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daylight_dancer
post Aug 14 2015, 11:45 PM

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QUOTE(KVReninem @ Aug 14 2015, 11:42 PM)
oh wait, u plan to do research work in Curtin here? unsure.gif
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PhD. Aus government waives the tuition fee for domestic (PR & citizens of AU/NZ) for research degrees. Even MY gov does not do that. Plus I've always thought of going back at some point. Perfect opportunity.
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post Aug 14 2015, 11:56 PM

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QUOTE(daylight_dancer @ Aug 14 2015, 01:15 PM)
PhD. Aus government waives the tuition fee for domestic (PR & citizens of AU/NZ) for research degrees. Even MY gov does not do that. Plus I've always thought of going back at some point.  Perfect opportunity.
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rclxms.gif Yes, smile.gif Yeah, Curtin been pumping in alot for their research division sweat.gif
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post Aug 15 2015, 07:39 AM

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Daylight , the 190 is restriction free, not to worry about moving. You do not need to seek sate permission .

When you get you grant you will see as it says "Australian resident" restriction free

Only regional and certain visas have state restriction where you have to live in a designated post code.

By the way I know cause I went straight to dips offices in melbourne , they told me I'm free to do whatever I want and move anywhere. The visa is issued by federal gov not state,
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post Aug 15 2015, 09:13 AM

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QUOTE(selvenz @ Aug 15 2015, 07:39 AM)
Daylight , the 190 is restriction free, not to worry about moving. You do not need to seek sate permission .

When you get you grant you will see as it says "Australian resident" restriction free

Only regional and certain visas have state restriction where you have to live in a designated post code.

By the way I know cause I went straight to dips offices in melbourne , they told me I'm free to do whatever I want and move anywhere. The visa is issued by federal gov not state,
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Ah, cool. Thanks dude! smile.gif
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post Aug 15 2015, 11:31 PM

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QUOTE(Soony @ Aug 14 2015, 05:46 PM)
Very hard to be honest, unless you have a very niche skill. Any chance of furthering your studies in Australia then apply for jobs? Chances are higher that way.
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Hi Soony, thanks for the reply. I am thinking it will be very hard also, so I am thinking of a backup plan, which is, instead of paying so much for the migration agent(for visa 190) and then stuck at EOI waiting for state to have quota for my skill. I am thinking maybe I go take a certificate/diploma in Bakery/Patisserie for 2 years, at the same time try to get part time jobs and my partner follow me there to do part time job as well and slowly work up from there... but quite hard to see what is the outcome of this road.... I have the thought to take Master in my field as well, but the fees is very high and I think I might have problem support myself.


QUOTE(daylight_dancer @ Aug 14 2015, 09:47 PM)
Change your profession, if I'm being blunt.

I was a graphic designer. I say was, because I decided i had enough of the rough timings of working in advertising (10pm, 1 am etc).

Best damn decision I ever made- going into education. I now TEACH design at a private uni instead so my SOL is on the State Nom list for a 190 for SA. It took about a week or so after I put in my EOI for me to get an invite from SA to apply (under vocational teacher).

My friend who also applied under SA was pretty shocked at how quickly my EOI was issued with an invite when compared to hers (editor).

Also when you go, don't expect to work as a designer. You might, but you may not, so there's that. My parents have these friends who migrated in the 90s, and the husband couldn't get a proper job, despite having a masters in HR. So he decided to be a taxi drivers and made a fantastic living; he even began leasing out his vehicle when he got too busy.

He's now teaching driving at a driving school and is incredibly happy because it's not as stressful.
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Hi daylight_dancer, really glad to hear from someone in similar field. May I know when you start to teach? in Malaysia or Australia? I have this idea before to become a trainer to teach/train video editing or Adobe After Effects software but I have not yet start on that. Would really love to hear how you become a vocational teacher, the IELTS requirement if not mistaken is very high if want to become an educator, right? I would like to go through the same path like you because that will be the best option for me as I have think of become a trainer as well because teaching people doesnt need to OT!


Currently I have 2 options in my mind and I still very much undecided cry.gif

1. Apply 190 through agent, Around RM34k. At EOI stage just wait & pray some state will want my skills. I dont like this never ending waits.... IF get then will be very happy la, at there then can slowly find jobs, although not sure can get or not. That time most of my savings will pay to agent already....


