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post Dec 9 2011, 06:31 PM, updated 13y ago

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more here
http://mymil.forums2u.com/t554p435-lima-20...dan-pemerhatian

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Malaysian's Smokey Bandit

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why black smoke???

no service kah...

or why use a black smoke... no other color??
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QUOTE(99FoxDemon @ Dec 9 2011, 06:34 PM)
why black smoke???

no service kah...

or why use a black smoke... no other color??
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kan dah kata nak replace migs and it expensive.
btw the name is smokey bandits.
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a sad story

http://news.yahoo.com/remains-274-us-troop...-081234306.html

The US Air Force dumped the cremated, partial remains of at least 274 troops in a landfill before halting the secretive practice in 2008, the Washington Post reported Thursday.
The procedure was never formally authorized or disclosed to senior Pentagon officials, who conducted a review of the cremation policies of Dover Air Base -- the main point of entry for US war dead -- in 2008, the Post said.
Nor was the dumping ever disclosed to the families of the fallen troops, who had authorized the military to dispose of the remains in a respectful and dignified manner, the Post said, citing Air Force officials.
The newspaper quoted officials as saying that a precise count of the remains disposed of at a Virginia landfill would require searching through the records of 6,300 troops whose remains have passed through Dover since 2001.
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QUOTE(99FoxDemon @ Dec 9 2011, 07:34 PM)
why black smoke???

no service kah...

or why use a black smoke... no other color??
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for the show...
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lol Puspakom approved.. biggrin.gif
btw, I wish I could be there at LIMA
I've always wanted to go there watch the show... sad.gif
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QUOTE(99FoxDemon @ Dec 9 2011, 06:34 PM)
why black smoke???

no service kah...

or why use a black smoke... no other color??
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they purposely modified the fuel mixture of the jet so the engine will create a lot of smoke,
it is just for show, that's why they are known as Smokey Bandit during show but Taufan Ganas during normal patrol or mission.

Taufan Ganas Check! flex.gif

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the smell of the engine jet fuel when burnout is gooding mang~ brows.gif


ps: Reporting in to the new thread!

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PUSPAKOM ?
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QUOTE(HangPC2 @ Dec 9 2011, 08:08 PM)
PUSPAKOM ?
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QUOTE(atreyuangel @ Dec 9 2011, 07:43 PM)
they purposely modified the fuel mixture of the jet so the engine will create a lot of smoke,
it is just for show, that's why they are known as Smokey Bandit during show but Taufan Ganas during normal patrol or mission.

Taufan Ganas Check!  flex.gif

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the smell of the engine jet fuel when burnout is gooding mang~  brows.gif
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macam miggies guna minyak diesel kot. laugh.gif
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QUOTE(ayanami_tard @ Dec 9 2011, 06:37 PM)
a sad story

http://news.yahoo.com/remains-274-us-troop...-081234306.html

The US Air Force dumped the cremated, partial remains of at least 274 troops in a landfill before halting the secretive practice in 2008, the Washington Post reported Thursday.
The procedure was never formally authorized or disclosed to senior Pentagon officials, who conducted a review of the cremation policies of Dover Air Base -- the main point of entry for US war dead -- in 2008, the Post said.
Nor was the dumping ever disclosed to the families of the fallen troops, who had authorized the military to dispose of the remains in a respectful and dignified manner, the Post said, citing Air Force officials.
The newspaper quoted officials as saying that a precise count of the remains disposed of at a Virginia landfill would require searching through the records of 6,300 troops whose remains have passed through Dover since 2001.
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give a whole new meaning to the saying...HABIS MADU SEPAH DI BUANG... gettin dump on a landfill...dang... doh.gif
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Syarikat Tempatan Bakal Hasilkan Senjata TLDM

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LANGKAWI - Syarikat pertahanan dan keselamatan dunia, BAE Systems memperkenalkan program pembangunan vendor yang akan membolehkan lebih banyak pengeluar tempatan terlibat dalam pembuatan senjata untuk kegunaan Tentera Laut Diraja Malaysia (TLDM).

Timbalan Ketua Pegawai Eksekutif Bofors Asia Sdn. Bhd. (Bofors Asia), Bengjt Bjurstrom berkata, menerusi program itu juga, BAE Systems akan memindahkan teknologi persenjataan Bofors dari Sweden kepada industri tempatan.

Menurutnya, perbincangan dengan pihak-pihak terbabit untuk melaksanakan program itu sedang berjalan lancar.

Jelas beliau, jika terlaksana, Malaysia bakal menjadi pengeluar dan pengedar senjata Bofors utama untuk rantau ini.

"Untuk program masa depan, Bofors Asia akan mengeluarkan senjata baru bagi kegunaan tentera laut yang banyak komponennya dihasilkan oleh pengeluar tempatan menerusi program pembangunan vendor," katanya pada sidang akhbar di Pusat Pameran Antarabangsa Mahsuri (MIEC), di sini hari ini.

Bjurstrom berkata, kini terdapat 10 syarikat tempatan terlibat dengan program dan projek Bofors Asia.

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QUOTE(yinchet @ Dec 9 2011, 08:39 PM)
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hahaha, in the mixture they let more air in so that the engine will produce more smoke!
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Added on December 9, 2011, 9:31 pmeh guys why no fighter station at subang base?


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QUOTE(ichi_24 @ Dec 9 2011, 09:27 PM)
ffffffffffuuuuuuuuuu very fast v7 already!!! congrats

Added on December 9, 2011, 9:31 pmeh guys why no fighter station at subang base?
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because Subang is the home of transport aeroplane and HQ base of operation!
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Dafuq? just like smoke diesel lori lah
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QUOTE(encore83 @ Dec 9 2011, 10:07 PM)
Dafuq? just like smoke diesel lori lah
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this is because the MIG are known as "Smokey Bandit"

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how old d ar d planes?
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QUOTE(atreyuangel @ Dec 9 2011, 09:36 PM)
because Subang is the home of transport aeroplane and HQ base of operation!
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but that does not make sense cause the military logistic base at kinrara doh.gif
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how old d ar d planes?
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Which one?
If MIG, they are procure in 90++, but the built are from the mid to late 80s

QUOTE(ichi_24 @ Dec 10 2011, 12:15 AM)
but that does not make sense cause the military logistic base at kinrara doh.gif
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Kinrara is a very old base!
+ Subang is very crowded that's why when Sg Besi move, some of teh AF div in subang will move as well!
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QUOTE(atreyuangel @ Dec 10 2011, 12:40 AM)
Which one?
If MIG, they are procure in 90++, but the built are from the mid to late 80s
Kinrara is a very old base!
+ Subang is very crowded that's why when Sg Besi move, some of teh AF div in subang will move as well!
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they should centralize their base properly

and yeah kinrara base tooo old go sell/leash land make revenue buy more plane
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QUOTE(ayanami_tard @ Dec 9 2011, 06:37 PM)
a sad story

http://news.yahoo.com/remains-274-us-troop...-081234306.html

The US Air Force dumped the cremated, partial remains of at least 274 troops in a landfill before halting the secretive practice in 2008, the Washington Post reported Thursday.
The procedure was never formally authorized or disclosed to senior Pentagon officials, who conducted a review of the cremation policies of Dover Air Base -- the main point of entry for US war dead -- in 2008, the Post said.
Nor was the dumping ever disclosed to the families of the fallen troops, who had authorized the military to dispose of the remains in a respectful and dignified manner, the Post said, citing Air Force officials.
The newspaper quoted officials as saying that a precise count of the remains disposed of at a Virginia landfill would require searching through the records of 6,300 troops whose remains have passed through Dover since 2001.
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hmm..should have let the families know first before they did anything

in a few cases,after an IED attack body parts are not found and sometimes some body parts are so messed up they had to amputate so they could have a open casket funeral

i was tasked to help clean an US army humvee that was hit by a 200kg IED.still gives me chills

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200kg IED? shocking.gif

the humvee is still road worthy? rclxub.gif
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nope

we had to cut it up into smaller pieces for transport
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CTRM EX-01 Prototype (Mini Seeker UAV)



The ‘ EX-01 ’ was the first prototype with maximum weight of 15 kg, wingspan of 8 feet and was flown as a Remotely Pilot Vehicle (RPV) with video camera payload but without autopilot system.

In 2004, CTRM collaborated with Ikramatic Systems to begin the development of a Malaysian autopilot system for the ‘ EX-01 ’ aircraft. The aircraft was redesigned and subsequently renamed as ‘ SR-01 ’ . A total of 8 aircrafts were built. The new aircraft had a maximum weight of 35kg, increased wingspan, and a powerful engine. It was the platform that successfully proved the viability of Ikramatic’s Autopilot System (IMRAN).



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QUOTE(CODDarkKnightDk @ Dec 9 2011, 08:52 PM)
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Ok can selam rclxms.gif

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QUOTE(atreyuangel @ Dec 9 2011, 09:24 PM)
hahaha, in the mixture they let more air in so that the engine will produce more smoke!
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Actually, the smoke that comes from the Mig-29's has nothing to do with the fuel mixture.

Nor was it produce from oil/diesel drums commonly carried by stunt/aerobatics aircraft.

It is actually a characteristic of the RD-33 engines that power the Migs. Although they were facing a lot of complains regarding this (due to pilots saying they are able to spot Mig-29's specifically because it leaves a trail of smoke), the engine designers don't look at it as a flaw. According to them, as long as the engine keeps the Migs flying, they don't care how much smoke it produces.

It seems they changed their minds with the latest Mig-35, though. No more smoke trails.
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QUOTE(heavyduty @ Dec 10 2011, 03:21 AM)
hmm..should have let the families know first before they did anything

in a few cases,after an IED attack body parts are not found and sometimes some body parts are so messed up they had to amputate so they could have a open casket funeral

i was tasked to help clean an US army humvee that was hit by a 200kg IED.still gives me chills
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i saw the amputation of one US serviceman in Afghan.surreal

kudos to you mate,at least you got the guts to do such thing

Added on December 10, 2011, 9:06 pmabout local contract for RMN,for me we are good in producing military-grade telecommunication device. and PSC-ND got expertise in producing naval guns.good deal

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QUOTE(yinchet @ Dec 9 2011, 06:32 PM)
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jz got back from Langkawi!had a great time there witnessing almost all the worlds 4th Gen fighters jz gives me a permanent smile which will probably last for weeks to come smile.gif

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LIMA 2013 to be held in March, Not December, says Zahid
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Saturday, 10 December 2011 15:44

LANGKAWI (Dec 10): The Langkawi International Maritime and Aerospace Exhibition (Lima) will hold its 12th edition in 2013 in March instead of December as in the past 11 occasions, Defence Minister Datuk Seri Dr Ahmad Zahid Hamidi said today.

He said Lima '13 will be held from March 26 to 30 in a break with tradition after taking into account a request from the exhibitors due to four main reasons.

Speaking at a media conference on the final day of Lima '11 at the Mahsuri International Exhibition Centre (MIEC) here, Dr Ahmad Zahid said many of the exhibitors felt that the event was too close to Christmas and that they wanted to go on holiday.

He also said that the Defence Services Asia (DSA) exhibition is held in Kuala Lumpur in April and the exhibitors felt that the gap in the period between April and December was too long.

"Also in December, we face the monsoon season, although this time our weather consultant did a good job.

"Furthermore, most of the companies would have exhausted their budgets by the end of the year. They will have more money to spend earlier in the year," he said.

Dr Ahmad Zahid also said that Malaysia's first professional aerobatics team, Krisakti, launched by Prime Minister Datuk Seri Najib Tun Razak on Tuesday here, has received requests for eight performances.

They are being asked to perform during the Armed Forces Day, Army Day, Navy Day and Air Force Day besides during the Formula One, MotoGP and National Day events, he said, adding that there was also a request from Brunei Darussalam.

Dr Ahmad Zahid said hotels in Langkawi extended good cooperation for Lima '11 by not offering costly packages compared to the previous editions of Lima, and added that the local people also responded well to the event.

Lima '11 was held over five days from Tuesday. It was divided into two sections, aerospace at the MIEC and maritime at Awana Porto Malai. - Bernama

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CTRM EX-01 Prototype (Mini Seeker UAV)
The ‘ EX-01 ’ was the first prototype with maximum weight of 15 kg, wingspan of 8 feet and was flown as a Remotely Pilot Vehicle (RPV) with video camera payload but without autopilot system.

In 2004, CTRM collaborated with Ikramatic Systems to begin the development of a Malaysian autopilot system for the ‘ EX-01 ’ aircraft. The aircraft was redesigned and subsequently renamed as ‘ SR-01 ’ . A total of 8 aircrafts were built. The new aircraft had a maximum weight of 35kg, increased wingspan, and a powerful engine. It was the platform that successfully proved the viability of Ikramatic’s Autopilot System (IMRAN).
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i feel better if we have UCAV, can sink those illegal indon immigrant of the shore
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future UCAV will be from CTRM called Yabhun, is now on final phase of development

can carry up to 2 AGM.
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future UCAV will be from CTRM called Yabhun, is now on final phase of development

can carry up to 2 AGM.
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oh goody! but the name sound so middle-east-ish

R&D with turkish mil comp?

anyway 2 agm is good enough, no need big one like those mq9 reaper
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oh goody! but the name sound so middle-east-ish

R&D with turkish mil comp?

anyway 2 agm is good enough, no need big one like those mq9 reaper
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Not Turkiye but Abu Dhabi.

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There is now 2 sukhoi on standby at every moment, 2 on daily patrol
while the remaining 16 in the hanger!
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one thing that our local UAV lack is military grade reconnaisance camera.(since it's a controlled stuff,just like gen 3 nvg)

for now we gota satisfied with consumer grade camera(the one like on cctv).but i heard we got collaboration with south korea rite? so i'm hoping for some samsung military camera

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can carry up to 2 AGM.
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we make it or did we collaborate to produce it

kinda confuse
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QUOTE(DeFaeco @ Dec 10 2011, 07:25 PM)
Actually, the smoke that comes from the Mig-29's has nothing to do with the fuel mixture.

Nor was it produce from oil/diesel drums commonly carried by stunt/aerobatics aircraft.

It is actually a characteristic of the RD-33 engines that power the Migs. Although they were facing a lot of complains regarding this (due to pilots saying they are able to spot Mig-29's specifically because it leaves a trail of smoke), the engine designers don't look at it as a flaw. According to them, as long as the engine keeps the Migs flying, they don't care how much smoke it produces.

It seems they changed their minds with the latest Mig-35, though. No more smoke trails.
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This is what I came across at 1st place

until 2 or 3 years ago, I was in Kuantan AFB visiting a friend, during one of the quarters 1 saw couple of MIG29 taking off going on patrol fully loaded, they make couple of pass at the air base and the smoke was not there
no trail what so ever hmm.gif
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You guys should go LIMA in langkawi la. There you can see the real thing. Damn EPIC man!!

Can see all the fighter jets and everything. Not like those see in youtube. Even stand on the place there can feel the whole ground like in battle
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You guys should go LIMA in langkawi la. There you can see the real thing. Damn EPIC man!!

Can see all the fighter jets and everything. Not like those see in youtube. Even stand on the place there can feel the whole ground like in battle
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Planned to go, but the exam schedule came out.. die!

well was there on 03, 05 and 2 or 3 times before that.
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Some photos to share of LIMA 2011 Trade Day Three and Pulic Day One, still post processing Public Day Two.

Cheers.

http://xtemujin.wordpress.com/2011/12/09/2...gkawi-malaysia/
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imma at LIMA last saturday...damn mang, so epic la...!!

Su-30mkm is purely a suprised...i never thot it will show all those acrobatic maneuver, but it did..giler best dier punye gaye macam nak stall... rclxm9.gif

f-16 engine is sumwhat loud, too loud...mig pun x bunyi kuat camtu

the usaf globemaster...with such a big plane, how the hell he can land in a very short distance, not even half-length of the runaway.. shakehead.gif

i didnt have chance to get inside the cockpit of typhoon parked near the hall entrance, damn crowded long que..

overall, its a wonderful experience for me, as this is my 1st time i went to LIMA..planing to go next 2013 flex.gif

btw, no deril from me, as imma watching the show with my own-eyes from start till the end (except for f-5e fly-by)..oni took pictar for static plane












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got the picture of the Pugachev Cobra?
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we can buy few of these too...cheaper and made by the same company as Scorpene(and high commonality too)

Designed for all types of navies – irrespective of whether they want to develop a submarine capacity or reinforce existing resources with a product of unrivaled quality in littoral operations – the Andrasta creates a new category in the panorama of conventional submarines.
Length: 50 m
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future UCAV will be from CTRM called Yabhun, is now on final phase of development

can carry up to 2 AGM.
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Greetings guys...

Just a bit of correction here...
ALUDRA-YABHON project is still a T.U.A.V, mid-entering M.A.L.E... icon_rolleyes.gif icon_rolleyes.gif icon_rolleyes.gif
UCAV is still far away...
& currently completion is only about 65%...

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Greetings guys...

Just a bit of correction here...
ALUDRA-YABHON project is still a T.U.A.V, mid-entering M.A.L.E...  icon_rolleyes.gif  icon_rolleyes.gif  icon_rolleyes.gif
UCAV is still far away...
& currently completion is only about 65%...

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the best of Su-30MKM in action;



my favourite is between 3.41-4.01

imma enjoying the show standing with crowd between aussie kc-30a & usaf orion


say hello to the pilot;

» Click to show Spoiler - click again to hide... «

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Greetings guys...

Just a bit of correction here...
ALUDRA-YABHON project is still a T.U.A.V, mid-entering M.A.L.E...  icon_rolleyes.gif  icon_rolleyes.gif  icon_rolleyes.gif
UCAV is still far away...
& currently completion is only about 65%...

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the best of Su-30MKM in action;



my favourite is between 3.41-4.01

imma enjoying the show standing with crowd between aussie kc-30a & usaf orion
say hello to the pilot;

» Click to show Spoiler - click again to hide... «

*from shahpaskal's blog*
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Haven't paid Kopitiam a visit in a while, and the first thread I saw is the Military Thread. Long time no see.
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this is because the MIG are known as "Smokey Bandit"

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This is what I came across at 1st place

until 2 or 3 years ago, I was in Kuantan AFB visiting a friend, during one of the quarters 1 saw couple of MIG29 taking off going on patrol fully loaded, they make couple of pass at the air base and the smoke was not there
no trail what so ever  hmm.gif
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inside an APC....

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so this is the estimated 1 Billion per ship.

the final figure is 400m++ right?
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not sure though there were no official news yet on the ship cost.
I think it still depend on the final call on the full package.
I tak kisah costnya paling penting taringnya cukup tajam. NSM, Aster 15/30. drool.gif
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Waa..new thread alredi....

I'll start wit a LoL!!

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UN funding less now? heheheee

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I just saw a military helicopter circling around section 13, shah alam. I can't tell if its a sikorsky sea stallion or a NH90....

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MMEA?
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got any pics of small arms from the event if featured ?

thanks
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Hmm, grey?
maybe super lynx or fennec?

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Hmm, grey?
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Nope. It's huge and it had a single vertical tail on the starboard side.

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Huge Helicopter?
Not a lot of those going around in Malaysia...

Probably one of those Mi-17 "Hip" choppers used by the Jabatan Bomba.
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Because the color is not a solid dark like those on a Olive Green Nuri,the altitude and 'cuaca mendung' may explain the color being seemingly grey.

That,or a Pave Low chopper secretly picking up SEAL team six,perhaps? biggrin.gif

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Huge,Grey....could it be?
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or the cougar?
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I only saw the back side of helicopter, it has a grey colour scheme not multicolor and it only have a single vertical tail. Could have been a cougar or NH-90.
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I only saw the back side of helicopter, it has a grey colour scheme not multicolor and it only have a single vertical tail. Could have been a cougar or NH-90.
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Airwolf kot....
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I only saw the back side of helicopter, it has a grey colour scheme not multicolor and it only have a single vertical tail. Could have been a cougar or NH-90.
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AW101??
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AW101??
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I think this picture matches to what I saw, compare to the cougar. hmm.gif

RMAF is testing the AW101 near subang airbase?...

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Japan has chosen the U.S.-made F-35 stealth jet as its next-generation mainstay fighter in a multibillion-dollar deal, reports said Dec. 13.


Sos cili padi

Should i be surprise?..
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I think this picture matches to what I saw, compare to the cougar.  hmm.gif

RMAF is testing the AW101 near subang airbase?...
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Maybe!
For gowind perhaps? brows.gif

QUOTE(kyon22 @ Dec 14 2011, 08:16 PM)
Sos cili padi

Should i be surprise?..
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I think this picture matches to what I saw, compare to the cougar.  hmm.gif

RMAF is testing the AW101 near subang airbase?...
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ok got new info from a friends, prolly what you saw is Weststar Heli,
maybe they are from Langkawi for LIMA!
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A former official from within the ranks of the Federal Bureau of Investigation is reporting that US and NATO forces have landed outside of Syria and are training militants to overthrow the regime of President Bashar al-Assad.
http://rt.com/usa/news/us-nato-syria-edmonds-709/

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let's get the party started,people!
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Maybe!
For gowind perhaps?  brows.gif
Nope, US need money, Japan can give or asked to give!
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That would be awesome..... thumbup.gif

QUOTE(atreyuangel @ Dec 14 2011, 08:45 PM)
ok got new info from a friends, prolly what you saw is Weststar Heli,
maybe they are from Langkawi for LIMA!
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It's not a weststar heli. Damn, I should have taken a picture... doh.gif


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...think it was something like this..S92 ,'in town' for a while now inc at LIMA.
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...think it was something like this..S92 ,'in town' for a while now inc at LIMA.
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The tail is similar to what I saw... hmm.gif


The color of this S92, matches the one I saw earlier...
the mysterious heli that i saw, could it be the S92?.. sweat.gif

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Found it just now. Confirm, it's a S92.
http://www.nst.com.my/local/general/copter...f-pilot-1.19033
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got sos hack3line? Erieye radar system?
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from SAAB official website : http://www.saabgroup.com/About-Saab/Newsro...ming-agreement/

8 December 2011, in News
Defence and security company Saab has signed an Industrial Cooperation teaming agreement with DRB-HICOM. The purpose is to offer the most competitive and attractive proposal to the Government of Malaysia regarding delivery of a high performance and cost efficient Airborne Early Warning and Control (AEW&C) system.

Saab serves the global market with world-leading solutions, products and services ranging from military defence to civil security. DRB-HICOM is a leading company in the Malaysian automotive and defence industry. The companies combined competencies and capabilities will ensure that the most cost efficient solution will be offered to the Government of Malaysia.

The agreement between Saab and DRB-HICOM will include offering of technology transfer, bringing employment and expertise to Malaysia.
Malaysian Defence Minister Dato’ Seri Ahmad Zahid Hamidi witnessed the signing of the teaming agreement at the Langkawi International Maritime and Aerospace Exhibition (LIMA) in Malaysia. The agreement was signed by Gunilla Fransson of Saab and DRB-HICOM’s Abdul Harith Abdullah.

"I'm delighted that we today are formalizing our long lasting relationship. With this teaming agreement, Saab is further reinforcing its long term commitment to the Malaysian defence and civil security market", says Gunilla Fransson, Senior Vice President and head of Saab business area Security and Defence Solutions.

Saab has a long history of supplying high performance, cost efficient defence systems to the Malaysian Armed Forces. Systems like navy and army radar systems, airborne self-protection systems for helicopters and fighters, naval command and control systems and army support weapons, including anti-tank weapons.

Saab's world class, long range Erieye AEW&C system have the capability of early detection of air and sea objects. The sophisticated Erieye radar can also detect and track small objects. This includes unmanned aerial vehicles and missiles, as well as wooden fishing vessels and jet skies. These capabilities give authorities full control of military and civilian airspace and movements at sea. The Erieye system further enhances the possibilities to monitor activities on the sea such as illegal fishery, illegal immigration, smuggling, piracy and also protection of oil and gas installations.

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malaysia baru nak berjinak belajar awacs..
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High possibility is the Sikorsky S92 returning after the LIMA 2011 in Langkawi.

http://www.flickr.com/photos/xtemujin/6497...157628342814359

A RSAF Chinook was in Langkawi to drop some stuff during LIMA.

HTH.
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QUOTE(xtemujin @ Dec 15 2011, 10:26 AM)
High possibility is the Sikorsky S92 returning after the LIMA 2011 in Langkawi.

http://www.flickr.com/photos/xtemujin/6497...157628342814359

A RSAF Chinook was in Langkawi to drop some stuff during LIMA.

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Only if we buy Gripen, this in old new.

If we buy Super Hornet, we will get E2D

If we buy Typhoon and we will get CN with EADS!

But Rafale I forgot!
hehehehe let me get back on Rafale deals
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well SAAB are ready to integrate Erieye to all existing RMAF air system if it's being selected

even JF-17 benefits from this....
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Malaysia menuju ke arah "Net-Centric warfare" whistling.gif
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but we dont have a vast ground base control and command centre, these AWACS are airborne warning systems, all together you need sea, land and air warning systems also space (satellites), working as a single body. hmm.gif
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sure,because it's an evolutionary process.with years of studying and the term "net centric warfare" have also changed due time

Malaysian Armed Forces have been through 3 evolution.from counter-insurgency based army in pre 1989,transition era of the nineties into primarily conventional forces in the turn of the millennia

we have been improving our communication up to the company level(with the introduction to new radio and limited introduction to malaysian-made sapura HF radio),stationary and self propelled radar(ranging from counter battery radar,surface radar to aerial detection radar),strategic C4I C&C and integrated joint triservice operation.

if there is one thing good of having a modest size army,is that such improvement can be introduced and standardized quickly(unlike armed force like PLA who even now struggled to standardize their assault rifle ammunition)

those AWACS thingy are for the fourth stage of MAF modernization;the expansion of the force and make the MAF to be truly high-tech army that can survive(and possibly) win a limited warfare with regional adversary

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Only if we buy Gripen, this in old new.

If we buy Super Hornet, we will get E2D

If we buy Typhoon and we will get CN with EADS!

