Im using Archer C7 with Openwrt right now, and the 5Ghz band is having some issues with DL speed, thinking getting a better router. i wonder if hap ac2 would be an upgrade?

Wifi specs alone, the C7 is better. It's has 3 wifi chains (3x3 MIMO.) The hAP AC2 is dual stream (2x2 MIMO.) Mikrotik 3-stream products are the hAP AC and one of the wAPs. I forgot which one. I think wAP AC.

Unfortunately Mikrotik tends not to be on the cutting edge when it comes to home wifi routers. I remember a few years ago complaining a lot about my RB751U-2HnD. The hAP AC Lite which is the only AC from Mikrotik that I've tried is quite good. No complains and it's cheap but it's only single stream for 5Ghz and low power.

I’m using rb750gl, thinking about upgrade to hex or hex s. Partly for free unifi upgrade 500Mbps upgrade and for newer hardware 😅

Where do you guys buy the Mikrotiks? Anyone to recommend? Also, anyone using hex s?

I get mine from Sublime Telecom on lelong or Jalan Kucing. Synchroweb also quite good prices. Now got sale some more but older models, I think tomorrow last day.

Do you need the SFP in the Hex S? Do note that the SFP in the Hex S goes up to 1.25Gbps only.

I only found Hex S from sublime Telekom. I don’t need SFP now. Black box and possibility of using hardware vpn when needed are the reason for me to choose S over normal Hex. Different only RM20.

Maybe get new ac WiFi router as AP later.

OK lah, RM20 only. Did you ask the price of the 1.25Gbps optical or copper SFP module? Maybe one day, wishful thinking, TM will allow us to our own GPON module.

Actually is 30 more. Price for copper is 99 and optical 55 on lelong. For the AP, better to use cAP or others? Thinking about mesh deployment.

Just ordered a CCR1009 from Sublime in anticipation of the 800Mbps upgrade. Will probably be selling off my old RB750Gr3 for cheap if anyone is interested in getting one

The hEX will not be good enough?

It's somewhat inadequate based on my testing with iperf3. The CPU usage runs high even with basic routing between two interfaces and no VLANs, PPPoE encapsulation or NAT. Individual connections tend to slow down for whatever reason when there's a high amount of connections being tracked. You also need to make sure you use ports 1/3/5 and 2/4 for your WAN ingress/egress due to how the components are wired or you might be bottlenecked.

You should be able to swap your GPON ONU with other units from Aliexpress as long as the brand matches and you have the 10 digit authentication key from your existing unit. Unlikely a GPON SFP module would work unless it's from the same vendor and they allow you to edit the authentication key via the SFP I2C bus or an IP interface. I've already done this on the Fiberhome OLT's with a tiny single gigabit port ONU I picked up but YMMV with other vendors.

Woohoo, CCR, very nice.

PM me best price for the RG750Gr3, please. COD? Klang Valley?

COD in Klang Valley is perfect, will PM you once I receive the new unit . I'm a bit concerned on the temperatures of the passive unit as I saw a few reviews from Singapore where it was averaging 65+ degrees C on the passive heatsink. Alternatively I'll just order the active cooled units and swap the fans with 40mm Noctuas/NoiseBlockers or go with an ESXi based CHR setup.

.. of course this is all assuming TM doesn't drop the ball again and decide the 800Mbps can only be used for FB live bawang streaming

Rb3011 not good enough? That ccr cost 2k 😅

I think the RB750Gr3, HAP AC2 and RB3011 should be sufficient for the traffic mix of most home users. I have a friend on TIME 500Mbps who torrents a lot (20TB+ ZFS backed seedbox in the closet) and he's using the older RB750Gr2 without any noticable issues. With fasttrack enabled it does the 500Mbps up/down single connection speedtest individually with the CPU usage peaking around 50-60%~. Of course, if he tries to fully saturate his upload and download simultaneously it becomes a bottleneck.

I'm just going with the CCR route so I don't run into any bottlenecks once I start terminating my site to site VPNs on the unit, enabling IPSEC (being forced to turn off fasttrack occasionally), OSPF routing, etc.

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At least these are all the things I tell myself because I've been eyeing a CCR for the home since the 1036 came out and never really had a solid reason to get one

Thanks for the info. How is the performance of cAP? Good enough for normal home use? Thinking to build mesh with Mikrotik. Let me know if there are other better option.

🙈🙉🙊 lol.

1. I've tested before RB951G-2HnD could achieve total routing throughput of 880mbit (upload + download concurrently) with fasttrack+PPPoE (no PPPoE encryption), so those with similar MIPSBE but faster clock can do slightly better. So it will be good for 300Mbit symmetric line, but 500Mbit symmetric line will be pushing it during heavy load & especially if you queues/filters use a lot of CPU resources.