2. Go study Bakery/Patisserie for 2 years, around AUD 32k for 2 years. While study do part time 20 hours /week (baking etc..) , partner also try to find part time 20 hours /week as allowed in the visa. My partner actually is a Graphic Designer, so hopefully she can find part time job and if the employer like her, she can get work visa to work full time, then after 2 years try to apply fo PR, then I also can become PR. Same goes to me, try to build network and try some freelance work hopefully will find some employer that feel comfortable with me working with them and grant me work visa.

3rd option... any suggestion?

I am planning to go next year June/July

This post has been edited by normaron: Aug 15 2015, 11:32 PM
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post Aug 16 2015, 12:22 AM

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QUOTE(normaron @ Aug 15 2015, 11:31 PM)
Hi Soony, thanks for the reply. I am thinking it will be very hard also, so I am thinking of a backup plan, which is, instead of paying so much for the migration agent(for visa 190) and then stuck at EOI waiting for state to have quota for my skill. I am thinking maybe I go take a certificate/diploma in Bakery/Patisserie for 2 years, at the same time try to get part time jobs and my partner follow me there to do part time job as well and slowly work up from there... but quite hard to see what is the outcome of this road.... I have the thought to take Master in my field as well, but the fees is very high and I think I might have problem support myself.
Hi daylight_dancer, really glad to hear from someone in similar field. May I know when you start to teach? in Malaysia or Australia? I have this idea before to become a trainer to teach/train video editing or Adobe After Effects software but I have not yet start on that. Would really love to hear how you become a vocational teacher, the IELTS requirement if not mistaken is very high if want to become an educator, right? I would like to go through the same path like you because that will be the best option for me as I have think of become a trainer as well because teaching people doesnt need to OT!
Currently I have 2 options in my mind and I still very much undecided cry.gif

1. Apply 190 through agent, Around RM34k. At EOI stage just wait & pray some state will want my skills. I dont like this never ending waits.... IF get then will be very happy la, at there then can slowly find jobs, although not sure can get or not. That time most of my savings will pay to agent already....
2. Go study Bakery/Patisserie for 2 years, around AUD 32k for 2 years. While study do part time 20 hours /week (baking etc..) , partner also try to find part time 20 hours /week as allowed in the visa. My partner actually is a Graphic Designer, so hopefully she can find part time job and if the employer like her, she can get work visa to work full time, then after 2 years try to apply fo PR, then I also can become PR. Same goes to me, try to build network and try some freelance work hopefully will find some employer that feel comfortable with me working with them and grant me work visa.

3rd option... any suggestion?

I am planning to go next year June/July
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TO answer your questions the best I can:

I have a degree in GD, which was earned in Aus & a MAster in Vis Art, which was done locally. I did come home after I finished though. I teach in a private uni here in Malaysia. For the IELTS- Voactional TEacher requires a score of 7 in all areas. Mine were okay- (L 8.5/ S 8/ W 8/ R7 [coz got lazy tongue.gif ]/ overall:8)

I had to submit Tax forms (BE) & employment offer & confirmation letters as proof of my experience as a vocational teacher.


I applied via an agent as I did not understand the paperwork and such involved and my workload was pretty heavy.I was afraid that I might make a mistake. My agent quoted me a total cost of 27k, with payments scheduled per task done (usually months or weeks in between).

Sponsored by employer visas are very hard to come by these days. Graphic Designers jobs are not skills that locals cannot do, so they'd probably hire a local instead of paying for your visa.

Get a visa on your own. It will take longer if you change professions, but it'll be worth it. I initially wanted to apply as a designer as well, but the points in the old system would not add up. Don't be so stuck on going in June/ July- the entire process of filing for PR itself takes a while- with VETASSESS assessments, IELTS exams, the EOI & invite being issues, the CO being assigned and such.

I would suggest you see an agent for a free assessment to see if you qualify at first. Otherwise you might want to see NZ pr maybe?

This post has been edited by daylight_dancer: Aug 16 2015, 12:28 AM
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post Aug 16 2015, 07:06 AM

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Irony.....on Aussie pr you can live and work in New Zealand , but on New Zealand pr you can't work in australia

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post Aug 16 2015, 08:16 AM

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QUOTE(daylight_dancer @ Aug 15 2015, 01:52 PM)
TO answer your questions the best I can:

I have a degree in GD, which was earned in Aus & a MAster in Vis Art, which was done locally. I did come home after I finished though. I teach in a private uni here in Malaysia. For the IELTS- Voactional TEacher requires a score of 7 in all areas. Mine were okay- (L 8.5/ S 8/ W 8/ R7 [coz got lazy  tongue.gif ]/ overall:8)

I had to submit Tax forms (BE) & employment offer & confirmation letters as proof of my experience as a vocational teacher.
I applied via an agent as I did not understand the paperwork and such involved and my workload was pretty heavy.I was afraid that I might make a mistake. My agent quoted me a total cost of 27k, with payments scheduled per task done (usually months or weeks in between).

