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mintgadget
post May 17 2013, 06:11 PM

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Want to find out if the RB2011 running 802.3ad will be the same as a switch that supports this protocol? I am unable to get full speed to my NAS.
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post May 17 2013, 07:17 PM

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QUOTE(yushin @ May 10 2013, 11:45 AM)
L2TP works if I connect from internal wifi. When I try to connect from outside (3G) through WAN interface, unable to see the server.

My config:

WAN -- Linksys RV042 -- RB750GL

I already enable port forward in Linksys RV042.
1) UDP port 1701
2) UDP port 500

The log from Linksys shows that external connection received and forwarded at port 500, however the RB750GL does not receive the data. (I did not see any port 500 connection in IP-->firewall-->connection)

I suspect the RB750GL's default firewall setting is causing the problem. Can I delete all the setting under the firewall rules?
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post May 17 2013, 07:22 PM

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QUOTE(yushin @ May 10 2013, 11:45 AM)
L2TP works if I connect from internal wifi. When I try to connect from outside (3G) through WAN interface, unable to see the server.

My config:

WAN -- Linksys RV042 -- RB750GL

I already enable port forward in Linksys RV042.
1) UDP port 1701
2) UDP port 500

The log from Linksys shows that external connection received and forwarded at port 500, however the RB750GL does not receive the data. (I did not see any port 500 connection in IP-->firewall-->connection)

I suspect the RB750GL's default firewall setting is causing the problem. Can I delete all the setting under the firewall rules?
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I am running a L2TP transparent VPN between 2 mikrotik routers, no issues.

What are you doing with your RV042?
Having 2 router setup can really complicate matters...

Your mikrotik is connected as a ROUTER? or as a switch? what is the purpose of your Mikrotik?



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post May 20 2013, 08:48 PM

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Ladies and gentlemen, the full version of latest RouterOS, version 6 is out of beta and available now!!!

http://download2.mikrotik.com/routeros/6.0...-mipsbe-6.0.npk

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post May 21 2013, 09:21 AM

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Anyone can test the auto negotiate, if it fix in Ver 6. Look like a major bug and many having issue.

I am planing to put one mikrotik behind the synology NAS, but the autonegotiate issue raised my concern.

http://forum.mikrotik.com/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=70166


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post May 21 2013, 11:21 PM

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QUOTE(weikee @ May 21 2013, 09:21 AM)
Anyone can test the auto negotiate, if it fix in Ver 6. Look like a major bug and many having issue.

I am planing to put one mikrotik behind the synology NAS, but the autonegotiate issue raised my concern.

http://forum.mikrotik.com/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=70166
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Hmmm... I am running it behind my NAS and I am not getting consistent speed with LACP. Perhaps have something to do with this auto negotiate issue. From the thread you posted, someone mentioned that the problem have not been sorted yet.
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post May 22 2013, 08:39 AM

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QUOTE(mintgadget @ May 21 2013, 11:21 PM)
Hmmm... I am running it behind my NAS and I am not getting consistent speed with LACP. Perhaps have something to do with this auto negotiate issue. From the thread you posted, someone mentioned that the problem have not been sorted yet.
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It could be, best check the console what connection speed did you get any crc error and packet drop.

They did not mention about solution. And it look like they may only want to focus the fix on V6 claim is a major rewrite. How to have good support and use this for corporate level with this kind of respond.
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QUOTE(weikee @ May 22 2013, 08:39 AM)
It could be, best check the console what connection speed did you get any crc error and packet drop. 

They did not mention about solution. And it look like they may only want to focus the fix on V6 claim is a major rewrite. How to have good support and use this for corporate level with this kind of respond.
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well for the price of their product... sometimes its like that...

feels like some hardware incompatibility
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post May 22 2013, 10:14 AM

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QUOTE(JinXXX @ May 22 2013, 10:02 AM)
well for the price of their product... sometimes its like that...

feels like some hardware incompatibility
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There is a saying pay peanut, get monkey. But sometime small things like this they should have look into it in the initial deployment. Lucky I have not buy any Gigabits mikrotik router yet.
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post May 22 2013, 11:26 AM

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QUOTE(eric_tan @ May 17 2013, 07:22 PM)
I am running a L2TP transparent VPN between 2 mikrotik routers, no issues.

