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post Feb 12 2016, 10:23 AM

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QUOTE(soonwai @ Feb 11 2016, 12:34 AM)
Wow, I see it on routerboard.com. Price here around RM560-RM600, maybe? Can't wait to see it being available locally. Maybe/hopefully they'll have an introductory sale at MUM in KL next month. Hint hint to suppliers. brows.gif Even better, the free routerboard will be the HAP AC (just wishful thinking from me).

Also don't forget http://googledrive.blogspot.my/2016/02/saf...t-day-2016.html if you're using Google.
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You can try get from ebay for about USD128 inclusive of shipping. Just hope not stopped by the customs.
http://www.ebay.com/itm/Mikrotik-hAP-AC-RB...=item2a6147e049

Anyway pity the CPU is just a single core 720MHz MIPS 74Kc. Would have prefered if it is dual core ARM.
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post Mar 26 2016, 06:15 PM

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QUOTE(remeron @ Mar 26 2016, 11:10 AM)
Hello,  I was just upgraded to Time 500mbps and have to change my router.  Currently using Asus RT-N12HP at the max it does on LAN is 100mbps sad.gif

Thinking of getting the Mikrotik RB951G-2HND.
Sorry for the noob question, but does this support 500mbps over LAN?  And how fast is it's wifi?  300mbps?
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I doubt RB951G-2HND could even handle PPPoE > 200Mbit. Even 100Mbit is a stretch with firewall filters & rules. This is why I'm so disappointed with the new hap AC with single core MIPS 74K 720MHz CPU only. I really wish Mikrotik just use dual core ARM Cortex that is much more powerful. Even Raspberry Pi 3 now has quad core Cortex A53 1.2GHz.
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post Mar 27 2016, 01:27 AM

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QUOTE(winter01942 @ Mar 26 2016, 09:34 PM)
What!?

Does that mean that we need at least a rm3011 or ccr1009 to have 1Gbps PPPoE connections?
(PS: or RB1100AH, forgot about that)
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Blame it on PPPoE hardware offload/acceleration not enabled. Hardware acceleration modules for SOC usually kind of messy. It is possible that Mikrotik might support it on these soho routers in the future, but it will take them time & will not be their priority.

Your best bet if you want gigabit PPPoE on budget is using x86 or consumer router from Asus/Netgear/TP-Link/etc that advertise gigabit WAN. But beware, you might lose the hardware offloading/acceleration if you flash 3rd party firmware (OpenWRT/DD-WRT etc) that don't have the hardware offloading/acceleration support or enabled due to compatibility issues.
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post Mar 27 2016, 02:04 AM

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RB2011 routing performance is really pathetic without fastpath. Mikrotik fasttrack/fastpath doesn't work on PPPoE, & the throughput is much lower than what the routing performance advertised.

Edgerouter lite firmware originally doesn't support PPPoE offload when they first launched, but they did add the support later on. But you will have to confirm with Edgerouter lite users what is the actual PPPoE throughput achievable. I no longer have access to one, so I cannot test it.
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post Mar 27 2016, 03:18 AM

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QUOTE(soonwai @ Mar 27 2016, 02:13 AM)
I remember that with the ERL, PPPoE had to be configured via the CLI when they first added it.

As for Fastpath, PPPoE & Mikrotik. This was from last month's MUM in Europe. So fingers crossed.


Hopefully someone with Time 500mbps can test it out. I'm stuck with UniFi for the foreseeable future.
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FYI I just did a PPPoE bandwidth test between 2 RB951G-2HnD @ 700MHz, without any firewall rules. One as PPPoE server & another as PPPoE client. The max throughput is pathetic 130Mbps. I really hope Fastpath on PPPoE does include PPPoE offloading. Glad I'm not on Time 300Mbit, or else I will have to fork out more money again.
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post Mar 27 2016, 04:34 AM

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QUOTE(winter01942 @ Mar 27 2016, 02:29 AM)
TM called, told me i was a loyal customer and asked me to pay the exact same price everyone else is paying to change from 10Mbps to 30Mbps
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Just don't. No point paying extra for shitty service that are not guaranteed any improvement for your current plan. Unless you really must have 4K video streaming, most 1080p video streams bitrate is under 6Mbps. And say no to another 2 years contract extension bullshit. Just be patient & wait for cheaper deal.

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Time hotline is sux though, always cannot get through when there are network outage as they will be flooded with phone calls. Why can't they announce the network outage so that caller don't have to report the issues they already known. There are service outage more than I like in the past 2 months, probably due to maintenance/testing/upgrading as I did notice bandwidth difference from time to time or PPPoE authentication failure. Most people may not notice most of these outage as most of it happen at odd hours, but odd hours or not, they shouldn't fuck up with their system that frequently.
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post Mar 27 2016, 06:48 AM

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I retest again bandwidth test with Xeon E5-1650 as the PPPoE server and encryption disabled.
6.34.3: 196Mbps DL / 169Mbps UL
6.35RC42: 168Mbps DL / 133Mbps UL

I didn't see any improvement on 6.35RC42 that have the new feature Fastpath on PPPoE except the performance penalty probably due to it is test build with debugging enabled. Maybe it is not supported on mipsbe platform yet?

