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 Honda Civic Hybrid Battery Kong, 2 months after warranty.

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post Oct 3 2011, 05:10 PM

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QUOTE(lunchtime @ Oct 3 2011, 04:57 PM)
i clearly understand, but i would like to highlight the price difference between the cars. That sum pumps a lot of ron 95.
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the price difference of the 2 cars (in malaysian context) is heaven and earth..

this example is to show 2 extreme ends, M3 (high performance, high CC) vs supposedly fuel efficient (regular day to day hybrid)
it would be interesting to see if the hybrid is pitted against a closer competitor... but that is not the case

the case here is that hybrid will give poor consumption figures too if it is gunned all out
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post Oct 3 2011, 05:13 PM

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QUOTE(Deja Vu @ Oct 3 2011, 04:19 PM)
While I'm 101% behind diesel rather than hybrid for its strong low end torque (modern turbo diesels) simple but effective, flexible fuel mixtures n proven mechanicals, I'm still dissapointed wit our G's slow response to improve local diesel standard across d land.

And like u said newer stations hv cleaner diesel, so diesel consumers r to hunt n pump only at new stations n stay away from older stations or risk changing d particle filter more often. Tis alone is a step backwards since there is already some talk on which fuel company is best recommended n now we r to narrow it further down to only their newer pumps.  rclxub.gif

But as for hybrids, i believe that any1 tat wans to buy it should get it clear tat they r helping to reduce their carbon output,  NOT expecting to get better fc as most ppl r thinking. Even though there r some drawbacks n grey areas in d local market. Then there is also d big question on how d expired batteries r to be disposed since we r already aware on how existing everyday batteries (AA ,AAA, cell phone batteries, digital camera batteries etc) require special disposal methods.
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For those living in the cities, why worry... many new stations open yearly. Those in outskirts will worry but then again, they won't bother about black smoke or what so ever for as long the car moves.


Added on October 3, 2011, 5:14 pm
QUOTE(lunchtime @ Oct 3 2011, 04:57 PM)
buy a Ford Focus diesel, what the resale value after 5 years?

almost every car manufacturer are developing hybrids, even Plotong is developing one. why pinpoint honda? it is because they are among the 1st to bring this technology to Malaysia? very soon, you will find hybrids everywhere, whether you like it or not.

as for batteries, it will be cheaper when hybrids are more common on the road. same goes for parts. Honda is not stupid.


Added on October 3, 2011, 5:01 pm
i clearly understand, but i would like to highlight the price difference between the cars. That sum pumps a lot of ron 95.
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Diesel value will sure go up once petrol hits RM 3/L. Trust me... saw this when Petrol went up 2 years back. As for hybrid, I'm sure the value will be lower than diesel after 5 years because battery lifespan almost up. Ask any car dealer. Answer the same.

Right now, I'm hunting for used Renault Kangoo turbo diesel and could not find any except petrol version. Love this van... very economical in the long run.

This post has been edited by acbc: Oct 3 2011, 05:16 PM
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post Oct 3 2011, 05:25 PM

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QUOTE(Deja Vu @ Oct 3 2011, 04:19 PM)
While I'm 101% behind diesel rather than hybrid for its strong low end torque (modern turbo diesels) simple but effective, flexible fuel mixtures n proven mechanicals, I'm still dissapointed wit our G's slow response to improve local diesel standard across d land.

And like u said newer stations hv cleaner diesel, so diesel consumers r to hunt n pump only at new stations n stay away from older stations or risk changing d particle filter more often. Tis alone is a step backwards since there is already some talk on which fuel company is best recommended n now we r to narrow it further down to only their newer pumps.  rclxub.gif

But as for hybrids, i believe that any1 tat wans to buy it should get it clear tat they r helping to reduce their carbon output,  NOT expecting to get better fc as most ppl r thinking. Even though there r some drawbacks n grey areas in d local market. Then there is also d big question on how d expired batteries r to be disposed since we r already aware on how existing everyday batteries (AA ,AAA, cell phone batteries, digital camera batteries etc) require special disposal methods.
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why choose either diesel or hybrid?

