how come johor branch got the brochure already? I went to proton 3s at glenmarie. The nearest center from coe

On topic please, so will i guess Perodua will come out something in return to match against the Exora Bold.

I always wondered how P2 got greenlit the Alza since it was in the same price range as Avanza.

But what about the local market? from Toyota's POV there was no need to bring in those models since there already was Avanza here. Even though it is sold under a different brand name, isn't it pitting their own product against each other?

But why didn't they release the Avanza as a Perodua in the first place? Apart from them having to assemble it here in that case... The Alza is the better product, at a lower price.

I also wonder why brands like Renault and Citroen gave up the Malaysian market... the 7 seater Kangoo could easily compete with the Avanza (except for the badge), though it was more expensive back then. IIRC the Kangoo was around 70k, i.e. Alza and Exora money. The new versions of these models (almost every continental manufacturer has a Kangoo-like car... Ford, Opel, Renault, Citroen, Peugeot, Fiat, VW, for a while Mercedes, and Toyota had the more consumer oriented Sienta) have all been vastly improved and grew in size. As they are perceived as panel vans by the population they might not get taxed as high as a continental 7 seater van.

Well, since most of you saying that is not going to happen than let it be, so Perodua will not make an improved version of the Alza and they are doom to the same boring model till the end of their lives.

Plus i did mention i am guessing/ only that Perodua may come out with a model to compete with the Exora. So my guess is wrong and do i get a banned from this?

I wish there was a commenting feature though... there are plenty of MPVs the size of an Exora with 1.6L engines... Ford Galaxy (4.8m) is available as a 1.6 with 160 hp and a 1.6 diesel with 115 hp (driven that one, enough power already for such a big car... it's not a sports car after all). The Ford S-Max has the same 1.6L engine. The VW Sharan/Seat Alhambra (4.85m) has a 1.4 with 150 hp. Opel Zafira (4.66m) has a 1.4 with 120 or 140 hp (and a 1.8 with 115... lol).
So Proton joins a nice group of cars with the Exora, though 138 hp from a 1.6 is not as extreme as what some others do.

This one my previous 1991 saga aeroback also got lah brader 

can anybody recommend me the best place to get exora bold premium?
best place as in offering the best, biggest discount and super duper highest trade in for an old junk.
thanks.

PS: within klang valley lah of course. kindly PM me instead of posting here.

I thought Germany car road tax based on horse power and not engine cc?
I don't know 10 years ago I worked in Germany and I was told by local engineer.

i think can engage manual shift(if there is any) to actually try the acceleration

that is one advantage of cvt where no other gearbox has that, its like overboost mode.

to get best 0-100 timing is not to engage D, but engage L mode.

L mode is actually sport drive@ sometimes referring to low gearing, L in cvt is not the same as L in at. In mitsu cvt, some use L,some use S letter, n in previous mini cooper n bmw, they used SD to replace L.

In L mode, the engine will rev up 20% higher that D mode, so u will achieve high torque earlier than than  D mode, example in D, u rev at 1700 rpm, then slot L, with the same throttle applied, the rev will climb to 2040 rpm which is where 205nm of torque already available. If in the mode,@ 1700rpm, the torque is around 150-160nm if i not mistaken.

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Added on December 22, 2011, 1:48 ami mentioned its like overboost, not really overboost, it is based on gbox, not engine. Others that has overboost function like mini cooper s, but it is on the engine, overboost the turbine, so that u get higher torque than standard engine offering but temporarily.
But the objective is nearly the same, to reach higher torque as earlier than normal drive mode, only that, in cvt, it doesnt increase the figure output, but u get to max torque earlier than normal drive.
Hope u understand that, but remember, engaging L will incurr higher fc than normal D mode, of course, u need to trade off extra power with fc :-). The best thing, it is not temporarily like mini overboost function.

yup,it doesnt alter the torque curve, but it does increase the rpm due to not Shorter, but lower ratio. U can achieve its faster, i mean the time to achieve is faster by the same throttle input. I refer to prtn@punch cvt, n the old one was used in mini n bmw when it was still under zf. The characteristic is like that, u can check official documentations from zf@mini cooper.
Cvt vt2 in flx n vt3 in exora bold cfe is the upgrade cvt from cvt vt1f which sharing the same system n characteristic but plus enhancement on pwr n torque output n also reliability.