Crap, just realised I shouldn't use the RB951 itself run the bandwidth test. No wonder the throughput is so low. The bandwidth test bottleneck by the RB951 CPU & because it go through the input chain instead of the forward chain for the fastpath requirement. And after testing from PC > RB951 > Xeon, I actually get 880Mbps DL/UL on 6.35RC42!!! That means they do enable the PPPoE offloading on specific condition. On 6.34.3 it just about 285Mbps DL / 270Mbps UL. But once the PPPoE encryption enabled, it drops to mere 100Mbps.

This post has been edited by jio: Mar 27 2016, 05:56 PM
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post Mar 27 2016, 03:36 PM

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QUOTE(soonwai @ Mar 27 2016, 03:15 PM)
jio Thanks for the speed tests. I guess it's safe to say that the RB951 n RB2011 is only good enough for 100mbps PPPoE & NAT while leaving some leeway to put in a few firewall filters and a bit of QOS.

Here's a thread from our friends in .SG with lots of real life tests for Mikrotik & 100+Mbps fiber.
http://forums.hardwarezone.com.sg/next-gen...3629775-16.html

Does Singtel's FTTH use PPPoE?
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I think they only have to use VLAN & DHCP for the WAN, no need for PPPoE.
http://proud2bnerd.blogspot.my/2014/09/rep...outer-with.html
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post Mar 27 2016, 05:33 PM

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QUOTE(soonwai @ Mar 27 2016, 04:05 PM)
OK, thanks, lack of PPPoE encapsulation probably explains the speeds they're getting with the RB2011.
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I made mistake of running the bandwidth test directly on the RB951, which is then bottlenecked by the CPU. Using the PC to run the bandwidth test on v6.34.3 almost reach 300Mbps. On v6.35RC42, I measured about 880Mbps. Can safely say RB951G can handle 500Mbps just fine with the upcoming v6.35.
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post Mar 28 2016, 07:10 PM

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QUOTE(soonwai @ Mar 28 2016, 06:25 PM)
I read your updated post. Wow! 880Mbps is quite impressive for a RM400 wifi router. For your test was the RB951 using default configuration? PPPoE & NAT as well? How did you test? iPerf?
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I just do quick & dirty test using Mikrotik own btest utility, using TCP only. So the actual peak throughput might be higher, but doesn't really matter as real life usage/performance won't be the same like those simulated test anyway. PC is connected to RB951G via gigabit without any filter rules & queues except for the required rules for fasttrack. RB951G connected PPPoE server (Mikrotik VM on Xeon E5-1650 with I350-T4 nic) & NAT enabled for the PPPoE client interface.

But this figure is just for 1 way traffic. The total combined throughput both way is just about 800Mbps due to the CPU bottleneck.

Anyway it seems like there is no PPPoE encryption offload/acceleration, which partly explains the very poor PPPoE performance when the encryption is enabled. It seems the crypto hardware acceleration not supported here.



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post Mar 29 2016, 04:57 PM

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If you have AC wireless already, then hEX RB750Gr2 is a better and cheaper choice than RB951G or hAP AC. You will lose out on the flash storage for things like metarouter (unstable crap) though.
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post Mar 30 2016, 10:31 AM

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QUOTE(remeron @ Mar 30 2016, 09:30 AM)
That's a good idea.  The hex is selling for RM300, which is RM100 cheaper. How do I connect the hex with the AC wireless?  I'm really new at this.  I mean what kind of setting should I be using with the AC wireless.  Now I'm using PPPoE.
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If you only have DIR-860L, then temporary use it as router & PPPoE client. Once you got your mikrotik router or whatever, you will use that as the main router that will handle the PPPoE connection. Then configure DIR-860L as access point & disable the built-in DHCP server as it will be handled by the your main router. Since there is no VLAN to setup, it should be relatively straight forward.
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post Mar 31 2016, 01:24 PM

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QUOTE(abubin @ Mar 31 2016, 12:22 PM)
anyone know whether in malaysia can get ac lite already? I am eagerly waiting for this.
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You can get it from ebay seller ubntshop, shipped from oversea. But it only good for up to 100Mbit. Good enough if you only use it for wifi access to your internet, especially if you only have mobile devices. Single chain AC is fast enough to saturate the 100Mbit internet. But don't expect to do so with wifi N devices. If you intend to use the LAN port for network storage, don't. Better spend a bit more on something better.
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post Apr 18 2016, 05:31 AM

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QUOTE(soonwai @ Apr 18 2016, 04:08 AM)
jio, do you remember when you tested this and got 880mbps, was your ether2 (or which ever port you used) in a bridge?
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Not in bridge.
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post Jun 6 2016, 02:52 AM

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You can order it from oversea if you willing to take risk. If the total value of your order is under MYR500, it is usually fine. I had my hap ac for almost 4 months now.
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post Jun 6 2016, 05:16 PM

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QUOTE(soonwai @ Jun 6 2016, 12:28 PM)
Aside from tax and warranty, I'm mostly concerned that it gets stopped and need to go SIRIM. Many years ago, I ordered a Global Village modem from the US and it was stopped at customs and had to take it to SIRIM for testing. Very inconvenient.