But Rafale I forgot!
hehehehe let me get back on Rafale deals
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Rafale got AESA,
Taipun no got AESA!

Booo Typhoonn!
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typhoon if bae sell to us, got aesa or not?

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damn mang...meaning that rafale will be the alternate choice then..but i like typhoon sad.gif ...why bae, why?

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typhoon if bae sell to us, got aesa or not?

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damn mang...meaning that rafale will be the alternate choice then..but i like typhoon  sad.gif ...why bae, why?
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EF AESA radar is still on development expected to available in 2015.
worst still they still lack of funds to developed their TVC which is y they so eager to find buyer for their EF which is also adding potential international partner for additional funds. CFT is still underdevelopment as well.

If you read what Rafale is going to offer reads the Rafale brochure. it was the best offers among all the fighter.
These definitely open up the windows to developed our own version of BVR, AGM, JDAM.

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Every political decision maker knows that guaranteed operational sovereignty is a key parameter when selecting a combat aircraft. Unlike alternative sources of late generation combat aircraft, the Rafale team is fully amenable and sufficiently flexible to establish a wide range of synergetic partnerships with its customers: sharing in the industrial programme, ability to maintain and modify the airframe locally, transfer of software source codes, integration of new or indigenous weapons and systems, adaptation to local communications requirements (datalinks, for example) and more.

Operating the most modern fighter in the world is certainly the surest way to protect one’s airspace, but customers also deserve the best support package to ensure that their Rafale front-line squadrons remain fully operational in all conditions. This is why Dassault Aviation is firmly committed to providing support throughout the entire life of the aircraft.

The main step towards independence being the ability to carry out maintenance ‘in-country’, Rafale fleet management and support can be accomplished in situ. Extensive know-how and technology transfers, added to comprehensive training packages, will ensure that customers remain capable of operating their Rafales over the long term.

Dassault now offers its customers comprehensive, fine-tuned industrial packages of services encompassing training and simulation, spare parts supply, calibration of equipment, overhaul and repair of components, and documentation and technical assistance. This type of fixed-price programme for contractor logistic support packages also contributes to long-term cost management while providing guaranteed results.

Full scale in-country maintenance will be carried out by customers, whose national industry will benefit from technology transfers: French authorities have already approved source codes transfers, and even sensitive materials can be maintained locally. The electronic warfare suite can be programmed by customer personnel, and new weapons can be easily integrated.

Moreover, effective and easy-to-use mission preparation and restitution tools significantly contribute to national autonomy and, thanks to the associated electronic warfare programming system, existing threat libraries and jamming/decoying sequences can be updated and controlled by local specialists.
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QUOTE(atreyuangel @ Dec 15 2011, 03:42 PM)
Only if we buy Gripen, this in old new.

If we buy Super Hornet, we will get E2D

If we buy Typhoon and we will get CN with EADS!

But Rafale I forgot!
hehehehe let me get back on Rafale deals
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Kalau tak silap saya AEW&C is still open and not really tied up with the MRCA project. btw I'm still doubtful on we getting E2D. biggrin.gif
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Rafale got AESA,
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Booo Typhoonn!
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Tau fan Tau fan Tau fan Tau fan Tau fan Tau fan Tau fan Tau fan Tau fan Tau fan Tau fan Tau fan  wub.gif
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Go Go Gripen..now MIG29 replacement postponed, got time to develop JAS39 NG
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why got postponed? no money? hmm.gif
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EF AESA radar is still on development expected to available in 2015.
worst still they still lack of funds to developed their TVC which is y they so eager to find buyer for their EF which is also adding potential international partner for additional funds. CFT is still underdevelopment as well.

If you read what Rafale is going to offer reads the Rafale brochure. it was the best offers among all the fighter.
These definitely open up the windows to developed our own version of BVR, AGM, JDAM.
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hmm...seems legit..no wonder they promote kaw2 in LIMA recently...maybe they urgently need a foreign cash-cow to support their r&d..easy money i shud say...

the french's offer...can we trust them?

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Scrap the 4.5th gen fighter and welcome the future F-35. With the hefty price tag on both the EF Typhoon and Rafale, it makes more sense to purchase the inevitable future proof JSF.

With Japan moving in the F-35 group cycle, the economy of scale for the F-35 should be reduce significantly. We can place our order when money is made available in 2015. For the interim measure, trade those Migs for more Sukhois and split them into 2 squadrons.
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QUOTE(keown83 @ Dec 16 2011, 12:46 PM)
typhoon if bae sell to us, got aesa or not?

editted: ah, atreyuangel answered it liao

damn mang...meaning that rafale will be the alternate choice then..but i like typhoon  sad.gif ...why bae, why?
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Because BAE can give much more in long term and not to the ATM
but to the industry as well,
Gomen look at this

QUOTE(yinchet @ Dec 16 2011, 01:17 PM)
Kalau tak silap saya AEW&C is still open and not really tied up with the MRCA project. btw I'm still doubtful on we getting E2D. biggrin.gif
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SH+E2D is the deal offered to ATM by the Government of US nod.gif
the main contender before the the counter of BAE with T3+EADS+Parts manufacture locally+business deals+etc!
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QUOTE(keown83 @ Dec 16 2011, 03:17 PM)
hmm...seems legit..no wonder they promote kaw2 in LIMA recently...maybe they urgently need a foreign cash-cow to support their r&d..easy money i shud say...

the french's offer...can we trust them?
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We still can trust them for now.
anyway we don't have to worry about embargo since they ensure us most of the maintenance stuff we can made it locally. "these is the parts that made me very interested with rafale. there will be no worries about embargo"

QUOTE(rastablank @ Dec 16 2011, 03:25 PM)
Scrap the 4.5th gen fighter and welcome the future F-35. With the hefty price tag on both the EF Typhoon and Rafale, it makes more sense to purchase the inevitable future proof JSF.

With Japan moving in the F-35 group cycle, the economy of scale for the F-35 should be reduce significantly. We can place our order when money is made available in 2015. For the interim measure, trade those Migs for more Sukhois and split them into 2 squadrons.
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I still doubtful about F-35 performance.
some simulation they run. SU-35 pawned F-35.
Anyway if government want to go for F-35. not bad also. since the room for improvement in the F-35 is quite huge as well.

QUOTE(atreyuangel @ Dec 16 2011, 03:55 PM)
Because BAE can give much more in long term and not to the ATM
but to the industry as well,
Gomen look at this
SH+E2D is the deal offered to ATM by the Government of US  nod.gif
the main contender before the the counter of BAE with T3+EADS+Parts manufacture locally+business deals+etc!
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Ic... our airforce are becoming US navy. laugh.gif

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how many we need E2D to cover whole country? issit 1 is enough?
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how many we need E2D to cover whole country? issit 1 is enough?
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whole country would at least need "minimum 8units".
4units on standby another 4 on duty.
AEW&C can cover up to 400km IINM.
2 on duties 2 on standby for peninsular; 1 on duties 1 on standby for sabah; 1 on duties for serawak, IMO
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how many we need E2D to cover whole country? issit 1 is enough?
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4 is good while 8 is a bonus.

+ TUDM love the figure 8

1 E2D is enough to cover the whole peninsular including SG, some part of Indon and Thailand

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a pal of mine in C41SR says sometime they can detect the scanning beam of SG AEW until North or Malaysia.

That shows how powerful an AEW is!

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too bad our countries is not rich.
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I dun think the charlie going to replace anytime soon at least not until we received our A400M.
They will went through some upgrade though.
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+ Charlie is still gooding yoo
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Yup. Should have announced during LIMA 2011, but postponed coz not enough money..
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I dun think its money problem.
It more likely political problem; PRU tahun depan.
MRCA will be announce after PRU or next LIMA2013.
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4 is good while 8 is a bonus.

+ TUDM love the figure 8

1 E2D is enough to cover the whole peninsular including SG, some part of Indon and Thailand

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a pal of mine in C41SR says sometime they can detect the scanning beam of SG AEW until North or Malaysia.

That shows how powerful an AEW is!
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not to forget if we have E2D we also need another squadron as a escort, with current fighters i think it aint enough. another question does TUDM have BVR missiles in reserved for MKM?
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KUANTAN, Malaysia - Marines and Sailors with the 11th Marine Expeditionary Unit (MEU) began a cooperative exercise with elements of the Malaysian Army Dec. 14.

The exercise focuses on jungle training, air assault operations, staff exchange and platoon and company movements.

“Kilat Eagle reinforces our relationship with the Malaysian forces and provides a unique training opportunity for all parties,” said Col. Michael Hudson, 11th MEU’s commanding officer. “We look forward to sharing all that this agile, forward-deployed Marine air-ground-logistics team has to offer.”

During the exercise Marines plan to learn jungle survival and work with their Malaysian counterparts to improve helicopter-borne assault techniques. A staff exchange will also take place blending the experiences and functional areas of the forces.

“This is a golden opportunity,” said Hudson. “The venues and expertise offered by our gracious hosts will allow us to train with the Malaysians while keeping us sharp for our deployment as America’s premier fighting force in the littorals.”

The Marines and Sailors taking part in the exercise came ashore from the amphibious assault ship Makin Island which departed its San Diego homeport Nov. 14. The MEU and Amphibious Squadron 5 make up the Makin Island Amphibious Ready Group.

The MEU's major subordinate elements participating in the training are the Battalion Landing Team 3/1, Marine Medium Helicopter Squadron 268 (Reinforced) and Combat Logistics Battalion 11.
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Unit Boustead Dapat Kontrak Mindef Bernilai RM9 Bilion

KUALA LUMPUR, 16 Dis (Bernama) -- Unit kepada Boustead Holdings Bhd, Boustead Naval Shipyard Sdn Bhd telah diberikan kontrak bernilai RM9 bilion oleh Kementerian Pertahanan.

Kontrak itu ialah untuk penghantaran enam unit generasi kedua "Patrol Vessels Littoral Combat Ships" (Frigate Class) kepada kementerian, kata syarikat dalam kenyataan kepada Bursa Malaysia Jumaat.

Niaga janji itu meliputi reka bentuk, pembinaan, peralatan, pemasangan, pelaksanaan, integrasi dan pengujian ke atas keenam-enam kapal itu, katanya.

"Kontrak itu bernilai RM9 bilion, akan dilaksanakan dalam tempoh tiga Rancangan Malaysia, 10, 11 dan 12," katanya.

Penghantaran pertama dijangka pada 2017 dan disusuli oleh yang lain setiap enam bulan selepasnya.

-- BERNAMA
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Will be funded by 3 RMK 10,11,and 12
most probably
initial payment at most will be around RM3bil - RMK10;
ship payment RM4.5bil - RMK11; RM2.5bil - RMK12.


it officially a Frigate Class
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Exclusive : Iran hijacked US drone, says Iranian engineer



In an exclusive interview, an engineer working to unlock the secrets of the captured RQ-170 Sentinel says they exploited a known vulnerability and tricked the US drone into landing in Iran.


By Scott Peterson, Payam Faramarzi | CSM


Iran guided the CIA's " lost " stealth drone to an intact landing inside hostile territory by exploiting a navigational weakness long-known to the US military, according to an Iranian engineer now working on the captured drone's systems inside Iran.

Iranian electronic warfare specialists were able to cut off communications links of the American bat-wing RQ-170 Sentinel, says the engineer, who works for one of many Iranian military and civilian teams currently trying to unravel the drone’s stealth and intelligence secrets, and who could not be named for his safety.

Using knowledge gleaned from previous downed American drones and a technique proudly claimed by Iranian commanders in September, the Iranian specialists then reconfigured the drone's GPS coordinates to make it land in Iran at what the drone thought was its actual home base in Afghanistan.

" The GPS navigation is the weakest point, " the Iranian engineer told the Monitor, giving the most detailed description yet published of Iran's " electronic ambush " of the highly classified US drone. " By putting noise [jamming] on the communications, you force the bird into autopilot. This is where the bird loses its brain. "

The “ spoofing ” technique that the Iranians used – which took into account precise landing altitudes, as well as latitudinal and longitudinal data – made the drone “ land on its own where we wanted it to, without having to crack the remote-control signals and communications ” from the US control center, says the engineer.

The revelations about Iran's apparent electronic prowess come as the US, Israel, and some European nations appear to be engaged in an ever-widening covert war with Iran, which has seen assassinations of Iranian nuclear scientists, explosions at Iran's missile and industrial facilities, and the Stuxnet computer virus that set back Iran’s nuclear program.

Now this engineer’s account of how Iran took over one of America’s most sophisticated drones suggests Tehran has found a way to hit back. The techniques were developed from reverse-engineering several less sophisticated American drones captured or shot down in recent years, the engineer says, and by taking advantage of weak, easily manipulated GPS signals, which calculate location and speed from multiple satellites.


Western military experts and a number of published papers on GPS spoofing indicate that the scenario described by the Iranian engineer is plausible.

"Even modern combat-grade GPS [is] very susceptible” to manipulation, says former US Navy electronic warfare specialist Robert Densmore, adding that it is “ certainly possible ” to recalibrate the GPS on a drone so that it flies on a different course. “ I wouldn't say it's easy, but the technology is there. ”

In 2009, Iran-backed Shiite militants in Iraq were found to have downloaded live, unencrypted video streams from American Predator drones with inexpensive, off-the-shelf software. But Iran’s apparent ability now to actually take control of a drone is far more significant.

Iran asserted its ability to do this in September, as pressure mounted over its nuclear program.

Gen. Moharam Gholizadeh, the deputy for electronic warfare at the air defense headquarters of the Islamic Revolutionary Guard Corps (IRGC), described to Fars News how Iran could alter the path of a GPS-guided missile – a tactic more easily applied to a slower-moving drone.

“ We have a project on hand that is one step ahead of jamming, meaning ‘deception’ of the aggressive systems, ” said Gholizadeh, such that “ we can define our own desired information for it so the path of the missile would change to our desired destination. ”

Gholizadeh said that “ all the movements of these [enemy drones] ” were being watched, and “ obstructing ” their work was “ always on our agenda. ”

That interview has since been pulled from Fars’ Persian-language website. And last month, the relatively young Gholizadeh died of a heart attack, which some Iranian news sites called suspicious – suggesting the electronic warfare expert may have been a casualty in the covert war against Iran.


Iran's growing electronic capabilities

Iranian lawmakers say the drone capture is a " great epic " and claim to be " in the final steps of breaking into the aircraft's secret code. "

Secretary of Defense Leon Panetta told Fox News on Dec. 13 that the US will " absolutely " continue the drone campaign over Iran, looking for evidence of any nuclear weapons work. But the stakes are higher for such surveillance, now that Iran can apparently disrupt the work of US drones.

US officials skeptical of Iran’s capabilities blame a malfunction, but so far can't explain how Iran acquired the drone intact. One American analyst ridiculed Iran’s capability, telling Defense News that the loss was “like dropping a Ferrari into an ox-cart technology culture. ”

Yet Iran’s claims to the contrary resonate more in light of new details about how it brought down the drone – and other markers that signal growing electronic expertise.

A former senior Iranian official who asked not to be named said: " There are a lot of human resources in Iran.... Iran is not like Pakistan. "

“ Technologically, our distance from the Americans, the Zionists, and other advanced countries is not so far to make the downing of this plane seem like a dream for us … but it could be amazing for others, ” deputy IRGC commander Gen. Hossein Salami said this week.

According to a European intelligence source, Iran shocked Western intelligence agencies in a previously unreported incident that took place sometime in the past two years, when it managed to “blind” a CIA spy satellite by “ aiming a laser burst quite accurately. ”

More recently, Iran was able to hack Google security certificates, says the engineer. In September, the Google accounts of 300,000 Iranians were made accessible by hackers. The targeted company said "circumstantial evidence" pointed to a "state-driven attack" coming from Iran, meant to snoop on users.

Cracking the protected GPS coordinates on the Sentinel drone was no more difficult, asserts the engineer.


US knew of GPS systems' vulnerability


Use of drones has become more risky as adversaries like Iran hone countermeasures. The US military has reportedly been aware of vulnerabilities with pirating unencrypted drone data streams since the Bosnia campaign in the mid-1990s.

Top US officials said in 2009 that they were working to encrypt all drone data streams in Iraq, Pakistan, and Afghanistan – after finding militant laptops loaded with days' worth of data in Iraq – and acknowledged that they were "subject to listening and exploitation. "

Perhaps as easily exploited are the GPS navigational systems upon which so much of the modern military depends.

" GPS signals are weak and can be easily outpunched [overridden] by poorly controlled signals from television towers, devices such as laptops and MP3 players, or even mobile satellite services, " Andrew Dempster, a professor from the University of New South Wales School of Surveying and Spatial Information Systems, told a March conference on GPS vulnerability in Australia.

" This is not only a significant hazard for military, industrial, and civilian transport and communication systems, but criminals have worked out how they can jam GPS, " he says.

The US military has sought for years to fortify or find alternatives to the GPS system of satellites, which are used for both military and civilian purposes. In 2003, a “ Vulnerability Assessment Team ” at Los Alamos National Laboratory published research explaining how weak GPS signals were easily overwhelmed with a stronger local signal.

“ A more pernicious attack involves feeding the GPS receiver fake GPS signals so that it believes it is located somewhere in space and time that it is not,” reads the Los Alamos report. “ In a sophisticated spoofing attack, the adversary would send a false signal reporting the moving target’s true position and then gradually walk the target to a false position. ”

The vulnerability remains unresolved, and a paper presented at a Chicago communications security conference in October laid out parameters for successful spoofing of both civilian and military GPS units to allow a "seamless takeover" of drones or other targets.

To “ better cope with hostile electronic attacks, ” the US Air Force in late September awarded two $47 million contracts to develop a " navigation warfare " system to replace GPS on aircraft and missiles, according to the Defense Update website.

Official US data on GPS describes " the ongoing GPS modernization program " for the Air Force, which " will enhance the jam resistance of the military GPS service, making it more robust. "


Why the drone's underbelly was damaged


Iran's drone-watching project began in 2007, says the Iranian engineer, and then was stepped up and became public in 2009 – the same year that the RQ-170 was first deployed in Afghanistan with what were then state-of-the-art surveillance systems.

In January, Iran said it had shot down two conventional (nonstealth) drones, and in July, Iran showed Russian experts several US drones – including one that had been watching over the underground uranium enrichment facility at Fordo, near the holy city of Qom.

In capturing the stealth drone this month at Kashmar, 140 miles inside northeast Iran, the Islamic Republic appears to have learned from two years of close observation.

Iran displayed the drone on state-run TV last week, with a dent in the left wing and the undercarriage and landing gear hidden by anti-American banners.

The Iranian engineer explains why : " If you look at the location where we made it land and the bird's home base, they both have [almost] the same altitude, " says the Iranian engineer. " There was a problem [of a few meters] with the exact altitude so the bird's underbelly was damaged in landing; that's why it was covered in the broadcast footage. "

Prior to the disappearance of the stealth drone earlier this month, Iran’s electronic warfare capabilities were largely unknown – and often dismissed.

" We all feel drunk [with happiness] now, " says the Iranian engineer. " Have you ever had a new laptop ? Imagine that excitement multiplied many-fold. " When the Revolutionary Guard first recovered the drone, they were aware it might be rigged to self-destruct, but they " were so excited they could not stay away. "



* Scott Peterson, the Monitor's Middle East correspondent, wrote this story with an Iranian journalist who publishes under the pen name Payam Faramarzi and cannot be further identified for security reasons.
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Typhoon Vs Rafale



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KUALA LUMPUR : The Defence Ministry has awarded Boustead Naval Shipyard Sdn Bhd a RM9bil contract to design, build and deliver six second-generation patrol vessels, or littoral combat ships (Frigate Class).

Boustead Heavy Industries Corp Bhd (BHIC) said in a statement to Bursa Malaysia that the contract awarded to its associate, Boustead Naval Shipyard, would be implemented over three Malaysia Plans, 10, 11 and 12.

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None of the directors nor substantial shareholders of BHIC or persons connected with it had any interest, direct or indirect, in the contract, it said.


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Both uses Delta wing design...

but supposedly the Eurofighter is more agile than the Rafale
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Both uses Delta wing design...

but supposedly the Eurofighter is more agile than the Rafale
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and Typhoon can go Mach 2 ++ without afterburner is't?

1 more thing, our country will also receive 2 Sukhoi PAK FA when it is on duty right?
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and Typhoon can go Mach 2 ++ without afterburner is't?

1 more thing, our country will also receive 2 Sukhoi PAK FA when it is on duty right?
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Issit?

Never heard (yet) , only heard India getting it... hmm.gif
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Issit?

Never heard (yet) , only heard India getting it...  hmm.gif
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i think it is the agreement of we buying the SU-30MKM .
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wow, if this is true than a good news for us!
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Sounds gooding...

So who'll be the pilot brows.gif
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wow, if this is true than a good news for us!
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btw, Malaysia able to train astronaut also because of we bought Su-30, our leader are not that stupid as we thought so.

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maybe Malaysia would send PMAD for PAK FA training next year, who knows?
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Sending in senior teams with more experience... hmm.gif
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soon, they will replace the senior places also.
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Still need to send engineers to do maintenance also.... lol
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Boeing has unveiled a series of advanced options for international customers of the F-18 E/F Super Hornet, including conformal fuel tanks, a pod for the internal carriage of weapons, an internally-mounted infrared search and track (IRST) sensor, and enhanced engine performance.

The new options could be available for Super Hornets delivered from 2015 onwards, though the options can be retrofitted to Block II versions of the aircraft, says Boeing. The options are currently in the "concept definition phase."

Boeing says that one of these options, 15-20% improved performance for the aircraft's two General Electric F414 engines, was offered to India in the medium multi-role combat aircraft (MMRCA) competition.

The conformal fuel tanks will be able to carry up to 3,000lbs of additional fuel, while reducing the aircraft's drag and improving its lift, says Boeing.

Boeing has unveiled a series of advanced options for international customers of the F-18 E/F Super Hornet, including conformal fuel tanks, a pod for the internal carriage of weapons, an internally-mounted infrared search and track (IRST) sensor, and enhanced engine performance.

The new options could be available for Super Hornets delivered from 2015 onwards, though the options can be retrofitted to Block II versions of the aircraft, says Boeing. The options are currently in the "concept definition phase."

Boeing says that one of these options, 15-20% improved performance for the aircraft's two General Electric F414 engines, was offered to India in the medium multi-role combat aircraft (MMRCA) competition.

The conformal fuel tanks will be able to carry up to 3,000lbs of additional fuel, while reducing the aircraft's drag and improving its lift, says Boeing.

The IRST sensor will be slung under the nose to the gun bay door. While US fighters typically don't have an internal IRST capability - instead relying on AESA - IRST is stipulated in India's MMRCA request for proposals.

The Super Hornet is one of six MMRCA contenders. The other aircraft are the Saab JAS 39 Gripen, Lockheed Martin F-16 Block 60 Super Viper, RSK MiG-35, Dassault Rafale, and Eurofighter Typhoon. India is likely to announce a shortlist later this year.



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Nonononono.... India buy from Russia or no PAK-FA for you... lolol

Anyways , US also offered new package to MY if they buy a couple of F/A-18E from them?
or so to be heard...
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and Typhoon can go Mach 2 ++ without afterburner is't?

1 more thing, our country will also receive 2 Sukhoi PAK FA when it is on duty right?
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Boeing reveals advanced Super Hornet options

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Boeing has unveiled a series of advanced options for international customers of the F-18 E/F Super Hornet, including conformal fuel tanks, a pod for the internal carriage of weapons, an internally-mounted infrared search and track (IRST) sensor, and enhanced engine performance.

The new options could be available for Super Hornets delivered from 2015 onwards, though the options can be retrofitted to Block II versions of the aircraft, says Boeing. The options are currently in the "concept definition phase."

Boeing says that one of these options, 15-20% improved performance for the aircraft's two General Electric F414 engines, was offered to India in the medium multi-role combat aircraft (MMRCA) competition.

The conformal fuel tanks will be able to carry up to 3,000lbs of additional fuel, while reducing the aircraft's drag and improving its lift, says Boeing.

Boeing has unveiled a series of advanced options for international customers of the F-18 E/F Super Hornet, including conformal fuel tanks, a pod for the internal carriage of weapons, an internally-mounted infrared search and track (IRST) sensor, and enhanced engine performance.

The new options could be available for Super Hornets delivered from 2015 onwards, though the options can be retrofitted to Block II versions of the aircraft, says Boeing. The options are currently in the "concept definition phase."

Boeing says that one of these options, 15-20% improved performance for the aircraft's two General Electric F414 engines, was offered to India in the medium multi-role combat aircraft (MMRCA) competition.

The conformal fuel tanks will be able to carry up to 3,000lbs of additional fuel, while reducing the aircraft's drag and improving its lift, says Boeing.

The IRST sensor will be slung under the nose to the gun bay door. While US fighters typically don't have an internal IRST capability - instead relying on AESA - IRST is stipulated in India's MMRCA request for proposals.

The Super Hornet is one of six MMRCA contenders. The other aircraft are the Saab JAS 39 Gripen, Lockheed Martin F-16 Block 60 Super Viper, RSK MiG-35, Dassault Rafale, and Eurofighter Typhoon. India is likely to announce a shortlist later this year.



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apa lagi boeing.. make a bid already

btw anyone saw Rafale segment in RTM1?

looks like all are rooting for Rafale... gudbai typhoon!
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and Typhoon can go Mach 2 ++ without afterburner is't?

1 more thing, our country will also receive 2 Sukhoi PAK FA when it is on duty right?
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Yeah, Typhoon can go supersonic without afterburner, called supercruise..

Where u heard this 2 Pak-Fa rumour? 2 units will not make an effective combat ready...

