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applesmiley
post Jan 25 2019, 01:06 AM

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My 31st birthday will be in February 2019. I have contributed in Dec 2018. Am I entitled for the incentive? @@
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Q: WHO IS ELIGIBLE FOR THE PRS YOUTH INCENTIVE?

A: • For Malaysians only.
• Aged 20 and above but have yet to reach the age of 31.
• Accumulate a minimum gross investment amount of RM1,000 in a single PRS fund of a single PRS provider within a calendar year, between 2017 till 2018.

Mr. A will be turning 31 on 27 December 2017. He has invested RM1,000 gross amount in PRS X on 2 January 2017. Mr. A will be entitled to the RM1000 incentive from the Government as he made the contribution when he was 30 years old and within the period of 2017 to 2018.*

*Kindly make your contributions at least 1 month before your 31st birthday to allow your application to be processed in time for you to be eligible for the RM1000 incentive.

https://www.fundsupermart.com.my/main/faq/1...me-PRS--8865#27
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post Jan 25 2019, 05:53 AM

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QUOTE(Deathscythe@@ @ Jan 24 2019, 11:18 PM)
My 31st birthday will be in February 2019. I have contributed in Dec 2018. Am I entitled for the incentive? @@
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You should be eligible.

This post has been edited by David83: Jan 25 2019, 05:53 AM
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post Jan 25 2019, 11:20 AM

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QUOTE(applesmiley @ Jan 25 2019, 01:06 AM)

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QUOTE(David83 @ Jan 25 2019, 05:53 AM)
You should be eligible.
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Thanks sifu.. That is great. rclxms.gif
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post Feb 13 2019, 11:33 AM

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QUOTE(Deathscythe@@ @ Jan 23 2019, 11:46 AM)
anyone invested in december 2018 and got the RM 1000 incentive?
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I've invested in October and I've gotten it before 31.12.2018.
Just realised it today after checking the statement rclxms.gif
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post Feb 13 2019, 11:35 AM

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QUOTE(eggtart02 @ Feb 13 2019, 11:33 AM)
I've invested in October and I've gotten it before 31.12.2018.
Just realised it today after checking the statement  rclxms.gif
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The incentive is only disbursed twice in a calendar year.
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post Feb 13 2019, 08:06 PM

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Any fund to recommend? I made RM 130+ lost from CIMB-Principal PRS Plus Asia Pacific Ex Japan Equity last year.
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post Feb 13 2019, 08:34 PM

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QUOTE(zfc @ Feb 13 2019, 08:06 PM)
Any fund to recommend? I made RM 130+ lost from CIMB-Principal PRS Plus Asia Pacific Ex Japan Equity last year.
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Learn to know why the funds fall.
Funds still hold stocks and bonds. So when general market drop, you can't expect fund to not drop also.

Also if you cannot tahan such drop, better to rethink your investment strategies (stick with FDs, Amanah Saham and EPF).

If you want to invest in unit trust be prepare for losses. Welcome to the real world.
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post Feb 13 2019, 09:33 PM

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QUOTE(Ramjade @ Feb 13 2019, 08:34 PM)
Learn to know why the funds fall.
Funds still hold stocks and bonds. So when general market drop,  you can't expect fund to not drop also.

Also if you cannot tahan such drop,  better to rethink your investment strategies (stick with FDs,  Amanah Saham and EPF).