why dun get Diesel hybrid.. thumbup.gif
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post Oct 3 2011, 06:57 PM

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QUOTE(ar188 @ Oct 3 2011, 05:25 PM)
why choose either diesel or hybrid?

why dun get Diesel hybrid..  thumbup.gif
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I may opt for diesel hybrid if it gives more than 1000km per full tank. Otherwise, ain't worth the high cost of spare parts and future problems later.
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post Oct 3 2011, 07:30 PM

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Dem.. make me scare to buy hybrid..
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post Oct 3 2011, 08:18 PM

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renault kangoo diesel that we have here is for commercial version only if not mistaken..u should get the fiat multipla instead.. brows.gif
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post Oct 3 2011, 11:06 PM

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QUOTE(megat89 @ Oct 3 2011, 08:18 PM)
renault kangoo diesel that we have here is for commercial version only if not mistaken..u should get the fiat multipla instead.. brows.gif
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Got private version if u buy from TC direct. Used as company van. Last I asked, it was 50k complete with DVD audio system.
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post Oct 4 2011, 08:35 AM

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QUOTE(ar188 @ Oct 3 2011, 05:25 PM)
why choose either diesel or hybrid?

why dun get Diesel hybrid..  thumbup.gif
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Diesel Hybrid? blink.gif
U mean
- diesel + petrol
- diesel + electric ?

But y go diesel hybrid when many modern diesel engines can already run on pre-mix diesel while maintaining almost similar output n fc?
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post Oct 4 2011, 09:11 AM

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QUOTE(Deja Vu @ Oct 4 2011, 08:35 AM)
Diesel Hybrid?  blink.gif
U mean
- diesel + petrol
- diesel + electric ?

But y go diesel hybrid when many modern diesel engines can already run on pre-mix diesel while maintaining almost similar output n fc?
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Diesel already good enough...no need hybrid diesel.

IMO, the near future, Diesel can be good substitute for petrol. EV cars should be the level to aim for for renewable energy source...provided the issue of cost, power (can we achieve 120km/h without running out of juice in 30 minutes?) and ease of recharging (15 minutes to charge? Or better yet...3 MINUTES for a full charge!) the cars are resolved.
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post Oct 4 2011, 09:29 AM

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QUOTE(Deja Vu @ Oct 4 2011, 08:35 AM)
Diesel Hybrid?  blink.gif
U mean
- diesel + petrol
- diesel + electric ?

But y go diesel hybrid when many modern diesel engines can already run on pre-mix diesel while maintaining almost similar output n fc?
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because they can go even further MPG? or that this is another option available?

http://www.btimes.com.my/Current_News/BTIM...nasim4/Article/


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post Oct 4 2011, 10:19 AM

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If EV cars were to be the norm then TNB would just continually increase electric tariff until people start to curse TNB or sold off their EV cars... back to oil burners.


Added on October 4, 2011, 10:23 am
QUOTE(Matrix @ Oct 3 2011, 04:46 PM)
i bet 99% of people looking at hybrid to save fuel ($$)...NOT GIVE A FCUK about environment issues....just a fact.
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I would make it 100%. People that really cares about environment issues won't even get a car at all, not to say that hybrid car causes even worse pollution then a normal one.

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post Oct 4 2011, 10:23 AM

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we need more green power generators from TNB insted of them burning coal, and diesel we need NUKE!!!!


Added on October 4, 2011, 10:24 am(I know you guys gonna FLAME me hahaha)

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post Oct 4 2011, 10:36 AM

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TNB won't do any upgrade. All income goes to pocket & bonuses. Until they run out of way then they will cry for Gov help and use our money to upgrade. Then came the news because upgrade cost alot, the tariff have to increase again.

Rince & repeat. wink.gif



Anyway, I would prefer pure diesel than diesel hybrid. And diesel hybrid than petrol hybrid.



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post Oct 4 2011, 10:45 AM

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NUKE NUKE NUKE NUKE NUKE!!!!
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post Oct 4 2011, 10:56 AM

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Honda told the court they had offered to replace the battery of the Civic Hybrid but Latifah rejected the offer. The claimant then told the tribunal Honda had refused to entertain her request for battery replacement until the matter is brought to the tribunal and she felt the offer was not good enough and the tribunal president agreed claimant had a right to refuse offers that are deemed not good enough.