I dun mind whichever MMRCA we buy, as long as it is maritime strike capable..
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apa lagi boeing.. make a bid already

btw anyone saw Rafale segment in RTM1?

looks like all are rooting for Rafale... gudbai typhoon!
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I'm starting love rafale.
but my heart belongs to SH. laugh.gif
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apa lagi boeing.. make a bid already

btw anyone saw Rafale segment in RTM1?

looks like all are rooting for Rafale... gudbai typhoon!
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What was the package that comes with the Rafale?
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Rafale is extensively battle-proven in Libya. Typhoon also participated, but at a smaller scale.
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Rafale is extensively battle-proven in Libya. Typhoon also participated, but at a smaller scale.
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lolz Libya combat is like latest weapon fight against cold war weapons.

macam m1 vs t72 kat iraq.
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What was the package that comes with the Rafale?
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The rafale it self are much more superior than typhoon in may ways
package?

hehe kenot tell u! tongue.gif

QUOTE(yinchet @ Dec 18 2011, 08:48 PM)
lolz Libya combat is like latest weapon fight against cold war weapons.

macam m1 vs t72 kat iraq.
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but Rafale go beyond where no plane ever go,
such deep into the country disabling sam radar and battery!
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I like the Rafale bcoz it has very good maritime strike capabilities and battle-proven in Libya, even tho it was against cold war tech.
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Typhoon is over rated fragiled plane and also overprice.
Rafale have the best offer for now.
Sh have the best perfomance to price ratio.
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but Rafale go beyond where no plane ever go,
such deep into the country disabling sam radar and battery!
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SEAD.but Typhoon tranche 2 and 3 can do that too

if we wanted a true maritime strike aircraft,i'f rather go for F/A-18F.then again all three aircraft can do maritime well

about Rafale>Typhoon,unless we saw 100 yrs war Mk 2,i gonna hold my ponies about it.

if Dassault could give us unlimited access to Rafale(but i think they will.many Mirage F1/Mirage 2000 users mod their aircraft to go as far as launching chinese made AAM) and unlimited access to the armament.then i also go for it
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Yup full access include technology training and localize maintenance part. Rafale ftw.
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Also that the ET is unstable , needs a lot of computing power to stabilize it
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what unstable? you mean aerodinamically ustable? that's because it was made that way(Fly by wire).it offers more manouvrebility
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okay, no PAK FA!
Typhoon would be the best for us in my own opinion.
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proposed Eurofighter for UAE(note the CFT)

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dear TS,
i got an idea to proposed here,
i would like to see you or maybe someone who highly expert in our country's defence assets to list down the assets as well as the specifications that RMAF, RMA and RMN have especially about the aircraft and warships that Malaysia owns.

i know all of this information is written at Wikipedia but it would be more convenient if it can be posted here in lowyat forum, im sure that this act will bring good for people who is interested in these kind of knowledge like me.
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maybe yinchet should do a post specifically for FAQs regarding Malaysian military
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What's the vehicle's name that last passes the Iraq-kuwait border over the weekend.

looks gooding yo
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Typhoon block version? hmm.gif
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looks gooding yo
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ada deril?
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MRAP?? JLTV??

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no piccie but it's in CNN vid.

that thing looks like there's a mine sensor at the front and at the top mounted with a MG.

Added on December 19, 2011, 10:40 am:Looks like a British Mastiff but....

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Custodian : Malaysia
BuNo : 123456
Modex : M32-06
Location : St Augustine FL.
Contact : Sean Campbell



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A-4 Gave Grumman the boost it needed Thursday, October 31, 1985 Supplement To The St. Augustine Record, Florida, USA -No named author-

" When Grumman St. Augustine delivers the last of 40 A-4 jet fighters to Malaysia by the end of the year, it will mark the completion of the company's biggest contract to date and a project that put the local plant on the world map of the aviation service industry.

Company officials credit their successful completion of the $200-million job with establishing Grumman St. Augustine's reputation in the industry. It proved that " We have the capability " to work on " virtually any " tactical airplane in the nation's airborne arsenal, according to corporate President, Joe Walter.

The 30-year old A-4 Skyhawks had been bought by the Malaysian Air Force from a mothballed fleet at Davis Monthan Air Force Base in Arizona. The planes were disassembled into engine, tail, wings, and fuselage and the components were shipped to St. Augustine for further disassembly and overhaul, then rebuilt and flown to Malaysia on an 11-stop ferry flight of more than 11,000 miles.

The work included a complete paint stripping and cleaning, replacement of all defective parts and various modifications to modernize the vintage fighters.

Each plane got a new set of wiring. It's electronics gear was replaced with an up-to-date avionics package including a totally new instrument panel for the cockpit, and the weapons system was replaced as well.

Grumman also converted six of the single-seat jets into two-seat trainers. The cockpit modification was done at Grumman's plant in Bethpage, NY, but the new airframe kits were installed here [St. Augustine].

The first test flight of the rebuilt Skyhawks was in April 1984. The following July four Malaysian Air Force Officers arrived to begin training as flight instructors, and the first flight of one of the trainers was in October.

Delivery of the first refurbished planes began in December, and Grumman won a $220,000 bonus from the Malaysian Government by beating a March 31 deadline for delivery of 16 Skyhawks. In fact, the 17th A-4 was in Malaysia by April 1.

The company rewarded it's employees, then numbering about 820, with tax-paid cash bonuses of up to $200 each.

Besides the profits resulting from the A-4 project, Grumman St. Augustine enjoyed some spinoff benefits by way of improvements to it's technological capacities.

For instance, the company acquired a computerized electronic testing system for checking newly installed wiring in the jets.

To operate the new electronic gear, Grumman's workers installed hundreds of miles of wiring in each Skyhawk. Manual testing to ensure each connection was properly made would cost thousands of dollars worth of man-hours. [Author has marginal understanding of topic/What the author was trying to say is that the computerized system was able to make quick work of testing the hundreds of miles of wires installed in each Skyhawk, as opposed to manual testing which would have been very costly. -Sean Campbell/A-4 Project Team].

Thanks to the A-4 project, though, Grumman now has a machine that can plug into a test socket on the plane [Wiring Harness Quick Disconnect/Cannon Plugs. -Sean Campbell-A-4 Project Team] and check all of its electrical connections in minutes.

Walter is hopeful of landing another A-4 contract next year, this one with the Government of Kuwait to refurbish 30 Skyhawks.

" Our customers are doing the advertising, and that's the best kind you can get, " he remarked.

And that's why one of the most common bumper stickers seen on the roads of St. Johns County announces: " I love the A-4. "


Provided by Sean Campbell : " You can just see the top of my head and dark sunglasses just below the DANGER stencil on the intake. "



Sources : http://www.a4skyhawk.org/
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no piccie but it's in CNN vid.

that thing looks like there's a mine sensor at the front and at the top mounted with a MG.

Added on December 19, 2011, 10:40 am:Looks like a British Mastiff but....
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it's clearly MRAP but for specific purposed IMHO
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TOKYO — The Japanese government this week began a series of meetings aimed at easing its self-imposed ban on arms exports and related technologies to allow more joint development and production of weapons with other nations.

Senior vice ministers of the foreign and defense ministries met to discuss the policy.

The new measure would enable shipments to countries with which Japan co-develops arms and stimulate the domestic defense industry by promoting joint development and production of key arms, such as next-generation fighter jets, with the U.S. and Europe. It would also cut the nation’s defense budget

However, Chief Cabinet Secretary Osamu Fujimura told a news conference that Tokyo would continue to prohibit arms exports to nations that are state sponsors of terrorism, violate the human rights of their citizens or lack sufficient controls over arms sales.

Japan currently bans almost all weapons exports, except for special cases such as those relating to the joint development of a missile defense system with the United States.



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just finished watch RTM1 news...feeds about rafale...damn that reporter girl so lucky got in-flight with rafale, i jelly liao

but RTM1 seems like lobbying for rafale...i guess we already have a winner
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QUOTE(nairud @ Dec 19 2011, 10:39 AM)
no piccie but it's in CNN vid.

that thing looks like there's a mine sensor at the front and at the top mounted with a MG.

Added on December 19, 2011, 10:40 am:Looks like a British Mastiff but....
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QUOTE(ET-Force @ Dec 19 2011, 01:50 AM)
dear TS,
i got an idea to proposed here,
i would like to see you or maybe someone who highly expert in our country's defence assets to list down the assets as well as the specifications that RMAF, RMA and RMN have especially about the aircraft and warships that Malaysia owns.

i know all of this information is written at Wikipedia but it would be more convenient if it can be posted here in lowyat forum, im sure that this act will bring good for people who is interested in these kind of knowledge like me.
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QUOTE(AKace @ Dec 19 2011, 03:15 AM)
maybe yinchet should do a post specifically for FAQs regarding Malaysian military
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MiG-29N mungkin dinaik taraf

FIRMA aeroangkasa Rusia, Mikoyan sedia untuk memasang sistem avionik dan persenjataan termoden untuk pesawat MiG-29 milik TUDM.

KUALA LUMPUR – Firma aeroangkasa Rusia, Mikoyan dikatakan sudah bersedia untuk menaik taraf 16 pesawat pejuang MiG-29N Tentera Udara Diraja Malaysia (TUDM) termasuk proses memasang sistem avionik, radar dan persenjataan termoden.

Cadangan menaik taraf pesawat tempur itu kepada versi Mikoyan MiG-29UPG merupakan opsyen Rusia kepada TUDM untuk memanjangkan jangka hayat selain mampu beroperasi setanding pesawat generasi baharu.

Menurut sumber industri, kos keseluruhan program itu dijangka tidak membebankan TUDM kerana ia melibatkan kerjasama strategik Rusia dengan industri aeroangkasa India, Hindustan Aeronautics Limited (HAL).
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Typhoon block version?  hmm.gif
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tornado variation is stated in "tranche",not "block"

this is tranche 3.but with CFT as add on for end users' preference
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The LIMA 2013 in March will be very closed to Aero India in February and Avalon Airshow Australia in late February.

Hopefully, we are able to see the RMAF EC725 and the Airbus A400M for LIMA 2013.

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The LIMA 2013 in March will be very closed to Aero India in February and Avalon Airshow Australia in late February.

Hopefully, we are able to see the RMAF EC725 and the Airbus A400M for LIMA 2013.
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EC725 will be there for sure.
not sure about A400M; hope there will be no issue occurs and proceed according to the scheduled.
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QUOTE(nairud @ Dec 19 2011, 10:39 AM)
no piccie but it's in CNN vid.

that thing looks like there's a mine sensor at the front and at the top mounted with a MG.

Added on December 19, 2011, 10:40 am:Looks like a British Mastiff but....
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looks like a JERRV BAE caiman

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Looks like maybe LIMA 2015 then we will get to see the A400M.

QUOTE(yinchet @ Dec 19 2011, 06:49 PM)
EC725 will be there for sure.
not sure about A400M; hope there will be no issue occurs and proceed according to the scheduled.
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so they typhoon is now grounded!

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-20...s-fix-them.html
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May I know what's the difference between Su-30MKI and Su-30MKM? Which one is better?
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May I know what's the difference between Su-30MKI and Su-30MKM? Which one is better?
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Though both the fighters are Russian origin they have significant third party inputs......let put what i know......

To customer to the selection were proposed both base versions Su-30MK - "Indian", gathered in Irkutsk, and "Chinese", made in Komsomol'sk-on- Amur. But Malaysian armed forces the special version of aircraft on the basis of Indian version. So to the light appeared new version Su-30 with the index "modernized, commercial, Malaysian" ie MKM.

MKM:

TVC engine & digital system of the flight control unchanged
It uses a complete French avionics suite with some Russian inputs
Its HUD & HMS is Russian
The cockpit display systems are French
Display generator and radar processors are Indian
It have French navigation systems
Its radar is Bars PESA powered by Indian computers and software
Its uses a Russian jammer pod, IRST & RWR
French LDP
No HDAF pod



MKI:

Same TVC and digital FCS
It uses complete Israeli and Indian avionics suite
Its HUD is Israeli, HMS is Russian
The cockpit display systems are French
Datalink system Indian
All the computers and software onboard are Indian
Bars PESA powered by Indian RC
It uses Israeli jammer pod, IRST & Indian RWR
It has Indian HADF
Its uses French Navigation systems
It has South African aircraft health monitoring system same as EF Typhoon



India had the option to choose between Israeli, French and Russian systems but Malaysia only can choose from French & Russian systems only. They lack of better Israeli technologies in some areas like AVIONICS, jammer pod, IRST, HUD etc. But French also good but not as Israelis they are the best after USA in this aricraft avionics areas.

Thats why when India signed for Mirage-2000 upgrade deal with Frence, for the first time French will integrate a foreign electronics say Isareli+Indian avionics and jammer pods in the new Mirage with French radar, displays, HMS, navigation systems.


I think in Some areas these four countries dominate....

1. Russia: Overall fighter design, engine, weapons
2. Israel: Avionics, HUD, IRST, Jammer pod, LDP etc
3. French: HMS, Navigation systems, Display systems (MFD).
4. India: Computers for radar, avionics, display systems, RWR and software.

Both the fighters have above mentioned similerities.
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Though both the fighters are Russian origin they have significant third party inputs......let put what i know......

To customer to the selection were proposed both base versions Su-30MK - "Indian", gathered in Irkutsk, and "Chinese", made in Komsomol'sk-on- Amur. But Malaysian armed forces the special version of aircraft on the basis of Indian version. So to the light appeared new version Su-30 with the index "modernized, commercial, Malaysian" ie MKM.

MKM:

TVC engine & digital system of the flight control unchanged
It uses a complete French avionics suite with some Russian inputs
Its HUD & HMS is Russian
The cockpit display systems are French
Display generator and radar processors are Indian
It have French navigation systems
Its radar is Bars PESA powered by Indian computers and software
Its uses a Russian jammer pod, IRST & RWR
French LDP
No HDAF pod
MKI:

Same TVC and digital FCS
It uses complete Israeli and Indian avionics suite
Its HUD is Israeli, HMS is Russian
The cockpit display systems are French
Datalink system Indian
All the computers and software onboard are Indian
Bars PESA powered by Indian RC
It uses Israeli jammer pod, IRST & Indian RWR
It has Indian HADF
Its uses French Navigation systems
It has South African aircraft health monitoring system same as EF Typhoon
India had the option to choose between Israeli, French and Russian systems but Malaysia only can choose from French & Russian systems only. They lack of better Israeli technologies in some areas like AVIONICS, jammer pod, IRST, HUD etc. But French also good but not as Israelis they are the best after USA in this aricraft avionics areas.

Thats why when India signed for Mirage-2000 upgrade deal with Frence, for the first time French will integrate a foreign electronics say Isareli+Indian avionics and jammer pods in the new Mirage with French radar, displays, HMS, navigation systems.
I think in Some areas these four countries dominate....

1. Russia: Overall fighter design, engine, weapons
2. Israel: Avionics, HUD, IRST, Jammer pod, LDP etc
3. French: HMS, Navigation systems, Display systems (MFD).
4. India: Computers for radar, avionics, display systems, RWR and software.

Both the fighters have above mentioned similerities.
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Thank you so much for the information. Really appreciate it.
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with the restrictions that we have on Israel, guess we missed out a lot on the good techs
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Looks like Japanese Air Force getting F-35 to replace their F-4

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Sketch of Sea Control Ship (1974) by AD Baker III from U.S. Aircraft Carriers: an Illustrated Design History by Norman Friedman.


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This 325-ft SWATH ship was proposed by the David W Taylor Naval Ship Research and Development Center in 1980 to operate short takeoff, vertical landing (STOVL) fighters.


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A proposed conversion of a US Navy Spruance class destroyer to operate Harrier jump-jets.


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Another view of a Spruance conversion, operating a Grumman vertical take off aircraft.


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Another interesting concept was the short-lived Skyhook proposal, to have a crane-equipped ship to operate Harriers using the Skyhook method.


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Israel tech is overrated anyway.
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BLue screen of Death, lolol,
no wonder they call it like that, if really happen when flying the jet, death gonna happen.
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BLue screen of Death, lolol,
no wonder they call it like that, if really happen when flying the jet, death gonna happen.
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got eject seat mah..
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QUOTE(nairud @ Dec 20 2011, 10:59 AM)
with the restrictions that we have on Israel, guess we missed out a lot on the good techs
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QUOTE(yinchet @ Dec 20 2011, 02:20 PM)
Israel tech is overrated anyway.
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we didn't miss much to begin with

there are many alternatives for Israeli avionics and armament system.France,Italy and South Africa are good starters.even South Korea nowadays
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perhaps there are another subclass of G-4; the 4+++ generation(or 4.75)

this is existing 4th gen aircraft that implements the aspects of 5th gen aircraft(stealth,TVC,AESA radar,etc)

exp like F-15SE,Typhoon Tranche 3, and the proposed Su-30MKI mk3

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Iran Unveils 20 Important Scientific, Defense Projects like nanotech, laser,&missile



Iranian DM Unveils 20 Important Scientific, Defense Projects



TEHRAN (FNA)- Iranian Defense Minister Brigadier General Ahmad Vahidi on Tuesday unveiled 20 important projects in energy, nanotechnology, microelectronic, optic, laser, missile and naval fields.


" One of the projects is the designing and building of a high-frequency electronic part named David Salitani which will provide the ground for the production of Salitani transistors in Iran, " Vahidi told reporters in Tehran, explaining that the transistor would provide the country with the possibility to produce highly fast electronic circuits for large capacity telecommunication which cannot be tapped by anyone.

"Another system which was inaugurated today is a machine which generates electricity and heat concurrently while using only one energy source like natural gas or oil, " he added.

Vahidi pointed out that the system has a very high and unrivalled efficiency rate of 80% of energy production, while the figure stands at around 30% to 35% in power plants.

Iran has made huge achievements in various fields of science and technology, from nuclear knowledge to stem cell and Nano technology.

In a most recent case, Iranian Health Minister Marziyeh Vahid Dastjerdi announced in September that the country would soon start production of 15 types of anti-cancer drugs.

" 15 types of monoclonal anti-body drugs are being synthesized with the help of the Scientific Department of the Presidential Office, using hi-tech technology, " Vahid Dastjerdi said.

Also earlier this year, Iranian scientists succeeded in producing new types of medication for treating different kinds of cancer, viral diseases and arthritis with 100% positive results.

Iran has also taken wide strides in designing and manufacturing different types of light, semi-heavy and heavy weapons, military tools and equipment. Tehran launched an arms development program during the 1980-88 Iraqi imposed war on Iran to compensate for a US weapons embargo. Since 1992, Iran has produced its own tanks, armored personnel carriers, missiles and fighter planes.

Yet, Iranian officials have always stressed that the country's military and arms programs serve defensive purposes and should not be perceived as a threat to any other country.



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The European Fighter Aircraft Industry: Has it Lost Asia?
By Richard A. Bitzinger

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Europe’s combat aircraft manufacturers, in losing a potential sale to Japan, could see their future sales to Asia evaporate completely. This could leave the United States in an unassailable position as the world’s predominant fighter aircraft producer.

http://www.rsis.edu.sg/publications/Perspe...RSIS1862011.pdf

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^and russia

and possibly china.

the only way they can compete is by bringing the price down.even if that means introducing a monkey version
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Fifth Airbus Military A400M development aircraft makes first flight
201211 (Tue)

The fifth Airbus Military A400M military airlifter has made its first flight, marking the end of a highly successful year for the programme and meaning that the full fleet of Grizzly development aircraft is now in the air, completing the flight-test programme

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Known as Grizzly 5, the aircraft took off from Seville, Spain with a take-off weight of 125 tonnes at 08:55 local time (GMT+1) and landed back at Seville 2 hours 10 minutes later.

Experimental Test Pilot Christophe Marchand captained the flight, supported by Experimental Test Pilot Etienne Miche-de-Malleray. The crew also included Test Flight Engineer Jean-Paul Lambert and Flight Test Engineers Ludovic Girard and Cesar Gonzales-Gomez.

Grizzly 5 is the final member of the fleet which has now completed more than 2,500 hours of the 3,700 hour flight-test programme leading to first delivery. It carries a light flight-test instrumentation load and will be primarily dedicated to electromagnetic interference (EMI)-testing, cargo development, operational demonstrations and extreme cold weather trials.

Airbus Head of Flight Operations Fernando Alonso said: “The first flight of Grizzly 5 is right on schedule and is an excellent way to end this second year of A400M flight-testing. It provides a strong platform from which to address the challenging year ahead leading to first delivery to the French Air Force.”

During 2011 the A400M has successfully completed an extremely intensive test schedule and the aircraft has now been flown by more than 60 pilots. The key high-energy rejected take-off test has been passed as well as emergency evacuations in different configurations. Crosswind and wet runway testing is complete, and so is testing with artificial ice shapes fitted to the wings.

All stalling and braking tests have been passed, together with cruise performance, and the minimum unstick speed (Vmu), minimum control speed on ground (Vmcg) and minimum control speed in the air (Vmca) tests are also complete.

The Grizzly fleet will immediately start 2012 with an aggressive test programme, including an increasing proportion of military tests, in preparation for first delivery around the turn of the year 2012/2013.

The attached photo shows Grizzly 5 taking off from Seville this morning.

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Marines with Company I, Battalion Landing Team 3/1, 11th Marine Expeditionary Unit, load a CH-46E Sea Knight aboard USS Makin Island here Dec. 14 to participate in Exercise Kilat Eagle, a bilateral training event between Marines and sailors of MEU and soldiers from the Malaysian Army. The Camp Pendleton, Calif., based 11th Marine Expeditionary Unit deployed from San Diego Nov. 14 aboard USS Makin Island, USS New Orleans and USS Pearl Harbor and arrived in Malaysia Dec. 14 as part of a regularly scheduled deployment to the Western Pacific and Middle East regions. Photo by Capt. Roger Hollenbeck

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Marines with Company I, Battalion Landing Team 3/1, 11th Marine Expeditionary Unit, walk to a CH-53E Super Stallion aboard USS Makin Island here Dec. 14 to participate in Exercise Kilat Eagle, a bilateral training event between Marines and sailors of MEU and soldiers from the Malaysian Army. The Camp Pendleton, Calif., based 11th Marine Expeditionary Unit deployed from San Diego Nov. 14 aboard USS Makin Island, USS New Orleans and USS Pearl Harbor and arrived in Malaysia Dec. 14 as part of a regularly scheduled deployment to the Western Pacific and Middle East regions.  Photo by Capt. Roger Hollenbeck

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Marines with Company I, Battalion Landing Team 3/1, 11th Marine Expeditionary Unit, load a CH-53E Super Stallion aboard USS Makin Island here Dec. 14 to participate in Exercise Kilat Eagle, a bilateral training event between Marines and sailors of MEU and soldiers from the Malaysian Army. The Camp Pendleton, Calif., based 11th Marine Expeditionary Unit deployed from San Diego Nov. 14 aboard USS Makin Island, USS New Orleans and USS Pearl Harbor and arrived in Malaysia Dec. 14 as part of a regularly scheduled deployment to the Western Pacific and Middle East regions. Photo by Capt. Roger Hollenbeck

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A CH-53E Super Stallion from Marine Medium Helicopter Squadron 268 (Reinforced) departs USS Makin Island here Dec. 14 to fly 11th Marine Expeditionary Unit personnel to Kuantan, Malaysia for Exercise Kilat Eagle, a bilateral training event between Marines and sailors of MEU and soldiers from the Malaysian Army. The Camp Pendleton, Calif., based 11th Marine Expeditionary Unit deployed from San Diego Nov. 14 aboard USS Makin Island, USS New Orleans and USS Pearl Harbor and arrived in Malaysia Dec. 14 as part of a regularly scheduled deployment to the Western Pacific and Middle East regions  Photo by Capt. Roger Hollenbeck

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someone asked me about malaysia buying 32 AW101 helos

i was like "what the hell"....
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Hmm, interesting.

What is the reason to have the overwatch team armed with MP5's? Can the 9mm penetrate through the glass on the plane?

Wouldn't it be better if the overwatch uses carbines instead? The 556's penetration power should be superior.

I mean, I'm no expert but I was just wondering about that.
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wouldn't the windows be covered by snipers?
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wouldn't the windows be covered by snipers?
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Yeah, but how many snipers can you deploy? How many windows can a sniper cover effectively?

Hence, the use of the overwatch team. To provide cover for the entry team.
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5.56 has a high tendency of deflection when it hits curved laminated windshileds unless you shoot it at a 90 degree angle.bullet deflection is a problem for all calibres but 5.56 deflect the most

plus,5.56 will yaw and fragment after it hits a barrier thus a lower wound capability.i hope LEOs don't just have the standard NATO SS109

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in my current state of inebriation the info provided above may be true but it may be total BS

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Take a look at this video. They are mostly armed with MP5's. Try to count how many shots were fired. Take note that only one round actually hit the suspect.




Now, that is only a car windshield. Glasses on an airplane are much, much thicker.
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Take a look at this video. They are mostly armed with MP5's. Try to count how many shots were fired. Take note that only one round actually hit the suspect.


Now, that is only a car windshield. Glasses on an airplane are much, much thicker.
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both 5.56 and 9mm are weak against intermediate barriers

solution:shoot the F'er at the same point of aim until rounds get through

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Do cops have jurisdiction over armed forces personnel? I thought they will be handed over to the MP's?
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Pak Fa is not yet on the market, and if it is true then India will be the first!
even The Russian are procuring SU-35 to its fleet and not Pak Fa
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guys, i need info about which models of aircraft have the ability of thrust vectoring.

as I aware, F-35 and SU-37 only. Maybe SU-35 got it.(please note that this is only that i know).

how about F-22, i heard that this jet's thrust vectoring is fail.
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QUOTE(atreyuangel @ Dec 27 2011, 10:21 PM)
Pak Fa is not yet on the market, and if it is true then India will be the first!
even The Russian are procuring SU-35 to its fleet and not Pak Fa
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How about South Korea? I heard Sukhoi offered them for their next generation fighter.
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QUOTE(ET-Force @ Dec 28 2011, 12:47 AM)
guys, i need info about which models of aircraft have the ability of thrust vectoring.

as I aware, F-35 and SU-37 only. Maybe SU-35 got it.(please note that this is only that i know).

how about F-22, i heard that this jet's thrust vectoring is fail.
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SU-35BM do have it.
MIG-35
our Su-30MKM and India SU-30MKI

yes Raptor do have TV!

other then that will be experimental or research plane

QUOTE(WanMB @ Dec 28 2011, 12:56 AM)
How about South Korea? I heard Sukhoi offered them for their next generation fighter.
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Don't think so, like I said India will be the first as they do have certain amount of investment IINM
South Korea? IMHO they are more to the US block that Ruskies!