Sponsored by employer visas are very hard to come by these days. Graphic Designers jobs are not skills that locals cannot do, so they'd probably hire a local instead of paying for your visa.

Get a visa on your own. It will take longer if you change professions, but it'll be worth it. I initially wanted to apply as a designer as well, but the points in the old system would not add up. Don't be so stuck on going in June/ July- the entire process of filing for PR itself takes a while- with VETASSESS assessments, IELTS exams, the EOI & invite being issues, the CO being assigned and such.

I would suggest you see an agent for a free assessment to see if you qualify at first. Otherwise you might want to see NZ pr maybe?
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its outsourced..or in contract level. A skill that easily be pick up by australian.
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QUOTE(selvenz @ Aug 15 2015, 08:36 PM)
Irony.....on Aussie pr you can live and work in New Zealand , but on New Zealand pr you can't work in australia
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Haha yeah. So most would iether settled down in NZ with dual citizen or find somewhere else.

But kiwi citizen can work here..interesting double standard policy laugh.gif
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QUOTE(normaron @ Aug 16 2015, 02:31 AM)
I am thinking maybe I go take a certificate/diploma in Bakery/Patisserie for 2 years

. Would really love to hear how you become a vocational teacher, the IELTS requirement if not mistaken is very high if want to become an educator, right? I would like to go through the same path like you because that will be the best option for me as I have think of become a trainer as well because teaching people doesnt need to OT!

Currently I have 2 options in my mind and I still very much undecided cry.gif

1. Apply 190 through agent, Around RM34k. At EOI stage just wait & pray some state will want my skills. I dont like this never ending waits.... IF get then will be very happy la, at there then can slowly find jobs, although not sure can get or not. That time most of my savings will pay to agent already....
2. Go study Bakery/Patisserie for 2 years, around AUD 32k for 2 years. While study do part time 20 hours /week (baking etc..) , partner also try to find part time 20 hours /week as allowed in the visa. My partner actually is a Graphic Designer, so hopefully she can find part time job and if the employer like her, she can get work visa to work full time, then after 2 years try to apply fo PR, then I also can become PR. Same goes to me, try to build network and try some freelance work hopefully will find some employer that feel comfortable with me working with them and grant me work visa.

3rd option... any suggestion?

I am planning to go next year June/July
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Although I am not in this field, I understand that to teach in Oz, u need a minimum of Cert IV in Training & Assessment. Many Oz TAFEs offer this, and also u can study online as well.

I would invest the min amt to study any course, due to the fact that having a course doesn't automatically guarantee a job.

Yr plan of studying 2 years and 'hope' someone offers a full time job is risky. As many have said, a lot of jobs have become commodities n u compete with ppl all over the world doing the same job for next to nothing.

So the trick is to find jobs that are difficult to be outsourced.

I think that the Childcare, Disability Care & Aged Care are potentially in demand. Not highly paid tho.

You can also think of taking d Responsible Service of Alcohol & Gambling certificate. U can get part time jobs in restaurants, hotels, casinos etc. This is normally a 1 day course.
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post Aug 16 2015, 04:52 PM

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QUOTE(shazam7 @ Aug 16 2015, 03:37 PM)
Hi
Although I am not in this field, I understand that to teach in Oz, u need a minimum of Cert IV in Training & Assessment. Many Oz TAFEs offer this, and also u can study online as well.

I would invest the min amt to study any course, due to the fact that having a course doesn't automatically guarantee a job.

Yr plan of studying 2 years and 'hope' someone offers a full time job is risky. As many have said, a lot of jobs have become commodities n u compete with ppl all over the world doing the same job for next to nothing.

So the trick is to find jobs that are difficult to be outsourced.

I think that the Childcare, Disability Care & Aged Care are potentially in demand. Not highly paid tho.

You can also think of taking d Responsible Service of Alcohol & Gambling certificate. U can get part time  jobs in restaurants, hotels, casinos etc. This is normally a 1 day course.
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Certificate IV in training and assessment is required to teach TAFE. Not required for university lecturers, which is what my actual current job is. Because VETASSESS gave problems with that bit, seeing that my old place of work didn't focus on research, they asked me to swap to vocational teacher instead.


