Apps is quite a decision factor these days. Almost all my friends considering to change phones ask first about apps availability. Eg, when they are considering Android devices, first question was between Android and iOS, which one is better in terms off apps? I told him both have a vast amount of apps but iOS wins in terms of games. Certain games are not available in Android (Inifinity Blade,etc). But most major developer produces apps for both iOS and Android so pretty much nothing to worry about. That's when they feel safer to consider changing to Android. But Meego has so little apps. It's bad real bad no matter how smooth the OS can be. Between WP and Meego, I think Nokia WP will be a success compared to Meego since Nokia has picked to go full out for WP. It's not a bad OS really. Some people may not like Metro UI but I personally find it very appealing thanks to the simplicity and fluidity. As much as I hate it, it's undeniable that "Meego = Dead".

Perhaps not. WP7 still have this Skydrive thing similar to iphone right? Then most stuff need to go online. The data rates can pengsan. No Mass storage, no SD Card, no USB on the go. That itself is major deterrent, at least for Msia & developing countries. For the same price can get a good ol Symbian with 8GB + 32 card slot & usb on the go.
The 1st response of posters in Nokia Support forum about the Skydrive is whether Nokia will help pay the internet bill, lol

If people want all that with lots of apps to go with it, they will get the iphone, for the image.

This post has been edited by eaglehelang: Oct 30 2011, 05:41 PM

I think it's an uphill task for WP7 to claw back market share. First of all the other 2 horses (ios and Android) are so far ahead; WP7 has a mere 2% market share now. What can WP7 bring to the table? In most areas it is just playing catch-up with ios and Android. Things like multi-tasking, conversation threads and front facing camera are old hat in other platforms but only recently introduced in Mango. WP7 also has many Apple-like restrictions like opaque file system, no bluetooth transfer, tied to Zune for file transfer and no micro-Sd card. But it doesn't have the huge app store of ios to ameliorate the restrictions. Giving 25GB cloud storage does not work in developing countries where data charges are high.

So its still a 2 horse race and WP7 doesn't change this. It could have been a 3 horse race if Nokia had fully backed Meego but that chance may be gone now. ios and Android have taken 80% of the market and WP7 will have to fight for the balance with Blackberry, Symbian, Bada and Meego.

This post has been edited by KennyKB: Oct 30 2011, 06:07 PM

2% market share?elop said competitive ecosystem.

I'm quoting from BBC which says only 1 in 50 smartphones sold are WP7. It has come down from 6% last year. Competitive ecosystem is only in Elop's wet dream. In Malaysia almost nobody uses WP7. In the U.S. its penetration is also very low. Slapping Nokia's brand name on it will make no difference. In the U.S. Nokia's image is negative and associated with cheap phones used by grandmas.



This post has been edited by KennyKB: Oct 30 2011, 06:57 PM

Wah, does that mean N9 owners plus the 200++ N900 owners, Maemo/Meego even is better penetration ?

Wooi, I just fell in love with the Metro UI you know. So, don't talk bad about WP please. But you can talk bad about S(tupid)Elop
I installed so many stuff to make my phone look as much as a WP phone as possible. LOL.
And I'm really impressed at how real it is. Android is POWER wey!

before meego, only windows phone had the power and capability to deliver smooth and fast touch experience.
it was because rush to market that's why it failed.

now with mango update, thgs shld look better.
am looking fwd to lumia.
sorry n9, but u are doa.

Bolehland still cannot buy WP7 apps and there are very few free apps. So how?

This post has been edited by KennyKB: Oct 31 2011, 08:21 AM

install windows phone 7 and meego launcher la.

agree with that skydrive thingy,can't imagine with the hefty cost that need to bear with just to upload and download files from the handphone lol..
The connection speed in Msia is so epic that 10mb files might need to take half an hour to get it uploaded,not to mention it's uberly inconvenience to transfer those files when you have to logon to this and that server @.@

edit: my point is, i would prefer meego or belle anytime than mango because i rather phone provide me maximum flexibility and general functionality like bluetooth or usb storage instead of Apps - which isn't a mandatory things to live with


This post has been edited by AlOnE89: Oct 31 2011, 10:14 AM

Cloud storage doesn't work in developing countries where data charges are high and data quota are low. If you stream music from the cloud it can use 100MB an hour. If you can stream at all based on the download speed.

First working FM radio app for N9.

http://www.my-meego.com/software/applicati...dAuto=488&faq=2

FM Transmitter? Don't hold your breath for it. Konttori of Nokia has confirmed it is not possible.



This post has been edited by KennyKB: Nov 2 2011, 07:24 PM

FYI, Nokia N900 (Maemo5) stops at PR1.3, and there's still a lot of functions/features, bugs, etc. that is lacking. Let's hope this MeeGo will receive well support at last until a stable release and with proper functions/features available; EVen if they decide to stop support, hope they made the OS flexible enough for 3rd party to add in feature/function and enhancing it further.
For a start, the good news is the Ovi Store, applications and games available for N9 is showing positive result compared to Maemo5 back then. Hope this will continue on.

