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 Working in Australia, Experiences working in Australia.

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Nemesis1980
post Jun 14 2013, 06:40 PM

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QUOTE(darkhorse_86 @ Jun 14 2013, 06:12 PM)
From a jobseekers point of view, beware of a scam going around that advertises for a job that works from home at the moment with no prior experience whatsoever and they give you the job without the interview. The catch is that they will request for your bank details and you will serve as their money mule in respect of illegal money laundering activities. Beware I was aware of this before getting scammed.
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Yeah, many falls into victims on this. The moral is never ever give ur details or watsoever account no. to john doe
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post Jun 14 2013, 06:47 PM

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QUOTE(TSOM @ Jun 14 2013, 06:01 PM)
Nursing?? That's good lo ... in many countries, nursing is considered shortage skilled jobs... I've seen a number of malaysians migrated being in this profession. Where are you now?? In NZ or back in M'sia???

Why didn't I choose nursing ... sad.gif
Not surprising. Australia is huge!! Greenland is about 2.1million km2, Borneo is about 0.7mil km2, while Australia is 8.6mil km2. You can imagine how big is the land size!!

Even the whole EU with 27 member states is only 4.3mil km2....!!!
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There's nothing to proud of my friend on having visa. I've being cursed saying that i'm not loving my country and leaving my family and friends behind. sad.gif . Pretty sad though and always encouraging anyone who i know who really interested could actually apply. At least we're not going there alone and has community there.
There's a big huge challenge like securing a job and totally starting all over. If not for the sake of children, migration is not an option.
I don't want end up working on odd jobs forever even though their pay is good. hmm.gif
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post Jun 14 2013, 06:49 PM

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QUOTE(Nemesis1980 @ Jun 14 2013, 06:40 PM)
Yeah, many falls into victims on this. The moral is never ever give ur details or watsoever account no. to john doe
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They harvest your information mainly from cvs and info that you put publicly on job portals
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post Jun 14 2013, 09:29 PM

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Bad news if you planning to come with your spouse/wife/family to Australia for work. DIAC just announced there will be fees for second or more applicant that attached to primary applicant. Eg. subclass 189 will have to pay $1.5k for secondary applicant which mean $3060+$1.5k

http://www.immi.gov.au/allforms/new-visa-charges-1july2013/
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post Jun 14 2013, 11:21 PM

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QUOTE(Nemesis1980 @ Jun 14 2013, 06:47 PM)
There's a big huge challenge like securing a job and totally starting all over. If not for the sake of children, migration is not an option.
I don't want end up working on odd jobs forever even though their pay is good.  hmm.gif
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When you say for the sake of the children, what do you mean? Education? Lifestyle? Weather? Money? Thanks.

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post Jun 15 2013, 01:49 PM

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QUOTE(Nemesis1980 @ Jun 14 2013, 11:08 AM)
1st month might need to meet agent as more as possible. Later if no news, then might walk in to meet HR.
If 2nd month really no news, then really need to do some odd jobs. If 3rd month still no job, might heading melbourne or sydney try luck.
Based on last trip, Perth has like 1000 new immigrants coming in each week as highlighted in local newspaper and this really shocked me.
I definitely will try to invest a property there as rental is good.
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My 2 cents is: DON'T.
If you have the experience and skillset in their critical skillset list, just wait for the opportunity by applying it offshore while working.
Don't do the odd job thingy and if you do try not to exceed 6 months.
Put yourself in the employers shoes. Would you employ someone who is out of the industry and is doing odd jobs for 2 years, for example?
There are lots of competition, as you indicated and if you are out of the industry for some time, you lose that competitive edge especially if your job is in one of those rapid chaging ones like IT for example.
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post Jun 15 2013, 01:52 PM

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QUOTE(TSOM @ Jun 13 2013, 06:18 PM)
still haven't ciao??? I thought you left long time d ...

