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post Sep 4 2011, 11:03 AM

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Folks,

Now, WHY the example about the bank matters??

Go back to the ORIGINAL story.

Somebody complain that bank is making too much money.

"Can Whine" people will continue WHINING.

"Can Do" people will ask how do I PROFIT from this?? And, they will buy bank stock and collect the PROFIT from the bank.

What is the DIFFERENCE?? MENTALITY and ATTITUDE....

Now, is it RIDICULOUS and FAR FETCHED to buy bank stock and collect DIVIDEND from Bank since Bank is making TOO MUCH MONEY??

If not, why do AVERAGE PEOPLE do not THINK of this??

It is VERY SIMPLE. They were TOO BUSY WHINING. They have NO TIME and ENERGY to find out what they "Can DO" about this situation.

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Added on September 4, 2011, 11:10 am
QUOTE(Tigerr @ Sep 4 2011, 10:55 AM)

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Tigerr,

Here we go again...

WHY should you buy LOUSY Bank??

What you "Can Do" about this??

If you do not like bank that DO NOT DISTRIBUTE their profit FAIRLY, do not buy them. Find one that is managed properly.

It took me about 4 to 5 years of research beyond the INITIAL IDEA to find one bank that I am willing to invest in. And, it has been profitable to me.

Will AVERAGE PEOPLE willing to make this kind of effort?? Of course not, they will continue WHINING about how all banks are bad.

Average people are not rich. Rich people are not average.

The MENTALITY and ATTITUDE are different.

Dreamer


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QUOTE(dreamer101 @ Sep 4 2011, 11:03 AM)
Folks,


If you do not like bank that DO NOT DISTRIBUTE their profit FAIRLY, do not buy them.  Find one that is managed properly.

It took me about 4 to 5 years of research beyond the INITIAL IDEA to find one bank that I am willing to invest in.  And, it has been profitable to me.

Will AVERAGE PEOPLE willing to make this kind of effort?? Of course not, they will continue WHINING about how all banks are bad.


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So Dreamer101, long story short, care to share with us which bank to go for? notworthy.gif Thank you in advance.
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QUOTE(MrFarmer @ Sep 4 2011, 11:18 AM)
So Dreamer101, long story short, care to share with us which bank to go for?  notworthy.gif  Thank you in advance.
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like he will share it to you or anyone, he will ask you to go do your own research/study

until now his personal "stories" are so general, open thread and ask people to dig up his old posts of >10k to find his stories
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QUOTE(dafreak @ Sep 4 2011, 10:37 AM)

To make money work for you, you first need to work for money

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Yes. This is definitely true. Your RICE POT= your CAREER.

DO everything you could to make sure your career GROW.

This is the Job and Career thread. If there is a need to go further (aka how to become financially independent), there is a lot of topics that can help us in Finance, Business and Investment House forum.
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QUOTE(realventis @ Sep 4 2011, 12:38 PM)
Yes. This is definitely true. Your RICE POT= your CAREER.

DO everything you could to make sure your career GROW.

This is the Job and Career thread. If there is a need to go further (aka how to become financially independent), there is a lot of topics that can help us in Finance, Business and Investment House forum.
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QUOTE(Kasey Brown @ Sep 4 2011, 04:15 AM)
@ 3dassets

>> If like that why not say god will take care of us or make us victims because of the sin from the past, punish or reward us depend on god's record and if my bad luck is due to bad karma, shit loh, wasted efforts anyhow, or maybe can repent and cleans the shit from my previous life. Its not fair but I cannot whine

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Map%E2%80%93territory_relation

A - You believe in karma, that doing good will make good come back.  So you start a company, treat your employees with kindness and respect, focus on the customer, and do the best job you can.  As a result, you get rich.

B - You believe in god, that doing good will cause him to bless you.  So you start a company, treat your employees with kindness and respect, focus on the customer, and do the best job you can.  As a result, you get rich.

C - You believe in natural consequence; there is no God or karma, but results happen according to your actions (treat people like a jerk, and you'll be treated LIKE a jerk).  So you start a company, treat your employees with kindness and respect, focus on the customer, and do the best job you can.  As a result, you get rich.

D - You want to live in a free and just society, because if we cannot help the many who are poor, then we cannot save the few who are rich.  So you start a company, treat your employees with kindness and respect, focus on the customer, and do the best job you can.  As a result, you get rich.

It doesn't matter what your interpretation of reality is, as long as we have a mutual understanding of reality of which we can convey.

Philosophy 101 FTW!!!