What are you doing with your RV042?
Having 2 router setup can really complicate matters...

Your mikrotik is connected as a ROUTER? or as a switch? what is the purpose of your Mikrotik?
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I remove the RV042 and use the RB750 as the main router and L2TP server, everything working fine now.
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post May 22 2013, 11:28 AM

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QUOTE(weikee @ May 22 2013, 10:14 AM)
There is a saying pay peanut, get monkey. But sometime small things like this they should have look into it in the initial deployment. Lucky I have not buy any Gigabits mikrotik router yet.
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You know what? You are like a Cisco boy that either not willing to spend money or not having enough money so you buy a MikroTik for RM200 but still expect it give you everything, so you keep complaining how bad it is and even asking for support?

Most MikroTik devices have gigabit ports and you don't even have one, which lowest and most basic model did you buy?

You are totally funny blush.gif my advice to you: go back to your cisco and pay thousands ringgit to get the support you want, don't act like a cheapskate here

MikroTik is not Cisco, you spend effort to learn enough before you can handle it
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post May 22 2013, 11:47 AM

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QUOTE(Steve78 @ May 22 2013, 11:28 AM)
You know what? You are like a Cisco boy that either not willing to spend money or not having enough money so you buy a MikroTik for RM200 but still expect it give you everything, so you keep complaining how bad it is and even asking for support?

Most MikroTik devices have gigabit ports and you don't even have one, which lowest and most basic model did you buy?

You are totally funny blush.gif my advice to you: go back to your cisco and pay thousands ringgit to get the support you want, don't act like a cheapskate here

MikroTik is not Cisco, you spend effort to learn enough before you can handle it
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I own and used many cisco, I was using 2611, 1841, 2811, 2821 etc, even have few unit of fortigate. All this are still with me. I am using Mikrotik for testing. The reason why I am using mikrotik is the size and option when cilent / prospect request for more option. I can spend money on network equipments but need to learn before investing into higher end model I start cisco with 1720, 1721 and all the way up to 38xx series. Money to spend for equipments is not an issue for me, I need to pickup the knowledge and learn how to do support so when customer/prospect ask I know how to answer.

Possible of Mikrotik is giveng cheaper solution, but need to have solution that work. Cheap solution but must work.

I don't have to spend thousand for support from Cisco because the product and OS are pretty stable when it realase. Only when need to have implementation service we have to pay Cisco.

I have spend effort to learn mikrotik, and some function claim usable but when try are not to name a few the build in external antenna extension, the Gigabit port. With me now 2 units RB751U, 3x 250, and RB411. I don't buy the highest end until know the product work.
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post May 22 2013, 11:53 AM

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And BTW, I did not say Mikrotik are bad. Which statement I say they are bad? I raised the concern on some issues they have now.
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post May 23 2013, 05:40 PM

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QUOTE(weikee @ May 22 2013, 11:47 AM)
I own and used many cisco, I was using 2611, 1841, 2811, 2821 etc, even have few unit of fortigate. All this are still with me. I am using Mikrotik for testing. The reason why I am using mikrotik is the size and option when cilent / prospect request for more option. I can spend money on network equipments but need to learn before investing into higher end model I start cisco with 1720, 1721 and all the way up to 38xx series.  Money to spend for equipments is not an issue for me, I need to pickup the knowledge and learn how to do support so when customer/prospect ask I know how to answer.

Possible of Mikrotik  is giveng cheaper solution, but need to have solution that work. Cheap solution but must work.

I don't have to spend thousand for support from Cisco because the product and OS are pretty stable when it realase. Only when need to have implementation service we have to pay Cisco.

I have spend effort to learn mikrotik, and some function claim usable but when try are not to name a few the build in  external antenna extension, the Gigabit port. With me now  2 units RB751U, 3x 250, and RB411. I don't buy the highest end until know the product work.
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For testing purposes, pickup up the 750G (gigabit model). Cheap and good.
All their gigabit models, have got faster CPU and more ram than NON gigabit models.

