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Quantum_thinking
post Jan 29 2012, 07:03 PM

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QUOTE(Naskah @ Jan 27 2012, 03:16 PM)
Type 10 main battle tank, to replace or complement the existing Type 74 and Type 90 main battle tanks that are currently in service with the Japan Ground Self Defense Force. it's time for us to look east..

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Japan can export their tanks for foreign sales? I thought cannot right?
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post Jan 29 2012, 07:40 PM

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QUOTE(atreyuangel @ Jan 29 2012, 07:35 PM)
unless granted by the US!
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I thought it is their constitution does not allow it? ( I am in /k/ mode) tongue.gif
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post Jan 29 2012, 09:13 PM

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QUOTE(DeFaeco @ Jan 29 2012, 09:11 PM)
Didn't they change their policy recently regarding military tech sales?
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That is what i thought as well, maybe unable to pass the new policy?
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post Jan 31 2012, 12:58 PM

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QUOTE(yinchet @ Jan 31 2012, 12:54 PM)
lease itu rental punya.
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Umm, i heard Russia lease Akula II submarine to India. If there is a war between China and India, then the submarine is being sunk. India have to pay full cost of the submarine?
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post Jan 31 2012, 01:08 PM

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QUOTE(yinchet @ Jan 31 2012, 12:55 PM)
when we buy fighter it will include those maintenance thing into it.
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Now i know why Malaysia is not interested to get Improved Kilo. I heard that our Sukhoi fighters have to be maintained using spare parts from China instead of Russia as the supplier cannot carry out the maintenance job effectively. Right?
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post Jan 31 2012, 03:04 PM

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QUOTE(atreyuangel @ Jan 31 2012, 02:41 PM)
for now, but not all parts, some still come from india!

it is until we can manufactured our own parts!
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When would that be?

QUOTE(keown83 @ Jan 31 2012, 02:45 PM)
ATM really have a plan for this?

that means su-30mkm will stay here for quite a long time la
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Did Malaysia sell of used warplanes to other countries?
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post Feb 21 2012, 01:47 PM

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QUOTE(nairud @ Feb 21 2012, 11:03 AM)
anyone know about the story that the USAF spy plane was forced to land by the Chinese military and when the US of A requested for it to be returned, the chinese said yes but they need to disassemble it and ship it out parts by parts instead of letting it fly out of china?
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The only incident i know is as atreyuangel said. Hainan incident back in april 2001.

Chinese know how to tear down, but do not know how to re-assemble it. laugh.gif

QUOTE(atreyuangel @ Feb 21 2012, 11:47 AM)
Naiss, did you try to see it close enough too see weather that the plane is the real one or got "Made in China" logo laugh.gif
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laugh.gif laugh.gif laugh.gif

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post Feb 21 2012, 04:16 PM

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QUOTE(yinchet @ Feb 21 2012, 04:08 PM)
they should install some self-destruct thing next times.
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Not a good idea if it can be remotely activated as hacker can hack it and activate the bomb.

See how the computerized enemy in eagle eye can auto eject fighter pilots?
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post Feb 21 2012, 08:36 PM

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QUOTE(atreyuangel @ Feb 21 2012, 07:07 PM)
try to look it a the recent incident
how US UAV lands in Iraq when hackers insert code that make the UAV thinks it land in Afghanistan!
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QUOTE(nairud @ Feb 21 2012, 07:13 PM)
fixed
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+1.

Iraqis only managed to hack into their video feed only.
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post Feb 24 2012, 01:57 AM

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QUOTE(xtemujin @ Feb 24 2012, 12:20 AM)
Tweet from Dzirhan Mahadzir@DzirhanDefence
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Yerr, i will not be in KL at that time... cry.gif cry.gif
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post Mar 2 2012, 02:19 AM

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QUOTE(atreyuangel @ Mar 2 2012, 02:06 AM)
Msia sudah pakai M4 la!
AUG for Rela and PSS/Wataniah/PLKN!

btw how plastic get karat?
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Rela get to use aug guns?
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post Mar 2 2012, 12:04 PM

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QUOTE(ayanami_tard @ Mar 2 2012, 09:09 AM)
^no major acquisition until pilihanraya

besides,them 48 are for familiarization
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I honestly prefer Malaysia get 1000 RPG 29 or something more rather than 1000 tanks.

Soviets used to sell monkey models and US sell downgraded Abrams to their allies. God knows what is being downgraded in the tanks meant for exports.