Still I will recommend getting a router with hardware IPsec acceleration if your line UL is 100Mbit or more. If I need to dl something via torrent with my digi infinite 150 or if a some site somehow too slow, I'll just vpn to my family/friend TIME/Unifi lines


2. I've tested before Hex RB750Gr3 total routing throughput can achieve of around 1600mbit (upload + download concurrently) with fasttrack+PPPoE (no PPPoE encryption), but it really fluctuate a lot with the CPU load. So don't bother using it for 800Mbit symmetric. You can consider it for 800Mbit asymmetric with 100/200Mbit UL if your queues/filters is not too taxing on the CPU.

3. I never test hAP ac2 PPPoE routing throughput, but the 2 additional core should help. This is currently my recommended budget Mikrotik router for home user due to the hw crypto engine & ac wifi (coupled with the ISP provided ac router as additional access point) is good for 500Mbit symmetric line. But routeros support for the chipset (also used in cAP ac) in the beginning is really shitty with issues such as wifi performance issues.

4. It will be hard to fully utilise the CCR processing power without SFP+, so don't cheapoff on models without it if you plan to get one.

5. Don't waste your time with SFP GPON ONU unless you have enterprise internet subscription. SFP GPON ONU modules (that I aware of) are meant to be configured with configuration pushed from the OLT. You can't change the serial number from your side unlike the standalone GPON ONU provided by your ISP. You will need your ISP to do the provisioning on the OLT side in order for the SFP GPON ONU module to be used. I had 1 such SFP GPON ONU module laying around collecting dust. Your ISP won't entertain you if you're just a home or basic 'business' line subscriber.

Sublime is now on Lazada, buying from Lazada is better if you're using CC plus you can sometimes use vouchers. Their Lelong prices are cheaper but there is a surcharge when using CC which usually makes it more expensive than Lazada.

Synchroweb online store pricing is usually higher than Sublime.

Why I'm commenting on this? You previously helped me with IPv6 setup on my ac lite and I now need something with GigE ports to support my coming 500Mbps speeds. I decided on ac2 since the lack of 3rd wifi stream wouldn't really be too big issue with 500Mbps. I need to read up on single cable VLAN tagging as I only have single cable from ac2 to my HyppTV box and AP. I thank you in advance for being generous when helping me next week.

Yep, those numbers are about right for routing throughput on those models. Even then, it's at 1500 byte packet sizes so the CPU requirements will only increase if you have P2P/BitTorrent traffic on the network. The UDP variant of BitTorrent (UTP) averages between 400-1500 bytes for its control and data packets so most users will wanna get something beefier for more headroom if their traffic mix includes the BT protocol.

Gave it a fair bit of thought before pulling the trigger on the CCR1009. Here's a video from Kai Hendry with the CCR1009-7G-1C-1S+PC hooked up to a 10Gbps package in Singapore. I picked up the passive CCR1009 without the SFP+ port as I figured I'd need a model with at minimum 2 SFP+ ports to fully utilize a 1Gbps+ offering in the future. The alternative would be to place a SFP+ VLAN switch in between a future ONU and the CCR1009 to utilize the single 10Gbps port at the cost of total throughput. I'm hoping they could offer a 1Gbps+ package via MLPPP or bonded ports in the future. I did make sure to get the model with individual 1Gbps lines routed to the Tilera without a switch chip in between though

As for people still looking for a 'replacement' solution for the TM stock ONU, here's a China ISP Fiberhome w/ English firmware running on the TM network :






Starting sometime last year after an OLT upgrade on TM's side, you could just register a matching vendors ONU to the network as long as you had the 10 digit password from your existing one. Here's my spare single gigabit port China ISP Fiberhome ONU sitting next to its TM counterpart. Again, YMMV in Alcatel or Huawei OLT based areas. I was told by a TM tech that TM doesn't enforce serial number checks on the OLTs -- I'm guessing to facilitate faster ONU replacements without having to call ANOC every single time. This isn't to say that they can't see that you're using an unknown ONU model as all of that information is still relayed to the OLT via the underlying OMCI protocol.

The downside to this configuration is that you effectively lose your VOIP VLAN. The stock config from TM binds it to an internal interface on the ONU and using a single port ONU replacement with no SIP protocol stack or RJ11 POTS ports results in the VLAN just being ignored (and not trunked to the router, as I had initially hoped).

I'm not sure why so many people have requested for a GPON ONU on an SFP stick. Plain SFPs and GPON ONU optics without the modem component already run hot, sticking a full GPON stack on it is just asking for higher equipment failure rates IMO. Not to mention your only means of configuring it to talk to your ISP would be via flashing, the I2C bus or a virtual IP interface (if you're lucky)

If you're getting CCR1036 then of course only the 2 SFP+ models should be considered (unless if you need more SFP but not SFP+).For CCR1009, even if you don't have 10Gb clients, it will be much better than relying on link aggregation. You will waste so much ports with 4 port link aggregation, not to mention potential bottleneck.

This post has been edited by jio: Jul 16 2018, 06:23 AM