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 Honda Civic Hybrid Battery Kong, 2 months after warranty.

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post Oct 5 2011, 05:30 PM

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QUOTE(dstl1128 @ Oct 5 2011, 04:47 PM)
The CVT in Prius is different - not using any belt at all. Instead I would blame more on the battery weight - the extra torque they promised countered by the extra battery weight. And 2nd on the CVT. tongue.gif

Take the money and invest in Focus TDCi. 

Diesel high torque low RPM...  but if the gearing is sparser, it will make a balance in acceleration & top speed.

Still invest in diesel better than hybrid. You never know slight modification you can use vegetable oils.
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I think vege oil more expensive than petrol...just look at your Minyak Jagung Mazola...LOL....Seriously, one of the reason bio fuel never takes off...palm oil price keeps fluctuating...when it is high, not worth the trouble to convert as biofuel....
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post Oct 5 2011, 06:24 PM

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QUOTE(lunchtime @ Oct 2 2011, 07:29 PM)
honda insight is one stupid car and honda is one BS company..  better buy vios, myvis, protons lancer .. these are the bestest & fastest sports cars  rclxms.gif
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wow, i didn't know vios and myvi is sports car... fuiyo.
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post Oct 5 2011, 06:36 PM

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QUOTE(stormlcc @ Oct 5 2011, 09:23 AM)
not many petrol engines can produce the kind of torque diesels can make (compare same cc).  even if they did, the torque won't come as soon as diesel ones.  even if the torque comes as early as diesels, the price will be 3 times more expensive.

the only petrol engine I can think of that can match the torque and torque range is the Audi 2.0 TFSI
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again you can have large torque at lower rpm but due to limited rpm range and hence lower peak power, the pull won't last long.. as you would have run out of steam at higher rpm.. still have to change gear soon enough..


Added on October 5, 2011, 6:38 pm
QUOTE(stimix @ Oct 5 2011, 10:36 AM)
The so called high low torque that comes early in Hybrid car all gimmick only...I was tempted by Totota Prius gimmick of the power of 2.4 ..Darm..I tekan also the car feel so heavy from the start...If I can get the claimed 2.4cc torque..I already a prius owner liao
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cos you havent tried high CC with powerful Electric motor hybrids..
anyway I doubt 2.4CC can pull any real car.. laugh.gif

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post Oct 5 2011, 07:13 PM

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QUOTE(Matrix @ Oct 5 2011, 05:30 PM)
I think vege oil more expensive than petrol...just look at your Minyak Jagung Mazola...LOL....Seriously, one of the reason bio fuel never takes off...palm oil price keeps fluctuating...when it is high, not worth the trouble to convert as biofuel....
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Vege oil will be cheap if u can buy used from fast food restaurants who are happy to get rid of it. U then filter it and voila... clean vege oil.
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post Oct 5 2011, 08:32 PM

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QUOTE(acbc @ Oct 5 2011, 07:13 PM)
Vege oil will be cheap if u can buy used from fast food restaurants who are happy to get rid of it. U then filter it and voila... clean vege oil.
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sounds like thats happening in china now. they get the used oil, and turning it back to the dinner table biggrin.gif
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post Oct 5 2011, 09:11 PM

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QUOTE(turbocharged @ Oct 5 2011, 08:32 PM)
sounds like thats happening in china now. they get the used oil, and turning it back to the dinner table biggrin.gif
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Recycle food....gila punya....seriously, i banned all foodstuff from China....like all those canned stuff....If it's from China, i ain't eating....(unless i dunno, then no choice lar).
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post Oct 6 2011, 08:55 AM

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Hybrid is for rich and eco minded people... they just want to be different and don't mind paying more. If everyone like them, T and H will be Number 1 in MY already.

However, smart people will opt for diesel because it is cheap to run and to maintain. Who cares about engine noise while driving? Many new diesel cars have good insulation - u can't hear the diesel clatter from inside.

Some say diesel road tax is double and I say they are outdated. Hello, diesel road tax since 2009 same as petrol road tax.

Others might say cost of diesel will go up and I will say, if it does, so does your daily essential goods as diesel is a transportation fuel. Any increase will also affect all kinds of transportation.