I won't say they will abandon MeeGo anytime soon, but hopefully they'll at least continue the support until a stable and good release (or pass to the community, but very unlikely based on maemo5 track record; else we could have a proper community version firmware).

My point on the lack of future MeeGo device is not really on the users, but more on how possible is Nokia going to support the OS. If there is no future MeeGo device, they may have no reason to continue to support and improve it, unless maybe there is really a lot of users using; but if true, then it could probably change their decision to make another MeeGo device, and if true again, hopefully it'll pack with good hardware.

And yes, the MeeGo developers are keen on MeeGo, but it was the same case for Maemo5, and when they develop Maemo5, the developers were also active in talk.maemo forum. There're article/blog about how Maemo5 and MeeGo is being killed and abandon, not sure how true, but one of them were ex-Nokia staff and were very active in talk.maemo.org forum. It's sad to read, but that's a company, not everyone has the same vision and/or Mission.

For WhatsApp, Nokia could actually take the initiative to approach the company and work something out, but probably they think they already have this Social Network integration built-in, so they didn't; but maybe they overlook the fact that people still look and prioritize with WhatsApp. Nokia may have started the Social Integration innovation since Maemo5, but it was not known and nobody cares, it's not Apple; If it were done by Apple, the word "this changes everything" will come true, but then it's Nokia.
Also probably they don't want to invest too much MeeGo, so they decided its not worth the money and effort to approach WhatsApp? I don't know, just speculations; just like how they decided not to get Flash? Initially, Flash was planned for MeeGo. It could also already have it ready, just like N900 Flash 10 availability, it was available, but according to Adobe, it depends on Nokia (possibilty Nokia need to pay for the license or something and they decided not to).


Sure, even though people talks about which smarpthone; Actually, they don't really care or bother about the smartphone features and functions, what they care and wanted is actually the applications and games.

MeeGo is considered still new, it's still early to judge about the apps and games; Surely there will be apps and games, the question is, whether more will come, I mean the quality and good ones, especially those popular and in demand. For this, Nokia needs to take the initiative, just like Samsung and Microsoft did.
When Android started in the early days, there isn't much apps and games anyway. My friend who bought his first Android was also questioning and worried about the apps and games, and eyeing on Apple App Store; but for Android, there's no worry, there're many brand which uses it, I told my friend, the apps and games will come, and one day it'll be more because there is many brands using it and gaining more and more popularity, plus, it's Google. Look at it today, it has the latest Flash built-in... Nokia was the first to provide a true web browsing experience with it's amazing browser and Full Flash support, but what happens now? Sad... to me, MeeGo browser went downgrade from N900 browser. It lost the true Web Browsing experience which I had on my N900.


What can I say; Thanks to the Fruit Company, it changes everything; Before the Fruit Company, manufacturers were competing to offer MORE; Now's it's about making it simple, scale down, remove this and that, treating the users as complete fools, beginner.
It's like coming out with a camera, with ONLY auto mode only, fix lens, limited specs, etc... so beginner can use easily and everyone can use, everyone is treated as beginner with no advancement.

Is it a must to use SkyDrive? Or will dependent on the device, whether the manufactuerer of the device decide to offer Mass Storage, SD Card etc? I mean, there should be at least some sort storage? What about ringtones? Sound files? Wallpapers? (especially those file for startup). One can't be connected all the time? Imagine you're taking video/photo in somewhere with no Wi-Fi or phone signal? I don't understand how it can work. Doesn't make sense if there's no storage on the device.

As I said before, I hate the fact how it changes everything, how smartphones were meant to be. It changes and introduce limitations, restrictions, less features, less functions, etc. Customer need to complain and feedback to the manufacturer this is NOT the way forward, they're spoiling how smartphones were meant to be. If like our locally assembled cars providing low spec and extremely high prices, and using more local content, yet they dare to increase the price further; but their hardcore fans/supporter/buyer have little or no complains, this encourages them and make matters worst.

The 3 horse race, they could've done since Maemo, if they were serious and put their effort on it, but they didn't, there's like a mini small team developing and enhancing Maemo, but the big team is on Symbian? The treated Maemo as an experimental OS for future Maemo6, MeeGo; but they didn't put it enough effort and seriousness, I'd said too little effort and not serious about it; probably this happens when the company is big and there's many shareholders with making clashing decisions/vision/missions.
It's like when a job with same amount of developer, but handle by many "management/decision maker" VS little "management/decision maker".
The many "management/decision maker" doesn't make then product better, but it make the progress slower, more issues, more conflicts, many meetings, etc. Too many levels also same case, but it seems to be popular nowadays, company with many levels and many people doing management instead of development, to approve an idea or to do a simple task, you need to get pass multiple-level and take long time.
This also happens for "customer service/support", hence WHY the customer service/support gone bad, too many levels, just to fix a product (e.g. change something), need this approval, that approval (then the person not available, or away, or no time).

As for me, Whatsapp and FB/Twitter notifications are the only disadvantages. Other than that it is a perfect phone for my daily usage

This post has been edited by drexar: Oct 31 2011, 12:09 PM

Hi Andy. Your views always make interesting reading.

Regarding apps for N9 it may be better than N900 but we can't compare with the lowest standard. It's like comparing Malaysia to African countries, of course we'll look good.

