90km/h dah 8.3L/100km ...if 120km/h on highway garenti > 10L

i think a lot 1.6 and 2.0 cars can make it below 8L/100 km at 120km/h

Proton oledi ammend to 7.8l/100km.0 to 100 is 11.3sec

Nice looking

the best is EHPS

And that figure come from a 1.5tonne MPV with CVT. What will the figure would be if it's from a 1.2 tonne sedan or hatchback with Manual gearbox

Heard Proton going to make CFE variant with more power

Proton bashers sure cakap 'keep dreaming dude..'

Ford Galaxy 1.6 diesel, 115 hp (huge 7 seater MPV, comfortable and well spec'ed, 1.7 ton and 4.82m long) I managed to average around 7-8L driving 160-180. And that car is wider, longer, heavier and taller than the Exora.

what proton means by global is that the car mean global safety standards
like 6 air bags...ABS + EBD...ESP...etc etc
if global specs thn its endless
but yeah..many ppl say if sold in germany thn it would be hard to compete cuz many cheaper cars there
but we'll have to see what they priced it when its sold overseas...not the price that we bought in malaysia cuz proton and perodua have to pay tax for the car as well...just not as much as other brand of cars

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Added on December 18, 2011, 12:11 amthe only way to do that is to change the turbo chargers...the campro is unchanged
they will just change the soft turbo to a REAL turbo....but need time to research for the reliability of those true turbo that increase HP
didn't they last time acquire a few super charger...said for satria neo..wonder where did that go

This post has been edited by MR_alien: Dec 18 2011, 12:11 AM

Smart lar u...compare diesel car with petrol car....

Well.. bashers nowadays have next to no point to bash Proton cars They also started to compare Proton make with conti. No more Japanese or Korean I hope that Proton can do more improvement at a fast pace. They have the momentum already but need to be fast

In Germany they will have to pay 19% tax afaik, and it is similar to other countries as well. How high is the tax for P1 and P2 here? Some more when the car is imported to Europe rather than produced there then shipping costs will be high too (the Japanese have a problem with this and with the high yen, that's why Daihatsu will cease operations at least in Germany. Japan built cars are just too expensive, especially since Daihatsu is a budget oriented brand).

Why would P1 make a car with high safety standards just for the Malaysian market? Toyota can sell any ... they want at high prices, and people will still buy them, despite a total disregard towards safety. Unless they want to advertise the car with a high safety standard to go against the Fiesta, Forte, ... at a lower price? Could be interesting, but I'm not sure they would want to start a safety race, because many of their other cars are exactly safe.

Furthermore if you consider the spec that for example the Fiesta has it is actually rather affordable. 82k for a car that is as well equipped as the Fiesta sedan, with that engine? You pay a similar amount in Germany (not counting any discounts...), but without DSG. So including DSG which is usually a maybe 2000 Euro option minus the discount you get you'll to a similar price.

I believe the Malaysian government sets a price at which the car can be sold, but the spec is open to the importer. So lets say a small car, size of a Saga or perhaps Persona must be significantly more expensive than the P1/P2 alternative... so instead of 40-60k, it will be 80k. However, they may not earn a lot in taxes. As I mentioned such a Fiesta in Germany would, if it were available (no sedan available, no DSG available) also be somewhere around 80k. We know that the tax is 19%, so it might be safe to assume that the car will be taxed somewhere in that region too (although Ford might make a nice profit on the options in Europe).

The reason why cars are cheaper in Europe is because you can buy them naked. No aircon, no powered windows, no anything (it's not _that_ bad anymore, but I can easily double or triple the price of many cars just by choosing a bigger engine and ticking all the options, especially if it is a German car (the French, Koreans and sometimes Japanese have fewer boxes to tick...)). Usually the safety standard is still rather high, even the Dacia has a minimum of 2 airbags, and that's very much the low end. A Daihatsu Sirion (MyVi) comes with a minimum of 4 airbags, my almost base spec Citroen Xsara from 2002 had 6.
A VW here is usually pretty much top of the line, except for a few options (heated seats or a sat nav for which there are probably no Malaysian maps) that won't make sense, and without having tried it I think it should be around the same price as what you would pay for a similar car in Germany. Citroens may be a bit different, they seem to cost more than they would in Germany (again, I haven't checked, but I don't remember them having many optional options... most things are included). As if the government tests the car, says... mh, this is intended for rich people, high end car, feels expensive, so we'll have to price it very high, regardless of the actual price.

@mutt: Not really trying to bash P1, I quite like their newer efforts, might even buy one if I didn't have a car already. Also, when they start competing with contis that's a good sign, not?

