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silverviolet
post Sep 3 2016, 09:11 PM

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Noobie on PRS...it is possible the prs ut we purchased is in loss?how could it be a retirement instrument?....later nooboe like me try then loss.tht would be @@.much better to put in FD==

Saw a post that someone was making loses and decided to sell..y govpromote it?not everyone pro as the people in this forum

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post Sep 4 2016, 02:02 AM

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QUOTE(Ramjade @ Sep 3 2016, 10:01 PM)
That's why you need to see how UT works. PRS is basically UT for retirement. If you don't want to do PRS, don't. People do it for the income tax (who wants to pay more tax right?) and those people who knows what they are doing earn (decrease tax payment + get more than what EPF give)

Keep in FD = watch your money gets eaten alive bit by bit.  cry.gif  cry.gif FD CANNOT OUTRUN inflation. Don't believe what you read about official inflation rate. Judge for yourself, your regular nasi lemak, veges at pasar, etc. You get the rough idea how much it is.
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Ic.got it. I guess its more for people who are in higher tax bracket and are knowledgable in ut.

Was sarcastically comparing w fd becauss i saw a post that someone sold most of his prs ut at a loss. If he would have invested in asm his return would be a positive.

Tq for your insight:)
silverviolet
post Sep 4 2016, 02:07 AM

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QUOTE(adele123 @ Sep 3 2016, 10:19 PM)
well, the conventional financial economics is that, in the long run, the market (stock market) will go up. so short term fluctuations, are bound to be there.

yes, there's a risk to investment, and there's a downside. and since you are giving your money to be managed by professionals, you are relying on the expertise of the professionals rather than your own.

The reason why government is promoting is because to encourage investing from earlier on to build enough savings at retirement since based on findings by EPF, we don't have enough retirement savings.

in another point of view, by putting in FD, you lose to inflation. so end result is, you lose.

by investing, you may beat inflation and accumulate more wealth, and you may win. at least end result is not a certain lost. does that make sense?

PS: so, ya, by the time i retire i believe PRS should outpace FD by alot. biggrin.gif
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I see at least it is not a certain loss.makes total sense. Lacked knowledge in prs and doubted if it can even give a good return by retirement. read and heard that UT is "tipu" duit.

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post Sep 11 2018, 03:08 PM

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QUOTE(Ramjade @ Sep 11 2018, 02:55 PM)
That's why I said just pick one. I only have one which is CIMB-Principal PRS Plus Asia Pacific Ex-Japan Equity - Class C. Planned to topup when it hits my ori buying price. If I am not mistaken 0.91+ I am not logged in so can't really confirm. What I know is another 10% drop should reach my buying price already.
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Ahh I wanna buy too. good time for me to enter then..hope the youth incentive still available *prays hard*
silverviolet
post Sep 16 2018, 11:53 PM

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Hi Sifus,

Just curious after 2021 when there are no longer any tax benefit...just leave the fund there till we are 55 years old? What if the fund suddenly drop when we are yet to reach 55?


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post Sep 17 2018, 12:02 AM

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QUOTE(MUM @ Sep 16 2018, 11:56 PM)
hmm.gif then die lor I guess..... biggrin.gif

but some  would say.....if it dropped before reaching 55 yrs old....then keep it for a few more years....most equities funds would bounce back after any falls....

if really needed money at 55 yrs old...can get from EPF....
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harh die ar?? is it possible if we sell all funds and the proceeds stays in the ppa account...any interest in the ppa account?


ahh is it taking into account equity funds go up and down but in the long run the graph is actually moving up provided no big economy crisis?
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post Sep 17 2018, 12:52 AM

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QUOTE(MUM @ Sep 17 2018, 12:06 AM)
before the drop,...you can move the PRS fund to conservative PRS fund.....
in conservative PRS fund....mostly invested in bond funds....thus less volatile....

but if it already dropped before you reached 55 yrs......then it is too late to move.....

on yr 2nd question....
Warren Buffett Explains Why Over Time Stocks Go Up
https://www.forbes.com/sites/bryanrich/2016...e-stocks-go-up/

https://www.google.com/search?q=why+does+th...iw=1920&bih=963
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Thank you for sharing~So it is about time interval.
i guess if it drops by the time 55 years old, just leave it in the fund and withdraw when it recovers be it later than 55 years old.
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post Sep 18 2018, 07:51 PM

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QUOTE(deadravel @ Sep 18 2018, 10:06 AM)
1 thing to take note is. must choose the correct stock also ma only will go up.  whistling.gif

but for fund context, its a basket of stock.
so.. it will follow market trends for the specific type of stocks the fund contains whistling.gif
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Ok..also see luck I guess
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post Sep 18 2018, 07:52 PM

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post Sep 24 2018, 04:14 PM

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The price for prs update real slow..how to know what price it is prior buying?
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post Nov 4 2018, 01:27 PM

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QUOTE(Snoopie @ Nov 3 2018, 01:38 PM)
I have input as below:
User ID PPA<NRIC>
Telephone number

And when I click submit, it appear this "You have not yet register your email address. Please contact 1300-131-772 for assistance. (1005)".

How do I register my email address?
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U need to call the number and they will register your email address for you

silverviolet
post Dec 15 2018, 10:20 PM

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QUOTE(honsiong @ Dec 15 2018, 12:56 PM)
October 2018 - got the bonus on 10th December.
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i invested end of September but yet to receive the incentive sweat.gif
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post Dec 15 2018, 10:28 PM

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QUOTE(silverviolet @ Dec 15 2018, 10:20 PM)
i invested end of September but yet to receive the incentive sweat.gif
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After checking PRS website. I have received the contribution too rclxms.gif
Fundsupermart not updated.
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post Feb 14 2019, 12:58 AM

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QUOTE(zfc @ Feb 13 2019, 09:33 PM)
If not for the free RM 1000 and tax reduction, I won't go into this unit trust. Now it is making lost instead of gain. Is this still called retirement scheme or burn money scheme?
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I use to think the same? Why would the government introduce something that makes possible negative return...lol..

But if you take into account the RM 1000 contribution from government.

Assuming investment in 2018 - RM 3k(max up the tax deduction)

Rm1k/Rm3k = your return is 33% already

If you take into account tax deduction...Rm3k x [tax bracket] assuming 16% = Rm480

However if you see from the website it shows your loss cause the Rm1k contribution is not reflected as a gain...

Being said this is a long term investment...I am not sure if averaging the price...buying when is low is sufficient or switching funds is required though...
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post Feb 14 2019, 01:02 AM

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QUOTE(Ramjade @ Feb 14 2019, 01:01 AM)
Just buy until 2021. After 2021, no more tax relief,  no need to buy anymore. Problem settle.
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No need buy anymore ..means do we just leave the funds as it is or is possible to sell it and keep it in the cash account?
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post Feb 16 2019, 04:03 PM

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QUOTE(Ramjade @ Feb 14 2019, 01:05 AM)
Keep. No need to sell. You sell you kena penalty of 8%. Overtime,  it will be worth something. Of course along the way if something better come,  can transfer to that say stashaway if they become a PRS provider.
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Ok!thanks for beneficial sharing

 

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