Good point. That's why Asus BT10 is very tempting. Simple and fast.

Also. CRS304-4XG-IN should be good to expand the 10G port a bit.It's fanless. My ccr1009 very noisy

This post has been edited by cyberic: Sep 19 2025, 10:41 AM

I think most Unifi purchasers is like above average network techs, but not full stack network admins.

I do agree that it’s false advertisement that they’re saying L3 is available but realistically it’s only L2.

And from actual network admins, most still leaning with Mikrotik for L3 and Ubiquiti/other brands for L2.

Though that said, Ubiquiti have been trying to improve their firewall/routes settings to be more verbose and available for fine tuning. Definitely still ways to go but I don’t think actual enterprise gear will ever be outcompeted by Ubiquiti, purely from software wise. Which is kinda unlucky as if they offer more console access via dedicated port, it’ll be a sick piece of equipment to be using for enterprise usage since cli is still a strong tool for people that knows what they’re doing

If you go with BT10, the CRS304 can definitely act as backhaul switch. You can retire your ccr1009 after that since the BT10 is also a router.
You can also backhaul your ccr1009 to some faraway place with ROAS setup since you have a switch now.

Many of Ubiquiti marketing rub me the wrong way. The switch is one. Then the Express 7 which they market as 10g but all it has is just a port that sync at 10g but only works at 2.5g.
It really feels like scam.

There's nothing wrong with saying your switch is L2, everyone sells L2 switch. A lot of people only need L2 switch.

Even Cisco used to license L3 separately with their LAN Base SKU. Good thing now L3 is included in all licensing.

Then their AP... They are very fast in term of time to market. What's more when they always call themselves Enterprise. Until you spend the money and use it.

Omada don't call themselves Enterprise, just Business. Even the home stuff under Deco branding works better. It's not exaggerating when I call their stuff shitty.

I feel that whole wifi 7 thing is kinda screw up. AFC and MLO still doesn't work properly. Maybe wifi 8 can help clean up the mess. Ethernet or fiber is always better if possible to use.

AFC is only mandatory for outdoor or high power AP. Country like Malaysia only have access to half the FCC spectrum so AFC don't apply to us. Plus I don't think we use the same spectrum as US military.
AFC is also a privacy mess. Your AP need to send GPS location to a central server.

For MLO, it kind of feels like channel sounding and beamforming. Until today they still don't quite work after so many version. You don't even hear manufacturer talk about it now.
I guess I can put MIMO inside this category as well.

WiFi Alliance is also another "scammer" with lots of false advertising. Remember all the Time Sensitive Networking for Industry 4.0? 404 Not Found already. Same boat as 3GPP 🤡

16 stream? Just hot air.

To elaborate more on MLO problem: Out of order packet.
It's impossible to guarantee packet transmitted in sequence over different band will also arrive in sequence.

It's the same as using ECMP routing. If all the fiber cable are of the same length, it works. If they are not, the network fall apart due to out of order packet sequence.

So to really make it work, perhaps MLO need to follow LACP and hash the 5-tuples. Meaning you need multiple stream to use it.

Maybe WiFi 7 Wave 2. Maybe WiFi 8. Maybe everyone think it's too difficult and just try to forget about it like channel sounding.

But I feel copying the LACP method will work.

Check out this Cisco blog post about different MLO mode.
MLO support in WiFi endpoint is optional.

For AP, only one mode is mandatory while the rest is optional.

This didn't dive into packet reordering problem yet.

https://blogs.cisco.com/networking/wi-fi-7s...-to-performance

The problem with 6Ghz is range, AFC supposed to help but as you mentioned, there are other restrictions to use it.

Also manufacturers should stop releasing product when the standard is not finalized, then hoping to update via firmware updates. As I understand, Galaxy s23 has the modem with the wifi 7 capable but disabled. Perhaps compatibility issues. Maybe same reason many vendors have compatibility issues to make it work for all.

This might be a silly question, but what does the 'rc' indicate for RouterOS versions?

I noticed that ROS 7.20 is no longer 'beta' but 'rc' now.

Rc in the version means Release Candidate. Still in development lah.

There is no silly question, just silly not to ask when need help.

I thought only s25 have wifi7? I check with gsm arena spec and it seems that way too.

Regarding range on 6ghz, you need to have denser AP deployment, which also means giving up 320mhz channel width if you are serious in avoiding co-channel interference.

The whole point of not requiring AFC is really... Low power.

How big is your place? 1 AP per floor is sufficient unless your place is really "long" instead of square.

If we strictly follow what is being described by the Cisco blog, device can claim to be WiFi 7 but not do MLO.

Blame WiFi Alliance for allowing all kinds of "false advertisement". In fact they themselves sell a lot of hot air.

Noted. I checked the changelogs too, and correct me if I am wrong on this: 'RC' means it is closer to a stable release than a beta version?

I do want to give 7.20 a shot to get rid of all the 'Invalid MTU' errors in my log.

In software development, they will call it rc when there's no more known high priority bug after all planned features are done.
But as you know no software is bug free.
Even when you fix a bug, you might cause a regression aka create another bug in the process of fixing one bug.
v7.20 is mainly adding bgp features that's missing.
You can just install it since you don't use bgp.

I remember it comes with Snapdragon x70 modem and FastConnect 7800, world 1st wifi 7? 😆

I have no idea. That Cisco blog also use FastConnect 7800 as endpoint.

But GSM arena said no wifi 7. I simply Google and it seems Samsung disable them on purpose to make them feature parity with Exynos SKU? Until S25 where it is there for all.

Then I also found for TP-Link, they really cannot do roaming when using MLO. So tng55 is not making shit up.

No such limitation for Cisco and Arista AP, at least based on what I found.

WiFi is always a mess...

I think at current price for a 2.5G cheap switch,it doesn't matter how all the port hitting the max speed at the same time.
And secondly,most people only bought for home usage,and it is 100% enough for home usage.
1G to 2.5G = 2.5X of normal speed.
Even only hitting 2X=2G is already good enough.

I am using 2.5G unmanaged switch with My PC and Synology NAS with SMB3.0. (Both 2x 2.5G on both side can hit 500MB/s each direction,even 400MB/s is acceptable for me)

Not to mention 5Gbe switch will coming soon,as Realtek already release 5Gbe chip now.

This post has been edited by go626201: Sep 21 2025, 01:20 AM

With that daisy chain, 10g full duplex is the max you can get out of all ports before congestion hits.
This statement is true regardless of how many ports the switch has, as long as they use this kind of daisy chain with this chip.

Your usage is still below that hence no problem.

after updating to the routerOs v7.19.6... one of my hap Ax2 no longer randomly offline the Wifi 2.4 and 5ghz....

https://forum.mikrotik.com/t/v7-20-stable-is-released/265196

V7.20 finally release on stable channel

This post has been edited by syahpian: Sep 30 2025, 03:34 PM

So MTU fixed?

yup, include MTU fix

This post has been edited by syahpian: Sep 30 2025, 03:56 PM