A few may say our local diesel is dirty... so what? Euro2 works on any modern diesel engines because they have one or two diesel particulate filter installed as standard which u need to replace every 40000 km. Even then, u can stretch the filter to 60000km (I did that on my Triton).

Even petrol engines have a filter but people don't bother changing unless the car refuse the start or fuel delivery not consistent. I learned my lesson when my then 15 year old car refuse to start despite having a full tank of RON97 and a new fuel pump. After replacing the filter, car started without a hitch.

The NGV community will fight back saying NGV is cheaper... yes, cheap fuel but engine will die faster because NGV is very dry and will cause the head gasket to crack (owners will solve this problem by starting with petrol for a few mins b4 switching to NGV). NGV conversion ain't cheap u know. Plus, how many Petronas stations have NGV pumps? Will u travel up to 30km or queue up 15 mins to fill up the tank? Waste of time. Not to mention getting jeers and laughs from taxi drivers.

If still want hybrid, I'm banking my money on diesel hybrid... only if can get more than 1000km on full tank of pure city driving. If less, ain't worth the extra cost and expensive spare parts.

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It takes lots of convincing for car manufacturers to put hybrid diesels into production.

Toyota & Volkswagen had made a prototype & both reach the same conclusion....It's not good business sense for them.
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post Oct 6 2011, 09:53 AM

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Diesel engine - good FC for similar CC comparing wth petrol and low running cost of not worry about replacing the Hybrid battery.
but but....Noisy engine, and hi-end power lacking wan although superb pick-up...Pros & cons lah..
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post Oct 6 2011, 09:56 AM

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QUOTE(Matrix @ Oct 5 2011, 05:30 PM)
I think vege oil more expensive than petrol...just look at your Minyak Jagung Mazola...LOL....Seriously, one of the reason bio fuel never takes off...palm oil price keeps fluctuating...when it is high, not worth the trouble to convert as biofuel....
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Probably I use the wrong words. I mean it can be recycled-used cooking oil. Anyway bio fuel is useless.




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post Oct 6 2011, 09:58 AM

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QUOTE(dstl1128 @ Oct 6 2011, 09:56 AM)
Probably I use the wrong words. I mean it can be recycled-used cooking oil. Anyway bio fuel is useless.
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Serious?? Is this possible?? Never heard of this b4. shocking.gif.....so those, yau char kuow and goreng pisang seller can use their recycled cooking oil in their cars?? tongue.gif
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post Oct 6 2011, 10:01 AM

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True-lah. Those bio-fuel actually bought used cooking oil esp those black-clack dy & recycle it to bio-fuel. I saw local documentary on this b4.

QUOTE(Matrix @ Oct 6 2011, 09:58 AM)
Serious?? Is this possible?? Never heard of this b4. shocking.gif.....so those, yau char kuow and goreng pisang seller can use their recycled cooking oil in their cars?? tongue.gif
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post Oct 6 2011, 12:26 PM

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if u like diesel, buy a diesel engined car, if u like hybrid, buy a hybrid engined car, which one is better? of course, the one u like lah. u wont say your choice of car is bad over another man's pick.


as long as u and me happy with our wallets, end story.

it'll be endless, if we compare to cost, whenever one party said it has the lowest cost per km, the other party would say, that it come at the expense of power,torque bla bla,

if the party under fire said, well, my car do run cheap and have higher torque, then they'll fire another salvo saying your car dont have higher horsepower lah bla bla bla.

then, after all else fails, blame the hybrid battery cost..aiyah, its almost the same cost with you upgrading your rims and ICE.

in the end, what have we concluded? diesel are more superior than petrol? hybrid sucks, turbodiesel won?


can we just discuss and focus on the pros and cons of our ride. others will be well informed too.