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Who told you going good will result in getting rich? God? If so, I should be rich by now but wait, every now and then innocent young girls got rape, rich people got murdered, why god punish them? The worst kind are those who refuse to see the complete picture, you marry a rich wife hopping to ride on her wealth but ended up being ditched and you go live under the freeway, why god punish you?


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QUOTE(MrFarmer @ Sep 4 2011, 11:18 AM)
So Dreamer101, long story short, care to share with us which bank to go for?  notworthy.gif  Thank you in advance.
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QUOTE(dafreak @ Sep 4 2011, 12:02 PM)
like he will share it to you or anyone, he will ask you to go do your own research/study

until now his personal "stories" are so general, open thread and ask people to dig up his old posts of >10k to find his stories
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dafreak,

You are getting VERY CLOSE to my ignored list. And, you are BLIND!!!

What bank stock did I used as an example??

And, a simple search on the finance forum will had shown which bank stock that I picked and why.

Change your MENTALITY or you will suffer because of IT for the rest of your life.

WHY people must spoon feed you everything??

MrFarmer,

I had told you.. But, you will have to search and find out my reason for buying.

You cannot buy my confidence on this counter. You have to do your own thinking to see whether it makes sense.

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QUOTE(dreamer101 @ Sep 4 2011, 07:15 PM)
dafreak,

You are getting VERY CLOSE to my ignored list.  And, you are BLIND!!!

What bank stock did I used as an example??

And, a simple search on the finance forum will had shown which bank stock that I picked and why.

Change your MENTALITY or you will suffer because of IT for the rest of your life.

WHY people must spoon feed you everything??

MrFarmer,

I had told you..  But, you will have to search and find out my reason for buying.

You cannot buy my confidence on this counter.  You have to do your own thinking to see whether it makes sense.

Dreamer
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I dont see WHY you need to go as far as to INSULT me and others

Have I insulted you in any way? If yes, I'm really sorry for being blunt as I'm only stating the facts

Are you LIKE this in real life? if yes tell me HOW does this kind of attitude of yours get you to become "RICH"?

What's the purpose of you opening this thread anyway? to show off how "rich" you are? To force your teachings onto people? or to guide/advice people like me who have yet to enter the working environment or those who want to improve themselves?

It's not like I'm asking you to spoonfeed nor do I owe you anything plus you DO NOT listen/respect to other people's opinions shooting them down saying that they are WRONG and you and only you are RIGHT
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post Sep 4 2011, 08:37 PM

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QUOTE(dafreak @ Sep 4 2011, 08:16 PM)

I dont see WHY you need to go as far as to INSULT me and others


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dafreak,

Are you or are you not BLIND??

I am just stating a SIMPLE FACT.

Did I or I did not use a particular bank stock as my example??

Yes or no.

Dreamer

Folks,

Why does THIS INCIDENT matters??

No, my intention was not to be NASTY toward somebody in the cyber world.

Why dafreak does not notice this?? And, many people will miss this too?? This is a VERY COMMON PROBLEM.

The answer is VERY SIMPLE.

He does not notice this because he ASSUME that I will not tell him. Hence, he did not look. If you BELIEVE that something does not exist, you will not look. Hence, you will not find it even it is RIGHT in front of you.

Your MENTALITY and ATTITUDE is stopping YOU for seeing things.

"Can Whine" aka "Cannot Do" folks ASSUME that solution and improvement is not possible. Hence, they cannot see the OPPORTUNITY even it is RIGHT in front of them.

"Can Do" people do not have that assumption. Hence, they can SEE.

In order to improve, we have to take away our BLINDER.

Dreamer




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post Sep 4 2011, 11:04 PM

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>> Who told you going good will result in getting rich? God?

◘ No one. It's a given that if you understand the market, and supply a demand at a reasonable price with a capable staff, you'll turn a profit. Keep doing that = rich. As we've said, there are not guarantees in life, so please stop trying act as if the exception disproves the rule. If you fail once, get up and try again. As long as you're in tune with the market, kind to others, and keep trying, eventually you're likely to succeed.

>> If so, I should be rich by now

◘ Huh??? You mean, you tried really really hard and you're not rich already???

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>> every now and then innocent young girls got rape, rich people got murdered, why god punish them?

◘ I feel like I'm teaching a high school class.

God did not punish them. Bad things happen in life, and it has nothing to do with God. Sometimes you bump into a messed up psychotic *******. It happens.

>> you marry a rich wife hopping to ride on her wealth but ended up being ditched and you go live under the freeway, why god punish you?