If you want to invest in unit trust be prepare for losses. Welcome to the real world.
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If not for the free RM 1000 and tax reduction, I won't go into this unit trust. Now it is making lost instead of gain. Is this still called retirement scheme or burn money scheme?
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post Feb 13 2019, 09:40 PM

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QUOTE(zfc @ Feb 13 2019, 09:33 PM)
If not for the free RM 1000 and tax reduction, I won't go into this unit trust. Now it is making lost instead of gain. Is this still called retirement scheme or burn money scheme?
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Nobody is forcing you to participate.
The free RM 1000 is that credited back into Acc I and you already in gain right?
Plus, you will get another gain from tax reduction.
Retirement scheme works for a long span and not within 1 year or few months.
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post Feb 13 2019, 09:50 PM

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QUOTE(zfc @ Feb 13 2019, 09:33 PM)
If not for the free RM 1000 and tax reduction, I won't go into this unit trust. Now it is making lost instead of gain. Is this still called retirement scheme or burn money scheme?
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Like I said you need to know why it fall. If you buy blindly then good luck in whatever you buy. You need to know what you are buying.

I bought the same one with you but I am +RM1xx. See the difference? It's about timing. You bought at a high price and there was a major sell down on the eve of Christmas. I lump sum in somewhere after the sell down so I am sitting on positive returns now. We bought the same stuff but essentially at different time. Kind of like shopping at Giant and Tesco. I shop my cooking oil when there's a sale (sell down happens). You did not wait for sales to happen. You bought at whatever price Tesco/Giant was selling.

Unit trust is essentially stock market but you are paying someone to do the buying and selling for you. Like I said please understand what you are buying.

If you cannot tahan such loss, best to stick to safe investment.

What will I do if a sell down happens again? I am prepared to buy again. Cash is already waiting for next buying opportunity. Why? Cause you only make money when you buy at low price and not a high price. Majority of people see high price keep chasing high price (aka cont buying at high price).

So at Eh end of the day, you yourself need to decide what are you going to do? Are you going to continue or you are going to give up? What happen if next fund you buy drop in price? Then you will say unit trust cheat people's money.

For me, I will continue but only when sales is happening. No sales, just seat quietly lo.

QUOTE(David83 @ Feb 13 2019, 09:40 PM)
Nobody is forcing you to participate.
The free RM 1000 is that credited back into Acc I and you already in gain right?
Plus, you will get another gain from tax reduction.
Retirement scheme works for a long span and not within 1 year or few months.
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You must understand majority of the people cannot tahan to see their investment turn - ve and will lose conviction. So yeah a small drop like this will make them want to give up.

This post has been edited by Ramjade: Feb 13 2019, 09:59 PM
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post Feb 14 2019, 12:58 AM

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QUOTE(zfc @ Feb 13 2019, 09:33 PM)
If not for the free RM 1000 and tax reduction, I won't go into this unit trust. Now it is making lost instead of gain. Is this still called retirement scheme or burn money scheme?
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I use to think the same? Why would the government introduce something that makes possible negative return...lol..

But if you take into account the RM 1000 contribution from government.

Assuming investment in 2018 - RM 3k(max up the tax deduction)

Rm1k/Rm3k = your return is 33% already

If you take into account tax deduction...Rm3k x [tax bracket] assuming 16% = Rm480

However if you see from the website it shows your loss cause the Rm1k contribution is not reflected as a gain...

Being said this is a long term investment...I am not sure if averaging the price...buying when is low is sufficient or switching funds is required though...
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post Feb 14 2019, 01:01 AM

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QUOTE(silverviolet @ Feb 14 2019, 12:58 AM)
I use to think the same? Why would the government introduce something that makes possible negative return...lol..

But if you take into account the RM 1000 contribution from government.

Assuming investment in 2018 - RM 3k(max up the tax deduction)

Rm1k/Rm3k = your return is 33% already

If you take into account tax deduction...Rm3k x [tax bracket] assuming 16% = Rm480

However if you see from the website it shows your loss cause the Rm1k contribution is not reflected as a gain...