Greedy means greedy la. I know she wants either new car or more money compensate. Which is off tribunals claims case in the first place. She sure going to kena one.


Added on October 4, 2011, 10:59 am
QUOTE(acbc @ Oct 3 2011, 05:13 PM)
For those living in the cities, why worry... many new stations open yearly. Those in outskirts will worry but then again, they won't bother about black smoke or what so ever for as long the car moves.


Added on October 3, 2011, 5:14 pm

Diesel value will sure go up once petrol hits RM 3/L. Trust me... saw this when Petrol went up 2 years back. As for hybrid, I'm sure the value will be lower than diesel after 5 years because battery lifespan almost up. Ask any car dealer. Answer the same.

Right now, I'm hunting for used Renault Kangoo turbo diesel and could not find any except petrol version. Love this van... very economical in the long run.
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The diesel Renault Kangoo is only available for commercial use. It was never offered as normal passenger cars. It is a 3 door can compared to the normal Kangoo. The only company i seen actually buying a lot of this to use is RidPest. Maybe u can hunt for used unit from them. But it might not be able to be converted to passenger car level.

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post Oct 4 2011, 11:00 AM

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QUOTE(calvin_ng @ Oct 4 2011, 10:23 AM)
we need more green power generators from TNB insted of them burning coal, and diesel we need NUKE!!!!


Added on October 4, 2011, 10:24 am(I know you guys gonna FLAME me hahaha)
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post Oct 4 2011, 11:51 AM

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QUOTE(calvin_ng @ Oct 2 2011, 09:16 PM)
Airbag rarely die although stated 10 years but most of them exceed 10 years no issue.

Yes battery may go up interm of price but as I know when battery is rm2 the monthly salary rm1800 is manager salary try getting a manager to work for you for rm1800!!! Hahaha but I believe battery is more affordable now why? Last time I remember taking money to buy rechargeable battery is so expensive that no one will buy (I know cause I use it to play RC) furthermore now I have tons of lipo for my RC heli and monster truck and alot of Nimh for the controller and guess what I feel it is affordable and cheap. Well cheaper compare to gasoline RC. You may argue that but I believe battery is getting cheaper compare to other product like petrol. Pastime I pump rm35 on wira full tank already try pump rm35 to a wira now hahaha
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dude, u play heli? r u in my fb honda insight malaysia?


Added on October 4, 2011, 11:56 am
QUOTE(SteadyPana @ Oct 3 2011, 04:13 PM)
Guess most of us bought Hybrid will be for the sake to enjoy the tax exemption to the G.

For instance, Insight will save RM75K of tax !!!!!

Any CBU car owner here able to tell us that he or she able to save this amount of $$$ ????

Or asking yourself how much $$ you paid to G for a CBU car you bought ???

We will talk about to save $$ for Hybrid car when patrol price goes Market Value which is RM3.X for RON 95 - which will be a bonus for Hybrid Cars  tongue.gif
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spot on !!

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post Oct 4 2011, 12:21 PM

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I play heli maaa and Monster Truck.. all Electric Power smile.gif thats why I have confidence in battery powered car.. no offence...
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post Oct 4 2011, 12:39 PM

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Diesel low end torque awesome but high end torque hopeless.

So if good pickup is what u like,get a diesel, but at high speed got no oommmpphh
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post Oct 4 2011, 04:34 PM

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QUOTE(kevin23 @ Oct 4 2011, 12:39 PM)
Diesel low end torque awesome but high end torque hopeless.

So if good pickup is what u like,get a diesel, but at high speed got no oommmpphh
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but who really needs top speed, speed limit is only 110kmph on the highway, i'm sure u don't need to go any faster than 150kmph because u'll receive a lot of love letters from the cops. Torque is the way to go.

hybrids or EVs will be obsolete within 15 years because by then all cars will be running hydrogen fuel cell.

for all u guys who buys hybrids, i really respect u, save more petrol for me so i can enjoy my petrol powered turbocharged car, thank you so much notworthy.gif

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