QUOTE(atreyuangel @ Mar 2 2012, 11:06 AM)
got..
Rela always join shooting event ATM (as most of them is retired atm people)  tongue.gif
but not for operation daa!
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I LoLed at this.
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post Mar 2 2012, 04:33 PM

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QUOTE(yinchet @ Mar 2 2012, 02:50 PM)
depend.
I would prefer Malaysia buy a more advance and deadly RPG30. still on pending for export.
To me we need both anti-tank and MBT. both have own advantage and disadvantages.
of'coz US, UK and Russian would sell a downgraded MBT. no DU armor for example. for Russian as long as you have the money and have no history of stealing reverse engineer their tech you can get their best weaponry systems. anyway key words Money. laugh.gif
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If like this,why not get the RPG 32? Jordanians should be more easier to nego rite?

What is the main rationale of getting MBTs?
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post Mar 3 2012, 03:41 AM

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QUOTE(yinchet @ Mar 2 2012, 04:37 PM)
it will be a good assets to defend city also able to assault invading enemy with huge punch.
ofcoz MBT have its weakness but does bring huge psychology effect to invading enemy as we are not lacking in firepower.
anyway these is just my opinion on MBT.
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I thought using APC with big guns will also do the job? Also, tanks without good air support also mean they are sitting ducks for attack helicopters.

RPGs mobile infantry can move around better than the tanks, but easier to suffer casualties.

Also, Malaysia interested in any new MBTs ? Malaysian APC sadly cannot survive RPG-7.
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post Mar 3 2012, 12:38 PM

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QUOTE(ayanami_tard @ Mar 3 2012, 12:26 PM)
different doctrine

APC with big gun is used as tank destroyer and providing direct fire support.but it's no replacement for much more armored MBT.

MBT is chiefly used as spearhead for attack. they move around with infantry(infantry job is to neutralized them enemy anti tank units)

and most APC cannot survive RPG blast(especially them HEAT warhead).the only APC that i know that can withstand RPG is Namer(and it's from the chasis of Merkava).but nowadays APC got some kind of add on protection from RPG ranging from them APS to the el-cheapo slat armor

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Oh, ok.

What about BTRs?
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post Mar 3 2012, 12:58 PM

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QUOTE(atreyuangel @ Mar 3 2012, 12:49 PM)
first you have to look at the mbt doctrine.
either attack of defense is depending on the situation too.

The TD APC is from an old technology, that's why the TD are underway with the AV8 as the replacement for the Condor/Sibmas
BTW is just term in russian,

in a way if give the means of IFV!
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You mean BTR rite?

Thanks for explaining guys for the MBTs.

May i ask, why XM8 is being phased out? Their trials seems to be better than M4.
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post Mar 3 2012, 05:17 PM

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QUOTE(atreyuangel @ Mar 3 2012, 02:12 PM)
this BTR?  tongue.gif
user posted image

this is the weapon that were in the trail

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my only guess that M4 give the better economic package to the government

same like the MMRCA right now, the Typhoon is in the lead just because they will give a better economic package!
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I mean this BTR IFV:

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with this gun:

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Pay peanuts, get monkeys.




QUOTE(marfccy @ Mar 3 2012, 02:13 PM)
Wasnt the XM8 phased out because it was too expensive and didnt perform better than the M4?
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I thought it perform better than M4?
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post Mar 3 2012, 07:07 PM

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QUOTE(marfccy @ Mar 3 2012, 05:34 PM)
oops i mean it didnt outperform M4 by alot..as in theyre more or less similar
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I think they perform way better than M4, but i heard that their plastic can melt. Despite improvements, not sure if this is the main reason for its reject.

QUOTE(nairud @ Mar 3 2012, 05:53 PM)
actually,

what's the difference between the marines and the army? Yeah you have Navy and the Airforce too.
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I am not sure, but marines are like riflemens.

I am thinking of:

marines are part of army
sailors are part of navy
pilots are part of airforce.
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post Apr 6 2012, 09:58 AM

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What about mini gun?

Can beat browning right?
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post Apr 12 2012, 04:21 PM

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QUOTE(yinchet @ Apr 12 2012, 12:36 AM)
haha, these news.
Their expert must having lot of wet dream. laugh.gif
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I really wonder it is based on what basis regarding this opinion. Chinese expert say like this is a different story.

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