Also if working in a TAFE in Vic/ NSW, I believe you have to get a "working with children" clearance.
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QUOTE(shazam7 @ Aug 16 2015, 05:07 AM)
Hi
Although I am not in this field, I understand that to teach in Oz, u need a minimum of Cert IV in Training & Assessment. Many Oz TAFEs offer this, and also u can study online as well.

I would invest the min amt to study any course, due to the fact that having a course doesn't automatically guarantee a job.

Yr plan of studying 2 years and 'hope' someone offers a full time job is risky. As many have said, a lot of jobs have become commodities n u compete with ppl all over the world doing the same job for next to nothing.

So the trick is to find jobs that are difficult to be outsourced.

I think that the Childcare, Disability Care & Aged Care are potentially in demand. Not highly paid tho.

You can also think of taking d Responsible Service of Alcohol & Gambling certificate. U can get part time  jobs in restaurants, hotels, casinos etc. This is normally a 1 day course.
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Aged care. if you great with aging population sweat.gif
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QUOTE(robertchoo @ Aug 14 2015, 07:27 PM)
I thought you were saying Australia is best? Thought you were just migrated to aus not long ago?
I'm not trying to troll you but didn't you say everything is good in Aus a year or so back? What changed?
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Yeap, Australia is the best mate. Have a nice boss and colleagues having beer & BBQ every Friday evening.
I fulfilled my 2 years PR in 5 years so looking to walk and venture other places. Never changed on decision made and happy with it.
Got a job vacancies in Guam and pay off USD and it's Oz company. tropical island life i would say biggrin.gif

Or can i say...WAH! I SUFFERED BADLY HERE! FULL OF RACISM IN OZ! BUTT HURTS, HARDLY SURVIVE HERE! NO JOB! HOPELESS LAND! REGRET MY DECISION!!!

Well mate, this thread is about working in Australia. brows.gif

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QUOTE(robertchoo @ Aug 14 2015, 07:28 PM)
Connections. Speaking from experience
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Yeap, talk about money mate. If you got a job offer by Oz company and pays you USD would you go? brows.gif
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QUOTE(KVReninem @ Aug 14 2015, 07:52 PM)
isnt it easier for SG to get PR than Malaysia? unsure.gif
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I met some sg family here under student and biz TR.
It doesn't make any difference or special for SG. It all falls on same categories as long you're not from middle eastern or some extreme country.
It'll take them 3 years.

Well, SG is not my cup of tea. Sorry if i say that coz i met a lot of SG family here. They left SG for good. Not becoz their country is not good but the stress and culture that pushes them too hard. So they decide to leave.
It's all very personal to each person to migrate.

'some' ppl finds SG living and working culture is their way of life and proud of that but think again.

If you guys step into family route, the majority of parents who spend with their kids or family is far lesser than what we're having it here. This is called luxurious and quality life. Please note this comment is not by me but from a SG family who works as manager in a bank in SG. They sacrificed themselves as what we did for children beter future. smile.gif
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QUOTE(normaron @ Aug 15 2015, 11:31 PM)
Hi Soony, thanks for the reply. I am thinking it will be very hard also, so I am thinking of a backup plan, which is, instead of paying so much for the migration agent(for visa 190) and then stuck at EOI waiting for state to have quota for my skill. I am thinking maybe I go take a certificate/diploma in Bakery/Patisserie for 2 years, at the same time try to get part time jobs and my partner follow me there to do part time job as well and slowly work up from there... but quite hard to see what is the outcome of this road.... I have the thought to take Master in my field as well, but the fees is very high and I think I might have problem support myself.
Hi daylight_dancer, really glad to hear from someone in similar field. May I know when you start to teach? in Malaysia or Australia? I have this idea before to become a trainer to teach/train video editing or Adobe After Effects software but I have not yet start on that. Would really love to hear how you become a vocational teacher, the IELTS requirement if not mistaken is very high if want to become an educator, right? I would like to go through the same path like you because that will be the best option for me as I have think of become a trainer as well because teaching people doesnt need to OT!
Currently I have 2 options in my mind and I still very much undecided cry.gif

1. Apply 190 through agent, Around RM34k. At EOI stage just wait & pray some state will want my skills. I dont like this never ending waits.... IF get then will be very happy la, at there then can slowly find jobs, although not sure can get or not. That time most of my savings will pay to agent already....
2. Go study Bakery/Patisserie for 2 years, around AUD 32k for 2 years. While study do part time 20 hours /week (baking etc..) , partner also try to find part time 20 hours /week as allowed in the visa. My partner actually is a Graphic Designer, so hopefully she can find part time job and if the employer like her, she can get work visa to work full time, then after 2 years try to apply fo PR, then I also can become PR. Same goes to me, try to build network and try some freelance work hopefully will find some employer that feel comfortable with me working with them and grant me work visa.

