15 years... I dont know change how many car adee hahahaha

have u actually own (too harsh on you), driven a modern diesel powered car before commenting on their high speed lack of oommph ?

FYI all the major car manufacturers are planning to push Hydrogen fuel cell cars starting 2015 for the mass. When this happens they will stop producing hybrids and EVs (yes this includes honda and toyota). As for malaysia and other 3rd world countries, it's possible we'll get it around 2025. By then petrol prices will be too expensive to use. If u want a long lasting car without the fear of the technology becomes obsolete, diesels are your best bet because A) they run like clockwork and can last for decades and B) there are plenty of substitute for the black stuff (all kinds of bio-fuel) so the prices of diesel won't become like petrol in the future

well if you know how power is defined that no need to state the obvious la..

if turbodiesel gives you 400Nm of torque it won't be at 5000-6000rpm lor.. cos that would result in 300BHP or more.. which it aint got..

diesel engines can't rev that high, average max rpm is around 5k rpm

you know your stuffs brother and excellent points on pushing the less popular diesel powered vehicles.

that's why it has lots of torque but not the power figures that petrol engines produce that kind of torque usually have. because it can't rev that high,
rev x torque = power. , not enuf rev or not enuf torque = not enuf power.

not many petrol engines can produce the kind of torque diesels can make (compare same cc). even if they did, the torque won't come as soon as diesel ones. even if the torque comes as early as diesels, the price will be 3 times more expensive.

the only petrol engine I can think of that can match the torque and torque range is the Audi 2.0 TFSI

not really Hybrid have the torque as the Diesel Engine (The torque come from 0-3k rpm) kinda early do you think

The so called high low torque that comes early in Hybrid car all gimmick only...I was tempted by Totota Prius gimmick of the power of 2.4 ..Darm..I tekan also the car feel so heavy from the start...If I can get the claimed 2.4cc torque..I already a prius owner liao

there u have it. it's all BS made up by car manufacturers, try it and u'll see.

i think's it's a lose-lose situation for honda.

Cause if they come out with the report to justify the battery faulty in month 22, then they are killing their own market as people will not buy their hybrid anymore.

I think lotsa new Gen Honda really having quality issue.. this time the battery - well chances outsourced to a China plant and producing sub-standard Ni-Mh batteries?? -memory problem? ..Other latest version of Honda models even those Civic also having tinnes of quality issues

Private registration have. Saw 1. Owner bought from TC used. Have 2 side windows at the back. According to him, TC wanted to bid for taxi project back in 2007 but lost. So, they sold off to staff or internal use. Wasted didn't buy one earlier. I found at TC service centre for 50k back in 2010.

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Added on October 5, 2011, 1:17 pmWhy need to high rev? Torque is more important. On petrol, u have to rev high to get more torque while u only need to relax on diesel. And yes, it can be boring to drive but low FC and cheap maintenance counts here. With low rev, there will be less wear and tear for engine parts. Some diesel engines have clocked 1M kilometers.

This post has been edited by acbc: Oct 5 2011, 07:12 PM

pls read my post (with quotes from other forumer) before explaining this to me, i already know most things (including your answer) about diesels

Yes- low end torque is important to me and thus, when i was looking for new cars few mths ago..I was considering Prius, Camry and Sonata.

Prius torque figure really interest me..High torque at low RPM. So I went for a test drive thinking yeah this will be my nxt car and furthermore low fc. When i test drove it..my god...all those figures as claimed...all bull shitting..high torque & low RPM? darm..even the torque worst than my older Sentra & Waja..not to mention my sold Civic FD1..

you dont feel it cause all thanks to the CVT.... it is the whole bladi problem is the CVT... it smoothen and suppressed the torque until no oomph....

fuuuuuu...mat cha nih sure alot

hmm.. before I sell my City 2006 the recorded is 250,000

The CVT in Prius is different - not using any belt at all. Instead I would blame more on the battery weight - the extra torque they promised countered by the extra battery weight. And 2nd on the CVT.

Take the money and invest in Focus TDCi.

Diesel high torque low RPM... but if the gearing is sparser, it will make a balance in acceleration & top speed.

Still invest in diesel better than hybrid. You never know slight modification you can use vegetable oils.

This post has been edited by dstl1128: Oct 5 2011, 04:48 PM