If I got my PR, I would leave within 1 month!!  sad.gif
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Yes, you will.
And you will return to Malaysia in 2-3 year when your savings run out or you find out you're going nowhere career wise if you're doing odd jobs in Australia.
And then you're going to have a problem getting jobs in malaysia coz you don't have any skillset worth the money.
In short, you'll be stuck.
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post Jun 15 2013, 11:14 PM

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When you become Tauke please write me an job offer so I can go there too.. tongue.gif tongue.gif
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When you become Tauke please write me an job offer so I can go there too..  tongue.gif  tongue.gif
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QUOTE(robertchoo @ Jun 15 2013, 03:49 PM)
My 2 cents is: DON'T.
If you have the experience and skillset in their critical skillset list, just wait for the opportunity by applying it offshore while working.
Don't do the odd job thingy and if you do try not to exceed 6 months.
Put yourself in the employers shoes. Would you employ someone who is out of the industry and is doing odd jobs for 2 years, for example?
There are lots of competition, as you indicated and if you are out of the industry for some time, you lose that competitive edge especially if your job is in one of those rapid chaging ones like IT for example.
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The chance of doing it is very very low. Employer in Australia is not like in Singapore where they will invite people in Malaysia for interview. Employer(or HR) will filter those applicants who are not onshore.

I don't see any difference if you are applying offshore and onshore. If let's say they invite you to interview and get rejected, will you go back Malaysia and look again?

Although it is safe to do it offshore first but sometime you have to take the risk.
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QUOTE(hihihehe @ Jun 16 2013, 03:16 PM)
The chance of doing it is very very low. Employer in Australia is not like in Singapore where they will invite people in Malaysia for interview. Employer(or HR) will filter those applicants who are not onshore.

I don't see any difference if you are applying offshore and onshore. If let's say they invite you to interview and get rejected, will you go back Malaysia and look again?

Although it is safe to do it offshore first but sometime you have to take the risk.
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Provided you either have no commitments or have deep pockets.
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QUOTE(robertchoo @ Jun 16 2013, 05:22 PM)
Provided you either have no commitments or have deep pockets.
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Doesn't matter. Employer won't care about your commitments. They want to make it fast and easy. THey are the boss and not employee.

What if they call you for interview tomorrow when you still in Malaysia? Buy ticket straight away?
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QUOTE(hihihehe @ Jun 16 2013, 04:39 PM)
What if they call you for interview tomorrow when you still in Malaysia? Buy ticket straight away?
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If you applied and this happens, book straight away even if it costs you a bomb. Trust me, it is a rare chance getting a job interview when you are not in Australia. This means that your skill sets are extremely high in demand.

However, the chances of this happening are quite slim. If you put yourself in the employers shoes, you may slightly prefer someone who has relevant local experience and has experience in the Australian Workplace vs. someone who is completely foreign. But if the above happens, do whatever it takes as it is a rare opportunity.
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QUOTE(darkhorse_86 @ Jun 16 2013, 07:24 PM)
If you applied and this happens, book straight away even if it costs you a bomb. Trust me, it is a rare chance getting a job interview when you are not in Australia. This means that your skill sets are extremely high in demand.

However, the chances of this happening are quite slim. If you put yourself in the employers shoes, you may slightly prefer someone who has relevant local experience and has experience in the Australian Workplace vs. someone who is completely foreign. But if the above happens, do whatever it takes as it is a rare opportunity.
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That was what I meant. Most, if not all, will call you by phone instead of email to arrange for interview. International call is not practical for them although Skype can do the jobs easily.

Anyway, all the best to all(including me) who looking for job. I just can't wait to get out of my company tongue.gif
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QUOTE(hihihehe @ Jun 16 2013, 04:39 PM)
Doesn't matter. Employer won't care about your commitments. They want to make it fast and easy. THey are the boss and not employee.

What if they call you for interview tomorrow when you still in Malaysia? Buy ticket straight away?
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The thing to note here is that if you have the experience and the skillset which they are critically in need of, then i don't think they mind flying you down to Australia for an interview.
Like what Nemesis is (i think he mentioned he has 10+ years experience but don't know which industry). I know of a few friends who also have companies in Australia flying them in for an interview - all expenses paid. But they are senior (15+ years of experience) in the Oil & Gas industry in Malaysia.