◘ No one punished me. I made a bad decision. I got a bad result. I'm over it and moved on. I dont go on and on and on AND ON talking about it and bringing it up in nearly every post and treating it like it's the reason my life can never be the same. I'm in a mess now because of my own fault, not because of any God, but things will get better if I keep trying. For me, God doesn't enter the picture.

Again, The Map is Not The Territory. Another person might say God was involved somehow, but how you interpret reality is your own business. That we agree on what the reality actually is right now, and what can be done about it, is more important.

And for the record, she wasn't rich. She was pretty below average, it was just a roof and food every day.
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QUOTE(Kasey Brown @ Sep 4 2011, 11:04 PM)
>> Who told you going good will result in getting rich? God?

◘ No one.  It's a given that if you understand the market, and supply a demand at a reasonable price with a capable staff, you'll turn a profit.  Keep doing that = rich.  As we've said, there are not guarantees in life, so please stop trying act as if the exception disproves the rule.  If you fail once, get up and try again.  As long as you're in tune with the market, kind to others, and keep trying, eventually you're likely to succeed.
Typical optimistic behavior, since you practice those, how come you got ditched by your Asian wife?
>> If so, I should be rich by now

◘ Huh???  You mean, you tried really really hard and you're not rich already???
You are still young, don't be so sure you understand what you know, I once thought like you.

>> every now and then innocent young girls got rape, rich people got murdered, why god punish them?

◘ I feel like I'm teaching a high school class.

God did not punish them.  Bad things happen in life, and it has nothing to do with God.  Sometimes you bump into a messed up psychotic *******.  It happens.
Didn't you say believe in god / karma?
>> you marry a rich wife hopping to ride on her wealth but ended up being ditched and you go live under the freeway, why god punish you?

◘ No one punished me.  I made a bad decision.  I got a bad result.  I'm over it and moved on.  I dont go on and on and on AND ON talking about it and bringing it up in nearly every post and treating it like it's the reason my life can never be the same.  I'm in a mess now because of my own fault, not because of any God, but things will get better if I keep trying.  For me, God doesn't enter the picture.

Again, The Map is Not The Territory.  Another person might say God was involved somehow, but how you interpret reality is your own business.  That we agree on what the reality actually is right now, and what can be done about it, is more important.
So what you said earlier about god / karma is just to take dreamer101's side (he is rich)? Isn't that what failed you in your marriage? Now you make different statement, do what dreamer101 says, search my old posts to know what caused the disagreement and who is who you thought you know.
And for the record, she wasn't rich.  She was pretty below average, it was just a roof and food every day.
This is what you get in reality with all the good deeds and a decent mind, the result is not what you hope for, it has nothing to do with how much effort you put in, just call it bad luck.
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I am against false hope and standard motivation rely only on optimism only meant for beginners, do it time and again and eventually will succeed is stupid. I am still not successful is because I repeat the same cycle and in order to break away, is to develop solutions to void the usual obstacle, uncertainty / no luck scenario, those are human factor, other people involved who practice market standard will fail you.
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Well, the main problem in real life is that you cannot hit the "load again" button, when you have failed, made a mistake, or have made the wrong move (like in a computer game); neither can you go back into history to change back something - to change history.

But nevertheless, at present, you can still do something about your "future"! At present, you can still think about what to do about your future; from now!

Your "future" will determine what you do; from now!

You can't go back and change history, but you can do something right now to change your future & make the history you want!

My 2 cents.


Regards.

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QUOTE(Kasey Brown @ Sep 4 2011, 11:04 PM)
◘ No one punished me.  I made a bad decision.  I got a bad result.  I'm over it and moved on.  I dont go on and on and on AND ON talking about it and bringing it up in nearly every post and treating it like it's the reason my life can never be the same.  I'm in a mess now because of my own fault, not because of any God, but things will get better if I keep trying.  For me, God doesn't enter the picture.

Again, The Map is Not The Territory.  Another person might say God was involved somehow, but how you interpret reality is your own business.  That we agree on what the reality actually is right now, and what can be done about it, is more important.

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Hi Kasey, yes, I share your opinion. I practice this too. I'm still trying. Every time I fail, I learned and I'm better equipped on my next try. We can do it.


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QUOTE(Benjamin911 @ Sep 5 2011, 02:53 AM)
Well, the main problem in real life is that you cannot hit the "load again" button, when you have failed, made a mistake, or have made the wrong move (like in a computer game); neither can you go back into history to change back something - to change history.

But nevertheless, at present, you can still do something about your "future"! At present, you can still think about what to do about your future; from now!