Take away all the useless RSS feed apps the N9 app store is growing very slowly. You can see the new useful ones coming out in My-Meego.com and it's like a couple of apps a day, sometimes none. There are many good and specialized apps but there are also many holes meaning basic apps like wi-fi file transfer, wi-fi analyzer, QR code reader, scientific calculator, gps parking, Kamasutra, etc which are not in yet. (OK the last isn't a basic app. ). We don't know when the holes will be filled if at all.

Of course it's still early days and the apps may pick up but this is always an unknown factor for potential users. Not many commercial developers are coming in. How long will the Meego/Maemo community support Harmattan? N900 has many more useful apps than N9 but apparently it is quite difficult to port over.

On the os side I am less worried. The os will be polished further with PR1.1 and improved with PR1.2. Both these are definitely coming. Beyond that who knows but is it really important if there will be no more Meego phones? Most of us keep our mobile for 2 years or less anyway and then we look around for the next upgrade.

Actually I compare with N900 because it's the predecessor and coming from same path, and "might" suffer same. Comparing with others, personally, surely it'll feel inferior. I'm looking and talking about improvements over it's predecessor, so it's considered improved, but of course, we want more. Just a way of looking at it positively.

For paid apps, especially from reputable companies, those popular and in-demand apps; It may depend on how popular this device will be, and whether they can sell it; I believe Nokia should also help to push, especially during the beginning, someone has to make the first BIG step. Obviously, customers wouldn't and you'll need a lot of Customer to make the device popular and influence those manufacturer to invest; So, in my opinion, Nokia needs to take the step and bring those popular, in-demand apps/games; No point having tons of apps/games... quality is better than quantity. Nokia is pushing more apps/games, but are they pushing it correctly? As in getting the right apps/games provider.

Not sure about community support for MeeGo Harmattan, but N900 community support has been great even till today. It's also thanks to the hardware available, there're many things available, like those forgotten small hardware, such as IR; With that, there's cool IR remote app, even DSLR Remote Shutter app. Some of the Maemo dev may have switch/jump to Android as they're disappointed with MeeGo, it's a loss, but hopefully, they may re-join back.

Yup, I know about keeping the mobile for how long issue; in fact I mentioned that before, people concerns with hardware and OS Support, when they change mobile like change clothes. It doesn't make sense for them to complain. For people who wish to stick and continue to use MeeGo, may hope there will be another MeeGo device with better hardware; Heck, I even wish there's a updated specs for device running Maemo5, I still prefer the OS.
Another reason for future MeeGo device is that if there is one, it means the updates and support is more secured and rest assured. Just like Symbian, they're still releasing Symbian devices, so the support and updates will definitely come, until one day, if they stop producing new Symbian devices, then people may start wondering and questioning about the support and updates.

Yes, Nokia should push for more quality apps and even approach Whatsapp directly but will they? Nokia's intentions w.r.t. Meego are suspect as Elop wants to focus on WP7 as their sole platform. Nokia's approach so far to produce a Wizard for RSS feed apps has been more negative than positive as the Ovi store is flooded with these useless apps and good apps get lost among them. This may put off some developers.

On the positive side almost all the essential apps are in like radio streaming, podcasting, e-book reader, GPS status, GPS tracking, Skype, Flickr, Picasa, Dropbox, Spotify, SoundCloud clients, etc and some very nice games. What comes next can only make things better especially if the holes I mentioned are filled.

But it cannot be denied that the lure of the huge Android appstore is strong and there are many fun/educational apps which have almost no chance of appearing in Meego. Personally I'll give Meego 6 months and see what comes up and then even I may succumb to its siren song.

So are you sure you still want to get an N9, Andy?

True, good point, the apps flooding the store will draw away developers as their good/quality apps maybe covered/lost by among those useless apps. Nokia really need to manage their store properly.

Android is indeed a big lure, so many phones manufacturer to choose from offering different kinds of design and specs, plus, more and more people are using Android, and it also supports Full Flash, etc. Just too bad there isn't a good qwerty available, the most recent would be the upcoming Droid 4; but there's hardly one good one for qwerty device.

My sim card also change to micro-SIM, and been using the current N9 for some time; kinda hook. My option would be either this or wait for the Lumia 800?
Btw, for my review, I took a comparison shot yesterday between N9 and N8, to compare the wide angle difference, and I just use auto mode. Took indoor at shopping mall... The N8 image quality beat the crap out of N9, but N9 offers wider angle of view. For this, I did some research yesterday and come across certain site which mentioned N9 is 26mm wide angle? After researching more, I came across Damian Dining website himself, it's due to the sensor size of N9, which is not the normal 4:3 or 16:9 sensor size, it's trying to achieve best of both world utilizing the image circle (which is while the total sensor size giving 8.7MP), thus in 16:9 mode, it will fully utilize the width of the image circle, resulting in 26mm equivalent on 35mm format.

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Added on October 31, 2011, 4:34 pmArgh darn, the mediadownloader and cuteTube is under paid apps; Haven't been checking since previously loan to others for review.

This post has been edited by Andy214: Oct 31 2011, 04:34 PM