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I never understood the need for stealth fighters. It would only make sense if you have a "strike first" military doctrine. If you don't, the stealth fighter squadrons will surely be a priority target when a hostile nation declares war. Which means most likely you would lose your fighters in the first day of conflict.

Instead of spending huge amount of money on stealth fighters, why not use it to improve the air defense capability instead? It's cheaper and it makes more sense if you are going for a defense only doctrine.
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QUOTE(DeFaeco @ Dec 28 2011, 09:44 AM)
I never understood the need for stealth fighters. It would only make sense if you have a "strike first" military doctrine. If you don't, the stealth fighter squadrons will surely  be a priority target when a hostile nation declares war. Which means most likely you would lose your fighters in the first day of conflict.

Instead of spending huge amount of money on stealth fighters, why not use it to improve the air defense capability instead? It's cheaper and it makes more sense if you are going for a defense only doctrine.
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Stealth are very useful in air 2 air battle especially BVR.
In future is going to be who detect who 1st. "Perhaps these would leads to radar technology race"
if you can't see me you are as good as dead.

to me strike first doctrine were mostly use for stealth bomber. like the f117 and b2.
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Yeah, maybe under the perfect conditions. Nothing in war is ever perfect. Most of the time you will be flying over a SAM site, knowingly or not. Kinda hard to shoot down a bogey, BVR or not, when your RWR is indicating SAM launch.

The Serbs manage to shoot down an F-117 during the Kosovo war. They were not even using a specific anti-stealth technology to do it. It was basically a combination of good intel, knowledge of equipment at hand and a barrage of SAMs with proximity fuse.

That was some time ago. I'm pretty sure there are more advanced systems to date.

Would you rather have a squadron of stealth fighters when at the same price, gets you maybe 2 full squadrons of generation 4+ aircraft with change for a decent air defense system?
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I've always said it to my friends that always admire stealth technology!

"detection is always one radar away" laugh.gif
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QUOTE(DeFaeco @ Dec 28 2011, 02:23 PM)
Yeah, maybe under the perfect conditions. Nothing in war is ever perfect. Most of the time you will be flying over a SAM site, knowingly or not. Kinda hard to shoot down a bogey, BVR or not, when your RWR is indicating SAM launch.

The Serbs manage to shoot down an F-117 during the Kosovo war. They were not even using a specific anti-stealth technology to do it. It was basically a combination of good intel, knowledge of equipment at hand and a barrage of SAMs with proximity fuse.

That was some time ago. I'm pretty sure there are more advanced systems to date.

Would you rather have a squadron of stealth fighters when at the same price, gets you maybe 2 full squadrons of generation 4+ aircraft with change for a decent air defense system?
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It depend on how you are going utilize those fighter. the whole war is not just about stealth fighter but a collective of defensive forces and offensive forces.

TBH serb shoot down down only 1 F-117 dat is... It just proof of concept dat they are able to shoot down 1.
the current stealth fighter have overcome most of the weakness in the 1st generation stealth fighter. which is slow, lack of A2A capabilities and unable to defend themselves if they were being lock on or engage in dog fights.

between there is no anti stealth technology.
it just an advancement in radar technology.

there is a reason Y there is a hype all over the AESA radar technology and stealth technology.
both however can't guarantees 100% effectiveness against each others.
stealth technology tries to reduce the detection range and effectiveness of opponent radar and newer radar technology tries to improve the detection range against the low RCS fighter.
heck even 4th generation fighter improve their RCS.

too shoot down a bogey is not hard. imo, how many times you can use flairs and decoy??
btw in the current times offensive force would disable all SAM site 1st. and having total control in the airspace.
try read some Operation Odyssey Dawn

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I've always said it to my friends that always admire stealth technology!

"detection is always one radar away" laugh.gif
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lolz...
radar technology race is on.
AESA radar FTW..
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Even passive radar can read the presence of stealth, I'm thinking in 10 years or so!
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F-INSAS Rifle Design Clears Audit, To Go Into Production From Jan 2012



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The defence ministry may no longer have to search for an advanced rifle to arm the Indian infantry soldier of the future under the F-Insas project. Rifle Factory Ishapore (RFI) claims to have come up with an advanced variant of the existing 5.56 mm Insas rifle that will go into production from January, 2012. “ The rifle is an extremely modern weapon that will meet with the requirements of the future infantryman.

Our designs have already cleared the audit and production is expected to start from January, ” a source said.
RFI has already manufactured over a million Insas rifles for distribution among security personnel in India. The Insas was first introduced before the Kargil war and several variants have since been developed. When the Future Infantry Soldier as System (F-Insas) project was launched by the defence ministry, the Defence Research and Development Organisation (DRDO) and Ordnance Factory Board (OFB) got together to develop weapons for the soldier of the future.

Under the F-Insas project, the infantryman will be kitted with state-of-theart equipment including weapons, protective gear and communications systems. The soldier’s uniform would include bullet-proof clothing and the visor on his helmet would display maps and gunsights. The future soldiers would also carry palmtops and other advanced communications gear.

Among the weapons for the F-Insas project is a multi-calibre carbine for Close Quarter Battle (CQB) and a rifle. OFB has already developed the Milap multi-calibre carbine and handed it over to the Army for field trials. The carbine is modular in structure and can fire 5.56 mm, 7.62 mm and also 6.8 mm rounds. It also has an under belly grenade launcher for air-burst grenades. The OFB believes that this weapon that is expected to cost nearly . 50,000 apiece will solve the Army’s problems for days to come.

For the rifle, the defence ministry is on the lookout for something on the lines of the Israeli Tavor. In fact, nearly 5,000 Tavors have already been imported for use by the Special Forces. RFI sources say that the F-Insas developed by them at Ishapore would meet the ministry’s requirements and there would be no need to go in for further imports.

The efforts that have gone in for this project has bagged S K Rath of RFI the best general manager award from OFB. Although details were not available, sources revealed that the new rifle will be modular and have several advanced components. It may even have a computer chip inside.
“ The first phase of the F-Insas programme should be completed by 2012. We believe that the rifle developed by RFI will meet the requirements of the Army, ” an official said.



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QUOTE(atreyuangel @ Dec 28 2011, 04:36 PM)
I've always said it to my friends that always admire stealth technology!

"detection is always one radar away" laugh.gif
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and we already have 3 sets of Vera-E radars..
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QUOTE(zimhibikie @ Dec 29 2011, 02:28 PM)
and we already have 3 sets of Vera-E radars..
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confirm ke? i thought it was a rumour?
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QUOTE(atreyuangel @ Dec 28 2011, 07:36 PM)
Even passive radar can read the presence of stealth,  I'm thinking in 10 years or so!
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Passive of'coz can detect the stealth but stealth futures dat apply on the aircraft reduce the range of detection of the radar.

stealth technology always being misunderstood. like stealth mean cannot detect. in realities it only evade radar frequency aje
let say:
A radar with a range of 200km effective range for normal fighter.
however his effective range reduce to 50km for detecting a stealth bomber or stealth fighter.
The whole things become even more complex when differ radar bands reacts differently on the stealth method use on stealth fighter. "I'm not quite sure about the technical parts"

QUOTE(zimhibikie @ Dec 29 2011, 02:28 PM)
and we already have 3 sets of Vera-E radars..
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yup, but still not sure how effective were it against the next generation stealth fighter like the PAKFA, F-35, B-2 and china stealth fighter.
however 1 things for sure its will be quite effective against the F-15 silent eagle which optimize for xband radar.

QUOTE(bf48qo @ Dec 29 2011, 02:40 PM)
confirm ke? i thought it was a rumour?
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confirm..

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Passive of'coz can detect the stealth but stealth futures dat apply on the aircraft reduce the range of detection of the radar.

stealth technology always being misunderstood. like stealth mean cannot detect. in realities it only evade radar frequency aje
let say:
A radar with a range of 200km effective range for normal fighter.
however his effective range reduce to 50km for detecting a stealth bomber or stealth fighter.
The whole things become even more complex when differ radar bands reacts differently on the stealth method use on stealth fighter. "I'm not quite sure about the technical parts"
yup, but still not sure how effective were it against the next generation stealth fighter like the PAKFA, F-35, B-2 and china stealth fighter.
however 1 things for sure its will be quite effective against the F-15 silent eagle which optimize for xband radar.
confirm..
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hehe I read somewhere that the raptor radar signature is just as small as bee!

so to radar guy, if you see a bee that moving in the speed of 1 mach and more be alert tongue.gif
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hehe I read somewhere that the raptor radar signature is just as small as bee!

so to radar guy, if you see a bee that moving in the speed of 1 mach and more be alert  tongue.gif
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dat aircraft is not visible in radar screen.
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How about South Korea? I heard Sukhoi offered them for their next generation fighter.
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U-boats may be on navy's shopping list

Australia's ''future submarine'' could be a super U-boat built by a German company that made many of the submarines that nearly brought Britain to its knees in World War II.

HDW has released details of a concept design, designated the Type 216, for a long-range conventional submarine.

Experts say the design, based on the successful Type 214, is specifically targeted at Sea 1000 - Defence's future submarine program.

Rex Patrick, a former submariner and the director of Acoustic Force, said yesterday the information available indicated Type 216 would meet the requirements spelt out in the 2009 Defence white paper and there was no reason the submarines could not be built in Adelaide.

''I think they [HDW] have been working on the Type 216 for some time with candidates like Australia, India and Canada in mind,'' he said.

Another HDW design, the Type 209, is the basis for three submarines Indonesia is buying from Korea's Daewoo Shipbuilding Marine Engineering.

The $1billion contract for the three, two of which will be built in South Korea and one in Indonesia, was signed on December 20.

Defence has been considering a number of European submarines, including the HDW 214, the Spanish Navantia S-80 and French DCNS Scorpene, as replacements for the trouble-plagued Collins for some time. It has confirmed ''requests for information'' are to be sent to the three manufacturers.

Defence has also signed a contract with Babcock to research a land-based submarine propulsion test facility and a ''Future Submarine Industry Skills Plan'' is being prepared.

While Defence has acknowledged the European vessels offer proven designs and shorter delivery times than an Australian-designed submarine, the concern is they are too small to meet Australia's broad needs as outlined in the 2009 white paper.

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The ''supersized'' HDW Type 216 may change that. It is more than twice the size of the three submarines that have just been commissioned by Indonesia.

Designated the Type 1400, the Indonesian boats will still be very capable. The first is expected to be in use by 2015 with the second scheduled for delivery in 2018.

There is grave concern delays in the Government's decision making process means there is no longer sufficient time to design and build an ''evolved'' Collins class boat by the 2025 deadline.

Former ASC chief executive officer, Greg Tunney, is on the record as having said ''serious concept work and definition studies'' should have begun in 2010.

HDW's Type 216 concept, the subject of a special report in the current edition of Jane's International Defence Review, overcomes the shortcomings of small European submarines and would take less time - and money - to build than a ''son of Collins'' analysts claim. At almost 4000t, 89m long and with an extendable minimum range of 10,400 nautical miles (19,240km), it outclasses the existing Collins in every way.

The evolved 216 would come with air-independent propulsion giving it a nuclear submarine-like ability to linger underwater in choke points such as the Straits of Malacca for weeks on end. It would have the ability to launch cruise missiles, carry a ''swimmer delivery vehicle'' for special operations and be extremely quiet thanks to propulsion design parameters and an outer shell that absorbs sound.

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wow? another class of submarine for Singapore!
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wow? another class of submarine for Singapore!
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my bad!
OZ Navy have to buy a new submarine, their Collins class are disaster
inb4 Scorpene way more disastrous
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bahh...they can't even crew all of their collins and they want to add 6 more

btw,the collins will be in service until 2020s.the new sub will arrive in 2025.pretty much 3 decades of service



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Once back at building bay, ship will be launched at a 20,000-tonne displacement : naval source


The first Indigenous Aircraft Carrier (IAC) of the Navy was floated out at the Cochin Shipyard Limited (CSL), at a low-key event attended by senior shipping and naval officers on Thursday.

Among those present were Union Shipping Secretary K. Mohandas; Rear Admiral K.N. Vaidyanathan, Director General, Naval Design; and Commodore K. Subramaniam, Chairman and Managing Director of CSL.

The floating ceremony was followed by a meeting to review the progress in the work being done on the aircraft carrier, a 40,000-tonne fleet air defence platform of the Navy, which will be named after the legendary INS Vikrant. The Union Shipping Secretary told The Hindu that the work on the carrier was progressing, albeit not as per schedule, as so many variables were being factored into the extremely complex construction process.

The official added that the commissioning of the carrier, the keel of which was laid in February 2009, was likely to overshoot its original timeline.

According to a senior naval functionary, the carrier was ‘technically floated out' as the shipyard needed the dry-dock for ‘some other commercial work. ' “ The carrier has taken on about 14,000 tonnes. She would now undergo interior outfitting, including the laying of pipes before being dry-docked again in the latter half of next year for integration of the propulsion gear-box, generators and the like, ” he told The Hindu.

As earlier reported by The Hindu, a delay in the delivery of gear boxes and associated systems had considerably slowed down the construction of the prestigious carrier. Naval officers, however, put on a brave face saying that the phase in which teething trouble was encountered was over. “ The gear box is ready and undergoing trials, at last. The underwater package is all lined up but the rest of the equipment has to be identified and tested, ” said a naval source.

After facing initial hiccups due to paucity of supply of steel, the carrier project got the much-required thrust with the Defence Metallurgical Research Laboratory (DMRL) and the Steel Authority of India (SAIL) fashioning carrier-grade steel indigenously.

After the steel supply stabilised, problems pertaining to quality gearbox put the brakes on the project. Elecon Engineering Company Limited, a Gujarat-based firm which had earlier manufactured CODOG marine gear boxes for the Navy's Shivalik-class stealth frigates, found itself in the red attempting to make the carrier's huge main gearboxes. “ They have been able to overcome the difficulties with support from a German firm, ” said a Navy officer.


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since i malas mau quote2 ne...

about the necessity of stealth aircraft,it's all in the evolution of the aircraft.within the next 2 decades stealth aircraft would be common in many countries(just like MRCA did in the nineties)

about the air defence vs aircraft,it's like arguing about chicken and egg.i say we improve both.especially the quantity.

Stealth can be detected on radar. the hard part is to lock on and engage them(bad target). the last time a stealth aircraft was shot down,the commander used a combination of optic and passive sensors to take down the aircraft

and Vera E is not a radar
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Trying to ask a stupid question here guys..

why our government want to buy new models of jets instead of increase the amount of su-30 that we got?

is it got something to do with the items bundled if we buy new models?

like AEW&C?
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MIG-29 is nearing it shelf life.
The cost of operation is no more economic with what they can get as before.
and of course falling behind in term of technology

so in long term is better to replace then upgrade because upgrading will be cost more.

and of course when buying we would have a better deal and AEW is vital, and buying with MMRCA will make the cost much more cheaper.

to have at least 2 option is better, in case one of the jets is grounded there is another jet available for mission and patrol.
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since i malas mau quote2 ne...

about the necessity of stealth aircraft,it's all in the evolution of the aircraft.within the next 2 decades stealth aircraft would be common in many countries(just like MRCA did in the nineties)

about the air defence vs aircraft,it's like arguing about chicken and egg.i say we improve both.especially the quantity.

Stealth can be detected on radar. the hard part is to lock on and engage them(bad target). the last time a stealth aircraft was shot down,the commander used a combination of optic and passive sensors to take down the aircraft

and Vera E is not a radar
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best reply ever.

many ppl take vera as radar.
anyway it is a passive esm
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MANILA, Philippines - The Department of National Defense (DND) has ordered the military to look into the possibility of acquiring anti-ship weapons and beef up its maritime surveillance capability.

In its planning guidance for 2013 to 2018, the DND said maritime security is challenged by traditional concerns like safeguarding the Kalayaan Island Group and non-traditional concerns like terrorism, smuggling, piracy and human and drug trafficking.

DND, however, lamented the military’s maritime surveillance capability is “low” due to the unavailability of platforms and aging equipment.

“The Program 1 Resource Manager shall study the possibility and merits of acquiring a capability for delivering anti-ship weapons up to a range of about 100 miles through shore-based mobile missile batteries in the long term,” DND said, referring to military managers.

“The Program 2 Resource Manager shall gradually develop the capability for long-range maritime air patrol and surveillance,” it added.

Developing the maritime air surveillance would entail acquiring assets for long-range maritime air patrol, accompanying base support systems and other platforms to maintain and sustain deployable and deployed assets.

Military resource managers were also ordered to “gradually develop the capability for air surface and sub-surface surveillance detection and interdiction within maritime domain.”

The DND said such endeavor would require the acquisition of assets for offshore patrol, strategic sea- lift, and accompanying base support systems and platforms.

“Likewise, the development of the National Coast Watch System shall also be given priority,” the DND guidance read.

Last September, President Aquino issued Executive Order 57, which called for the creation of the national coast watch system. The order seeks to expand the country’s naval security operations and to protect its natural resources.

The DND is also planning to acquire a squadron of surface attack aircraft in the next few years to enhance the military’s capability to secure the country’s airspace. DND said enhancing the country’s air assets would address the Philippines’ territorial defense concerns.

The DND also wants to acquire air surveillance radars and to develop the military’s air defense system.

“The Program 2 Resource Manager shall gradually develop the capability of air surveillance and interdiction by reactivating the Philippine Air Defense System and acquiring air surveillance radars and one squadron of surface attack aircraft,” DND said.

A squadron consists of 12 to 24 aircraft units. A surface attack aircraft is capable of interception and maritime patrols.

DND admitted the military’s air defense capability is “insufficient to address territorial defense concerns.” It also admitted the Philippine Air Defense Control Center and other units cannot effectively perform their required duties like air intelligence, aerial patrol and air reconnaissance.


The military, for its part, has re-supplied its forces and deployed fresh troops in Kalayaan Island Group (KIG).


Aside from troop deployment which the Palawan-based Western Command (Wescom) described as routine rotation of forces, all naval units in the region, along with the newly acquired Navy frigate, BRP Gregorio del Pilar, have been placed on standby and for any disaster response and other seaborne operations during the holidays.
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Horizon Programme.a programme that (in theory) would modernize AFP and make them to stand equal with regional countries

but them commies in Pinoy parliament always screw the military up....manyak rasuah la,no need la,etc

macam pernah dengar kan? whistling.gif
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Horizon Programme.a programme that (in theory) would modernize AFP and make them to stand equal with regional countries

but them commies in Pinoy parliament always screw the military up....manyak rasuah la,no need la,etc

macam pernah dengar kan? whistling.gif
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At least they are buying something that they can barely afford unlike the other country acting like a rich nation and like to buy things with special customized configuration that inflated the price and yet complaint about things getting old and insufficient.
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they haven't even buy them
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At least they are buying something that they can barely afford unlike the other country acting like a rich nation and like to buy things with special customized configuration that inflated the price and yet complaint about things getting old and insufficient.
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Perompak Kapal Malaysia 18 Orang, Bersenjata Pistol dan Parang

TNI AL telah diangkat menjadi wira kerana menyelamatkan kapal tersebut dan menjadi modal untuk para kaskus mengelakkan kita.
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TNI AL berjaya menawan semula kapal pengangkut berbendera malaysia.

Perompak Kapal Malaysia 18 Orang, Bersenjata Pistol dan Parang

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What I try to imply is other poor regional country are trying to modernise their AF on the cheap due to tight budget allocation. They trying to purchase second hand weapons, get the quantity vs quality as you always mentioned. We on the other hand like to buy weapons with special customized configuration and also want build locally with ToT. That inflated their price by a large margin and limit the quantity we can purchase. Examples are PT-91M, NGPV, EC725, AV8, LCS etc. We know our defence budget is small and our weapon systems are old and need replacement in a hurry and yet we are wasting time and resources in paying high price for the development of the most customize weaponry and local defence industry infrastructures with only ATM as customer. It does not make sense at all.
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What I try to imply is other poor regional country are trying to modernise their AF on the cheap due to tight budget allocation. They trying to purchase second hand weapons, get the quantity vs quality as you always mentioned. We on the other hand like to buy weapons with special customized configuration and also want build locally with ToT. That inflated their price by a large margin and limit the quantity we can purchase. Examples are PT-91M, NGPV, EC725, AV8, LCS etc. We know our defence budget is small and our weapon systems are old and need replacement in a hurry and yet we are wasting time and resources in paying high price for the development of the most customize weaponry and local defence industry infrastructures with only ATM as customer. It does not make sense at all.
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our budget is not small as we were thought to be.
Our military budget is in a form of RMK 5years. these years budget remain unused it will be brought foward to next years. 2%@GDP

on average USD4bil*5 = ~USD20bil these ways it more affordable to manage our budget and buying military stuff.
-buying a military equipment would normally take more than a years.

PT-91M is quite ok compare to others tank like the leo and M1. however the issue of it expensive is due to certain ppl failed to include 15 support vehicle + ammo + spares + support.
EC725 we didn't customize at all IINM, but we are are buying CSAR version.
AV8 is farking expensive is due we are developing 12 variant in 1 go "which I dun agree on we should start with 3-4 variant these would reduce those development cost"
NGPV is expensive due to mismanagement we burn a lot of money. there. mad.gif

btw I prefer quality more than quantities.

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What I try to imply is other poor regional country are trying to modernise their AF on the cheap due to tight budget allocation. They trying to purchase second hand weapons, get the quantity vs quality as you always mentioned. We on the other hand like to buy weapons with special customized configuration and also want build locally with ToT. That inflated their price by a large margin and limit the quantity we can purchase. Examples are PT-91M, NGPV, EC725, AV8, LCS etc. We know our defence budget is small and our weapon systems are old and need replacement in a hurry and yet we are wasting time and resources in paying high price for the development of the most customize weaponry and local defence industry infrastructures with only ATM as customer. It does not make sense at all.
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We are using quality then quantity, you can see for the example why Irkut was chosen to built rather then Knaapo like the Vietnam, China and Indonesia.

If you care to check history, our govt has gone through that phase of trying to modernise our AF using second hand aircraft. lets just say the result is none too effective
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the govt, follow the adage, "quality over quantity... hence we build small force will excellent capabilities.
we also are trying cultivate our own self sufficiency in defense by jump starting our own defence industries.
hence the need to include a tot for local defence industries

tots doesn't come cheap, much like your univ education which you're still paying your loans.
why parents toiled day and night to find the money to give their children education?
can the children guarantee that they will repay them in similar manner when they are old?
its the same thing with the govt pouring money trying to build local defence industries.

a case study. indon procuring 24 F-16 C/Ds. what they didn't tell you is how old and what kind of limitation of the airframe. how long would it lasts? plus the F-16s are acquired without any missiles. and like any other weapon acquired from uncle sam, it comes with a plethora of limitations and its usages are tightly controlled by uncle sam. even if they wanted to change the engines of the aircraft, they have to ask permission from uncle sam. it kind of reminds you when you're trying to drive your dad's car to the shop 4 the first time, does it
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25.2 million lira has been allocated on the creation of the machine-gun. The project will be launched in January, 2012. The creation of the prototypes of the machine-gun will be completed by 2015.

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We are using quality then quantity, you can see for the example why Irkut was chosen to built rather then Knaapo like the Vietnam, China and Indonesia.

If you care to check history, our govt has gone through that phase of trying to modernise our AF using second hand aircraft. lets just say the result is none too effective
Chat conversation end

the govt, follow the adage, "quality over quantity... hence we build small force will excellent capabilities.
we also are trying cultivate our own self sufficiency in defense by jump starting our own defence industries.
hence the need to include a tot for local defence industries

tots doesn't come cheap, much like your univ education which you're still paying your loans.
why parents toiled day and night to find the money to give their children education?
can the children guarantee that they will repay them in similar manner when they are old?
its the same thing with the govt pouring money trying to build local defence industries.

a case study. indon procuring 24 F-16 C/Ds. what they didn't tell you is how old and what kind of limitation of the airframe. how long would it lasts? plus the F-16s are acquired without any missiles. and like any other weapon acquired from uncle sam, it comes with a plethora of limitations and its usages are tightly controlled by uncle sam. even if they wanted to change the engines of the aircraft, they have to ask permission from uncle sam. it kind of reminds you when you're trying to drive your dad's car to the shop 4 the first time, does it
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Being tight on budget we need to acquire value for money weaponry. All the 3 branches of our ATM have immediate need to develop new capabilities and replace EOL equipments, and they need them now and not 20-30 years later.

Case study - our tank program. The army has requested tank for more than like 20 years? Due to limited budget the army has to make do with an up-gun Scorpion recon vehicles. Only recently we manage to acquire a limited quantity of MBT. We spent quite a sum to develop custom PT-91M, an old design chassis with modern electronic systems. The cost inclusive of integration development could almost allow us to purchase Abram M-1 for same qty. It make sense to pay for the development cost if we're to purchase hundreds of PT-91M but true to the tradition of Mindef, there has been talk (i'm not sure if it has been already a decision) to stop at 48 tanks and we will choose another model for future requirement. WTF! Why we spent so much to get the most sophisticated electronic into the old design chassis and stop at 48. We could have purchased hundreds of off-the-shelf tanks for the same sum. We see the same trend in the Navy as well. In response, SAF purchased secondhand Leopard tank at value for money and the TNI did tried do the same but unsuccesful due to objection from producer country. Looks like our Armored Brigade will take a couple more RMK to finally come to full strength, hopefully not after the navy got their LCS by year 2020.