Your "future" will determine what you do; from now!

You can't go back and change history, but you can do something right now to change your future & make the history you want!

My 2 cents.
Regards.
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Yes, agreed
At present, we can think about our your future; convert our though to tangible action, now. Our future is determined by what we do now.


Added on September 5, 2011, 8:51 am
QUOTE(dreamer101 @ Sep 4 2011, 07:15 PM)

MrFarmer,

I had told you..  But, you will have to search and find out my reason for buying.

You cannot buy my confidence on this counter.  You have to do your own thinking to see whether it makes sense.

Dreamer
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Thank you, Dreamer101. Did some search, am reading. It'll take me a while to digest as I'm not investment savvy.

Guys, Think Positive. Ask and you shall be given.

This post has been edited by MrFarmer: Sep 5 2011, 08:51 AM
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QUOTE(Benjamin911 @ Sep 5 2011, 02:53 AM)
Well, the main problem in real life is that you cannot hit the "load again" button, when you have failed, made a mistake, or have made the wrong move (like in a computer game); neither can you go back into history to change back something - to change history.

But nevertheless, at present, you can still do something about your "future"! At present, you can still think about what to do about your future; from now!

Your "future" will determine what you do; from now!

You can't go back and change history, but you can do something right now to change your future & make the history you want!

My 2 cents.
Regards.
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QUOTE(MrFarmer @ Sep 5 2011, 08:37 AM)

Yes, agreed
At present, we can think about our your future; convert our though to tangible action, now. Our future is determined by what we do now.
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Folks,

This is assuming that you have the "Can Do" attitude.

Many people has the "Can Whine" attitude. They are TOO BUSY whining about what they CANNOT DO. Hence, they NEVER have the time and energy to find out what they "Can Do" to begin with.

WHY do people CHOOSE whining instead of doing??

WHY do they ASSUME that they have NO CHOICE??

Or, is it TOO HARD and PAINFUL to take responsibility of your own life?? Much easier to blame it on someone or something else?? Unfortunately, blaming and whining will not help a person to improve their circumstances...

Average people are not rich. Rich people are not average.

Our mentality and attitude determine what we CHOOSE to see and do. By extension, our future.

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QUOTE(MrFarmer @ Sep 5 2011, 08:37 AM)
Hi Kasey, yes, I share your opinion. I practice this too. I'm still trying. Every time I fail, I learned and I'm better equipped on my next try. We can do it.


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Yes, agreed
At present, we can think about our your future; convert our though to tangible action, now. Our future is determined by what we do now.


Added on September 5, 2011, 8:51 am
Thank you, Dreamer101. Did some search, am reading. It'll take me a while to digest as I'm not investment savvy.

Guys, Think Positive. Ask and you shall be given.
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Yes, when you reached the point of no return, the usual practice is think positive because a slight pessimistic may plunge into depression, rely on faith to pull through, then do it again and thought you have learnt your lesson, more failure will make you somewhat smarter or resilient, it is a method to fool yourself with hope, a temporary false sense of security just so you can move on, if you are dealing with plant where the result is in your hands, no one will sabotage your effort nor disagree with you.

Human behavior is the ailing factor, the kind of drama unfold everyday and abuse of power, butt kissing and all the drama you see on TV, its never ending and people love to watch and make stories.

Such motivating method and attitude problem happen in every living cycle, some people made it some are prevented from succeeding. All you talk about is repeats, waste time on standard approach, its for the average people.


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QUOTE(dafreak @ Sep 3 2011, 11:35 PM)
This just shows POOR financial planning

"Level 2 thinking" as you call it, is just too absurd/farfetched/impractical

OWN the bank? If everyone were to be able to have this thinking imagine how many Tom d*** & Harry OWNs a bank? shakehead.gif
i dont see why you have to attack 3dassets personally. IMO those questions are valid regardless whether he went through them before or not
Firstly, take a look at the post posted before you and see who's the culprit in launching personal attack. Yes, what's wrong being said "owning" the bank. It's a saying and when it comes to saying, an educated person doesn't take a word for a word.

QUOTE(3dassets @ Sep 4 2011, 01:48 AM)
How to reach those people lah? Those fella why want to share? dreamer101 is here mah. But did he mention how much he is worth? If not rich enough then never mind, no better than I try on my own otherwise ended up talking cock when old. (like him) laugh.gif
There you go...again.

QUOTE(Kasey Brown @ Sep 4 2011, 04:15 AM)
>> Is it ABSURD and FAR FETCHED that a person own the bank??

