yeap. Because the car is higher so there is more space for leg. Kenari also like that

turbocharged,it is under asian speed fest n festival,it is in 2009. Prtn won the podium,both cars,both neos. The circuit in sepang,thai n indonesia. But dunno why they stop the competion afterwards,conspiracy maybe coz if u look at the competitors, mainly them are manufactured in thai n indo. Just plain thought.

The same price coz some manufacturers enjoying higher profit due to tax lifting. Why need to reduce price when people still thinking 300% tax n they can enjoy higher profit since people still buying it at the same sales figure from year to year. Some, reducing profit margin to cater market coz the brand itself is not strong in malaysia market.

Just refer to customs website n maa n miti for futher info. Malas nak tulis coz too long to explain coz too much too cover. Just read from the source shall we. I also has sonata ap paperwork,cannot publish,nanti my friend kena coz it pnc. Nanti depa tau kat mana paperwork tuh coz ada mcm2 data. Safely to say that their traders profit is a whooping rm 70k.

The new nap is to abide wto rules n regulations,not afta which already fully abide since 2010, for cars already since 2009. So,according to nap, cbu 30% n 10% ckd non asean cept will be abolish, so,asean japanese n koreans cars, peroduamthey will have to prepared to face the european wave starting this year, n i believe prtn already prepared with p321a,p322a n gsc :-)

so ,same la, end of the day, consumer is still loser. T_T

in the business world, consumer always lose wad.

just like wan tan mee, the seller might profit Rm2 per plate out of the RM 4.50 he charged. The only "consolation prize" we get is, we walked out with a full stomach.

full stomach is a must.

full stomach, and will come back again with a smile= win

full stomach, and will come back again but not stop cursing = lose

What model is p322a??

Ok, so... I have checked before that a RM 80k Fiesta is worth almost 20k Euro in Germany... due to all the kit it comes with (it's 18k, but that is for the 1.6 as a manual... no PowerShift/DSG in Germany), and usually that's a 1-2k option. In this trim the German one also has headlights and wipers that turn on and off automatically.

Let me check the Yaris. It's a bit harder to compare since the specs are very different, and it is the latest Yaris (Vitz), not yet launched in Malaysia. The only auto box the Yaris gets is a CVT one, so I opt for the manual 6 speed and try to compare it with the entry level Vios. Biggest engine you can get is a 1.33 (or 1.4 diesel). The 1.33 outputs 99 hp, so it is a bit weaker than the 1.5L unit, but gets a better gearbox. Also the Yaris in base spec gets: 7 airbags, electronic stability control, traction control, ABS (well, they don't even bother to mention it, but it would be very weird to have ESC and TC but no ABS and BA) and 3 point seatbelts everywhere. The cool spec (necessary to get the option to go for the "big" engine) adds aircon and 15"... steel rims .

It costs 15100 Euro.

If you want the car with the CVT gearbox you will have to upgrade to "Life", which will also give you rearview camera (for such a small car...), rpm meter (uuuhm... really?), soft touch instead of hard plastic everywhere, buttons on the steering wheel, leather steering wheel and gearknob, 6 speakers and a 6.1" screen multimedia thing.

With the manual gearbox it costs 15850 Euro, 17070 Euro with the CVT gearbox. Actually that is a pretty decent deal. Base price is around 11000 btw., for entry level everything, it won't even have aircon then (but 7 airbags and ESC/TC).

One has to note that both are hatchbacks, the sedans aren't sold. If they were, it would probably cost another 1000 or so more.

More or less the price in Germany and Malaysia match (a bit cheaper in Germany, and of course they should earn more (but they also have to pay off their cars faster than Malaysians with their super long hire loans)). However the Toyota Yaris is a few k cheaper and much better equipped than the Vios, especially in terms of safety. Euro spec and Malay spec Fiesta are quite similar, although I'd say the Malaysian spec is better.

The exchange rate is 1:4 today.

This post has been edited by kadajawi: Jan 12 2012, 09:35 PM

thats why its hard to compare with other countries coz sometimes, even they assembly it in diff country for diff market. Same as beemer, if u check around the world, the price is not the same, the spec also sometimes not the same. Just get the info on docket price@manufacturer price from customs,it help u to figure out. Why not visit www.funtastickodesign.wordpress.com, the data is available to download from there :-).

P322a, neo 4 doors :-), just joking,its actually hatchback version for p321a, with a little sporty look, n cfe engine will get the manual trans, 6 speed getrag. If everything run according to plan, will be introduce in 2013, just wait for the spyshots, i think will be available in march, if only someone manage to spot the car, he..he..

P321a is not the best car in the segment, but it is capable. soft plastic sir,if u mind....:-)

owh, that explains the Astra Turbo that always tag along with the P3221 mules.

It does? Didn't notice...

@mat79: Cause I didn't know that site. Is it yours? Unfortunately I will have to ask google translate to read it...

the specs of car is based on the customer... so end of the day most of the Brands here still think that Malaysian are dumb arse that care less about their owned safety. And those company handling local market one also care less about their customer they just want money. The Prius C got 7 Airbag why? Becoz tat car was for the Japan market.... if it were made for this market i guess u will be happy if it has 2 airbag.

Hi, Mat

Are you works from proton company and thier send you to LYN market and do research?

Thanks, I just wondering to know about your background

Cause you knew the proton news as much more.

ha..ha..not working with them. But have to admit knowing some important people inside which been my friends n insiders.

Yup,there are problems n weakness here n there, but they are trying their best effort right now. U know la, masalah birokrasi, uncapable cronies n etc. Rnd team actually do their best from the start, but being hampered by others after that. Thats why many of them actually sad with what happened, n people in malaysia blamming the rnd people, while they are doing really good job, name it design team, engineering team,hnt team n etc. But u know,they are not the one who make decission, selection of vendors n etc. They done their job, after that its up to others to continue it.

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Added on January 13, 2012, 10:26 amnot my blogs,but my friend's blog, n always sharing something there.

This post has been edited by mat79: Jan 13 2012, 10:26 AM

about all these taxes.. means if we bawak sendiri car from other country to malaysia, it'll be much cheaper, right? we won't need to pay same price of the vehicle sold here?

Mat 79, Thank for all explanations here. I have already booked EB after a couple of test drives, just waiting for the delivery. I really feel for the ground staffs of Proton, although the Top Management would have screwed up . I am happy to support Proton one more time and hope this time they will really stand up.

I always belive in Malaysia if without influences from politics, most of the GLCs can perform much better then now.

We should be still the same league with S. Korea, HK & Singapore as in 1980s. But now we are in the same league with Indonesia, Thailand and Vietnam. Hopefully next time not Laos, Myanmar and Phlipine.

i think Vietnam, Thailand and Indonesia are climbing over our head loh....

heard from a Indonesian..... why Malaysia here development so slow? They have been developing rapidly in this few years time.

Vietnam.... those vietnam worker i used to hired in my factory.... went back to vietnam told me that they can get better paid and work in Vietnam than in Malaysia.

Today went to the shop... ask my dealer.... she say silver might get after CNY.... so sad .....

This post has been edited by diablos: Jan 13 2012, 10:07 PM

i change to get elegant brown alr..

I was offered too.... but my wife like silver... so I got no choice but to wait...