To be fair to both Mikrotik and Cisco users (or fanboys), we will compare routers/switches of the same price point.

So to be fair, we shouldn't compare a RM3000 Cisco vs RM500 Mikrotik.
It is like comparing a Lambo and a GTR.

I would say that Mikrotik has a good Feature to Price ratio, while the Cisco (market leader) has got better support and many great innovative features.

I once had a customer that require VPN services (point to point transparent VPN). On the Mikrotik, we using software to encrypt/decrypt with no dedicated hardware. The only models with hardware is on their top end routers.
My customer picked the Mikrotik over the alternative router with hardware VPN, because of their budget constraint. With their minimal traffic through the VPN, a software implementation was sufficient.

Doesn't matter which brand you get, Cisco or Mikrotik. If you don't know how to use it, you won't maximise its potential.

Even if my customer request for a Cisco tomorrow, I would have trouble setting 1 up (the last time I maintain/use one was 12 years ago, a 4600 and 6500 series).

We are here to discuss and "try" to help each other.....


PS: Is Fortigate really that good? I have a few questions if you are familiar with a Fortigate 50B.




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hi guys. any tutorial on load balancing with round robin? using load balancing with pcc & nth before.
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post May 23 2013, 08:57 PM

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QUOTE(eric_tan @ May 23 2013, 05:40 PM)
For testing purposes, pickup up the 750G (gigabit model). Cheap and good.
All their gigabit models, have got faster CPU and more ram than NON gigabit models.

To be fair to both Mikrotik and Cisco users (or fanboys), we will compare routers/switches of the same price point.

So to be fair, we shouldn't compare a RM3000 Cisco vs RM500 Mikrotik.
It is like comparing a Lambo and a GTR.

I would say that Mikrotik has a good Feature to Price ratio, while the Cisco (market leader) has got better support and many great innovative features.

I once had a customer that require VPN services (point to point transparent VPN). On the Mikrotik, we using software to encrypt/decrypt with no dedicated hardware. The only models with hardware is on their top end routers.
My customer picked the Mikrotik over the alternative router with hardware VPN, because of their budget constraint. With their minimal traffic through the VPN, a software implementation was sufficient.

Doesn't matter which brand you get, Cisco or Mikrotik. If you don't know how to use it, you won't maximise its potential.

Even if my customer request for a Cisco tomorrow, I would have trouble setting 1 up (the last time I maintain/use one was 12 years ago, a 4600 and 6500 series).

We are here to discuss and "try" to help each other.....
PS: Is Fortigate really that good? I have a few questions if you are familiar with a Fortigate 50B.
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Sure need to compare at the correct type. Is unfair to compare in a difference league. Mikrotik need to do the basic things right. I got my mikrotik free (the rb411) from a client who try upgrade the stable release firmware but brick that unit. Got to help him replace with a basic AP. Lucky can still un brick with the manual way and got it FOC smile.gif

Basic function like what mention above need to get it right. Stable release upgrade need to be seamless. A Gigabit ports need to be able to support gigabit speed. Not until users raised issue and only say it need major rewrite of code. Is like buying a car that suppose to support 5 person weight and later when 5 people sit on it car got problem moving.

I am helping a friend to setup few whitebox esxi with one NIC per white box, but support VLAN, planing to make few VLANs, Data and iSCSI VLAN at minimal cost, need an independent iSCSI path to NAS for stable connection. Was doing some research on Rb2011 and found th gigabite problem. Hope they get it fix and I can help him setup. ESXi already up just waiting to connect to a bigger NAS for data exchange and simulation. Maybe need to ask him buy one and try, if can't I take home and play until it resolved smile.gif

Using fortigate 60c still learning and testing, it have lots of function build in e.g. antivirus, proxy, Some L7 firewall features. But got to pay yearly maintenance fees sad.gif Is not really a router, more like an hybrid. You need to think it as a firewall with router features. You also use fortigate? Do you know how to enable ingress and engress like Cisco Netflow? Need to have detail traffic monitor to catch bandwidth hogger..


