I always wondered why the Avanza was sold as a Toyota and not as a Perodua... clearly it is a cheap product along the lines of a Rusa. The Alza however was meant for the Japanese market too, so it is a rather up market car, compared to the Avanza (why isn't the Avanza available in Japan or Europe? Because it isn't good enough.)

Do Perodua even have enough engineers? They have a few designers (which are actually rather decent), but developing a new car? I'd rather see them making the Verso... still not quite as big as the Exora, but also a relatively modern car, with stronger engines (still, can't compete with the Exora, but better than the Alza). Has Perodua ever done something on their own, except for some minor design changes?

When the Alza was intoduced to the malaysian market, the Avanza is already a very very old product. Sales is diminishing and gets hit harder when Nissan launched the Grand Livina. Toyota knew they couldn't and won't get the new Avanza replaced in time since they need to refresh the big three IMVs first since these are more important (Innova, Hilux & Fortuner) and therefore they greenlit Perodua to assemble it here.

Furthermore, the Alza was introduced when the general MPV (below RM 100k) frenzy hits the market with the launch of Grand Livina, Exora CPS and also the refreshed Chery Eastar. Not to mention that time Naza was busy dumping off the Citra at dirt cheap price.

This post has been edited by V12Kompressor: Dec 18 2011, 11:23 PM

for a moment, i thought CFE means carbon fiber engine.

But why didn't they release the Avanza as a Perodua in the first place? Apart from them having to assemble it here in that case... The Alza is the better product, at a lower price.

I also wonder why brands like Renault and Citroen gave up the Malaysian market... the 7 seater Kangoo could easily compete with the Avanza (except for the badge), though it was more expensive back then. IIRC the Kangoo was around 70k, i.e. Alza and Exora money. The new versions of these models (almost every continental manufacturer has a Kangoo-like car... Ford, Opel, Renault, Citroen, Peugeot, Fiat, VW, for a while Mercedes, and Toyota had the more consumer oriented Sienta) have all been vastly improved and grew in size. As they are perceived as panel vans by the population they might not get taxed as high as a continental 7 seater van.

they can't...engine and GB are from toyota or daihatsu
those 2 company won't provide those 2 things for perodua to produce a new model
becuz it competes with their own model
this is the bad thing being under other ppl's company

I don't know about Toyota's control of Perodua and how Toyota is making money from Myvi via Daihatsu joint venture but an improved version of the Alza can be done.

good job Proton

how improved can it be?
turbocharged CVVT?...dn't think so...that would beat any toyota MPV already
CVT GB? - dn't think so either...none of toyota model ever comes with CVT..i mean local ones
better handling? - toyota never cares abt handling AT ALL..even if they did...can't beat lotus
low price? - how is toyota going to survive
no matter how...an "improved" alza is not going to happen

This post has been edited by MR_alien: Dec 18 2011, 11:45 PM

Toyota owns daihatsu, daihatsu owns 35% of perodua. To them, perodua is merely the means to sell their cars here without the exorbitant taxes.

What perodua sells is entirely on the whim of toyota.

One solid reason is before the Myvi exist, Perodua is supposedly only to assemble hatchbacks (Kelisa, Kenari, Kancil) only.

Another reason is due to the Innova has moved upmarket and there is a need to address the Unser owners and potential MPV buyers who couldn't afford an Innova, hence Toyota need a new lower cost MPV to retain back these old Unser customers. Back then on 2003, there are hardly any brand in Malaysian market which sells MPV.

The Citroen Berlingo, Peugeot Partner and Renault Kangoo wasn't a great hit due to the Malaysian market which are generally a bunch of skeptics towards French vehicles.

This post has been edited by V12Kompressor: Dec 18 2011, 11:49 PM

Well, since most of you saying that is not going to happen than let it be, so Perodua will not make an improved version of the Alza and they are doom to the same boring model till the end of their lives.

Plus i did mention i am guessing/ only that Perodua may come out with a model to compete with the Exora. So my guess is wrong and do i get a banned from this?

Dont be so serious,we are all just sharing info, not criticizing you.

This post has been edited by dares: Dec 18 2011, 11:56 PM

No, you wont be banned because of this, lol. These are merely a conversation of changing and sharing opinion. A little debate is healthy. No need to feel bad about it.

I am no Toyota insider nor Perodua employee. I am just a teenager enjoying his final 22nd year. The reason I could cook up all these cock and bull stories is due to my exposure to the automotive world since 10 years ago. What I'm saying is all based from experience and also a bit of data analysis. I dare not say my theories here are 100% true, but I dare to say that it is 100% making sense.

alza is considerably new in the market. I dont think there will be a REAL improved version besides facelifting. They dont need to do so because alza will continue selling like a hot cakes. P2 will always be seen as Toyota. Let the wannabes keep dreaming with their so called Toyota in disguise

I wish there was a commenting feature though... there are plenty of MPVs the size of an Exora with 1.6L engines... Ford Galaxy (4.8m) is available as a 1.6 with 160 hp and a 1.6 diesel with 115 hp (driven that one, enough power already for such a big car... it's not a sports car after all). The Ford S-Max has the same 1.6L engine. The VW Sharan/Seat Alhambra (4.85m) has a 1.4 with 150 hp. Opel Zafira (4.66m) has a 1.4 with 120 or 140 hp (and a 1.8 with 115... lol).
So Proton joins a nice group of cars with the Exora, though 138 hp from a 1.6 is not as extreme as what some others do.

For the second time, please stop making a comparison with the models you get at Germany.

+1

we're talking about Malaysia market which all the models mentioned are not selling here except the zafira/nabira (i occasionally drive this car).

they are and they won't
they won't becuz there will still be ppll buying alza for the sack of it's a toyota...typical
they are becuz they're not facelifting it with anything brand new....only the design different only...everything else will always be the same
at least proton have a policy of renewing a model every 5 years and 1-2 times facelifting it within that period(with new equipment and techs)

Feels like i am getting a banned just from making a guess with all the nice healthy debate going on here. So as long i getting some info, i'm always serious about it.

Thanks for the info, good to know.

That still leaves VW with the admittedly booooring looking Caddy (they might put in that lovely 1.4 TSI...?) and Skoda with the Roomster (it was on Top Gear today), they would have to fit 2 more seats though. Both are from VW so perhaps people trust them more (or is VW not interested in offering a "cheap" vehicle to avoid hurting their premium image? What about Skoda Roomster... powered by VW or something like that?).

Sadly I'm not sure the Bold will help Proton... the image is too damaged, and Perodua really seems to profit from being attached to Toyota. Plus Toyota seem to be rather lazy... as long as they can they will milk the cow offering sub-par vehicles at high prices, just like the 1 airbag Avanza (which in less than 2 weeks, despite not being available yet, will be illegal to sell?!). Maybe one day it will bite back... I hope so. Kia is offering the Forte for a bit more than Vios money with 6 airbags, the next Proton might have 6 airbags (and I doubt it will be more than 80k), the Fiesta sedan has 6 and is competitively priced, ... yet the Vios has 2. That may hurt Toyota. Probably not though, resale value is more important than their own life...

@V12Kompressor: The reviewer mentioned the world wide market, and there such cars are available. I also think it is nice that Proton is actually trying to compete with those cars in some areas. (Isn't the S-Max available here? 2x the price of the Exora though...). Didn't try to offend anyone. Sorry guys.

This post has been edited by kadajawi: Dec 19 2011, 12:24 AM