Any car can go up genting, just a matter how slow you are willing to go, even risk engine overheat.

MT exora cps i am not familiar, maybe someone can shed some light on it. Butnif you have not test drive the cfe + cvt, please takeit for a spin. It will be money well spent esp if you carry many people most of the time.

Tested BOLD Premium 2 weeks ago. I like it very much, but 12k more. Can only full loan 70k and no extra cash at hand,

Finally we managed to find time to test drive the Exora Bold last weekend. Can say I couldn't stop smiling (or was it grinning from ear to ear?) all the way from start to finish. The torque was simply superb. We were pleasantly surprised with the short driving experience that we had.

Bro, I know the turbo kick in at 2000rpm. How about the pickup below 2000rpm? let's say from 1000-1999rpm, is it same as normal cps or better in term of pickup?

Well since your budget is fixed, nothing can do about it

Like any other normal car.

the exora MT gear shift is super heavy and stiff. try it out..see whether u can get use to it before deciding

Exora Bold (~RM80k) is it equip with CFE+CVT g/box or only just for the Premium spec (~RM90K)??

So can I say it has worse pickup than cps at range 1000-1999rpm because of its slightly reduced cc (cps 1597cc and cfe 1561cc) and heavier kerb weight compared to cps

Say you're driving a normally-aspirated Exora CPS, would you consciously make an effort to keep the rpm below the 2000 mark while driving off when the lights turn to green?

I don't get your point actually. but to answer your question anyway, without the turbo spooling it would behave just like any other 1.6-litre nomarlly-aspirated engine.

A commenter in paultan said he pressed hard on accelerometer and the car didn't really moved fast until it reached 2000rpm. So I guessed the pickup was weak below 2000rpm.

Exora Bold alone already have CFE and CVT

The more expensive Exora prime shares the same driveterain, but with more luxurious interior (captain seats, individual DVD player, full leather upholstery)

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Added on January 10, 2012, 10:46 pmI can't comprehend why people love to full throttle when testing cars, especially cars equipped with CVT.

This post has been edited by V12Kompressor: Jan 10 2012, 10:46 PM

Called my sales man...... can get my car within next week coz the car start coming....weeeee............ did you guys really get rebates...? I ask my sales man he say no rebates for new model..... only free gift.....

I beg to differ, by theory it should be worse than a normal 1.6 NA car. Reason, the engine compression ratio is lower compare to NA version.Turbo= 8.9:1 compare to NA= 10:1 .

Thats the weakness of turbo, low end sux before the turbo start spooling.

how many seconds do u think your engine will remain below 2k ?

When it has CVT shouldn't it just raise the RPM above 2k whenever you try to accelerate hard?

VW Touran 1.4 TSI, 1.9 TDI and Ford Galaxy 1.6 TDCI had the same issue. No power before the turbo kicks in. But then it's nice

So, to compensate for the weaker low end pickup, manufacturers need to tune the engine so that turbo kicks in at lowest rpm possible. That way, the drivability is greatly increase. I see that VW, Peugeot and Ford can tune their turbo cars to kick in at <1600rpm

This post has been edited by A2Z2U: Jan 11 2012, 02:36 AM

erm,actually, cfe has more torque than cps from 1k-2k rpm, u can refer to torque graph. If u want to get optimum fuel efficiency, u shud drive below 2k rpm before the tubo unit kick in coz when it kicks, more fuel will be injected to perform complete combustion coz air ratio already diff(a lot of air coz forced induction), n fuel ratio need to balance it, so,it is known as air fuel ratio.

About feeling delay or not moving,it is due to cvt misconception by those who are not familiarize with cvt. If u get uncomfortable with cvt behavior,thats why sat button is created.

In cvt, rpm meter easily jump up n speedo is not following the rpm until it reach desire speed@designated rpm.

If u want to have feeling rpm n speedo move accordingly together, just set sat on.

To said cfe torque at rpm 1k-1999k rpm is low than cps unit,is totally wrong. 90% of torque for cps only available@3k rpm which is only 135nm@3k rpm,which cfe already reach nearly 160nm of torque as low as 1500 rpm, more than peak torque of cps 150nm at 4.5krpm.

So,hopefully this will clear the picture

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Added on January 11, 2012, 8:15 amcompression ratio is not only about performance,it is also about efficiency n also lower comp ratio allow the engine to accept low octane fuel.

Normally high performance na engine has high comp ratio,and its cause them only to accept premium@high octane fuel only. Thats why type r n swift sport only can accept minimum premium fuel as ron 97 in malaysia.

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Added on January 11, 2012, 8:17 amthats is also why cvvt existed in cfe,to cater low end torque from 1-2k rpm before tubo unit kick in.

This post has been edited by mat79: Jan 11 2012, 08:17 AM

Very well explained...

I was beginning to wonder when is anyone gonna bring up the vvt in the context of the campro cfe.

This post has been edited by dares: Jan 11 2012, 10:32 AM

one more thing,if u press the pedal more than 85% of throttle, full cvt mode will change to slow mode sat, which cause the rpm raise slowly to upper rev,not jump up like in cvt.

There are a lot of cvt tech that we need to learn on,not just wiki,it is full of tech, they way it works also diff than conv at.

Thats why nowadays, they opt to single clutch,dual clutch n cvt trans rather than conv torque converter at. But still some still using it since it is already well known n well verse.