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normaron
post Aug 14 2015, 05:33 PM

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I am seriously planning to move to Australia (hopefully able to land at Melbourne). Due to my skills (Multimedia Designer), is not in SOL, but in CSOL (but currently not in any state list :/) So 189 is impossible for me, but 190, 489 maybe yes but need to wait have state want....

I wonder how hard it is to get employer to sponsor to work in Australia? I dont mind start as junior. Hopefully can get some guidance from people here that have successfully at Australia.
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post Aug 15 2015, 11:31 PM

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QUOTE(Soony @ Aug 14 2015, 05:46 PM)
Very hard to be honest, unless you have a very niche skill. Any chance of furthering your studies in Australia then apply for jobs? Chances are higher that way.
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Hi Soony, thanks for the reply. I am thinking it will be very hard also, so I am thinking of a backup plan, which is, instead of paying so much for the migration agent(for visa 190) and then stuck at EOI waiting for state to have quota for my skill. I am thinking maybe I go take a certificate/diploma in Bakery/Patisserie for 2 years, at the same time try to get part time jobs and my partner follow me there to do part time job as well and slowly work up from there... but quite hard to see what is the outcome of this road.... I have the thought to take Master in my field as well, but the fees is very high and I think I might have problem support myself.


QUOTE(daylight_dancer @ Aug 14 2015, 09:47 PM)
Change your profession, if I'm being blunt.

I was a graphic designer. I say was, because I decided i had enough of the rough timings of working in advertising (10pm, 1 am etc).

Best damn decision I ever made- going into education. I now TEACH design at a private uni instead so my SOL is on the State Nom list for a 190 for SA. It took about a week or so after I put in my EOI for me to get an invite from SA to apply (under vocational teacher).

My friend who also applied under SA was pretty shocked at how quickly my EOI was issued with an invite when compared to hers (editor).

Also when you go, don't expect to work as a designer. You might, but you may not, so there's that. My parents have these friends who migrated in the 90s, and the husband couldn't get a proper job, despite having a masters in HR. So he decided to be a taxi drivers and made a fantastic living; he even began leasing out his vehicle when he got too busy.

He's now teaching driving at a driving school and is incredibly happy because it's not as stressful.
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Hi daylight_dancer, really glad to hear from someone in similar field. May I know when you start to teach? in Malaysia or Australia? I have this idea before to become a trainer to teach/train video editing or Adobe After Effects software but I have not yet start on that. Would really love to hear how you become a vocational teacher, the IELTS requirement if not mistaken is very high if want to become an educator, right? I would like to go through the same path like you because that will be the best option for me as I have think of become a trainer as well because teaching people doesnt need to OT!


Currently I have 2 options in my mind and I still very much undecided cry.gif

1. Apply 190 through agent, Around RM34k. At EOI stage just wait & pray some state will want my skills. I dont like this never ending waits.... IF get then will be very happy la, at there then can slowly find jobs, although not sure can get or not. That time most of my savings will pay to agent already....


2. Go study Bakery/Patisserie for 2 years, around AUD 32k for 2 years. While study do part time 20 hours /week (baking etc..) , partner also try to find part time 20 hours /week as allowed in the visa. My partner actually is a Graphic Designer, so hopefully she can find part time job and if the employer like her, she can get work visa to work full time, then after 2 years try to apply fo PR, then I also can become PR. Same goes to me, try to build network and try some freelance work hopefully will find some employer that feel comfortable with me working with them and grant me work visa.

3rd option... any suggestion?

I am planning to go next year June/July

This post has been edited by normaron: Aug 15 2015, 11:32 PM
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post Aug 18 2015, 11:52 PM

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I am from Sabah, currently working in Cyberjaya.

Most likely will apply through agent, although it is expensive, but at least they know what they are doing and doing it professionally.

While not sure when/will I get invite to apply for visa after EOI, will take this time to slowly transform into a tutor, maybe in future can teach in TAFE while still able to do some freelance job.


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post Aug 19 2015, 09:58 AM

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QUOTE(daylight_dancer @ Aug 19 2015, 08:45 AM)
Agent fees for mine does not add up to that much. Agent fees is about 10k. They've given a timeline sheet with calculations and I did check out the prices for all assessments myself and it's legit.
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Mine agent fees is about 12k, my agency is starting with "G"



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post Aug 19 2015, 10:21 AM

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QUOTE(jtsl9 @ Aug 19 2015, 10:19 AM)
I also hired an agent for my migration and at the moment still waiting. Like many mentioned, you would have to constantly follow up with them because they tend to overlook. My agency also start with G and I have told them off numerous time. My case is still stuck at EOI stage because there is no opening for my skill set unless I have a job/relative living in that state.
No choice but to keep trying and waiting
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My I know how long you have lodge your EOI?
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post Aug 19 2015, 10:50 AM

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QUOTE(jtsl9 @ Aug 19 2015, 10:35 AM)
since September 2013
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2 years already blink.gif , do you mind I ask you what's your submitted skill?
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post Aug 25 2015, 10:17 AM

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Hi guys, its me again smile.gif ,

Now I am dilemma of with some new options, so the best is to hear some comments/advise from people here.