I can go on ranting about the same thing hitting our Navy but let me stop here for now.
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you simply don't get it,don't you

in case you bring in the MBT issue,the issue arose in the eighties.thus there are interest in acquiring Argentinian TAM medium tank

but that time,the need to combat insurgency is at it's height(post emergency era),thus the government went for Sibmas instead.it has the 90mm variant(which is enough for direct support fire) and could transport a full infantry section.

in the nineties,the need arose again,due to MAF in transition from counter insurgency to conventional army.what held us? the 1997 economic crisis.

and then in the 2000. if you don't know,the army already conducted trial and test for not 1 MBT,but 3(PT-91,K1 88 and T-90). since you bring up the M1 and leopard issue.what is in them that PT-91M lacks? you should know that for the price of basic second hand Leopard 2A4,you could purchase a newly built,fully upgraded PT-91M at lower cost. those price you saw,are included the spare parts,ammunition, logistic support,etc

and do you think the government are that stupid to buy such equipment in bulk? MAF doesn't have a thorough doctrine about MBT yet.that's why they are learning and developing the doctrine about MBT and these initial batch of PT-91M will be the base for the development of said doctrine
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Being tight on budget we need to acquire value for money weaponry. All the 3 branches of our ATM have immediate need to develop new capabilities and replace EOL equipments, and they need them now and not 20-30 years later.

Case study - our tank program. The army has requested tank for more than like 20 years? Due to limited budget the army has to make do with an up-gun Scorpion recon vehicles. Only recently we manage to acquire a limited quantity of MBT. We spent quite a sum to develop custom PT-91M, an old design chassis with modern electronic systems. The cost inclusive of integration development could almost allow us to purchase Abram M-1 for same qty. It make sense to pay for the development cost if we're to purchase hundreds of PT-91M but true to the tradition of Mindef, there has been talk (i'm not sure if it has been already a decision) to stop at 48 tanks and we will choose another model for future requirement. WTF! Why we spent so much to get the most sophisticated electronic into the old design chassis and stop at 48. We could have purchased hundreds of off-the-shelf tanks for the same sum. We see the same trend in the Navy as well. In response, SAF purchased secondhand Leopard tank at value for money and the TNI did tried do the same but unsuccesful due to objection from producer country. Looks like our Armored Brigade will take a couple more RMK to finally come to full strength, hopefully not after the navy got their LCS by year 2020.

I can go on ranting about the same thing hitting our Navy but let me stop here for now.
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why not, this is an open discussion right?

Not until the early 90s Malaysia war doctrine is COIN, only after that ATM can afford do be done a new generation transformation.
on MBT, yes twardly has raise some eyebrows when they win the contract, but do give more credit to the chasis of the PT-91 as they are far better then the Iraqi Tanks.
and with 370m I doubt we can have the same quantity of tank if we purchase M1 + during the recent Eks Rhino the Pendekar has perform better than expected.

with all the maneuver done at the estate there is no doubt a heavier tank would have a problem navigating the soil.

btw I also heard about the proposed 2nd type of tanks!
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and do you think the government are that stupid to buy such equipment in bulk? MAF doesn't have a thorough doctrine about MBT yet.that's why they are learning and developing the doctrine about MBT and these initial batch of PT-91M will be the base for the development of said doctrine
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That is besides my point. Why do you want to spent money on the development of a new variant of PT-91 when you just want to buy a limited qty to develop a doctrine? You do that only when you want to buy in large qty. You're wasting money that could have been used on other pressing requirement. For future purchase, you're going to buy a new model and the whole money wasting process would start all over again. "You" here is refering to MA/Mindef.

Why did they previously refers the Scorpion regiment 11 KAD as tank regiment and not cavalry regiment? In the old days they are trying to develop tank doctrine using Scorpion and Stormer.
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why not, this is an open discussion right?

Not until the early 90s Malaysia war doctrine is COIN, only after that ATM can afford do be done a new generation transformation.
on MBT, yes twardly has raise some eyebrows when they win the contract, but do give more credit to the chasis of the PT-91 as they are far better then the Iraqi Tanks.
and with 370m I doubt we can have the same quantity of tank if we purchase M1 + during the recent Eks Rhino the Pendekar has perform better than expected.

with all the maneuver done at the estate there is no doubt a heavier tank would have a problem navigating the soil.

btw I also heard about the proposed 2nd type of tanks!
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I'm not questioning the capability of Pendekar but the MA/Mindef in spending the extra money to develop a sophisticated equipment but purchase a limited qty. If the performance is so good, we should buy more and not thinking about buying another model that would repeat the same process again. We should expect lower unit price from repeat order but not after a laps of 10 years or more.
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I'm not questioning the capability of Pendekar but the MA/Mindef in spending the extra money to develop a sophisticated equipment but purchase a limited qty. If the performance is so good, we should buy more and not thinking about buying another model that would repeat the same process again. We should expect lower unit price from repeat order but not after a laps of 10 years or more.
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there is a talk of Batch 2 of Pendekar for at least 80 unit but along the line I never heard of a new model a considered for batch 2. Sure the Korean K1 come into the picture more than once but if there is not LOA might as well see what other company want to offer!
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QUOTE(kimyee73 @ Jan 5 2012, 11:05 AM)
I'm not questioning the capability of Pendekar but the MA/Mindef in spending the extra money to develop a sophisticated equipment but purchase a limited qty. If the performance is so good, we should buy more and not thinking about buying another model that would repeat the same process again. We should expect lower unit price from repeat order but not after a laps of 10 years or more.
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I dun think they wanted to try it huge quantity as starting line yet.
I dun think they will buy another model.
However when RFP were sent, some other manufacture might want to try their luck propose their product.
The korean for sure wanted to try their luck.
Anyway the 2nd batch also might include some upgrade for the current PT-91M. Also 2nd batch pt-91 might come with slight differ setup and enhancement.
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there is a talk of Batch 2 of Pendekar for at least 80 unit but along the line I never heard of a new model a considered for batch 2. Sure the Korean K1 come into the picture more than once but if there is not LOA might as well see what other company want to offer!
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I thought they wanted to have at least 200 units.
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I thought they wanted to have at least 200 units.
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IINM 80 for 2nd batch!
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IINM 80 for 2nd batch!
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Ic, anyway I heard that we need at least 200 units to be able to protect entire Malaysia.
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SGPV + 2nd batch Pendekar + AV8 + new fighter. Hopefully next GE not screw this up.

I am not well verse in tank doctrine. How army will placed the whole (if we get 200 tanks) them to fully protect Malaysia? Divide them, or stay in one place? Care to explain tanks' doctrine, please. Since Malaysia is a nearly forest country, I heard that Pendekar do well, but what about K1?
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Seeing the pattern from the last 2,3 year each branch got RM10 Billion to be spend
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SGPV + 2nd batch Pendekar + AV8 + new fighter. Hopefully next GE not screw this up.

I am not well verse in tank doctrine. How army will placed the whole (if we get 200 tanks) them to fully protect Malaysia? Divide them, or stay in one place? Care to explain tanks' doctrine, please. Since Malaysia is a nearly forest country, I heard that Pendekar do well, but what about K1?
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No K1 plz.
Pendekar is more than enough. Better yet Tot them so we can build, make spare part and everything ourselves.
Now they should have more experience in using tanks. they should know what to enhance for the tanks.

I think they are going to divide them. hope they able to get more than 200 of them.
100 in Sabah
100 in peninsular
50 in Sarawak
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Seeing the pattern from the last 2,3 year each branch got RM10 Billion to be spend
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dah buat kiraan kita mempunya sekurang-kurangnya USD9bil beli barang untuk 1 RMK.

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I dun think they wanted to try it huge quantity as starting line yet.
I dun think they will buy another model.
However when RFP were sent, some other manufacture might want to try their luck propose their product.
The korean for sure wanted to try their luck.
Anyway the 2nd batch also might include some upgrade for the current PT-91M. Also 2nd batch pt-91 might come with slight differ setup and enhancement.
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It's quite normal to have slight upgrades for newer batch but opening up the door for other contenders is not my idea of follow-up order..
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It's quite normal to have slight upgrades for newer batch but opening up the door for other contenders is not my idea of follow-up order..
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I'm not sure though they would do that.
I'm too disagree if they are going for differ type of tank.
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IINM 80 for 2nd batch!
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What a strange number. We need 2 regiments for armored brigade and finally possibly another reg for 4 BDE Mech. With a regiment comprised of 48 tanks, the extra 32 could be for spare or strategic reserve, or maybe the army has change its tank regiment composition.
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sorry correction another 40+ for second batch!
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Lockheed Martin's 2012 calendar -- which your blogger received in the mail but casually deposited, unopened, in the trash -- contained the company's first concept design for a sixth generation fighter to succeed the F-22 after 2030.

Call her "Miss February".

The US Air Force has already started the search for the F-X fighter to replace the F-22 after 2030. Boeing and Northrop Grumman have already revealed their concept designs. But the conceptual ideas of the USAF's sole fighter supplier had been a closely guarded mystery. Conceptual aircraft designs should not be mistaken for prototype blueprints, but they do offer some insight into the starting assumptions and philosophies.

We asked Lockheed to describe the philosophy behind this concept drawing. Here is the company's emailed response in full:

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This concept originates from our Advanced Development Programs group called the Skunk Works®. The Skunk Works primary objective is to aggressively pursue next generation technology programs and conduct research and development that will allow it to rapidly respond to customer needs. U.S. 5th generation fighters are now operational with the F-22 in the USAF and F-35 soon to be operational for USAF, USN, USMC and our international partners. As with the 4th generation fighters (F-15, F-16, F-18), 5th Gen is poised for growth, and will go through a process of capability upgrades over their service lives. As such, they will be operationally relevant for decades to come. Even with that, it is time to start looking at the technologies that will provide the next quantum leap in capabilities for the next generation of fighters (IOC ~ 2030+). Simply removing the pilot from an aircraft or introducing incremental improvements in signature and range does not constitute a generational leap in capability. These improvements are already being looked at for our 5th generation fighters.



Future fighter requirements are not set and will depend on assessments of future threats that may emerge in the 2030 time frame. Greatly increased speed, longer range, extended loiter times, multi-spectral stealth, ubiquitous situation awareness, and self-healing structures and systems are some of the possible technologies we envision for the next generation of fighter aircraft. Next generation fighter capabilities will be driven by game changing technological breakthroughs in the areas of propulsion, materials, power generation, sensors, and weapons that are yet to be fully imagined. This will require another significant investment in research and development from a standpoint of both time and money. We will continue to investigate technologies that demonstrate great promise, and work closely with our customers to define the future operational concepts and requirements that the next generation of fighter aircraft must fulfill. 

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usually when a country deploy their mothership or a flagship to war, how many destroyer and frigates or other ship is used to protect it, do they encircle the main ship or act as a vanguard
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That is besides my point. Why do you want to spent money on the development of a new variant of PT-91 when you just want to buy a limited qty to develop a doctrine? You do that only when you want to buy in large qty. You're wasting money that could have been used on other pressing requirement. For future purchase, you're going to buy a new model and the whole money wasting process would start all over again. "You" here is refering to MA/Mindef.

Why did they previously refers the Scorpion regiment 11 KAD as tank regiment and not cavalry regiment? In the old days they are trying to develop tank doctrine using Scorpion and Stormer.
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that's called familiarization.during the eighties,before the acquisition of Sibmas and Condor,the only "armor" that the army have is V-100,ferret scout vehicle, and some other platform(Saracen,etc). they were called "armor" because they detached themselves from the infantry,unlike "mechanized" units,which,the purpose is to transport the infantry

back to the main issue?again i bring out the 2A4 issue you said previously.A baseline 2A4 costs comparatively more than a newly built PT-91M. so why bother buying second hand stuff. even the singaporean spends (or "wasted"according to your view) tons of money to upgrade their 2A4 to suit their own need.is that a waste? you tell them

doctrine doesn't come overnight.them scorpion CVRT is a good start,but they cannot substitute for a real Main Battle tanks.

besides everything has their own budgets. the navy got their own budget. the army got their own budget, and the airforce got their own budget
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usually when a country deploy their mothership or a flagship to war, how many destroyer and frigates or other ship is used to protect it, do they encircle the main ship or act as a vanguard
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Different country have different approach of Carrier Battle Group (CVBG)
for example we take US Air Craft carrier, there is always 1 Aircraft Carrier, 2 Guided Missile Cruisers, 2 Anti Aircraft Warships, and 1-2 Anti Submarine Destroyers or Frigate and a support ships.

While the French usually have
2 ASW ship, at least 2 AAD ship and one frigate for forward patrol and one supply ship.

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that's called familiarization.during the eighties,before the acquisition of Sibmas and Condor,the only "armor" that the army have is V-100,ferret scout vehicle, and some other platform(Saracen,etc). they were called "armor" because they detached themselves from the infantry,unlike "mechanized" units,which,the purpose is to transport the infantry

back to the main issue?again i bring out the 2A4 issue you said previously.A baseline 2A4 costs comparatively more than a newly built PT-91M. so why bother buying second hand stuff. even the singaporean spends (or "wasted"according to your view) tons of money to upgrade their 2A4 to suit their own need.is that a waste? you tell them

doctrine doesn't come overnight.them scorpion CVRT is a good start,but they cannot substitute for a real Main Battle tanks.

besides everything has their own budgets. the navy got their own budget. the army got their own budget, and the airforce got their own budget
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I do not know where is your source for 2ndhand Leo 2A4 cost more than PT-91M. Maybe you can share the source so we all can learn here. From past reports which should be available from internet, each PT-91M costing US$4.5m and the rest of US$154m maybe went to cost fo support vehicles, logistic support, BMS and integration development cost. That was in 2004. Unit cost of M-1 Abrams was US$4.3m and by 1999 it went upward of US5m each. By 2004, maybe it would be higher but I'm not advocating us to buy Abrams as it may not be suitable for our terrain. My point is per unit cost of PT-91M was so high that you could almost purchase Abrams for same quantity given our budget of US$370m.

As for SAF Leo 2GS, the Leo 2A4 cost was never disclosed but believe to be around $1m each. Upgrading were mostly done by STK which benefit S'pore defence industry and I would think the upgrade cost would not be higher than our US$4.5m unless you have the source indicating otherwise. In comparison, the 2ndhand Leo 2A6 that would have been sold to TNI were quoted at US$2.8m each.
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Ukrainian State Company for Export and Import of Military and Special Products and Services (Ukrspetseksport), which is a part of the Ukroboronprom state concern, intends to supply 49 T-84 Oplot tanks to Thailand.

He said a statement made by Volodymyr Kuratchenko, deputy director general of Ukroboronprom, in Kharkiv that enterprise will supply close to 100 tanks to Thailand was a mistake.

Volodymyr Kuratchenko told the press in Kharkiv that the execution of the contract will begin in 2012 and will be completed in 2014.

He said the execution of the contract will allow the Kharkiv Malyshev Plant to boost production volume 10 times in 2012 over 2011.

He did not specify a sum of the contract.

Mykola Belov, acting director general of the Kharkiv Malyshev Plant, told Ukrainian News the Cabinet of Ministers allocated UAH 40.2 million in December to the plant for preparing the execution of this and other contracts concerning production of tanks and armored personnel carriers.

Chief Designer Volodymyr Vakulenko told the press some 40 changes will be introduced in the design on demands from the customer, including installation of air conditioners.

As Ukrainian News reported, Ukrspetseksport on September 1 signed a contract with the Defense Ministry of Thailand to deliver 49 Oplot tanks for a sum exceeding USD 200 million.

On August 5, Ukrspetseksport reached agreement with Thailand for manufacture of 121 pieces of
BTR-3E1 armored personnel carriers and support vehicles based on them worth a total of more than USD 140 million.

Ukrspetseksport is part of the Ukroboronprom state-run concern, which also comprising enterprises producing military hardware, including tank-building enterprises.

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AUSTRALIA may be forced to purchase more Super Hornet fighter-bombers to prevent a capability gap in the nation's air defences if work on the Joint Strike Fighter is further delayed due to a new US military strategy and budget plan.

Ambassador to the US Kim Beazley, who received a comprehensive briefing from American officials about the changes, conceded production of the stealthy, multi-role JSF now named the F-35 Lightning II may be impacted by the shift to a leaner US military.

"The meaning of what the President (Barack Obama) and (US Defence Secretary Leon) Panetta have had to say for the F35 program is not that there won't be one but that perhaps in the long term the numbers might change and come down bit," Mr Beazley, former defence minister from 1984-90, told ABC News.

"I don't expect that out of this will emerge delays to a successful conclusion of the project but it may have an impact on the cost structure. The impact on delivery, paradoxically, will probably be quite useful."

Australia plans to buy up to 100 F-35s for an estimated $16 billion and has so far ordered 14, with the RAAF's first squadron supposed to be operating by 2018.

Asked if Australia could fill the gap if the F-35s were not ready by that time by buying more Super Hornet fighter-bombers Mr Beazley indicated that was a possibility.

"Well that's of course for defence ministers rather than ambassadors to say but he is always, (Defence Minister Stephen) Smith has always made clear that he keeps options open in terms of addressing any capability gaps," Mr Beazley said.

Development of the revolutionary JSF was already running behind schedule in April last year when The Australian revealed the RAAF was contemplating purchasing 18 more Super Hornets for $1.5bn to fill the gap.

It is understood delivery may be pushed back even further when the proposed US defence budget for 2013 is announced in coming weeks. The budget is expected to detail $487bn in spending cuts and call for a slowing of the pace of production for the F-35 jet.

The Howard government bought 24 Super Hornets for $6bn in 2007 to fill an earlier strategic gap left when the RAAF's F-111 bombers were withdrawn ahead of time because of concerns about fatigue.

But the announcement overnight, which included a new strategic focus towards the Asia-Pacific, may mean Australia could need even more Super Hornets.

"The Americans are very clear that as they proceed with the F35 program they're under close watch by the Australian government and if at any point of time a risk develops to the capacity for Australia to be satisfied with the forcing being that it has for the air defence of Australia then the Australian government will take action," Mr Beazley said.

US company Lockheed Martin Corporation is building the F-35s which are packed with sophisticated radars and other electronic equipment.

The original plan was for Lockheed to build 2443 JSFs for various arms of the American forces with about 500 others going to allies including Britain, Australia, Israel and Canada.

British Defence Minister Philip Hammond today voiced concern about possible cuts or delays in the F-35 fighter program.

Mr Hammond, who is currently visiting Washington, said he would like to speak with Mr Panetta about the impact the US announcement could have on the JSF.

"One of the things I hope to understand in the meetings I am to have later today is what, if any, impact the announcements being made today will have on the Joint Strike Fighter program," Mr Hammond said.

Opposition defence spokesman David Johnston told The Australian Online he was "not concerned" that the progress of the JSF program would be hindered by the US announcement.

However he said America's shifted focus on the Asia-Pacific region would place extra responsibility on Australia.

"Australia is now under the microscope to step up," Senator Johnston said.

"With the current state of the navy and the disinterest of our Prime Minister in defence issues we are at risk of being found wanting."

Acting Defence Minister Warren Snowdon referred The Australian Online to Mr Beazley's comments.

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The JL-9G was developed by the Guizhou Aircraft Industry Corporation (GAIC) as a modified version of the JL-9/JJ-9/FTC-2000 (Fighter Trainer China-2000) to train the People's Liberation Army Naval Air Force (PLANAF) pilots for aircraft carrier borne operations.

The JL-9G naval fighter jet trainer features strengthened landing gears,tail hook, DSI (Diverterless Supersonic Inlet) and Leading edge slaps and leading edge root extensions.

The People's Liberation Army Air Force (PLAAF) version of the JL-9 has a maximum takeoff weight of 9,800kg, its maximum speed is 1.6 Mach and ferry range with external fuel tanks is 2,500 kilometers. The JL-9/FTC-2000 fighter jet trainer can also act as a light attack aircraft. It can carry up to 2000 kg of weapons including air to air missiles and for ground attack it can carry unguided rockets and bombs.



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I do not know where is your source for 2ndhand Leo 2A4 cost more than PT-91M. Maybe you can share the source so we all can learn here. From past reports which should be available from internet, each PT-91M costing US$4.5m and the rest of US$154m maybe went to cost fo support vehicles, logistic support, BMS and integration development cost. That was in 2004. Unit cost of M-1 Abrams was US$4.3m and by 1999 it went upward of US5m each. By 2004, maybe it would be higher but I'm not advocating us to buy Abrams as it may not be suitable for our terrain. My point is per unit cost of PT-91M was so high that you could almost purchase Abrams for same quantity given our budget of US$370m.

As for SAF Leo 2GS, the Leo 2A4 cost was never disclosed but believe to be around $1m each. Upgrading were mostly done by STK which benefit S'pore defence industry and I would think the upgrade cost would not be higher than our US$4.5m unless you have the source indicating otherwise. In comparison, the 2ndhand Leo 2A6 that would have been sold to TNI were quoted at US$2.8m each.
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do you mind giving the source of Leo 2a4 cost about 1mil.
it is very hard to believe it will be around that price.

2nd I doubt 2nd leo 2A6 will be that cheap as well.
well the news qoute at that price but it didn't even went into deals discussion with both parties involves.
an it only merely state that their government will prepare USD280mil for the tanks however the price tag will be a differ story if the both government decide to goes into the deal.
unfortunately the deal were block due to human right issue. laugh.gif
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Turkey approved the purchase of an initial two Lockheed Martin F-35s during a 5 January meeting of its Undersecretariat of Defence Industries (SSM), launching the start of its air force's next-generation fighter project.

"Turkey has been a member of the Joint Strike Fighter [JSF] project since 1999. According to the developments, SSM decided to order two F-35s which are planned to start delivery in 2015," the organisation said. "SSM will continue negotiating over the remaining aircraft according to developments in the JSF project."

Ankara plans to eventually buy 116 F-35A Lighting II aircraft to replace its McDonnell Douglas F-4E Phantoms and Block 30-standard Lockheed F-16s.

The SSM also approved an air force order for 10 Turkish Aerospace Industries Anka medium-altitude, long-endurance unmanned air vehicles (development example pictured below) and three ground control stations. The Bell 429 has been selected for a 15-aircraft deal to replace Aerospatiale-built Alouette II helicopters flown by the Turkish police.

Negotiations have also been launched with Turkey's Kale Aero Group to develop a turbojet engine for the Tubitak Sage-designed modular stand-off missile. The roughly 600kg (1,300lb) cruise missile design has been offered as a possible candidate weapon for the nation's F-35s.

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I do not know where is your source for 2ndhand Leo 2A4 cost more than PT-91M. Maybe you can share the source so we all can learn here. From past reports which should be available from internet, each PT-91M costing US$4.5m and the rest of US$154m maybe went to cost fo support vehicles, logistic support, BMS and integration development cost. That was in 2004. Unit cost of M-1 Abrams was US$4.3m and by 1999 it went upward of US5m each. By 2004, maybe it would be higher but I'm not advocating us to buy Abrams as it may not be suitable for our terrain. My point is per unit cost of PT-91M was so high that you could almost purchase Abrams for same quantity given our budget of US$370m.

As for SAF Leo 2GS, the Leo 2A4 cost was never disclosed but believe to be around $1m each. Upgrading were mostly done by STK which benefit S'pore defence industry and I would think the upgrade cost would not be higher than our US$4.5m unless you have the source indicating otherwise. In comparison, the 2ndhand Leo 2A6 that would have been sold to TNI were quoted at US$2.8m each.
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1 million each? FYI the brazillian got their leopard 1A5 for aroud 1.5 to 2 mil each. and they bought like 150 of them
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India's Cabinet Committee on Security has authorised a deal to equip the country's Dassault Mirage 2000 fighters with MBDA Mica air-to-air missiles, although the deal has yet to be officially signed.

In an email, MBDA confirmed a deal for infrared and active radar guided versions of the weapon has been authorised by India's cabinet. No other details were provided.

News of the authorisation first appeared on Indian news websites on 5 January, citing unnamed sources. The reports suggested the deal values at about $1.2 billion for 450 to 500 missiles, although MBDA declined to comment on either figure. However, if accurate the buy would work out at a cost of approximately $2.7 million per round.

The missile purchase is related to India's July 2011 deal to upgrade 51 of its air force's Mirage 2000H aircraft to Dassault's Mirage 2000-9 standard. The cost of this deal, reportedly $2.2 billion, has drawn criticism in Indian defence circles.

Meanwhile, Indian media have reported that the nation's defence ministry has postponed announcing the winner of the air force's medium multi-role combat aircraft contest until late January.

Sources are reported as saying that Indian officials are still reviewing the commercial proposals for the 126-aircraft requirement. The Dassault Rafale and Eurofighter Typhoon are in contention.

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The Avenger will support the same weapons as the MQ-9, and carry the Lynx Synthetic aperture radar SAR and a version of the F-35 Lightning II's electro-optical targeting system (EOTS), called the Advanced Low-observable Embedded Reconnaissance Targeting (ALERT) system.[5][6] The Avenger will use the same ground support infrastructure as the MQ-1 and MQ-9, including the ground control station and existing communications networks. so Predator C avenger is the next generation of UCAV?

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According to some unofficial sources from the Russian media, from the beginning of the month 6 / 2011 the Russian side has begun work on two Kilo 636M project class submarines for the Vietnam Navy.

The first will be delivered in 2013. Expected that Russia will hand over to Vietnam annually to a submarine in 2018.

The above information has not been officially confirmed, but according to Mr. Roman Trotsenko, chairman of Admiralty Shipyard, this company is implementing all necessary work to close on time and handed over six submarines for Vietnam orders. "This contract for us not only great value financially, but also has special meaning. We will endeavor to implement 100% of the components of the project ", - Roman Trotsenko statement on the website of the Admiralty Group.

Admiralty has completed the clearance Novoadmiralteysky entire island has an area of ​​16 hectares, construction of schools and facilities for the closure of the Kilo 636M submarines for Vietnam. "We have invested in purchasing new equipment and the best to serve the building of submarines and underwater vehicles at a cost of more than 3 billion rubles," said Roman Trotsenko.

Admiralty Shipyard Group is one of the most prestigious companies in the field of Russian ship with more than 300 years of tradition.

Submarine Project 636 diesel-electric submarine is the third generation and is the modernized version of Project 877 and 877 EKM.