Being said this is a long term investment...I am not sure if averaging the price...buying when is low is sufficient or switching funds is required though...
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Just buy until 2021. After 2021, no more tax relief, no need to buy anymore. Problem settle.
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post Feb 14 2019, 01:02 AM

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QUOTE(Ramjade @ Feb 14 2019, 01:01 AM)
Just buy until 2021. After 2021, no more tax relief,  no need to buy anymore. Problem settle.
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No need buy anymore ..means do we just leave the funds as it is or is possible to sell it and keep it in the cash account?
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post Feb 14 2019, 01:05 AM

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QUOTE(silverviolet @ Feb 14 2019, 01:02 AM)
No need buy anymore ..means do we just leave the funds as it is or is possible to sell it and keep it in the cash account?
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Keep. No need to sell. You sell you kena penalty of 8%. Overtime, it will be worth something. Of course along the way if something better come, can transfer to that say stashaway if they become a PRS provider.

This post has been edited by Ramjade: Feb 14 2019, 01:06 AM
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post Feb 16 2019, 11:07 AM

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QUOTE(Ramjade @ Feb 13 2019, 09:50 PM)
Like I said you need to know why it fall. If you buy blindly then good luck in whatever you buy. You need to know what you are buying.

I bought the same one with you but I am +RM1xx. See the difference?  It's about timing. You bought at a high price and there was a major sell down on the eve of Christmas. I lump  sum in somewhere after the sell down so I am sitting on positive returns now. We bought the same stuff but essentially at different time. Kind of like shopping at Giant and Tesco. I shop my cooking oil when there's a sale (sell down happens).  You did not wait for sales to happen. You bought at whatever price Tesco/Giant was selling.

Unit trust is essentially stock market but you are paying someone to do the buying and selling for you. Like I said please  understand what you are buying.

If you cannot tahan such loss,  best to stick to safe investment.

What will I do if a sell down happens again?  I am prepared to buy again. Cash is already waiting for next buying opportunity. Why?  Cause you only make money when you buy at low price and not a high price. Majority of people see high price keep chasing high price (aka cont buying at high price).

So at Eh end of the day, you yourself need to decide what are you going to do?  Are you going to continue or you are going to give up?  What happen if next fund you buy drop in price?  Then you will say unit trust cheat people's money.

For me, I will continue but only when sales is happening. No sales, just seat quietly lo.
You must understand majority of the people cannot tahan to see their investment turn - ve and will lose conviction. So yeah a small drop like this will make them want to give up.
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Based on your opinion Ramjade, how do you predict when theres going to be a market sell down? How did you predict the sell down during the evening of Christmas?
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post Feb 16 2019, 02:37 PM

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QUOTE(Ramjade @ Feb 14 2019, 01:05 AM)
Keep. No need to sell. You sell you kena penalty of 8%. Overtime,  it will be worth something. Of course along the way if something better come,  can transfer to that say stashaway if they become a PRS provider.
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If the tax relief ends in 2021, won’t bother with PRS ady.
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post Feb 16 2019, 03:22 PM

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QUOTE(honsiong @ Feb 16 2019, 02:37 PM)
If the tax relief ends in 2021, won’t bother with PRS ady.
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Ya me too, just leave whatever you have put in there. What makes you guys think StashAway will become PRS provider?

It would be awesome if they did!
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post Feb 16 2019, 03:46 PM

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QUOTE(Krv23490 @ Feb 16 2019, 03:22 PM)
Ya me too, just leave whatever you have put in there. What makes you guys think StashAway will become PRS provider?

It would be awesome if they did!
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They are one of the SRS scheme providers in Singapore. PRS copy SRS so why not.
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QUOTE(honsiong @ Feb 16 2019, 03:46 PM)
They are one of the SRS scheme providers in Singapore. PRS copy SRS so why not.
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I see! Good good, maybe somone can ask them during the feedback session!
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post Feb 16 2019, 04:03 PM

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QUOTE(Ramjade @ Feb 14 2019, 01:05 AM)
Keep. No need to sell. You sell you kena penalty of 8%. Overtime,  it will be worth something. Of course along the way if something better come,  can transfer to that say stashaway if they become a PRS provider.
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Ok!thanks for beneficial sharing

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