Added on October 6, 2011, 1:04 pmin my OPINION,

we own cars based on our budget. there is no right and wrong over our choosing, you and me sir. there is nothing bad about diesel or petrol or vege oil or NGV. No one likes to be critised anyway..especially over our rides, because we love our ride, you and me sir.

during my younger days, i have own several national and non-national cars, i modded the cars to gain extra oomph and satisfaction..most people does.

but how does all this modification benefit me in the long run, i have failed to see. yes i can drive fast to high heavens, i can brake the car in the shortest distance, but then, how fast can we drive in our road or highways, u can reached 180-190km/h but for how long, there will always be a time when a late-turning car who will eventually cut into our lane, and then we will have to slow down and accelerate again. rage ensues. we sit at traffic light, and when we try to accelerate past another car, the other car will pressed his throttle hard, adamant to not let u pass his car (because his car is powerful than yours), and u retaliate back, rage ensues.

nowadays, there are a lot of cars on the road, traffic volume in puchong was 40,000 in 2004 but multiquadrapled to 440,000 in 2010. this literally means that our roads are choked with cars, in other words, there will be plenty of cars and a lot less space for us to 'enjoy' our car. we will be cramped bumper to bumper, side by side, just to move forward to get to our destination. in the process, we burn more fuel. just look at during festive holidays, our NSE are clogged to the max with cars. everyone burns fuel. for nothing.


we need to use less fuel, which will translate to less cost to u and me. we also need to care for the environment. i believe, hybrid cars are good technology that will help towards reducing emission and lowering our crave for fuel. BMW and AUDI have also starts putting motor electric on their cars. well, these are not bench markers but the trend is slowly going towards this direction. the cars have changed, we also need to change.

there are other technology still in development, like hydrogen fuel cell car (Honda Clarity), and other mumbo jumbo high tech stuff which is still beyond our reach (even if it does, we will always criticize it down to its manufacturing process because we don't like to change to new technology),
nonetheless there are also other technology that helps to reduce fuel consumption, like VTG, common rail turbo diesel, REEV, EV.

as i said, there is nothing wrong with our choosing. i chose a hybrid car and happy with my decision, and pretty much impressed about its efficiency, and the manner which it recycles energy and conserved them and cutting down consumption whenever we don't need it (like auto-stop function).

please stop giving a bad reputation over something, just because there is one bad apple on the farm. yes, the battery of the writer's hybrid fails. a replacement is being offered and why we need to bury a wonderful technology (hybrid) that is so wonderful millions of people around the world loves it.

would u still be driving your high powered torque and high powered engine car through a traffic jam in the future. don't u want to try something different?

regards.

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post Oct 6 2011, 02:20 PM

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agree with ur opinion, im also had civic hybrid car..very satistfied with this car..
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post Oct 6 2011, 03:14 PM

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totally agree... I believe all petrol car should be hybrid,

the way it recycle waste energy to the battery and use the recycle energy to boost the car is actually a cleaver design...

currently all non hybrid car has alot of wastage energy durring traffic stop... I believe this is a waste... waste of petrol burning it and become smoke when you sit in the traffic jam... you also know laaa to turn off tap water when finish using and not keeping the water flowing non stop... this is called conserve energy... petrol also same why keep the engine running when you stuck in jam... or keep the engine running when you are slowing down (de-celerating)

I choose a hybrid cause it is smart and stop petrol wastage...
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post Oct 6 2011, 03:56 PM

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in order not to waste petrol, Follow those folks in bangkok haha..Everytime they stuck in jam or stop at traffic light, they stop their engine - You dun see this in m'sia
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Bicycle Rulezzz!!!!!

*ps am a hybrid user too.. lolx
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Auto Start Stop will kill the starter / generator faster in a matter of years and very expensive to replace. Now u enjoy the hybrid technology... fast forward 5 years and problems start coming up and u fork out hefty sums for replacement. On top of that, parts only available from H or T not chop shops like most cars.
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QUOTE(acbc @ Oct 6 2011, 05:12 PM)
Auto Start Stop will kill the starter / generator faster in a matter of years and very expensive to replace. Now u enjoy the hybrid technology... fast forward 5 years and problems start coming up and u fork out hefty sums for replacement. On top of that, parts only available from H or T not chop shops like most cars.
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sue honda, they will replace, as in Page 1
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QUOTE(acbc @ Oct 6 2011, 05:12 PM)
Auto Start Stop will kill the starter / generator faster in a matter of years and very expensive to replace. Now u enjoy the hybrid technology... fast forward 5 years and problems start coming up and u fork out hefty sums for replacement. On top of that, parts only available from H or T not chop shops like most cars.
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They don't use starter to start the engine laaa they use the brushless motor and brushless means maintenance free


Added on October 6, 2011, 7:33 pmAlso I believe sooner or later sure got chop shop parts one... Currently insight and Prius is the best selling car in japan

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