What's a good place to order it from?
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Wifi router usually OK as long as the total cost + shipping is below myr500 & for your own personal use. Anything more be taxed or require SIRIM, unless you bought & shipped from Amazon, which I did for Asus routers. But anything related to telephony including fax modem will very likely to be stopped for SIRIM approval. Even dumb wired headset get stopped just because it had words telephony in the description.

Warranty wise is not really a concern for me as the defects rate is much lower than the cost difference. Anyway Mikrotik warranty & support is really meh. I had issues with one of my rb2011uas-rm related to routerboot (likely caused by nand issue), not only I couldn't get replacement due to "it works with the older routerboot it was shipped with", it took about 2 months for Mikrotik to reply to my support case just because "they could not replicate the issues". And most of the time you won't even aware of the defects such as this until months later.

Anyway I bought mine from eurodk for testing purpose.
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QUOTE(soonwai @ Jun 6 2016, 06:32 PM)
Thanks for the info. Won't a Wifi router run a good risk of requiring SIRIM since it has a radio in it?

Will definitely check out eurodk. Have you ever looked at ordering form Indonesia? Since they're much closer, shipping might be cheaper? Mikrotik seems to be quite popular there.
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I never order from Indonesia before but I did order something from Singapore few years back when local distributors having no stock on the model I wanted, with the total cost more or less the same. Anyway I bought from eurodk because not many online store had hAP AC back then. Their price is quite competitive even with shipping cost included, probably due to they're from Latvia as well like Mikrotik.
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post Jun 7 2016, 07:12 PM

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QUOTE(superdog @ Jun 7 2016, 10:52 AM)
juz bought RB951Ui-2nD from taobao
170 with postage, had used it almost 2 month
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That will be less than 300CNY and that's cheap. 170MYR is the total cost inclusive of shipping? Can give the exact link?
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post Dec 3 2016, 11:32 PM

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What is the signal strength (in dBm) you get from 2nd floor & your current tplink model. Anything better than -65dBm is good enough for for use with ac wireless, provided your pc also using ac wireless client. Forget about 2.4GHz, the interference nowadays is really bad even for landed property. Faster broadband = more traffic on wifi = more interfence. Add it with selfish idiots that force their router to run 2.4GHz with 40MHz channel width to improve the max throughput, that works when nobody is using but made everyone suffer during peak hours.

The only model that I can recommend is hAP ac due to 5GHz ac wireless. hAP ac lite is a bit low powered for 2 storey home. Or you can pair hEX R3 or hEX POE with your own ac wireless ap. hEX R3 had similar CPU as Ubiquiti EdgeRouter-X. Even though ERX is more flexible, I won't recommend it unless you need proper OpenVPN server & other things not possible in RouterOS.
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QUOTE(jem911209 @ Dec 18 2016, 12:18 AM)
Hi guys I bought a mikrotik RB952Ui- 5ac2nD. Having a really bad experience after swapping with asus rt-n12hp. This mikrotik router wifi signal is really bad. I'm getting 30mbps next to the router through wifi 25mbps in the hallway 10 metres away and 7mb inside my room 11 metres away walking distance. Even using my asus router as a repeater I keep getting unstable internet connection with high packet loss. Any suggestions? I can't use the ac function as the signal is so weak which can hardly get signal from my room. Really disappointed with the performance of this router
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hap ac lite only suitable for small size home such as an apartment. You should have known it is just 200mW with 2dBi unlike your N12HP (500mW? with 9dBi). That is over 10dBm difference. Not to mention it is only single stream wifi. So for sure hap ac lite will have far weaker 2.4GHz wifi even if it has better receive sensitivity. And don't bother using your N12HP as repeater (referring to you other post about your N12HP). I have a hunch that your wifi router is badly positioned at one corner end of the house & your room is at the other end with multiple layers of walls in between. You should have placed your wifi router/ap at a more suitable location. I've seen too many routers being placed next to the tv at the corner of the house with useless hypptv being the reason.

My advise, don't be overly hung up of insisting of getting your full internet bandwidth from every corner of your house via wifi using only a *single* device. If you still can get acceptable 5GHz signal (better than -70dBm) from your room, use 5GHz even if it weaker. It will still be better experience in term of latency & usability than 2.4GHz wifi.

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