1. Career break 1
- Apply Master by research in Australia University (RMIT)(2 years), then try to look for all available scholarships. I am happy even if I can get half scholarships. I might have bit of confidence because I have working experience and awarded first class for my previous degree. Although I not quite sure whether it helps or not or I am over confidence sweat.gif

Pros: Able to step in Australia faster; with Research Master, Me & my partner can get full time working rights in Australia and we can use this 2 years to build network and familiarize with the environment and also work environment. It will be great if I can become an academic staff in the university in future. Maybe at the same time apply for 190 as well if I can get scholarships. I will try to do PT jobs while my partner will try to find FT/PT jobs to support most of our living expenses there. I have a friend that can rent me his room with good price in city center so I can just walk to the campus for my study.

Cons: Expensive if I couldn't get scholarships. $50K AUD for 2 years tuition fees alone.

2. Career break 2
- Apply Master by research in Malaysia(2 years) ( I have high chances of getting a graduate research assistant position ) means free to study while getting some allowances. But still need to find some part-time job to cover living expenses & mortgage.

Pros: Achieve Master Degree in full scholarships & easier. Might get some extra experience as a tutor, small steps to achieve my trainer -> tutor -> lecturer career

Cons: Allowance given is half of my current salary and no epf, socso & no BONUS. Need to find freelance/part time job. Not much of progress to enable me to settle in Australian environment easier. (What I mean is, 2 years later, will I able to find job easier? ) As I only have 1 extra Master Degree in my hand compare to now.

My ultimate goal is to get PR in Australia! I am 28 this year.

Please bombard me with your comments & advice smile.gif

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post Aug 25 2015, 10:46 AM

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QUOTE(jianh @ Aug 25 2015, 10:36 AM)
One can speculate and anticipate, but nobody in this world will be able to give you a definite answer.
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Yes, I agree.


QUOTE(Progressive @ Aug 25 2015, 10:43 AM)
Normaron ,may i know whats your profession ?
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I am a multimedia designer doing video editing, motion graphics and photography as well. Know basics of HTML & CSS.

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post Aug 25 2015, 10:34 PM

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QUOTE(tishaban @ Aug 25 2015, 08:35 PM)
Are you set in going to Australia only? If you're willing to do an advanced degree (Masters/PhD) and your field is STEM then the US has a lot of opportunities with potential for PR as well.
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My first priority is Australia then New Zealand & UK. Unfortunately my field in not in STEM, thanks for info tho.

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post Aug 26 2015, 10:38 AM

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QUOTE(shazam7 @ Aug 26 2015, 08:18 AM)
As u know, there are too many grads and not enough jobs. IMO it is a waste of $ to spend so much on any uni degrees/masters etc, with no guarantee of any return (except maybe to satisfy your learning 'wants'). Would suggest short term certs/diplomas if a Aust certification is required.

Job market will continually shrink in many areas, what with the Chinese economy in slowdown, inc prevalence of outsourcing and 457 visas. As mentioned there are more opportunities in aged care, child care and trades. Accounting, engineering, IT degrees are practically worthless. Graphic design - so many in the marketplace and also outsourced via the web.
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Hi, there are few reasons why I come out with the options to pursue Master.

- Change of career path, I want to become a trainer/tutor/lecturer in the future. And most of these jobs required Master qualification in education line.
- With Postgraduate Research Sector visa (subclass 574), Me & my partner can work full time. Hence enable us to come here to find job easier, but of course I still need to focus on my study, but will try to find short term project based job if they prefer outsourcing projects. If my partner can get a full time job and get sponsored by employer in future for 457 visa etc... that will be ideal. But if really cannot find any jobs at all over there, my partner will look into taking short term course in child care.. Able to land there first and get first hand view/experience the whole situation at Australia is important I think, and I want to get into OZ with the best option I can.
- But of course $$$ will always be a big consideration, hence I mentioned applying scholarships is crucial part of my application. Else, I will sell one of my property here to support the fees.



daylight_dancer what do you think?