◘ I think the point's easy to understand.  When you buy stock in a company, you're buying a "part" of that company.  Though you dont rule over the entire company like it belongs only to you.

As far as starting a bank of your own, that's theoretically possible, but free market competition generally keeps competitors out.  Basically, if you want to start a bank and succeed, you have to do BETTER than the banks that are already there.  The companies that do best survive because those are the places customers give their money to.  Shorter waiting lines, less fine print, and better service mean I'm likely to come back to you rather than someone else.

It's not far fetched.  Certainly not impossible.  But you'd have to know what you're doing, and have a serious passion for it.  Just like with anything else.
I do agree that it is fairly easily understood when it comes to when dreamer101 said something about "owning" the bank. It's just that their mind is like playing a 2D game. They ruled out teh possibility of gaming in 3D. Perhaps narrow in perception of the word "owning" in a saying?

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Defination of OWN:

MerriamWebster: belonging to oneself or itself —usually used following a possessive case or possessive adjective
Investorwords.com: Having legal right to a property.

so how does buying a small amount company's shares/stock make you OWN it?
You are taking it as it is. Think out of the box. When you are heading toward a dead-end, what would you do? Going forward or go astern and find another route? Your pick.

QUOTE(dreamer101 @ Sep 4 2011, 07:15 PM)
dafreak,

You are getting VERY CLOSE to my ignored list.  And, you are BLIND!!!

What bank stock did I used as an example??

WHY people must spoon feed you everything??

Dreamer
I'm not sure if he misses out where you did write the bank out. People are expected to be spoon-fed these days and it is really pain in the neck!

Regards, Joey
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QUOTE(Joey Christensen @ Sep 5 2011, 06:42 PM)
Firstly, take a look at the post posted before you and see who's the culprit in launching personal attack. Yes, what's wrong being said "owning" the bank. It's a saying and when it comes to saying, an educated person doesn't take a word for a word.
There you go...again.
I do agree that it is fairly easily understood when it comes to when dreamer101 said something about "owning" the bank. It's just that their mind is like playing a 2D game. They ruled out teh possibility of gaming in 3D. Perhaps narrow in perception of the word "owning" in a saying?
You are taking it as it is. Think out of the box. When you are heading toward a dead-end, what would you do? Going forward or go astern and find another route? Your pick.
I'm not sure if he misses out where you did write the bank out. People are expected to be spoon-fed these days and it is really pain in the neck!

Regards, Joey
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It seems he's the only one who cant see it.So, he must be an above average person. And sticking to the thread, must be damn filthy rich already tongue.gif.
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Young people usually prefer to make mistake before they take any advise, that is why these kind of talk won't be taken seriously. Some will fail and others may not, they rather spend their time enjoy or relax after work, some will work OT to impress the boss, others may attend part time course and some do nothing and chat at kopitiam here.

This kind of motivation talk is boring and never offer what they want to hear, like they haven't heard enough in school. Just because you feel compel to help, does not mean people will appreciate.
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QUOTE(3dassets @ Sep 5 2011, 06:59 PM)
Young people usually prefer to make mistake before they take any advise, that is why these kind of talk won't be taken seriously. Some will fail and others may not, they rather spend their time enjoy or relax after work, some will work OT to impress the boss, others may attend part time course and some do nothing and chat at kopitiam here.

This kind of motivation talk is boring and never offer what they want to hear, like they haven't heard enough in school. Just because you feel compel to help, does not mean people will appreciate.
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Not really so..., it is just that they are only reading "it" now; but the "experience factor" is not there yet... (They are still yet to experience "it".)

Regards.
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Folks,

A lot of people said that if they are LUCKY, then, they can be successful.

Is that TRUE??

Let's that the MOST EXTREME example, lottery winner. Literally, you got SOMETHING for MINIMAL EFFORT. You got LUCKY.

http://www.smartmoney.com/invest/stocks/wh...-1301002181742/

But, even in that case, people went bankrupt if they have NO FINANCIAL LITERACY to handle it. They were not prepared. Even in that case, it takes EFFORT to keep what you won.

It is THE SAME in jobs and career area.

1) You need the "Can Do" attitude to look for opportunity. If you NEVER seek, how can you find ANYTHING??

2) You need the "Can Do" attitude to prepare yourself for a NEW and BETTER position. Or else, how can you grab the opportunity??

3) You need the COURAGE to change if things do not work out in your current career and environment.

Is being LUCKY good enough?? If you are NOT prepared, even GOOD LUCK cannot help you.

Dreamer

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