1, 2, 3, you can have your cup of tea! Microwave oven can't even do that! They can boil the ocean with this technology. Noone needs to die for the homeless during winter, they can just dip themselves in hot water This is god sent!

Geesh i better be requesting for my deposit to be returned ....

Aiyah, you guys let him try first lah. If not how to know this product good or bad.

If this product bad also, the money lost is him only mah. At least we have some story to read here about this bad and good heater.

Can enter world..wait maybe is galaxy record.

This company may have a good product but the way they market their product is out of norm. Looking at the facebook they condemned and published so much about the electrocution of the Japanese couple, so many similar report, to say that their product is ZERO danger and you are asking yourself to be killed using the conventional Instant water heaters. It is ok to warn buyers but exaggerate too much till frightening all existing users is too much and bad taste. What you want all the existing users to do? Throw away their heaters? A good company should not just warn but come up with not only alternative (buying their product) but also how you can minimize risks if not overcome.

I dont think their prodcut is any safer when it is all about water and electricity. Over selling and everything seemed to me are like they have a magic. Don't Kill and super safer of power and instant heating and up their price.

Ya la, better have one victim than to make all of us their victims.

We learn from ppl mistake and experience.

A Japanese couple scarified their life to make us aware the danger of the heater. How to extra safety to makesure our life is more safe.

Marketing ma... Looking at the way they described to normal users already know how they run business. It define all physics in hearing water that fast. Maybe a nuclear reactor inside? Or perhaps using law of relativity

Truly I hate people or company using condemned of other product as marketing. Really no business ethics. If is a proven dangerous/hazard/illegal is good to bring out, but something that is accidental can share and put the possibility but not stating it will happen. Driving is even more dangerous. Everyone still driving?

This post has been edited by weikee: Oct 22 2013, 11:52 AM

Some people make use of dead people and misery to push sell their product and make more money.

Gee ... thanks for the support guys

Frankly during the sales talk they did not condemn any other brands but merely emphasize that their brand will not get anyone electrocuted as their heating system does not come in contact with water etc etc ....

Anyway let's give it a go ... can always try out, if no new things how can we progress ?

Majority of us here don't have much knowledge about technical. Even a very basic. That is why those saleman easlly use some bad tactic to sell.

When they get many question from expect guy, they just walk away. Because you are just 1 in 100 ppl. In develop country, they can close shop if like this.

Makesure you come back here and tell us everything after experience it. We need more information.

any suggestion pls. alpa or joven model

-save energy
-silent pump
-good quality

I do not know why you want to believe there will not be electrocution danger. There is heating element if not how you get to convert electric energy to heat energy? Yes there is no direct contact between the heating element and water but the heating coils is surrounding the copper water pipe for heat exchange. When heating element fail or broken or short circuit it needs not contact water to conduct electric current. The copper pipe will conduct current to water. Here is a diagram of a tankless single unit heater.

So far i used Joven i70P so far OK.
Bought from Builders Hardware Zheilwane

Go get the newer technology, the tankless instant water heater. Anyhow i think it is safer than the conventional instant water heater since there is no direct contact between heating elements and water.

Saving wise, not sure, should be the no much different. In fact the conventional one, direct contact with heating element should be more efficient, dont get mislead. There is no short cut to energy saving from electric energy convert to heat energy regardless of technology. The only saving is how not to loss energy as by product while converting.

But check the price first the new technology might be more expensive.

They can use ceramic heating to heat up the copper pipe, that will reduce the probability of electric transfer but not NILL. If use ceramic efficiency is not that good. Another method is use induction this can sure guarantee no electric transfer but what if lightning strike? High voltage still have chances electric will jump.

Maybe they use alien technology, must buy and reverse engineer it.

Referring you to this. Good luck and ask for best price if you're serious https://forum.lowyat.net/index.php?showtopic=2965146&hl=



This post has been edited by ricstc: Oct 22 2013, 02:26 PM

Wow Weikee, Can even think of induction! There will be absolutely no contact. In fact can have an insulation layer like ceramic (or even a vacuum) over the pipe. Oh ya have to be a steel or iron pipe. The heating fins of the tankless and its copper pipe can get corroded over time with the process of oxidation. If use induction a thin layer of stainless steel will take care of oxidation of the pipe.

Seriously guys, I was merely answering a question posed by someone earlier. I may not know the mechanics or process (unlike many of u here) but surely the only way to find out is to give the unit a try.

Till now, no one has stepped forward to say they have tried the heater and can confirm it can or cannot do as claimed. Based on feedback of a friend who has used it for a year, he said OK but as with everything in life, only time will tell.