@Matrix: Admittedly it's not very fair to compare the Proton to a diesel. The VW Touran 1.4 TSI with 140 hp is supposed to be around 7-8L (officially 6.8, but that's a bit optimistic, as always), so comparable to the Exora (it's a bit smaller, between Alza and Exora). Not bad.

Btw., in Europe the Japanese sell different cars. Something like the Avanza wouldn't stand a chance there, it would be unsellable. No Corolla, no Vios, no Avanza, no Camry, no Wish, ... only the Hilux, Prius (Rush available as a Daihatsu).

This post has been edited by kadajawi: Dec 18 2011, 12:58 AM

@kadajawi
until now proton only said that its their 1st global car
they never said anything abt germany or any specific country
only said its a global car
usually global car mean its equipped with safety equipment that meet international standard
everything else are assumed by us...proton never said anything
i think proton is just to there to meet the international standard so that other ppl would be more confident buying them
proton mostly sells in australia and egypt...especially in egypt which saga is a good seller there
everything else have to wait proton to announced or wait till they act

ps: even in malaysian market...avanza cannot stand a chance as well..ppl buy it becuz its a toyota not becuz its a good car
avanza is worst than p1 and p2 car....avanza is actually a cut cost car aiming for low income family(apparently not very low income)

@kadajawi

that's a good sign indeed. that's why I said Proton need to have more improvement at a fast pace, to compete with the conti's. more bashes and critics are needed to give Proton more pressure to be a better company and produce good cars. I love Proton and supporting them but I hate when they make low quality car.

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Added on December 18, 2011, 2:33 amSeriously the excitement driving Exora CFE really makes me almost book the MPV already. But I have to wait until the Persona Replacement coming out first. Well, I am just a father for a 2 years old baby though. What a joke to get a mid-sized MPV..lol

This post has been edited by mutt: Dec 18 2011, 02:33 AM

Make more babies NOW and book an Exora!!!! I wanna test drive Exora very badly also...but again, my family small, no need for MPV....haha.

Due to the much improved torque, i'll daresay the Exora will have much better FC than old Campro CPS Exora during city drive as you won't need to burn so much fuel with start/stop situation. Let's just wait and see for feedback.

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Hope I get mine delivered before CNY

Seems good... I am an innova owner and honesly I see proton did quite well with this car... But I will wait for some ppl bought the car and run it for a year to give comment....
I am just bait affraid their turbo engine will have some reliability issue.

I see. I was just speculating... it'd be interesting if they intend to enter Europe... that means the car has to be good, otherwise it wouldn't stand a chance. Which would be good for us in Malaysia too, I guess. In Australia and China I think higher safety standards can boost sales, Malaysia maybe, Singapore too.

But for us alone Proton doesn't have to improve the safety of their cars, just look at Toyota, they don't have to either.

good sharing!

no wonder those engineers in germany are driving cheap toyotas only, they are not patriotic

lol. I don't think people are that patriotic in Germany. Some yes, but not all. If a foreign car is better, why not buy it? For many years we've only bought French cars. Affordable and decent As all cars are taxed the same the manufacturers have to compete, which also helps them as they have to develop competitive products. P1 for a long time didn't have to, only since P2 came up.

Btw., Toyotas are not that cheap. Korean cars are cheap, French ones are relatively cheap, Romanian are very cheap (Dacia), ... Toyota is rather expensive, as is VW. And then of course the premium brands like Volvo, BMW, Mercedes, Audi, ...

Image plays a somewhat big role... Toyota has worked hard to get the image that they are reliable, though IMHO they might not deserve it anymore. Still good, but not class leading. The Germans have suffered IIRC when the models during the late 90s early 00s weren't very reliable anymore, but of course they still have a good image. The hatchback segment is called Golf-Klasse for a reason, the resale value the Golf achieves is mind boggling, and while the Golf is good (I learned driving in a Mk IV, drove a Mk V) I think it's not deserved.
On the other end of the spectrum Korean and French (worse yet Italian) cars have the image to be unreliable, which means they had to offer a very good price. The Koreans AFAIK have managed to shake that off a bit, Kia is offering 7 (!) years warranty. Proton will have to do the same I'm afraid, should they attempt to enter that market. French and Italian cars have improved a lot, and I didn't think ours were particularly unreliable (there are things where I wonder what were they thinking, like placing several important wires under the driver seat, exposed, in a way that they easily get lose, thus for example deactivating the airbag. Really?!?)

Btw., P2 should bring in the Aygo as a Viva replacement. It's meant to be cheap to produce, easy to maintain, it's relatively solid/safe and reliable. Designed by Toyota and PSA.