Project 636M (Kilo class) is considered to effectively project combat capability and is one of quiet submarines in the world. It is a combination of optimum target detection range, the inertial navigation, the most advanced information management system, automatically modern weapons with torpedoes, powerful and high speed missiles of at least 4 Club-S missiles, 18 torpedoes and 24 mines.

In addition, the ship also includes shoulder-aircraft missile and weapons of personal combat crew on ships. Submarine Project 636 is designed to destroy submarines and surface ships of the enemy, protect naval bases, ensuring communications, and reconnaissance .

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MALANG - Sebanyak empat dari 16 pesawat tempur Super Tucano A29 buatan Brasil direncanakan tiba pada Maret 2012 untuk melengkapi sistem persenjataan TNI AU di Pangkalan Udara Abdurrahman Saleh, Kabupaten Malang, Jawa Timur. Kedatangan pesawat tempur itu akan menggantikan posisi pesawat tempur Oviten-10F Bronco yang sudah tidak akan dioperasikan lagi.

"Kami terus menyiapkan pendukung lainnya untuk kedatangan pesawat tempur canggih itu, termasuk pilot khusus yang berusia minimal 24 hingga 35 tahun dan ahli dalam berbahasa Inggris," kata Kepala Dinas Operasi (Kadisops) Pangkalan Udara Abdurrahman Saleh, Kolonel Pnb Novianto Widadi, Minggu (8/1).

Secara umum, Lanud Abdurrahman Saleh siap menyambut kedatangan pesawat baru tersebut. Kesiapan yang sudah dilakukan, meliputi sejumlah fasilitas pendukung di Lanud Abd Saleh, seperti shelter atau tempat lokasi parkir pesawat, serta 12 pilot khusus yang telah dilatih untuk mengawaki pesawat tersebut.

Dengan tibanya pesawat pada bulan Maret, diharapkan nantinya bisa dipertunjukan kepada masyarakat pada peringatan HUT TNI AU tanggal 9 April 2012. Sementara itu, rencananya pesawat tersebut akan digunakan untuk misi operasi taktis dalam membantu pasukan di darat, sebab pesawat itu memiliki keunggulan close air support.

Selain itu, pesawat yang memiliki mesin tunggal buatan "Empresa Braziliera de Aeronautica" juga memiliki kemampuan menembakan asap ke darat secara cepat untuk menunjukkan posisi musuh.

Pesawat itu nantinya tidak hanya digunakan sebagai pesawat latih, namun juga digunakan misi pengamanan wilayah perbatasan, untuk memastikan tidak adanya pelanggaran batas negara oleh pihak lain.

"Total pesawat yang kita pesan sebanyak 16 unit dan pengiriman akan dilakukan secara bertahap, diawali dengan kedatangan empat unit pada Maret 2012, dan akan ditempatkan pada Skuadron 21 Lanud Abdurrahman Saleh," katanya.

Sebelumnya, Kepala Staf TNI AU (Kasau) Marsekal TNI Imam Sufa’at meresmikan monumen OV-10F Bronco di Lanud Abdurrahman Saleh, Malang.

Ini menjadi penanda berakhirnya masa pakai pesawat OV-10 Bronco. OV-10 Bronco telah di-grounded dan akan digantikan dengan pesawat tempur Super Tucano. Sesaat sebelum peresmian, Kasau menyampaikan harapannya agar dengan memonumenkan pesawat yang memiliki julukan "si kuda liar" atau biasa disebut kampret di jajaran TNI AU ini dapat menjadi sarana untuk mengenang kiprahnya dalam medan laga dan para awak yang telah gugur bersamanya.

OV-10 Bronco telah berjasa di berbagai operasi, antara lain Ops Seroja (1976-1979) di NTT, Ops Tumpas (1977-1978) di Irian Jaya, dan Ops Halilintar (1978) di Riau. Setelah peresmian monumen, Kasau beserta rombongan meninjau Skadron Udara 21 untuk pembangunan shelter pesawat Super Tucano yang akan datang menggantikan pesawat gaek OV-10F Bronco. SB/Ant/P-3

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they kacau everyday, ask our navy guy, everyday their recon boat patrol down SEA seas
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Pesawat itu nantinya tidak hanya digunakan sebagai pesawat latih, namun juga digunakan misi pengamanan wilayah perbatasan, untuk memastikan tidak adanya pelanggaran batas negara oleh pihak lain
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kind of funny, need to utilized evrything they got even training aircraft.
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arms race staring?
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QUOTE(Naskah @ Jan 9 2012, 02:42 PM)
kind of funny, need to utilized evrything they got even training aircraft.
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its cheap,tough as balls,long loiter time and a fairly good payload.whats so bad?

in a firefight these things are godsends

the super tucano was never meant to be a trainer in TNI-AU

the RMAF uses the BAE Hawk for light attack
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QUOTE(heavyduty @ Jan 9 2012, 03:37 PM)
its cheap,tough as balls,long loiter time and a fairly good payload.whats so bad?

in a firefight these things are godsends

the super tucano was never meant to be a trainer in TNI-AU

the RMAF uses the BAE Hawk for light attack
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really? does propeller aircraft still practical in modern warfare?
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QUOTE(Naskah @ Jan 9 2012, 03:40 PM)
really? does propeller aircraft still practical in modern warfare?
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QUOTE(ichi_24 @ Jan 9 2012, 04:23 PM)
i think for infantry support or something similar hmm.gif
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QUOTE(yinchet @ Jan 7 2012, 12:59 PM)
do you mind giving the source of Leo 2a4 cost about 1mil.
it is very hard to believe it will be around that price.

2nd I doubt 2nd leo 2A6 will be that cheap as well.
well the news qoute at that price but it didn't even went into deals discussion with both parties involves.
an it only merely state that their government will prepare USD280mil for the tanks however the price tag will be a differ story if the both government decide to goes into the deal.
unfortunately the deal were block due to human right issue. laugh.gif
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SAF Leo 2A4 around $1m - source
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While price was not disclosed in the Singapore deal, the surplus Leopards are being sold at “fire-sale prices” that can hover in the $1 million per vehicle range, as opposed to the $5+ million per vehicle one must expect for modern Western contemporaries.


Holland offer to Indon at $2.8m for Leo 2A6 - source
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We had initially proposed US$280 million for 44 units. And so, it was allocated. What happened was when our team returned from the Netherlands, we learned we got 100 units. We felt very lucky, and why not?

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QUOTE(kimyee73 @ Jan 9 2012, 04:59 PM)
SAF Leo 2A4 around $1m - source
Holland offer to Indon at $2.8m for Leo 2A6 - source
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Even the far-inferior T-72 has difficulty competing at this level, and the only thing keeping Leopard sales from jumping far beyond the European continent has been restrictive German arms export policies.


Wow. SAF got a very nice deal themselves. I doubt we can get the same deal. hmm.gif
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SAF Leo 2A4 around $1m - source
Holland offer to Indon at $2.8m for Leo 2A6 - source
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Does this include the estimated cost when upgrading the tanks?
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Does this include the estimated cost when upgrading the tanks?
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he said the upgrade cost is $4.5m

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Upgrading were mostly done by STK which benefit S'pore defence industry and I would think the upgrade cost would not be higher than our US$4.5m unless you have the source indicating otherwise.
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each tank?

so there you go!
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QUOTE(Naskah @ Jan 9 2012, 03:40 PM)
really? does propeller aircraft still practical in modern warfare?
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for COIN operations yes
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the island is still practically in conflict with the FPM.
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QUOTE(zimhibikie @ Jan 9 2012, 04:30 PM)
but then, its easy target for Manpads..
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its gonna face the same threat as attack helos

regardless,those separatists don't have modern SAM or attack aircrafts
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QUOTE(AKace @ Jan 9 2012, 06:42 PM)
he said the upgrade cost is $4.5m
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Pls don't misquote me. I said I think the upgrade cost should not be higher than $4.5m we paid for Pendekar in response to ayanami_tard's claim that the 2ndhand cost of Leo 2A4 is already higher than a brand new Pendekar. With the cost of $1m each for Leo 2A4 and expected cheaper cost of locally upgrades, as I'm saying from the beginning that we're paying quite a high cost for Pendekar as compared to SAF Leo 2SG.

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and then in the 2000. if you don't know,the army already conducted trial and test for not 1 MBT,but 3(PT-91,K1 88 and T-90). since you bring up the M1 and leopard issue.what is in them that PT-91M lacks? you should know that for the price of basic second hand Leopard 2A4,you could purchase a newly built,fully upgraded PT-91M at lower cost. those price you saw,are included the spare parts,ammunition, logistic support,etc
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^ whatever it is PT-91M is going to be in ours inventory for years to comes.
hope they can bring the MBT potential to another height on the next batch.
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Let me see what else the Army is asking for

- a hundred more MBT for additional 2 tank regiments
- a few hundreds more AV-8 on top of 257 ordered to completely replace our Condor and Sibmas
- a squadron of attack chopper and a bunch of transport helicopters to form the air calvary corps. taking over the old nuri for this purpose is not a kind idea
- two variant of SPH, track and wheel

anything else? If we're to spend top $$ for every single purchase, fulfilling the above requests would take eternity. there has to be a balance between our pursuit of quality, quantity, timeline and developing local defense industry.
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QUOTE(kimyee73 @ Jan 10 2012, 11:26 AM)
Let me see what else the Army is asking for

- a hundred more MBT for additional 2 tank regiments
- a few hundreds more AV-8 on top of 257 ordered to completely replace our Condor and Sibmas
- a squadron of attack chopper and a bunch of transport helicopters to form the air calvary corps. taking over the old nuri for this purpose is not a kind idea
- two variant of SPH, track and wheel

anything else? If we're to spend top $$ for every single purchase, fulfilling the above requests would take eternity. there has to be a balance between our pursuit of quality, quantity, timeline and developing local defense industry.
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ec725 will take over the nuri but some of the nuri will stay and went through some upgrade to cont their service.
I dun think they want 2 variant SPH. also I dun think it will be in the inventory any time soon. the same to AH as well.

MBT and AV8 next batch will wait next RMK perhaps. hmm.gif
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QUOTE(kimyee73 @ Jan 10 2012, 11:26 AM)
Let me see what else the Army is asking for

- a hundred more MBT for additional 2 tank regiments
- a few hundreds more AV-8 on top of 257 ordered to completely replace our Condor and Sibmas
- a squadron of attack chopper and a bunch of transport helicopters to form the air calvary corps. taking over the old nuri for this purpose is not a kind idea
- two variant of SPH, track and wheel

anything else? If we're to spend top $$ for every single purchase, fulfilling the above requests would take eternity. there has to be a balance between our pursuit of quality, quantity, timeline and developing local defense industry.
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It is fair, as the Army who has the less new equipment since end of COIN warfare at the early 90s!
unlike other department that were giving asset.
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the AV8 and PUTD program are necessities

the condor looks like a 50 year old african prostitute
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QUOTE(yinchet @ Jan 10 2012, 11:34 AM)
ec725 will take over the nuri but some of the nuri will stay and went through some upgrade to cont their service.
I dun think they want 2 variant SPH. also I dun think it will be in the inventory any time soon. the same to AH as well.

MBT and AV8 next batch will wait next RMK perhaps. hmm.gif
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From what I heard, the Army wanted 2 variant of SPH, wheeled and tracked. Wheeled SPH for accompanying infantry while tracked for accompanying armor. Cesar for wheeled while K1 Thunder for tracked was the prefered ones..
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From what I heard, the Army wanted 2 variant of SPH, wheeled and tracked. Wheeled SPH for accompanying infantry while tracked for accompanying armor. Cesar for wheeled while K1 Thunder for tracked was the prefered ones..
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Ic, that would made the whole procurement even larger.
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QUOTE(zimhibikie @ Jan 10 2012, 02:29 PM)
From what I heard, the Army wanted 2 variant of SPH, wheeled and tracked. Wheeled SPH for accompanying infantry while tracked for accompanying armor. Cesar for wheeled while K1 Thunder for tracked was the prefered ones..
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Not only that, the wheeled SPH has to be light enough to put on transport plane to accompany 10 BDE.
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Ic, that would made the whole procurement even larger.
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but with 2 variant, I bet the number to be procured maybe small. Could be about 8-10 wheeled SPH, and around 20 tracked SPH..I heard SG's locally build tracked SPH is quite good and light..
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QUOTE(yinchet @ Jan 10 2012, 11:34 AM)
ec725 will take over the nuri but some of the nuri will stay and went through some upgrade to cont their service.
I dun think they want 2 variant SPH. also I dun think it will be in the inventory any time soon. the same to AH as well.

MBT and AV8 next batch will wait next RMK perhaps. hmm.gif
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I do not think ec725 CSAR can completely take over from Nuri. A very good chopper but I would prefer AW101 tho. Problem is too few of them to go around and using CSAR for utility transport is a waste of resource. Upgrading the Nuri is just stretching it too much. Mindef should bought limited qty of CSAR variant to satisfy RMAF demand and the rest should be utility variant which is cheaper and can get a bit more qty.
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QUOTE(kimyee73 @ Jan 10 2012, 05:06 PM)
I do not think ec725 CSAR can completely take over from Nuri. A very good chopper but I would prefer AW101 tho. Problem is too few of them to go around and using CSAR for utility transport is a waste of resource. Upgrading the Nuri is just stretching it too much. Mindef should bought limited qty of CSAR variant to satisfy RMAF demand and the rest should be utility variant which is cheaper and can get a bit more qty.
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Nope, Cougar wont take all Nuri's job, but they will operate more in the Borneo.
as you know Nuri comes in IINM 6 batch, the 1st 2 has been retired phased by phased so there is still good nuri in RMAF.

Maybe transport variant Cougar in the future perhaps?
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QUOTE(zimhibikie @ Jan 10 2012, 05:04 PM)
but with 2 variant, I bet the number to be procured maybe small. Could be about 8-10 wheeled SPH, and around 20 tracked SPH..I heard SG's locally build tracked SPH is quite good and light..
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Yes, Primus is a pretty good one at abt 28 tonnes but we will never buy anything from SG.
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Nope, Cougar wont take all Nuri's job, but they will operate more in the Borneo.
as you know Nuri comes in IINM 6 batch, the 1st 2 has been retired phased by phased so there is still good nuri in RMAF.

Maybe transport variant Cougar in the future perhaps?
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Do you know if they have settled on who should be in charge of tactical troop transport, RMAF or Army? Wondering whether there is still plan to transfer Nuri to the PUTD.
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Yes, Primus is a pretty good one at abt 28 tonnes but we will never buy anything from SG.
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Thats a pity, coz I see no wrong in buying weapons like the Primus from SG..I dun think will sell us inferior Primus, SG pun want to maintain good manufacturing credibility.
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Do you know if they have settled on who should be in charge of tactical troop transport, RMAF or Army? Wondering whether there is still plan to transfer Nuri to the PUTD.
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AF, and I the last time I heard Nuri wont go to Army!
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QUOTE(kimyee73 @ Jan 10 2012, 05:06 PM)
I do not think ec725 CSAR can completely take over from Nuri. A very good chopper but I would prefer AW101 tho. Problem is too few of them to go around and using CSAR for utility transport is a waste of resource. Upgrading the Nuri is just stretching it too much. Mindef should bought limited qty of CSAR variant to satisfy RMAF demand and the rest should be utility variant which is cheaper and can get a bit more qty.
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they can always opt for a non CSAR version.
if they want to open for other heli
AW101, NH90, S-92 as possible candidate.

anyway Nuri might stay for sometimes.

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Typhoon costs nearly £85,000 per hour fly!!!??? wtfff can buy house...while super tucano only £500 rclxub.gif

RAF urged to cut ‘Cold War’ new jets for cheap propeller aircraft

Tom Coghlan, Defence Correspondent
January 22, 2010
The RAF is under pressure to cut its multibillion-pound orders for fast jets in favour of cheaper propeller aircraft as part of a review of defence spending. The suggestion, from General Sir David Richards, has ignited a debate that pitches the head of the Army against his opposite numbers in the other two Services.
General Richards, Chief of the General Staff, believes that the Super Tucano offers a cost-effective alternative to fast jets such as the Cold War-era Eurofighter Typhoon in counter-insurgency operations such as those in Afghanistan. Resembling something from the Second World War, a Super Tucano costs about £5 million, a fraction of the £60 million estimated cost of the F35 Joint Strike Fighter ordered for the Royal Navy’s new aircraft carriers or the £67 million of a Typhoon.
A strategic defence review expected after the general election is likely to recommend that each Service’s budget is cut by about 20 per cent.
General Richards has argued that state-on-state confrontations will be largely replaced by counter-insurgency operations in the future, making huge savings possible if the Government is prepared to sacrifice ships and tanks for lighter and cheaper but technically advanced matériel.
Air analysts argue that the Tucano offers a cost-effective platform to which high-tech equipment and munitions can be attached. It is being considered by the US Navy after impressive performance in Colombia, where it is used against FARC rebels.
Paul Beaver, former editor of Jane’s Defence Weekly and a former army helicopter pilot, said: “What David Richards is saying is that the airframe does not need to be superb — you just need to put high-tech sensors and the defensive aids on there. In Afghanistan, there is a reasonably small threat level for aircraft. It is not a replacement for Apache helicopters but it is a complementary capability.” Richard North, a defence analyst and another advocate of the aircraft, said: “The right kit for the sort of wars we are fighting today is a lot cheaper than the high-end kit.”
The Brazilian two-seater Tucano can fly from airstrips and loiter for six and a half hours over the battlefield without refuelling, although it cannot refuel in mid-air. It can carry 1.5 tonnes and uses only £500 of fuel an hour. The Eurofighter Typhoon costs nearly £85,000 an hour to fly. The trainer version is in service with the RAF.
Andrew Brookes, aerospace analyst at the International Institute for Strategic Studies, said: “I think that General Richards has been led astray by people who think that because it is cheap and cheerful it is the answer to the maiden’s prayer. In a Joint Strike Fighter you have a stealthy, magnificent intelligence-gathering platform. No one will see it coming and it could go to downtown Tehran, Pyongyang or maybe even Moscow tomorrow. You can say you would get a lot of Tucanos cheaply but the money for Typhoon and JSF has already been spent and they can be used for the whole spectrum of operations.”
One defence source told The Times: “We neither need, nor can afford the ‘deep persistent operating capability’ associated with attacking stealthily the most heavily defended airspace on Earth. Something like Tucano does the job for irregular warfare [of the future] and is effective and cost-efficient.”
An RAF spokesman said: “We are always seeking the most effective ways of conducting surveillance. The preferred option is currently to use fast jets and unmanned air vehicles because of their ability to stay airborne longer [through air-to-air refuelling] and their greater versatility in providing close air support to troops.”

http://z3.invisionfree.com/Defense_Philipp...?showtopic=6601

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but with 2 variant, I bet the number to be procured maybe small. Could be about 8-10 wheeled SPH, and around 20 tracked SPH..I heard SG's locally build tracked SPH is quite good and light..
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It's light, but it suffer from stability problem.
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It's light, but it suffer from stability problem.
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Really? Maybe its light weight made it abit unstable. I was impressed with K9 Thunder, but it didnt hit its targets after NK artillery hits a SK island..
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Israel Aerospace Industries (IAI) has signed a $1.1 billion deal to supply "defensive and offensive" systems to an undisclosed Asian customer.

Signed earlier this month, the contract covers a range of products, including missiles, unmanned air vehicles and intelligence-gathering systems, plus upgrades to in-service combat aircraft and helicopters. The work will be performed over the next four years, with sources saying that IAI beat competition from a number of European and US companies.

IAI said securing the new contract has boosted the value of its orders backlog to $10 billion.

The timing of the announcement came days after reports that Udi Shani, director general of the Israeli defence ministry, had visited Italy and South Korea earlier this month to discuss Tel Aviv's advanced jet trainer competition.

Israel has yet to issue a request for proposals for the expected 30-aircraft deal, but will choose between the Alenia Aermacchi M-346 and an unarmed variant of the Korea Aerospace Industries FA-50.

Israel has previously sold defence equipment to Asia-Pacific countries including Australia, China, India, Singapore and South Korea, although its business with Beijing has fallen off in the past decade owing to pressure from the USA.

IAI had a major presence at air shows in Australia, India and South Korea last year and will also be present at next month's Singapore air show.

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would it be Indonesia or Thailand??? or maybe their old customer Singapore?
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would it be Indonesia or Thailand??? or maybe their old customer Singapore?
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I'm thinking these three as well. smile.gif
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could be thai, remember when they bought their JAS-39.
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could be thai, remember when they bought their JAS-39.
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the secrecy when they do the purchase....
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the secrecy when they do the purchase....
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I see..
Anyway we have to wait for the answer than.
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Definitely Singapore.

Let's recap.

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for road use they have rubber track pad
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for road use they have rubber track pad
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i think it was use all the time regarless the conditions (onroad or offroad). rubber pads on the track to provide traction and reduce track noise.
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Iron Dome system(against enemy rocket/artillery shell) and Python missile...definitely for singapore

Added on January 12, 2012, 4:18 amcorrection:it's india

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Houston, do we have a hoax ?

Gregor Bulc
January 11, 2012

Interview with Žiga Virc, creator of “ Houston, We Have a Problem ! ” trailer for his alleged documentary on socialist Yugoslavia’s secret space program supposedly sold to the US in 1961


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Posted on YouTube and picked up by numerous social network users, bloggers and even large media outlets, the video has gone viral in a matter of hours, currently with more than a quarter of a million views (and counting). Fascinated by what I had thought was Virc’s ingenious fake trailer for a fake documentary, I contacted him with a list of pre-written questions, some of them being rather surreal in nature. His answers may surprise you, though.




http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EfJiNPZ38kY


Has anyone from CIA contacted you yet ?

CIA hasn’t contacted us yet.

Are you in possession of any secret documents or evidence that might jeopardize the United States or any other country? Have you considered collaborating with WikiLeaks ?

As our project is still developing, we’re constantly receiving new information from various sources which we still need to confirm. At this stage of research we’re open for any sources that can help the story/film only. However, we are filmmakers and by this we are only interested in making a film that audience might find intriguing. We are not involved with politics as authors.

Did the Yugoslav space program have anything to do with the deaths in the Kennedy family? Was Marshal Tito personally responsible for the assassination of JFK ?

This topic is not relevant for our film, therefore I do not have an answer to that.

Any chance Tito’s partisans were in possession of a space program during World War Two ? Weren’t they in reality the ones responsible for Hitler’s death, striking him with a laser beam from the moon ?

Again, this topic is not relevant for our film, therefore I do not have an answer to that.


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Is this a trailer for a mystery documentary proper, a trailer for a wicked mockumentary, a promotional trailer for your yet undisclosed project, or a fake trailer to be understood in a similar vein as Robert Rodriguez and Quentin Tarantino’s Grindhouse trailers ?

We call this project docudrama and we made a trailer, which consists of information we could gather so far. Docudrama means the film will be based on true events and archives, but we might not get the archives or evidence for some parts and we’ll have to do some dramatisation (as this is usual in documentaries about real crime scenes, for instance).

Right now we can say 90% of facts are confirmed – for instance Slovene Herman Potočnik – Noordung, whose book “ The problem of space travel ” was a basis for establishing the rocket programme in Nazi Germany and later in NASA. We just got a confirmation that photo of Herman Potočnik is still hanging in NASA headquarters. His work was a great inspiration for the Soviet, German and post-1945 USA space program.

The Yugoslav role in space research is definitely the most intriguing for us and there’s a lot of work to be done. SFR Yugoslavia had a lot of technical resources for war industry. The biggest underground complex was Željava, built as a base for supersonic jets and other high-tech technologies. There are other very interesting facts – for instance, Tito received a stone from the Moon from USA as a souvenir, etc.

Judging from your previous film projects I’d say you are using this genre to get a certain point across ? Are you trying to criticize something in particular with regard to former Yugoslavia or is it a critical comment on present day issues ?

As always, the basic idea behind my every project is to tell an interesting story that the audience might find interesting. If someone wants to get a certain point across or criticize politics, film might not be the best tool for that. After receiving a lot of positive feedback and contacts for collaboration, I’d say no one finds the story critical in a sensationalistic way.

Your YouTube trailer has gone viral but its claims have been reiterated by various news organizations. Was that your initial intention ? What does that say about the state of news media today ?

Our initial intention was to present our project that is still in a very early research phase. I have a lot of experience with viral videos but I can honestly say that the best way to make a viral video is not to think about it or plan it as viral. In the past, people tried to make a viral video just for the sake of many views – but usually it didn’t work out. If you’re sincerely telling your story, the audience will feel that.

What kind of secret information sources have you been using ? Can you name some of historians and other experts that you collaborated with on this project ?

I’d like to emphasise once again that the film is at an early stage of preproduction. Nevertheless, we decided to go public with it and test the audience reaction. So we’re really happy regarding the current feedback as we’re putting a lot of effort in this film. At this point it’s not really a question of what’s true or what’s fiction – the only relevant differentiation is what is confirmed and what is not (yet) confirmed.

Therefore we’re still looking for people that were in any way connected to our topic – Yugoslavian secret space programme, especially in the 1961 when main events were supposed to happen. As we’re in research phase I cannot confirm any of the people involved, since that could have negative influence on our work. We’re getting in touch with some people that are interested in helping us but at the same time do not want their names to be made public. Our production is very strict regarding this, but it’s all for a good cause.

What is your message to the people who believe your video is a trailer for a real documentary ?

Right now approx. 90% of facts in our trailer are confirmed and widely available to check, which is probably a very high percentage of actual facts compared to today’s images shown on TV-news. Therefore, I’m sure audience will find it honest and believable.



Sources : http://bturn.com

http://www.digitaljournal.com/article/317682

http://noordung.vesolje.net/vsebina/biography.htm
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PASIR GUDANG: A fire broke out onboard a 35-year-old Royal Malaysian Navy's survey vessel which was undergoing repairs at the Malaysian Marine Heavy Engineering shipyard here last night.

KD Mutiara, which is one of the two ships under the navy's National Hydrographic Centre, is believed to have suffered extensive damage.  However, no casualty was reported.

A spokesman for the Johor Baru Fire and Rescue Department said they received a call at 8pm. As at press time, the firefighters were still trying to put out the blaze.