About old honda city cvt, u can search from honda since it is honda made the cvt, not punch@zf, n we are talking bout cvt in bold.

I said that u can achieve better timing in 0-100kmh, not the top speed. At which hp n torque by rpm u can achieve 100kmh? Is it 5750 rpm?
Actually no need pedal to metal, just  floor at 4k rpm, enough coz this is cvt, not manual or at that u need to pedal to metal reaching the peak hp before shifting to the next gear.

By the way, the peak hp for cfe is @5k rpm, n if u rev beyond it, u r overrevving it. I think @5k rpm already give u around 185kmh+-, no need to speed more than that on the road i believe

If u find it hard to find the document for vt1f@vt2@vt3 , u can go to other blog in the internet where they already provide the document n discuss it.

I just call it LIKE over boost coz it give u the boost than D mode@more pickup. Like i said, try out urself. Applied the same throttle input in D mode, switch to L.  if u have flx, try this out, maintain the rev at 3.5k rpm, switch to L, it will jump nearly 4k rpm which the peak torque already available, but with the same throttle input.

It actually stated in cvt vt1f documentation about what i explained. And the figure 20% is from the document. Happy browsing other blog n reading the document.

Anyway, sharing some info on punch@prtn cvt coz i believe not many bother to search for it, not for argument.

If u read what i said earlier, i just call it overboost (not the real term, but just used to word to describe it) coz it boosted the power(not changing the torque or powerband), it is not really overboost, or maybe just call it sport drive, are u agree with that term?if not, then shud blame bmw n mini coz calling it sport drive.

N never mention it altering any torque curve or adding any torque to the original output. I just mention, when u floor 1700rpm in D mode, when u shift to L, it will increase the rev to 2k rpm, this is for explaination purpose only on 20% increase of rev.

They r those on flx already try out going up to genting.

If cannot find it, just go to www.funtastickodesign.wordpress.com, look for older post coz alreadyin discussion few weeks back, i think.

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Added on December 22, 2011, 4:32 amn if i not mistaken, according to 30++ page explanation on vt1f, on the blog only a simple one, i have a complete one, if in L mode already reached it peak, it will enter the overdrive mode automatically(so, u still can gain same top speed in D mode).

There are many things in zf@punch based cvt that are really interesting to know such it only operate in full cvt mode if throttle input not more than 85%, if more, it will turn to slow sat mode, meaning that, if u pedal to metal, it is not in full cvt mode anymore,it is called slow sat mode.

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Added on December 22, 2011, 4:37 amah, forget to mention, lancer only has L@S.
City cvt, not really interest me to read bout it cause they actually already discard it in new city(not really new), even jazz in malaysia.

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Added on December 22, 2011, 4:40 amialways forgot to mentioned,i already shift to L when driving exora bold cfe@ 120kmh, n already driving it from 0-160kmh in L mode, but the traffic got away n it was raining during that.

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Added on December 22, 2011, 4:50 amand one more thing, in sat mode when in D, u also can select L while in sat, and its still 6 simulated gears, but each gear will be also 20% higher rev than sat in D mode.

R u confius with L in cvt with the one in AT??? coz actually, even in L mode, 100kmh is just around 2.5 -2.7k rpm only,but in D mode, it is lower than that.

Recent in FLX everyday can see the CVT problem on replacement, if warranty over.. I don't think this car can drive for longer period.

Because proton since like every year release new technology on engine & Gbox.

BTW we still dunno when the car is stable on this time.
If buy early then like customer, try and error for feelback, like a white mouse

cant wait for them to make this one

Ha ha you think the Exora is local made and support this, just go a head, even you can afford imported car,
Then your life still stuck in Malaysia.

After fews year you don't completed the Exora is still perfect to suits your style for driving in 80k?

Do you think at 80k for buying local made is izit not overprice?

If less than 60k for mpv local made that's everyone still affordable.

If you think the Kia Rando is the best just go and buy.

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Added on December 23, 2011, 3:19 pmI'll only said if proton nobody to gave comments and won't improved as much.

Maybe you miss understanding