I guess the ones you are referring to are either on the junior side where there are more demand for jobs than supply.
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QUOTE(robertchoo @ Jun 16 2013, 10:37 PM)
The thing to note here is that if you have the experience and the skillset which they are critically in need of, then i don't think they mind flying you down to Australia for an interview.
Like what Nemesis is (i think he mentioned he has 10+ years experience but don't know which industry). I know of a few friends who also have companies in Australia flying them in for an interview - all expenses paid. But they are senior (15+ years of experience) in the Oil & Gas industry in Malaysia.

I guess the ones you are referring to are either on the junior side where there are more demand for jobs than supply.
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In my opinion, 10+years of experience is so normal nowadays(unless like you said, skills desperately needed in Australia). Many offshore IT people(particularly from India and Pakistan) have more than 6 years of experience but yet they still finding it hard to secure a job that closely matched their skill. I know because I am quite active lately in one of the immigration forum and many offshore IT people with lots of experiences ranting around

Anyway, it still depends the location that you going to based on. No doubt Melbourne and Sydney have lots of IT positions but I guess the IT market in Perth is a bit slower.
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Nursing. A reality check. Nurses working in countries with public health care better watch out. In bad time, many will be laid off when gov't balance the book
Sure OZ is huge .But much of it is uninhabitable due to climate and water availibilty




QUOTE(TSOM @ Jun 14 2013, 06:01 PM)
Nursing?? That's good lo ... in many countries, nursing is considered shortage skilled jobs... I've seen a number of malaysians migrated being in this profession. Where are you now?? In NZ or back in M'sia???

Why didn't I choose nursing ... sad.gif
Not surprising. Australia is huge!! Greenland is about 2.1million km2, Borneo is about 0.7mil km2, while Australia is 8.6mil km2. You can imagine how big is the land size!!

Even the whole EU with 27 member states is only 4.3mil km2....!!!
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Better beware of offshore applicants. Just 2 months ago or so, Canada 's largest bank RBC(Royal Bank of Canada) was in the news of letting it's own IT staff go and offshoring the work to India and the company brought in temporary workers to replace the locals.
An unemployed worker of India origin told the media that most Indian IT workers resume were all 'dress up' so they can be 'fast track' by immigration. Showed a few copies of resumes(photocopies??) and the discrepencies eg age and experience don't add up, bad spelling of unis and colleges, some don't exist etc


QUOTE(hihihehe @ Jun 16 2013, 09:16 PM)
In my opinion, 10+years of experience is so normal nowadays(unless like you said, skills desperately needed in Australia). Many offshore IT people(particularly from India and Pakistan) have more than 6 years of experience but yet they still finding it hard to secure a job that closely matched their skill. I know because I am quite active lately in one of the immigration forum and many offshore IT people with lots of experiences ranting around



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QUOTE(segamatboy @ Jun 16 2013, 11:54 PM)
Better beware of offshore applicants. Just 2 months ago or so, Canada 's  largest bank RBC(Royal Bank of Canada) was in the news of letting it's own IT staff go and  offshoring the work to India and the company brought in temporary workers to replace the locals.
An unemployed worker of India origin told the media that most Indian IT workers resume were all 'dress up' so they can be 'fast track' by immigration. Showed a few copies of resumes(photocopies??) and the discrepencies eg age and experience don't add up, bad spelling of unis and colleges, some don't exist etc
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I'm not surprising at all. Even the employer from India also send email to us(education industry) to clarify the applicant's(in India as well) education certification to make sure they are really graduated from our university. Getting working permit is easier because there is no skill assessment needed so those offshore people can make that up but getting PR is different as they need to provide documents to prove their experiences and qualification through skill assessment
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QUOTE(segamatboy @ Jun 16 2013, 09:36 PM)
Nursing. A reality check. Nurses working in countries with public health care better watch out. In bad time, many will be laid off when gov't balance the book
Sure OZ is huge .But much of it is uninhabitable due to climate and water availibilty
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Nursing is still very in demand. It shouldn't be too hard to find a job as a nurse. But prepare to work really hard, physically demanding and long continuous hours.. which shouldn't be any new if you are already a nurse in Malaysia. Pay is not high though, I heard senior nurse (more than 10 years+?) are still earning slightly less than first year doctor.



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