Seven fire engines from several stations in the vicinity were rushed to the scene.

It is learnt that workers were carrying out welding works on  the ship when the incident occurred.

The ship, measuring 71m in length and 13m in width, was commissioned to the naval fleet in 1977, to carry out mapping work and general oceanography.

KD Mutiara is equipped with digital data gathering and processing systems, modern acoustic sensors and differential satellite position-fixing systems.

Read more: Navy ship under repair catches fire - General

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Armatac Quad-Mag

Armatac emailed me a photo of their new prototype Quad-Mag. The Quad-Mag is a 5.56x45mm quad stack magazine with a 60 round capacity.

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It differentiates itself from other quadstack magazines by having two separate feed channels. When the first feed channel is empty, it switches to the other channel. Essentially its two 30 round magazines in a small package. This reduces jamming in the part of the magazine where quad stacks are reduced to a duel stack for feeding.
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Gracie, who blogs at Packing Pretty, is a 24 year old NRA-Certified Instructor and Range Safety Officer and Assistant Director of the firearms training department at Clatskanie Rifle & Pistol Club, inc. Gracie was kind enough to take the time to make a video for The Firearm Blog explaining how to carry a full sized pistol when wearing a dress.

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Pffffttt TOW

Charles G b****!!

on another note,the TOW canister bags are perfect for storing pringles and candy during harsh winter FTXs,as long as the officahs dont find out that you swapped the missiles for candy

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dude when you in your LAV don't you afraid of any tow or rpg attack?
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PICTURE & VIDEO: Lockheed delivers first two F-35Bs to training base

Lockheed Martin on 11 January delivered the first two F-35B short take-off and vertical landing (STOVL) variants to Eglin AFB, Florida.

The aircraft, designated BF-6 (pictured below) and BF-8, are the first early production versions of the STOVL variant to arrive at the training base, joining six conventional take-off and landing F-35As.

Last July, US Air Force officials first said that three F-35Bs were scheduled for delivery to Eglin AFB by December 2011 to inaugurate the US Marine Corps' training operations. However, the USAF clarified shortly afterward that only one F-35B would be delivered before January.

But the two aircraft arrived 11 days after the start of the new year, flying into Eglin at 15:13 and 16:39, respectively.

The aircraft were ordered in 2007 under the second lot of low rate-initial production (LRIP). So far, Lockheed has delivered eight of the 12 aircraft in LRIP-2, plus both aircraft ordered from LRIP-1.

The F-35B remains under a loosely defined probation set last year by US Secretary of Defense Robert Gates. Since that time, the aircraft has resolved three major propulsion system issues, and completed a shipboard landing demonstration on the amphibious carrier the USS Wasp last October.

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dude when you in your LAV don't you afraid of any tow or rpg attack?
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mehh...the media overreacts to everything

we took hits from RPGs all the time and once even from a soviet recoilless gun,we lived

it depends on luck.RPGs are not accurate but a guy i knew got hit with an RPG to the chest. he was sitting in the LAV's commander seat

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did the rpg explode or his chest got a large "O" hole?
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QUOTE(heavyduty @ Jan 14 2012, 08:19 PM)
mehh...the media overreacts to everything

we took hits from RPGs all the time and once even from a soviet recoilless gun,we lived

it depends on luck.RPGs are not accurate but a guy i knew got hit with an RPG to the chest. he was sitting in the  LAV's commander seat
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wait...are u serving in the army or something like that
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it was a she

Capt Nichola Goddard
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QUOTE(admnovsk @ Jan 14 2012, 08:43 PM)
wait...are u serving in the army or something like that
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QUOTE(heavyduty @ Jan 14 2012, 09:06 PM)
it was a she

Capt Nichola Goddard
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Did she survived?

nevermind, just googled her!

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ayam sad naw!

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i was 30 meters from her

i was like FUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUU
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QUOTE(heavyduty @ Jan 15 2012, 01:53 PM)
i was 30 meters from her

i was like FUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUU
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that close!!!!
fuuuu sweat.gif

in another LAV?

200++ kilo bomb was drop near you?

man sure the earth was moving!

btw dude write it here, you've been neglecting it!

http://mymil.forums2u.com/t819-ops-discussion-by-heavy-duty
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l-9HUQtN7Sc








http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6hMUy-xKW3k








http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8uPAKsUKNlA








http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EyuQ1CB3G8Y
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QUOTE(atreyuangel @ Jan 15 2012, 04:43 PM)
that close!!!!
fuuuu  sweat.gif

in another LAV?

200++ kilo bomb was drop near you?

man sure the earth was moving!

btw dude write it here, you've been neglecting it!

http://mymil.forums2u.com/t819-ops-discussion-by-heavy-duty
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nope,dismounted

I was already half deaf by the time the bomb was dropped

SOMEONE thought it was a good idea to give the ANA RPKs

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To SPM leavers, want to be a graduate soldier (will be Officer after graduation)
can try your luck with SPM Trial result, Good Luck

http://www.mod.gov.my/images/kerjaya/upnmgraduan.pdf
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To SPM leavers, want to be a graduate soldier (will be Officer after graduation)?want to be a butthurt and ruin everyone elses fun?dreaming of having self perceived respect because a piece of paper says so?do you want to have the same level of intelligence as a private but paid more and put in charge of 30 souls?were your first words 'i want to be a butterbar'?

THEN THIS IS FOR YOU

can try your luck with SPM Trial result, Good Luck

http://www.mod.gov.my/images/kerjaya/upnmgraduan.pdf
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i fixed the ad for you abu

tongue.gif tongue.gif tongue.gif



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i fixed the ad for you abu

tongue.gif  tongue.gif  tongue.gif
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hahaha butterbar??? rclxub.gif

man you really hate this guy eh? tongue.gif

thanks for spicing up HD!
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Indonesia Ready to Modernize its Weaponry

Indonesia will start modernizing its military hardware after a decade of internal reform riding on the back of an improving economy, Defense Minister Purnomo Yusgiantoro told repoters Monday.

“The Indonesian Military has been involved in internal reforms, such as disengagement from political and business activities,” he told a press conference after a leadership meeting at the ministry.

“All this time, the TNI has refrained from procuring major weapons systems.”

Also attending the press conference were Defense Deputy Minister Sjafrie Sjamsoeddin, TNI chief Adm. Agus Suhartono, Army chief of staff Gen. Pramono Edhie Wibowo, Navy chief of staff Adm. Soeparno, Air Force chief of staff Marshal Imam Sufaat, and ministry secretary general Vice Marshal Eris Heryyanto.

Coordinating Minister for Political, Security and Legal Affairs Djoko Suyanto attended the leadership meeting and delivered a speech to the participants.

Purnomo said most of the procurement could take a long time to realize from planning to delivery as there were various agencies involved in the process.

“Each individual service will describe their needs to the TNI headquarters, which will submit the request to the ministry,” he said.

“Once agreed, we have to talk with the National Development Planning Board [Bappenas] and the Finance Ministry to find the appropriate funding.”

He said because most procurement processes require a long time to realize, the funding usually involves a multiyear system.

The ministry’s Defense Facilities Agency chief, Maj. Gen. Ediwan Prabowo, said most of the shopping list would be sealed in the first half of this year.

“We are currently still looking for candidates for each weapons system. So we have not yet decided the model and pricing,” he told the press conference.

The shopping list includes various weapons systems for the three services including various types of helicopters, howitzers, multiple launch rocket systems (MLRS), various types of ships and anti-aircraft missiles.

Indonesia ended 2011 with large procurements, including six Sukhoi Su-30MKK from Russia worth US$470 million; three submarines from South Korea worth almost $1.1 billion in cooperation with state shipyard PT PAL; nine NC-295 medium transport from Spain worth $325 billion in cooperation with state-owned aircraft maker PT Dirgantara Indonesia; 16 KAI T-50 Golden Eagle advanced trainers, worth $400 million, from South Korea; eight Embraer EMB-314 Super Tucano counter-insurgency aircraft from Brazil; and Grob G 120TP primary trainer from Germany.

Indonesia’s shopping list in 2012

Army
1. Main battle tank (MBT)
2. Multiple launch rocket system (MLRS)
3. Howitzer 155mm
4. Air defense missile
5. Assault and attack helicopters
6. Anoa armored personnel carrier

Navy
1. Searider rigid-inflatable boat (RIB)
2. Fast patrol boats
3. Guided-missile destroyer
4. Hydro-oceanography vessel
5. Barque tall ship to replace the existing KRI Dewaruci
6. Various auxiliary vessels, including fuel and landing ship tank
7. Anti-submarine warfare (ASW) helicopter

Air Force
1. Anti-aircraft missile
2. EC-725 Cougar helicopter
3. 24 units of F-16, grant from the United States, to be retrofitted
4. 4 units of C-130H heavy transport aircraft, grant from Australia, to be retrofitted


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1. Main battle tank (MBT) - we now in talk for 2nd batch
2. Multiple launch rocket system (MLRS) - now in talk for 3 and 4 batch
3. Howitzer 155mm - Msian Army wants SPH
4. Air defense missile - Yes please S-400 or SLAAMRAM for TDM
5. Assault and attack helicopters - Yes Please - Zulu Cobra/ Tiger for TDM
6. Anoa armored personnel carrier - AV8

Navy
1. Searider rigid-inflatable boat (RIB) - got it
2. Fast patrol boats - APMM ada
3. Guided-missile destroyer - meh
4. Hydro-oceanography vessel - yes please, our sub have more things to do
5. Barque tall ship to replace the existing KRI Dewaruci - agree add more tunas samudera
6. Various auxiliary vessels, including fuel and landing ship tank - Dokdo or Mistral please
7. Anti-submarine warfare (ASW) helicopter - coming with SGPV

Air Force
1. Anti-aircraft missile - sudah lama ada
2. EC-725 Cougar helicopter - waiting for confirmation of transport cougar
3. 24 units of F-16, grant from the United States, to be retrofitted - we are not that poor for grant
4. 4 units of C-130H heavy transport aircraft, grant from Australia, to be retrofitted - A400 and future locally build A400
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QUOTE(atreyuangel @ Jan 18 2012, 02:42 PM)
Army
1. Main battle tank (MBT) - we now in talk for 2nd batch
2. Multiple launch rocket system (MLRS) - now in talk for 3 and 4 batch
3. Howitzer 155mm - Msian Army wants SPH
4. Air defense missile - Yes please S-400 or SLAAMRAM for TDM
5. Assault and attack helicopters - Yes Please - Zulu Cobra/ Tiger for TDM
6. Anoa armored personnel carrier - AV8

Navy
1. Searider rigid-inflatable boat (RIB) - got it
2. Fast patrol boats - APMM ada
3. Guided-missile destroyer - meh
4. Hydro-oceanography vessel - yes please, our sub have more things to do
5. Barque tall ship to replace the existing KRI Dewaruci - agree add more tunas samudera
6. Various auxiliary vessels, including fuel and landing ship tank - Dokdo or Mistral please
7. Anti-submarine warfare (ASW) helicopter - coming with SGPV

Air Force
1. Anti-aircraft missile - sudah lama ada
2. EC-725 Cougar helicopter - waiting for confirmation of transport cougar
3. 24 units of F-16, grant from the United States, to be retrofitted - we are not that poor for grant
4. 4 units of C-130H heavy transport aircraft, grant from Australia, to be retrofitted - A400 and future locally build A400
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Our Navy need FAC the currnet FAC too old edi.
Our Airforce need AEW&C. read hicom partnership with saab. yo.
Air defense Missile. NASAMs should be enough S-400 is always welcome.
ASW heli - super lynx perhaps.
btw plz add another 6 sub with AIP and VLS. above 3000ton plz
ohyeah a 8000ton type 45 plz.

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The plan is to replace the fac with the string of NGPV of 24 pv +3 training ship.
but now we can see the plan reduce to 18pv and 2 trainer

hehe AEW is on route, maybe the postpone MMRCA make the program now independent.

NASAM and S400 is nice,

ASW - me thinking the Merlin brows.gif

Sub, right now the better plan is to add another SSK with AIP and for the next 4 instead of SSK we go for SSG or SSR

yes TYPE45!!!!!

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QUOTE(atreyuangel @ Jan 18 2012, 02:42 PM)
Army
1. Main battle tank (MBT) - we now in talk for 2nd batch
2. Multiple launch rocket system (MLRS) - now in talk for 3 and 4 batch
3. Howitzer 155mm - Msian Army wants SPH
4. Air defense missile - Yes please S-400 or SLAAMRAM for TDM
5. Assault and attack helicopters - Yes Please - Zulu Cobra/ Tiger for TDM
6. Anoa armored personnel carrier - AV8

Navy
1. Searider rigid-inflatable boat (RIB) - got it
2. Fast patrol boats - APMM ada
3. Guided-missile destroyer - meh
4. Hydro-oceanography vessel - yes please, our sub have more things to do
5. Barque tall ship to replace the existing KRI Dewaruci - agree add more tunas samudera
6. Various auxiliary vessels, including fuel and landing ship tank - Dokdo or Mistral please
7. Anti-submarine warfare (ASW) helicopter - coming with SGPV

Air Force
1. Anti-aircraft missile - sudah lama ada
2. EC-725 Cougar helicopter - waiting for confirmation of transport cougar
3. 24 units of F-16, grant from the United States, to be retrofitted - we are not that poor for grant
4. 4 units of C-130H heavy transport aircraft, grant from Australia, to be retrofitted - A400 and future locally build A400
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talking about anti-aircraft should we get latest system? Jernas (rapier) Operational range still not greater, we need more longer range.
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The plan is to replace the fac with the string of NGPV of 24 pv +3 training ship.
but now we can see the plan reduce to 18pv and 2 trainer

hehe AEW is on route, maybe the postpone MMRCA make the program now independent.

NASAM and S400 is nice,

ASW - me thinking the Merlin brows.gif

Sub, right now the better plan is to add another SSK with AIP and for the next 4 instead of SSK we go for SSG or SSR

yes TYPE45!!!!!
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the plan for 27 pv is still on going lar.
but restrain hold up many thing mang.
MMRCA we might see 6-adv MKM + 18SH yo.
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talking about anti-aircraft should we get latest system?  Jernas (rapier) Operational range still not greater, we need more longer range.
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yup,
we seriously need long range at least 60km range SAM.
a even longer range will always welcome.
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yup,
we seriously need long range at least 60km range SAM.
a even longer range will always welcome.
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i wonder does the system need awacs so it can tracking up tp 60km or it can operate itself?
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i wonder does the system need awacs so it can tracking up tp 60km or it can operate itself?
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both.
can operate independently SAM always come with FCS and also radar.
which is y they are expensive.
it also also form NCW link with AEW.
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QUOTE(yinchet @ Jan 18 2012, 03:04 PM)
the plan for 27 pv is still on going lar.
but restrain hold up many thing mang.
MMRCA we might see 6-adv MKM + 18SH yo.
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IINM the last time it should be like this
6 PV
6 ASW
6 AAD
6 - forgot, destroyer maybe tongue.gif
3 - training ship

since there is a certainties that there will be no FGPV, me thinks that the current number of 6 will be bcome 8! nod.gif
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interesting shit, i suppose... cool2.gif

J-20 Test Flight of 2012

and

Indonesia MIlitary Power Up

and

US Navy Drops Fleet Plan?


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QUOTE(lucifer_666 @ Jan 19 2012, 12:50 PM)
interesting shit, i suppose...  cool2.gif

J-20 Test Flight of 2012

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Indonesia MIlitary Power Up

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US Navy Drops Fleet Plan?
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I dun think US will relax their Navy fleet.
also their military industry is very important economy for them.
I'm looking forward to their new Aircraft carrier with F-35. "ford class carrier"

as for Indonesia their military power up is being expected.
For Malaysia I hope we have a least 1 MBT division at Sabah and Sarawak.
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they purposely modified the fuel mixture of the jet so the engine will create a lot of smoke,
it is just for show, that's why they are known as Smokey Bandit during show but Taufan Ganas during normal patrol or mission.

Taufan Ganas Check!  flex.gif

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the smell of the engine jet fuel when burnout is gooding mang~  brows.gif
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I've seen them take off from Kuantan Airbase on Training mission. There's still a lot of smoke.
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I've seen them take off from Kuantan Airbase on Training mission. There's still a lot of smoke.
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Its part of the characteristic of the Migs RD33 engine
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Indonesia has ordered six additional Sukhoi Su-30MK2 aircraft, with the first two to be delivered in 2012.

Jakarta will receive two more in 2013 and the final pair in 2014, said Indonesian air force chief of staff Imam Sufaat. His comments were quoted in a report by official government news agency Antara.

The report added that the Indonesian air force currently has six Su-27SKMs and four Su-30MK2s in its inventory. The aircraft are based at Sultan Hasanuddin air base in Indonesia's South Sulawesi province.

Separately, in the coming months Indonesia could issue a letter of acceptance for 24 used US Air National Guard Lockheed Martin F-16C/Ds. In late November, the US government outlined details of the proposed sale and upgrade of the Block 25-standard aircraft for Indonesia, valuing the Foreign Military Sale deal at $750 million.

If a letter of acceptance is issued in early 2012, it could clear the way for deliveries of the upgraded F-16s to commence in 2014.

Australia has also offered to donate four Lockheed C-130H Hercules transports to Jakarta, contingent on aircraft upgrading, but this deal has yet to be confirmed.

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- 10 SU-30MK2
- 6 SU-27KM
- 24 f-16
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interesting fact about Indonesian Minister of Defence, Purnomo Yusgiantoro, a man behind Indonesia's military power up...I thought he's an army general, it turns out he's actually a civilian, a former lecturer and Economics professor at University of Colorado and Secretary General & President of OPEC...surprising consider that TNI has many mafia like generals who might not be uneasy to work with...

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hi guys.. anyone here knows where to get the specifications for a bunker? example like the thickness of wall. compound mixture, ventilation system, sewage system, power source and all?? really appreciate it. thanks.. =)
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hi guys.. anyone here knows where to get the specifications for a bunker? example like the thickness of wall. compound mixture, ventilation system, sewage system, power source and all?? really appreciate it. thanks.. =)
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there are many reply on your thread.

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Yea there are many reply.. But most are just trolling... Haha... Do u have some info or where I can get them.. =)
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Yea there are many reply.. But most are just trolling... Haha... Do u have some info or where I can get them.. =)
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There is no standard specifications for bunker. Most of the Bunker spec for Military facilities is top secret.
differ engineer put differ consideration on the concrete mixture and layer for the bunker wall and also the thickness of the wall.
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Bahrain 2012: Royal Saudi Air Force driving Typhoon forward
Posted Saturday 21st of January 2012

When the Saudi Ministry of Defence was asked to send an aircraft to BIAS, it naturally chose an example of its latest fighter – the Eurofighter Typhoon.

It was flown into the show by one of the Third Squadron’s senior pilots, Lieutenant Colonel Khalid Almaki.

He and the unit’s deputy commander, Colonel Hammad Alhammad, have been keen to talk about the Royal Saudi Air Force’s new fighter and paint an extremely rosy picture of the progress that is being made. Both are ex F-15 Eagle pilots, and though both point out that the F-15 remains an impressive and capable fighter, the Typhoon enjoys a significant and decisive edge.

Almaki highlighted the fly-by-wire control system and the carefree handling that it confers, while Alhammad spoke with enthusiasm about the aircraft’s thrust-to-weight ratio, performance and man-machine interface.

The two officers were both among the initial Typhoon cadre, with Alhammad one of eight pilots to be trained by the RAF at Coningsby and Almaki one of two trained in Spain. The squadron has now graduated eight pilots from Typhoon conversion training ‘in-kingdom’, and seven more are due to graduate soon.

Though it functions as a conversion training unit, the Third Squadron maintains an operational role and began standing quick reaction alert (QRA) six months ago. The RSAF then started air-to-air gunnery (something the RAF still has not done) and, showing an admirable confidence, has retained a night AAR clearance for its Typhoons even after the four Eurofighter partner nations withdrew their own night refuelling clearances.

The squadron began air-to-ground training last month as part of a phased work-up, which will culminate in the full exploitation of the Phase 1 Enhancement, part A (P1EA), when that becomes available.

Tranche 2 aircraft can, of course, carry and drop a range of air-to-ground weapons, including the UK Paveway II laser-guided bomb and GBU-16, but they do not have the austere air-to-ground capability provided under change proposal 193 (CP 193) and recently combat-proven in Libya. Nor do they have a laser designation pod (LDP).

The RSAF has, thereby, become the first Typhoon operator to start air-to-ground operations using Tranche 2 aircraft, which will not gain a full air-to-ground capability until P1EA is released in mid 2012.

With the introduction of P1EA Tranche 2, Typhoons will have ‘full’ SRP10 Tranche 2 software, which will allow the aircraft to drop Paveway IV, GBU-10, GBU-16 and EGBU-16, and will clear the aircraft to strafe ground targets. The new software will also provide significant workload and capability enhancements.

Though the RSAF regard the number of bombs (and the type) dropped as ‘secret’, both pilots confirmed that they had dropped many laser-guided weapons, with Damocles-equipped Tornados ‘spiking’.

The RSAF pilots expect to receive a laser designation pod ‘soon’, and claim that this has already been integrated, though they would not comment as to which pod had been chosen.
The Lockheed Martin Sniper pod is believed to be one possible option, as well as a UK-built and de-branded version of the Litening pod, whose Israeli origins otherwise make it problematic for Saudi Arabia.

Some believe that the Thales Damocles pod, already built under licence by Saudi Arabia’s AEC for use by RSAF Tornados, may be the most likely choice, although the French pod is not highly regarded and has no real high-resolution capability for the non-traditional ISTAR role that other pods allow.

It was reported that the UAE wanted Sniper rather than Damocles when it was considering the procurement of the Dassault Rafale, and even that the French Armée de l’Air has been in negotiations for Sniper pods as an alternative to the Damocles for its Rafales.

BAE Systems has experience of integrating all three types of pod – the Litening pod on Typhoon and Tornado, Sniper on the Harrier GR.Mk 9 and Damocles on the Saudi Tornado. Integrating any of the pods on the Saudi Typhoons would be straightforward.

Though the first eight Typhoons delivered to Saudi Arabia were painted in Tenth Squadron markings, plans changed and the Tenth Squadron has not yet stood up. Its aircraft are among the 24 that now equip the Third Squadron at Taif.

The Third Squadron hopes to be authorised to begin airshow display flying ‘soon’, and its pilots are all vying to be selected as the nominated display pilot, according to Alhammad!

http://www.arabianaerospace.aero/bahrain-2...on-forward.html

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Indonesia’s Submarine Play
By Koh Swee Lean Collin
January 19, 2012

The latest $ 1.1 billion contract for three Type-209/1400 diesel-electric submarines looks set to breathe new life into the Indonesian Navy (Tentera Nasional Indonesia – Angkatan Laut or TNI-AL). It represents the third major TNI-AL purchase after the acquisition of new corvettes and landing ships since 2000 and has also been described as a move to “maintain power balance in the region,” prompting various analysts to attribute the purchase to Jakarta’s attempt to play regional submarine “catch-up.”

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INEGMA outlines scenario of an Iranian Preemptive Attack to Control Gulf Waters
Posted 5 January 2012, Thursday

Riad Kahwaji, the CEO of The Institute for Near East & Gulf Military Analysis (INEGMA) outlines the possibility of an Iranian preemptive attack to control Gulf waters

Iran has demonstrated in its recent war games in the Arabian Gulf region that it has developed its missile capabilities in various areas, which gives Tehran considerable offensive capabilities that would require its opponents to remain constantly on high alert to avoid a major "Pearl Harbor" scenario. The distance between the Iranian side of the coastline (on the east) and the Arabian side (on the west) varies. It narrows on the edges and widens in the middle. However, it places some of the United State's most important military facilities in the region within range of Iran's cruise missiles and artillery rockets. Iran claims that its Noor and Al-Qader surface-to-surface anti ship cruise missiles have a range of 200-km with high accuracy. It also claims that these missiles are undetectable by radar. It has also built the Zilzal-3 artillery rocket with a range of 250-km. It is hard to ascertain Iranian claims with the absence of independent verficiation. But it appears that with every exercise the moral and self-confidence of the Iranian military, especially the Revolutionary Guards, grows greater.

To many regional analysts, the heightened military moral and rhetoric in Iran should be a cause of concern to the West, especially with the increased influence of the Revolutionary Guards on the central government. Iranian military commanders are now confident enough to make public threats to the U.S. Navy. On January 3, 2012, the commander of the Iranian Army General Ataollah Salehi dared the U.S. aircraft carrier USS John C. Stennis to return to the Gulf waters. He said: "We advice the aircraft carrier that crossed the Strait of Hormuz to the Sea of Oman not to return to the Persian Gulf." He added: "The Islamic Republic of Iran does not intend to repeat its warning." While the focus of the West and their allies over the past few years has been Iran's growing ballistic missile capabilities, its arsenal of other missiles, which is as serious and deadly, has not received as much attention. Known anti-ballistic missiles defense systems such as the Patriot and THAAD are hardly effective against cruise missiles and artillery rockets. Israel stood helpless in the summer of 2006 against Iranian-supplied artillery rockets used by Hizbullah to pound Israeli settlements and bases. The sophisticated anti-ballistic missile system operated by Israel could not protect against the rocket threat. Israel has just procured a low tier defense system known as Iron Dome to deal with rocket attacks by Hizbullah from the north and Hamas from the south - but this system remains untested in a conflict setting.