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post Aug 26 2015, 10:47 AM

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QUOTE(daylight_dancer @ Aug 26 2015, 10:31 AM)
So ultimate goal is not to have a Masters in the end? If it is to complete a Master by research, there is a scheme called 'Research Training Scheme', Where The Aussie government pays your tuition fees for the entire duration of your study. Requirements: Aussie PR/ citizen and MUST complete your course. Which means your school fees is FREE.
Have got yourself assessed for a 190/189 visa?

My main reason for applying for PR is to do a PHD in the end, and some other stuff la (money, and such  smile.gif )
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Yes, get assessed from 3 agents. Apply 190 and wait until there is opening from any states. But I don't like to just sit there and wait for 1 or 2 years. I prefer to take more actions such as pursuing a Master degree etc...


QUOTE(daylight_dancer @ Aug 26 2015, 10:33 AM)
After doing my undergrad, I was quite malas to go back to school. Then I decide to join the academic line, so no choice la. HAD to do a postgraduate degree. Slog, travel, work all at the same time. For two years. What an experience.

I suppose in my case because I'm in education, I NEED a postgrad qualification. Plus I did it at a local uni, so it was cheap lah. EPF a/c 2 can kaotim the whole thing. smile.gif
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QUOTE(daylight_dancer @ Aug 26 2015, 10:36 AM)
Whoops just saw your occupation. Forgot you were a designer.

Anyway if this is the case, instead of doing a Masters in design, work a few years more. Change your profession. I did a Masters, only because I needed it to job hop to a better company (education line).
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Oh ya, still can get some funds from EPF acc2... laugh.gif Entering education line is one of my target.
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post Sep 2 2015, 09:44 AM

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QUOTE(gdryan @ Sep 1 2015, 09:43 AM)
Hi mate, before you read my below suggestion, remember it is my, very personal suggestion, same as others'. Your life is yours, so listen to your heart and do what you want to do.

Option 1 is wasting money. You are too rich, too many greenback to burn. What kind of benefit you are looking for by burning tens of thousands AU dollars. Employers won't care your master, in fact, you will receive “unfortunately, you are over qualified." when you apply jobs.

Option 2 sux. do you know how much a lecturer can earn? 4-5k ave (wif some sorts of exp, fresh graduates, even with master degree will not earn that much). Nowadays, you need to get a PhD to be a lecturer. which means another 3-4 years studies at least. don't tell me part time phd, this is extremely difficult. probably one of ten can finally get their Dr. title at the end. If you are clever guy, in 2+4 yrs time, you can easily be a manager and earn double compare to a collage lecturer.

You are 28, you are young but not many years to waste, better find a better path. just my view, Aus is not a good place for you.

1. living expense very high, higher than msia;
Living expenses doesn't necessary higher than Malaysia. I compare groceries choice & prices between Australia and Malaysia, I find Australia is more affordable.

2. job opportunities less than msia, both countries are similar ( economic is heavily depending on commodity price and both has lots difficulties to face); But at least in Malaysia, unemployment rate is far more better than Australia;
This I agree with you


3. u think about studies, means you want an office work. you better do not come to Aus. You will get more chances in Asian. if you just wan more money, doesn't matter what to do, pick fruits, chef, hairdresser, construction site, electrician, plumber, etc. Aus is a better place.
Studies is just an options for me to go there and get more points for PR, and also to familiar with the environment, people, industry...... I do think about taking  diploma in automotive/electrician as these are more demand skills in australia.

Of course, if you lucky enough, like some other members here, find a permanent full time job. earn at least 50k/yr. you will love Aus. what I am talking about is percentage. here are two real examples:

1. master degree (UK), from english educated background, 1 yr AU experience and was a manager in KL. Applying two years jobs with no offer (any office position, i met him last month and he was applying office admin position). Luckily his family is rich;

2. i play regular sport game every sat with group of asian (chinese, malaysian, hongki.....), at least 50% dont have full time job and consider go back their country.

Here is my advice to you:

1. economic is bad at the moment, don't waste your money, find some job and bring back home bacon!
2. go some places with less affect of commodity such as Singapore.
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Hi mate, thanks for your advise. Option 1 and 2 are just some options that I can look into & take consideration, I am still open to all possibilities, hence all of your opinions is welcomed smile.gif

I am not looking to earn big money in Australia. I am just looking for a comfortable and peaceful life. I am not rich, I crossed South China Sea from Sabah to Kuala Lumpur to study and work. I am lucky enough to have a small car and a house after work and save. But I dont feel this is the place I wanted to stay and I wish to look for a better place. After visited Australia, I think the lifestyle is suitable for me and I wish to at least try to live there for a period of time. So that is why I am in this forum asking for advice and opinions.

Singapore's overall environment is stress, it is like KL but better $$ and security.

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