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post May 24 2013, 08:24 AM

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QUOTE(weikee @ May 23 2013, 08:57 PM)
Sure need to compare at the correct type. Is unfair to compare in a difference league. Mikrotik need to do the basic things right. I got my mikrotik free (the rb411) from a client who try upgrade the stable release firmware but brick that unit. Got to help him replace with a basic AP. Lucky can still un brick with the manual way and got it FOC smile.gif

Basic function like what mention above need to get it right. Stable release upgrade need to be seamless. A Gigabit ports need to be able to support gigabit speed. Not until users raised issue and only say it need major rewrite of code. Is like buying a car that suppose to support 5 person weight and later when 5 people sit on it car got problem moving.

I am helping a friend to setup few whitebox esxi with one NIC per white box, but support VLAN, planing to make few VLANs, Data and iSCSI VLAN at minimal cost, need an independent iSCSI path to NAS for stable connection. Was doing some research on Rb2011 and found th  gigabite problem. Hope they get it fix and I can help him setup. ESXi already up just waiting to connect to a bigger NAS for data exchange and simulation. Maybe need to ask him buy one and try, if can't I take home and play until it resolved smile.gif

Using fortigate 60c still learning and testing, it have lots of function build in e.g. antivirus, proxy, Some L7 firewall features. But got to pay yearly maintenance fees sad.gif  Is not really a router, more like an hybrid. You need to think it as a firewall with router features. You also use fortigate? Do you know how to enable ingress and engress like Cisco Netflow? Need to have detail traffic monitor to catch bandwidth hogger..
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I don't use Fortigate. My customer had a 50B (maitenance contract expired), but having issues with it. Sometimes on heavy load, it will just "lag". After disabling almost every feature... it still lags. The latency on peak period could be like 10 secs before there is a response. He told me, company started small, but at this size maybe the Fortigate cant handle the load. In the forum, some said to flash to earlier firmware, which are more stable and efficient...

In the end, we just test with my "standby/testing" 751G on 40+ users. No more issues with "lag". Waiting for them to order a RB2011UAS. The issue now is they using those home grade wireless routers as AP. Some would just "hang" when too many users try to connect. Told them to get some Ubiquiti APs, but customer said will upgrade in stages because of limited budget. Will implement a 2 VLAN on 2 seperate broadband services when the 2011UAS comes in with backup failover. Total users should peak at 60+.

Back to your GB issue, I agree that it should just work out of the BOX. Not sure about the Auto-Neg issue (just goggle it). My 751G and 750G no issues when connecting to GB Switch. I just checked 2 of my customers RB2011, also no issue when connecting to GB Switches. However I noticed that the GUI is only showing 100MB, while when I use command line, it shows GB with Full Duplex.

Did you know there is a "master port" on the Mikrotik, features where the ports are linked together like a "switch" giving you wire speeds, without any CPU utilization. If the packet is NOT meant for the switch (layer 2), it will pass to router (layer 3). I would suggest "switching" the ports together reducing the CPU usage and getting closer to Wire speed. When you test your throughput, remember to enable the "master port". And if you could, disable it and see what is the difference tongue.gif

And in Mikrotik got Traffic Flow (IP-> Traffic Flow) feature, where it is NetFlow compatible. I think they support V5 and V9 of netflow. What software you use to monitor? I am using PRTG. Is there a better one?


If you want to pinjam my "standby/testing" 751G unit, you can after I install for my customer next week.

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any guy willing guide how to block user access facebook from phone? i was set the L7 protocal block is work 100% from pc. but user still can access the facebook from the phone / app. how to going to block them as well? can share with me about your firewall rules through?
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QUOTE(gahkin @ May 25 2013, 12:25 PM)
any guy willing guide how to block user access facebook from phone? i was set the L7 protocal block is work 100% from pc. but user still can access the facebook from the phone / app. how to going to block them as well? can share with me about your firewall rules through?
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Need to get radio Jammer tongue.gif

They accessing from their own phone, on their own data plan.... I doubt you can block that

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