The U.S. Fifth Fleet base in Bahrain is 250-km from the Iranian coast, while the U.S. Central Command (CENTCOM) headquarters at Camp As Sayliyah and the nearby U.S. Air Force Central Command (AFCENT) in Al-Udaid air base in neighboring Qatar are just under 250-km. The U.S. Army Central (ARCENT) base in Kuwait is less than 120-km from the Iranian coast. So, Iran does not really need to resort to its ballistic missiles to hit any of the U.S. bases and other strategic coastal targets in the region. Iran technically can launch a surprise attack with cruise missiles and artillery rockets at all U.S. bases and naval assets in the Arabian Gulf region. Such an attack would be really deadly if missiles and rockets were launched in large numbers in a way to saturate the targets and render defense counter-measures at the bases or the warships useless. So, if Iran decides to close the Strait of Hormuz, as it has repeatedly threatened over the past few weeks, it would likely do it along with a stunning all-out attack to sink as many naval ships to the U.S. and its allies in the region and to hit the runways at air bases and other strategic sites along the western coastline of the Arabian Gulf. This would shock and temporarily impair Iran's opponents and confine any subsequent naval warfront to the Sea of Oman and the Indian Ocean, and allow Tehran to keep the strategic passageway closed and under its full control – for a long while at least.

The Iranian regime would likely carry out such a bold attack whenever it feels that sanctions and international isolation have reached a tipping point and the country's economy is about to collapse. Even though such an attack would invite massive U.S. retaliation and put it at war with its Arab Sunni neighbors, the Iranian regime could see it as an acceptable zero-sum-game risk. Also, Iran would likely launch such an attack in retaliation to an Israeli strike on its nuclear facilities. Iran would possibly fulfill few important objectives in such an audacious attack, such as:

It would buy itself more time for its nuclear program to become fully militarized, especially if it has some secret nuclear nuclear sites still undetected. Most Iranian leaders seem to follow the North Korean example that nobody would dare attack a country that possesses nuclear weapons.
The regime would silence Iranian opposition and assert its control.
Tehran would assert its status as a superpower to the countries of the region, and the Shi'ites worldwide.

Iran will gain a huge bargaining card with the closure of the Hormuz Strait and establishing full control over it. Barring one sixth of the daily world oil exports from passing through would possibly put the U.S. and the international community under strong pressure and enable Tehran to reach its long sought grand bargain with the West.

Iran would hope a successful surprise attack on its western front would scare its neighbors to the north and east from aiding the anticipated U.S. retaliation, which would confine the war to the southern naval front.
Iran will count on the Eastern powers, such as China, Japan and India to pressure the U.S. to end the war to allow the flow of the Gulf oil which they largely depend on for their economies. Tehran will present itself as a victim that was forced into this action, and work on gaining allies in the east with the hope of widening the war to be global.

The general belief amongst most Iranian leaders is that the regime would only collapse if the country is successfully invaded by a foreign power, which they believe is very hard and too costly for the U.S. to do under the current circumstances. Analysts and officials of the regime often describe the U.S. in their writings and speeches as a weakened and fading power. They view the U.S. military invasions of Afghanistan and Iraq as failures to Washington that exhausted its forces. They also belief the current global financial crisis would prevent America and Europe from waging a prolonged costly war against a strong adversary such as Iran. So, Tehran would seek to bring a quick end to the war through a United Nations mediated cease-fire that would spare the regime and present it as a hero for standing up to the world's super power.

If history has taught humanity one thing and that is to always expect the unexpected, especially when the survival of a regime of a very proud and confident nation is at stake. Imperial Japan and the way it willingly entered the war against an adversary its commanders knew in advance was much stronger and could beat them, should always remain a lesson to nations and armies worldwide. The fate of countries always hangs on the risks and calculations taken by their leaders at times of conflict. Over-confidence in technology can be fatalistic, as Israel learned in the 2006 Second Lebanese War. Weapons seen by the West as obsolete, like artillery rockets, could prove very devastating in a surprise massive attack by Iran that will also use other asymmetrical capabilities like suicide attacks by speed boats and torpedo assaults to sink as many warships in the Gulf waters as possible to drain the naval capabilities of the U.S. and its allies and deny them the use of air bases. The positioning of the forces for the U.S. and its allies should take into consideration a preemptive attack by Iran, and hence should be moved deep to the west (in Saudi Arabia towards the Red Sea) or south (in Sea of Oman). Also the regional missile defense system should be immediately expanded to include counter-measures against artillery rockets and cruise missiles. The question everybody, and especially Iranians, would be debating in the case of Tehran pursuing this deadly adventure would be: "How far would and could the U.S. be willing to go to have a decisive victory in a war with Iran?" Let's hope the world will never know.

http://www.arabianaerospace.aero/inegma-ou...ulf-waters.html

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The odds of being penetrated with an EPW?
I doubt so.. but good engineering stuff.
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The odds of being penetrated with an EPW?
I doubt so.. but good engineering stuff.
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right now with delay fuse and bunker buster nothing are safe!
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Oman begins Typhoon purchase formalities
Posted 23 January 2012

The Sultanate of Oman has issued a Request for Proposal (RFP) to BAE Systems and the Eurofighter consortium for a number of Typhoon fighters.

It was at Farnborough airshow in 2008 the Omani first expressed an interest in the Eurofighter aircraft and in April 2010 the then UK Prime Minister, Gordon Brown, announced a deal had been done. There is no clear confirmation on numbers although it is believed it could be around 20 aircraft in the requirement. It is not yet clear whether these will be refurbished Tranche 1 aircraft from the RAF or include at least 12 Tranche 3 fighters from the current UK order.

At the Dubai Airshow in November last year there was greater speculation that the formal RFP was to be issued but at the same time there were suggestions that the Omani force could be considering American alternatives.

The Eurofighter industry consortium will allow partner nations Germany, Italy, Spain and the UK to sell on some of their production aircraft to third parties, as long as such transactions do not interfere with its own export campaigns with the Typhoon. The Oman aircraft will come from the UK.

The UAE is also looking at purchasing Eurofighters having dropped the French made Rafale in November.

http://www.arabianaerospace.aero/oman-begi...ormalities.html
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Its part of the characteristic of the Migs RD33 engine
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only old school engine produces black smoke like our mig..
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i read the latest Perajurit(or is it tempur?) and i read an article about RTA building their own SPH(from old 155mm barrel and old volvo truck)

we can do this too...but since we're short on 155mm we can use them 105mm pack howitzer instead(MA got hundreds of them) and put it on top of either Mercedez benz or handalan truck

i've posted the iraninan and South korean version in earlier tered.i find it if i got time


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only old school engine produces black smoke like our mig..
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if you mean turbojet engine then yes

i find it surprising too.in theory turbofan engine doesn't release that much smoke.perhaps it's because of inherit design

RD-93 already solve the problem though
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Oman begins Typhoon purchase formalities
Posted 23 January 2012

The Sultanate of Oman has issued a Request for Proposal (RFP) to BAE Systems and the Eurofighter consortium for a number of Typhoon fighters.

It was at Farnborough airshow in 2008 the Omani first expressed an interest in the Eurofighter aircraft and in April 2010 the then UK Prime Minister, Gordon Brown, announced a deal had been done. There is no clear confirmation on numbers although it is believed it could be around 20 aircraft in the requirement. It is not yet clear whether these will be refurbished Tranche 1 aircraft from the RAF or include at least 12 Tranche 3 fighters from the current UK order.

At the Dubai Airshow in November last year there was greater speculation that the formal RFP was to be issued but at the same time there were suggestions that the Omani force could be considering American alternatives.

The Eurofighter industry consortium will allow partner nations Germany, Italy, Spain and the UK to sell on some of their production aircraft to third parties, as long as such transactions do not interfere with its own export campaigns with the Typhoon. The Oman aircraft will come from the UK.

The UAE is also looking at purchasing Eurofighters having dropped the French made Rafale in November.

http://www.arabianaerospace.aero/oman-begi...ormalities.html
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Pity France. Their Rafale are actually quite good. Maybe their offsets are lacking.


I suggest we get around 24 single seat version of SU-35BM MRCA, but optimized it for Interceptor and Air-Superiority role.

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Tweet by Dzirhan about the RMAF MIG29N for the Singapore Airshow 2012.

Repost: RMAF Chief confirmed to me that 6 RMAF MiG-29s will be at Singapore Airshow for all days.

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The Dassault Rafale is too expensive and complicated.
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btw my friends from the AF told me that there is a good chances that Kris Sakti will be joining the air show, but they still waiting for the confirmation!
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btw my friends from the AF told me that there is a good chances that Kris Sakti will be joining the air show, but they still waiting for the confirmation!
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Anyone going to the Singapore Airshow? Got any info of the exhibitors? So far I only know F-35 will be there.
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Anyone going to the Singapore Airshow? Got any info of the exhibitors? So far I only know F-35 will be there.
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There will be three propeller aircraft aerial display if Kris Sakti makes it's way to the Singapore Airshow 2012.

Personally, I would prefer one RMAF SU30MKM for the airshow.

•RAAF, Australia, Roulettes
•Blair Aerosports, Australia, Rebel 300

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I believe that the F35 will be a mock up.

Do come down to see the USAF F22 as it is quite rare for it to make it's way down here again.

I've some photos of the USAF F22 during the Australian Airshow 2011.

http://xtemujin.wordpress.com/2011/03/09/2...show-australia/
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I concur, still waiting for the official news that the RMAF MIG29N will be participating at the Singapore Airshow 2012.

Cheers.

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Tweet by Dzirhan about the RMAF MIG29N for the Singapore Airshow 2012.

Repost: RMAF Chief confirmed to me that 6 RMAF MiG-29s will be at Singapore Airshow for all days.

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The Dassault Rafale is too expensive and complicated.
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No country biting the Rafale compared to the Eurofighter.

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EF is also equally expensive fighter.
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Pentagon slashes fighter squadrons, airlifters in new budget proposal

The US Air Force will eliminate six fighter squadrons, divest the L-3 Communications C-27J and retire 27 Lockheed Martin C-5As and 65 ageing C-130s under a new round of sweeping budget cuts announced on 26 January.

The Northrop Grumman RQ-4 Block 30 Global Hawk procurement will also be truncated, while the Block 40 variant of the high-altitude, long-endurance unmanned air vehicle will be increased.

The reductions in military airpower are a small part of a $259 billion package of cuts to planned budget increases over the next five years.

But the review also rededicated the Department of Defense to supporting new military aviation programmes, including the next-generation bomber and the Boeing KC-46A tanker.

The Lockheed F-35 Lightning II, meanwhile, escaped the budget reviews with all three variants intact, although procurement over the next five years will be further slowed, said Leon Panetta, secretary of defense.

"We want to make sure before we go into full-rate production that we are ready," Panetta said.

Despite the reduction of six tactical fighter squadrons and one fighter training squadron, the US military still remains committed to the F-35's full programme of record, Panetta said. That programme anticipates buying 2,443 operational fighters through 2035, including 1,763 for the air force.

The US military also plans to make new investments in enabling airpower capabilities, such as equipping existing aircraft with new missiles, sensors, communications and electronic warfare systems, Panetta said. The budget preserves the army's joint air-to-ground missile, but at a reduced funding level.

The budget review was launched after the Obama Administration committed to reduce military spending by $487 billion over the next decade. Pentagon officials unveiled a new strategic guidance document earlier this month.

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Lockheed Martin has performed the first night flight involving an F-35 Lightning II, with conventional take-off and landing test aircraft AF-6 having made the milestone sortie on 18 January.

Flown from Edwards AFB, California, by company test pilot Mark Ward, AF-6 completed a 1h 17min test flight which Lockheed said included making straight approaches to the runway in twilight and darkness and assessing the F-35’s cockpit lighting.

The night flight achievement "clears the way for night refuelling and formation testing later this year", Lockheed said.


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The latest achievements in area of armored systems and equipment were successfully tested in the Shohaday-e Vahdat drills, Lieutenant Commander of IRGC Ground Force General Abdollah Araqi announced on Tuesday. Iranian armed forces tested two new armoured vehicles, the Sheni-dar and the Sarir during the last military exercises in the East of Iran.



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An impressive features on F-35.
F-35 JSF Distributed Aperture System (EO DAS)

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Shot down 5 aircrafts in less than a minute !



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Muhammad Mahmood Alam Pakistan Air Force Pilot Who Destroyed 5 Indian Jets in One Minute during 1965 War.


Air Commodore Muhammad Mahmood Alam is a retired Pakistani fighter pilot, North American F-86 Sabre Flying ace and one-star general who served with the Pakistan Air Force. He was awarded the Sitara-e-Jurat ("The star of courage"), a Pakistani military decoration, for his actions during the Indo-Pakistani War of 1965. In earning his decorations, Alam downed five Indian aircraft in less than a minute — the first four within 30 seconds — establishing a world record.
Alam is well-known for his actions during the Indo-Pakistan War of 1965 when he was posted at Sargodha. During this war he was involved in various dogfights while flying his F-86 Sabre fighter. Pakistani sources claim that he downed nine Indian fighters in air-to-air combat, including six Hawker Hunter fighters. In one mission on 7 September 1965, Alam downed five Indian aircraft in less than a minute, the first four within 30 seconds, establishing a world record.Alam's confirmed kills are as follows:

6 September 1965, 1× Hawker Hunter
Squadron Leader Ajit Kumar Rawlley, No. 7 Sqn, KIA near Tarn Taran.

7 September 1965, 3× Hawker Hunters
Squadron Leader Onkar Nath Kacker, No. 27 Sqn, POW
Squadron Leader Suresh B Bhagwat
Flying Officer Jagdev Singh Brar, No. 7 Sqn, KIA, near Sangla Hill.

September 16, 1965, 1× Hawker Hunter
Flying Officer Farokh Dara Bunsha, No. 7 Sqn, KIA, near Amritsar.

The Pakistan Air Force figures have been disputed by Indian sources which claim Alam made four kills, attributing one of the losses of Sqn Ldr Onkar Nath Kacker's aircraft to booster failure.They also claim that gun camera footage of Alam's kills is yet to be made public and therefore some of the kills cannot be confirmed.

In 1967, Alam was transferred as the Squadron Leader of the first squadron of Dassault Mirage III fighters procured by the PAF. However, his unpopularity with the top management of the PAF lead to removal of his command based on a false pretext.
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great for SAM fans, http://www.simhq.com/_air14/air_512a.html
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The F-35B completed initial Ship Suitability Testing aboard the USS WASP (LHD-1) in October 2011. The two aircraft on board accomplished 72 short takeoffs and 72 vertical landings combined.
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Type 10 main battle tank, to replace or complement the existing Type 74 and Type 90 main battle tanks that are currently in service with the Japan Ground Self Defense Force. it's time for us to look east..

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nope with their self defense policy

but this recent year we can see the North Korean factor has almost change the policies in Japan SDF with the much procurement in military
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granted by US only if their stuff have the US tech in it.
also depend on their parliament to approve that sales.
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Didn't they change their policy recently regarding military tech sales?
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Didn't they change their policy recently regarding military tech sales?
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That is what i thought as well, maybe unable to pass the new policy?
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There was no general prohibition against defense industry exports during the period from 1953 to 1967. In April 1967, Prime Minister Eisaku Sato announced to a Diet committee three principles governing the non-export of arms. According to these principles, the Ministry of International Trade and Industry (MITI) would no longer approve arms exports to Communist bloc countries, countries to which a United Nations resolution has prohibited arms exports (at the time South Africa), or to a country currently in a state of conflict or soon likely to be in a state of conflict.
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TUDM cadang nak angkat 36 biji jet pejuang baru rupa-rupanya..

sama ada eurofighter atau Flanker atau Rafale atau Grippen..
benda ni tatau lagi.. lepas bulan march mungkin akan ada pengumuman penting.. (tunggu lepas pilihanraya umum dulu)
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kalau Malaysia beli Eurofighter Typhoon..
boleh r kot tentera malaysia buat military excercise dengan jerman dapat tengok semua teknologi diaorang macam dalam video ni.. betul-betul depan mata..


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The Smokey Bandits to soar in Singapore skies
Monday, January 30, 2012 - 18:38
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KUALA LUMPUR: For the first time in its 53 years history, the Royal Malaysian Air Force (RMAF) will be sending an aerobatics team to the Singapore Airshow.

Popularly known as "The Smokey Bandits", the flight of MiG-29N aircrafts from No 17 Squadron base in Kuantan has been invited by their Singapore counterpart to showcase their flying maneuvers at the airshow to be held at the Changi Exhibition Centre between Feb 14 and 19.

The Malaysian Armed Forces and Singapore Armed Forces (RSAF) have regularly engaged in bilateral and multilateral exercises in the past but this is the first time the RMAF MiG29s will be deployed to the neighbouring island.

A press statement issued by RMAF said "RSAF have in the last two series of Lima, sent their fighters and helicopters to perform in Langkawi. The RMAF also feels it is high time we returned the favour to our southern neighbours."

The five-men aerobatic team will be led by commanding officer Lt Col Mior Nor Badrishah Mohamad, callsign "Ghost", head of training Capt Mohd Azizi Musa "Skinner", executive officer Maj Razali Ahmad Jumali "Vendor", squadron safety officer Maj Nasruddin Khalid "Digi" and standards officer Maj Azri Ahmad "Adiq".

The team travels with a total of 31 engineering technical specialists have performed on numerous occasions at the bi-annual Langkawi International Maritime & Aerospace Exhibitions held over the years and the Brunei Defense Exposition 2011 (Bridex 2011).

Audience at the airshow can look forward to maneuvers done in formation and solo displays, which will be performed in unison to ensure a compact and thrilling sequence.

The term ‘smokey bandit’ was originally coined by visiting foreign air force pilots in reference to the black cloud of smoke generated by the MiG29’s Klimov RD33-3 engines when operating in full military thrust.

In 1997, the RMAF’s MiG-29 squadron made its first appearance in the Langkawi International Maritime and Air Show (Lima 97) in Malaysia and has since become the main attraction at Lima air shows.

The squadron was recently crowned Squadron of the Year 2011 by the Royal Malaysian Air Force and received the 2011 Malaysian Armed Forces Readiness Award.

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Australia could review the delivery timetable for the 12 Lockheed Martin F-35 Lightning II aircraft it is due to receive between 2015 and 2017.

Speaking to journalists in Canberra, Australian Minister of Defence Stephen Smith said the timetable will be renewed following recent comments by US Defence Secretary Leon Panetta. On 26 January, Panetta said US procurement of the F-35 during the next five years will be further slowed.

"The current schedule for the second 12 [F-35s] is 2015-2017," said Smith. "Just as in the last couple of days, my counterpart Leon Panetta has said that he is now giving consideration to changing the schedule of purchases so far as the United States is concerned, we will now give consideration to whether the timetable for the purchase of those 12 Joint Strike Fighters should occur on the same timetable."

Smith added that Canberra is legally bound to receive its first two F-35s in 2014. These aircraft will be stationed in the USA and be used to train Royal Australian Air Force (RAAF) air and ground crews.

No decision has been made on whether to buy more Boeing F/A-18F Super Hornets, he said. In August 2011, Smith said a comprehensive review of the F-35 programme would be undertaken in late 2011.

Canberra has indicated it could order up to 100 F-35s, but so far has only committed to 14 examples of the conventional take-off and landing variant. The F-35A is due to replace Australia's F/A-18A/B Hornets.

In late 2011, the RAAF received the final four Super Hornets from a 24-aircraft order placed in 2007 owing to delays in the F-35 programme.

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Hungary will continue operating its leased fleet of Saab Gripen C/D fighters until 2026, with Budapest having taken an early decision to extend its current arrangement with Sweden.

A government-to-government contract signed on 30 January will continue for a further 10 years a deal that has enabled the Hungarian air force to operate 12 single-seat Gripen Cs and two D-model trainers originally built for Sweden. The aircraft are flown from the service's Kecskémet air base.

Hungary selected the Gripen in November 2001, and took delivery of its first examples in 2006 under a lease-to-buy deal. Its entire fleet was operationally available by late 2008, with the type providing the NATO nation with a supersonic air policing capability to replace its retired RSK MiG-29 interceptors.

"We are delighted that Hungary has taken a long-term strategic decision to continue operating Gripen," said Ulf Hammarström, director general of Sweden's Defence and Security Export Agency.

According to Saab-led Gripen International, more than 10,000 new jobs have been created in Hungary as a result of a Swedish offset commitment worth 110% of the value of the nation's original 10-year deal.

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i dont understand

what's the different between leased-to-buy aircraft & fully-owned aircraft?
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i dont understand

what's the different between leased-to-buy aircraft & fully-owned aircraft?
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Lease means we just pay certain premium (monthly/annually) with all maintenance cost covered by provider

fully owned we buy the aircraft but we maintain ourself without all cost covered. (ada duit repair, xde duit simpan) thumbup.gif
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i dont understand

what's the different between leased-to-buy aircraft & fully-owned aircraft?
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lease itu rental punya.
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Lease means we just pay certain premium (monthly/annually) with all maintenance cost covered by provider

fully owned we buy the aircraft but we maintain ourself without all cost covered. (ada duit repair, xde duit simpan) thumbup.gif
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when we buy fighter it will include those maintenance thing into it.
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Umm, i heard Russia lease Akula II submarine to India. If there is a war between China and India, then the submarine is being sunk. India have to pay full cost of the submarine?
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Umm, i heard Russia lease Akula II submarine to India. If there is a war between China and India, then the submarine is being sunk. India have to pay full cost of the submarine?
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depend on the contract content partial liable or full liable. if full liable have to paid the cost of the sub.
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when we buy fighter it will include those maintenance thing into it.
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Now i know why Malaysia is not interested to get Improved Kilo. I heard that our Sukhoi fighters have to be maintained using spare parts from China instead of Russia as the supplier cannot carry out the maintenance job effectively. Right?
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Now i know why Malaysia is not interested to get Improved Kilo. I heard that our Sukhoi fighters have to be maintained using spare parts from China instead of Russia as the supplier cannot carry out the maintenance job effectively. Right?
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nope. China provide cheaper cost than India and Russian with similar quality.
however certain important part we still have to ask from Russian.

Our Navy prefer European stuff biggrin.gif

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owh, ic....thnx guys...

so, what can Hungary benefit with leased aircraft comparing with wholly-owned aircraft? can we follow the same approach?

let say, lease leo2 or f16 from singapore for temporarily fill gap in our defence? rolleyes.gif

btw, iinm, french haz leased agusta sub to us for training purposes before the arrival of scorpene, later then we bought the sub to be made a museum in Melaka...dont know if this is true or not...
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owh, ic....thnx guys...

so, what can Hungary benefit with leased aircraft comparing with wholly-owned aircraft? can we follow the same approach?

let say, lease leo2 or f16 from singapore for temporarily fill gap in our defence? rolleyes.gif

btw, iinm, french haz leased agusta sub to us for training purposes before the arrival of scorpene, later then we bought the sub to be made a museum in Melaka...dont know if this is true or not...
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wont do.
its not like singapore have surplus units on hand.
perhaps ask jerman or holland for leo2 to lease. they want to stream down their armed forces.

Agusta is given for free to us. we are only paying the transportation cost.
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Now i know why Malaysia is not interested to get Improved Kilo. I heard that our Sukhoi fighters have to be maintained using spare parts from China instead of Russia as the supplier cannot carry out the maintenance job effectively. Right?
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for now, but not all parts, some still come from india!

it is until we can manufactured our own parts!
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it is until we can manufactured our own parts!
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ATM really have a plan for this?

that means su-30mkm will stay here for quite a long time la
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ATM really have a plan for this?

that means su-30mkm will stay here for quite a long time la
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they have this plan, don't really know how long this plan going to initiate,

maybe after the completion of the Sukhoi Research Facilities in Perak

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they have this plan, don't really know how long this plan going to initiate,

maybe after the completion of the Sukhoi Research Facilities in Perak
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kalau Malaysia beli Eurofighter Typhoon..
boleh r kot tentera malaysia buat military excercise dengan jerman dapat tengok semua teknologi diaorang macam dalam video ni.. betul-betul depan mata..


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real life NATO exercises aren't as badass
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for now, but not all parts, some still come from india!

it is until we can manufactured our own parts!
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When would that be?

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ATM really have a plan for this?

that means su-30mkm will stay here for quite a long time la
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Did Malaysia sell of used warplanes to other countries?
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Did Malaysia sell of used warplanes to other countries?
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well it's not possible, “Aviation News” Web site on June 26, 2009 reported that the Malaysian air force is equipped with Russian MiG-29H fighter production will be sold soon , and was replaced by other aircraft. announced the news of the Malaysian Defense Minister pointed out that the purchase of some foreign companies have shown interest in these planes. In Malaysia at present some problems to be solved, especially the aircraft price.
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When would that be?
Did Malaysia sell of used warplanes to other countries?
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soon, like I said, probably after the completion of Sukhoi Research Facilities in Perak,

There is a plan to sell our MIG29 to Myanmar but opposes by the UN at that time
Philippines too are interested, but the Russia says that they miss it, wanted all back and give 6 MKM for free if TUDM unite them back tongue.gif
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soon, like I said, probably after the completion of Sukhoi Research Facilities in Perak,

There is a plan to sell our MIG29 to Myanmar but opposes by the UN at that time
Philippines too are interested, but the Russia says that they miss it, wanted all back and give 6 MKM for free if TUDM unite them back  tongue.gif
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trade it all & only get 6 of MKM?
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trade it all & only get 6 of MKM?
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russia probably want the parts for it's own MIGs.
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trade it all & only get 6 of MKM?
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6 SU30MKM is equivalent to 18 MIG29M....MIG29M are from 1990s tech, while SU30MKM are millenia yech..
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russia probably want the parts for it's own MIGs.
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nah it's more than that, it is the same reason why US want their own hornet too!
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nah it's more than that, it is the same reason why US want their own hornet too!
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can elaborate what they after?
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for now, but not all parts, some still come from india!

it is until we can manufactured our own parts!
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ei I thought we using china spare part.
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can elaborate what they after?
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Me too are asking the same question, we can see the pattern here!

QUOTE(yinchet @ Jan 31 2012, 06:57 PM)
ei I thought we using china spare part.
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my mistake, only china!
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The US Navy in seriously need plane.
as their hornet fleet have reach their airframe limit. also they are not going to order more f-18 in favor of the f-35.
our hornet are in good condition. not as stress as their fighter.

Russian are most likely hope to get some small sales since we are not going to buy any Russian fighter in these MRCA.
offering trade in might get them some business. just my opinion though.

errm. arteyu.
not all from China some important part are from Russian.

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