3rd option... any suggestion?

I am planning to go next year June/July
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My suggestion:-

Get yourself PR application DIY. Getting agent is just meant for someone who're from none english background (China/Japan...etc). For your case, save that agent fees and start reading DIAC website. It's just straight forward.
Once you get EOI done, they'll engage case officer and just fulfill whatever they request you to do.

Now, for freelance, you could always post you graphic design profession in gumtree. Highlight your strong point. Always remember charge based on hourly rate as you don't wanna spoil the market. I did my profession to earn some extra cash.

There's plenty of casual work here. Depending on your timeframe and availability.

Bakery is pretty high demand here. If you could, once you got exp., can start up new biz here yourself.

Always think positive mate. Hands on nod.gif
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QUOTE(selvenz @ Aug 16 2015, 07:06 AM)
Irony.....on Aussie pr you can live and work in New Zealand , but on New Zealand pr you can't work in australia
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That's the beauty of it rclxms.gif
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QUOTE(shazam7 @ Aug 16 2015, 03:37 PM)
Hi
Although I am not in this field, I understand that to teach in Oz, u need a minimum of Cert IV in Training & Assessment. Many Oz TAFEs offer this, and also u can study online as well.

I would invest the min amt to study any course, due to the fact that having a course doesn't automatically guarantee a job.

Yr plan of studying 2 years and 'hope' someone offers a full time job is risky. As many have said, a lot of jobs have become commodities n u compete with ppl all over the world doing the same job for next to nothing.

So the trick is to find jobs that are difficult to be outsourced.

I think that the Childcare, Disability Care & Aged Care are potentially in demand. Not highly paid tho.

You can also think of taking d Responsible Service of Alcohol & Gambling certificate. U can get part time  jobs in restaurants, hotels, casinos etc. This is normally a 1 day course.
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I've visiting aged care centre 3 times so far. Well, met a young malaysian lenglui who actually working there for 3 years. She's happy there and she likes the job very much.
She start up with cert IV and taking care of pensioners there. I met some apek who aged at 100 and still walking...hehe

They have very clean environment and good facilities there so, i don't see any hard to take care of them. This is a high demand job for sure
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post Aug 17 2015, 11:22 AM

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QUOTE(Nemesis1980 @ Aug 17 2015, 10:10 AM)
My suggestion:-

Get yourself PR application DIY. Getting agent is just meant for someone who're from none english background (China/Japan...etc). For your case, save that agent fees and start reading DIAC website. It's just straight forward.
Once you get EOI done, they'll engage case officer and just fulfill whatever they request you to do.

Now, for freelance, you could always post you graphic design profession in gumtree. Highlight your strong point. Always remember charge based on hourly rate as you don't wanna spoil the market. I did my profession to earn some extra cash.

There's plenty of casual work here. Depending on your timeframe and availability.

Bakery is pretty high demand here. If you could, once you got exp., can start up new biz here yourself.

Always think positive mate. Hands on  nod.gif
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True, but oiiii I can read/write English, it is my first language anyway. tongue.gif Just had a little self doubt as to the process and such, so hired an agent. I have no regrets, as the agent has been very professional and even paid for my second VETASSESS assessment when the first one was not satisfactory.

Problem with what he's facing- Graphic Designers are not on the SOL anymore. So he has no visa option, unless he swaps industry.
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QUOTE(daylight_dancer @ Aug 17 2015, 11:22 AM)
True, but oiiii I can read/write English, it is my first language anyway. tongue.gif  Just had a little self doubt as to the process and such, so hired an agent. I have no regrets, as the agent has been very professional and even paid for my second VETASSESS assessment when the first one was not satisfactory.

Problem with what he's facing- Graphic Designers are not on the SOL anymore. So he has no visa option, unless he swaps industry.
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Well, RM34k is not small amount...maybe you're Tan Sri's son laugh.gif
I engaged the agent for PR too but my case is very straight forward. Reason is i got really no time to source my application and phone calls. So i pay off everything and whole family at RM20k.

What's your profession anyway?

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