Thanks I think it's a matter or vertical growth or lateral expansion. People have been successful with both approaches. I'm not so certain one is better than the other. But yes, you are right about doing things other people won't. But that means going the extra step, not to be interpreted as doing the unnecessary.

BTW, I'm just hypothesizing so please take no offense But I wonder if there are people out there similar to Dreamer in principle, effort, belief, etc but are not successful and thus go unnoticed. Sure Dreamer may be one out of many that follows the same model but that would mean following that model itself does not guarantee success.

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Added on August 18, 2011, 10:23 amAh well tiger beat me to it

This post has been edited by Xerone: Aug 18 2011, 10:23 AM

Fortuna est quae fit cum praeparatio in occasionem incidit.
Luck is what happens when preparation meets opportunity. Seneca quotes

edited the correct one is this..

"La fortuna non esiste: esiste il momento in cui il talento incontra l'occasione."
(Luck doesn't exist. There is only the moment when talent meets opportunity.)

This post has been edited by ivanswk: Aug 18 2011, 10:28 AM

im quite agree with u TS..and my thinking are just like u...

i will be grade soon..my job is already secure and currently im trap in the comfort zone..actually,,my aim is always to think above the AVERAGE people did..but,, now,,im afraid to take the risk..

what should i do?

This post has been edited by k3nji: Aug 18 2011, 10:27 AM

Even you have the best model which may lead you to successful, but you still have to constantly stay alert and do necessary adjustment or changes in your model over time. Else, it may lead you to the heaven and can bring you down to the hell as well.

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Added on August 18, 2011, 10:30 amFor a normal people, they say you will remain in your comfort zone, for abnormal people, they say you should resign and look at better opportunity and take the risk. If successful, the newspapers and reporters will glorify what bold approaches you have taken in your successful life and we will you, if dead, may be only your family members remember you.

This post has been edited by Tigerr: Aug 18 2011, 10:30 AM

Folks,

It is VERY SIMPLE...

There is NO GUARANTEE in life. YOU have a CHOICE.

A) Do whatever you can to be successful.

B) Do nothing.

You could FAIL either cases. But, people with (A) has NO REGRET in their lives. They can HONESTLY tell themselves that they had done their best. They DO NOT have to ask "What If" when they are old.

My mother tell me that

"Even if gold fell from the sky, you still have to catch faster than everyone else to get it".

<<Dreamer, for every successful man out there, there could be hundreds of unsuccessful men dead somewhere which is un-noticed. >>

People KNOW how to fail on their own. They do not need to learn from me.

<< If not, Mr. Bill Gates is nobody or are there thousands and thousands of people which are far more successful than him. >>

You ASKED the WRONG QUESTION!! The CORRECT QUESTION is what is SUCCESS??

There are at least thousands or a lot more people that are at least as successful as Bill Gates or more.

Dreamer

http://www.highbeam.com/doc/1P2-10414451.html

<< Article: Pak Dollah, the last great tok dalang, dies

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KUALA LUMPUR: He was a master of light and shadow - the last of the great

Tok Dalangs - and now he's gone.

At 3pm yesterday, Pak Dollah Baju Merah died at Kota Baru Hospital of

complications from asthma. The 67-year-old was admitted the night before

after an asthma attack. He suffered a stroke last year.

"He was a genius. There are no more people like him," said Eddin Khoo,

researcher and freelance writer who had been a student of Pak Dollah.

Pak Dollah Baju Merah was born in Kelantan on Dec 24, 1937, as Abdullah

Ibrahim. He started performing wayang kulit when he was 13.

The man became a famous Tok Dalang (shadow player) in … >>

To Pak Dollah Baju Merah, Wayang Kulit is his ONE. And, he live accordingly to his ONE... He spent 54 years aka his whole life on this...>>


Folks,

How can YOU say that this person is NOT a successful person?? He spent his WHOLE LIFE on doing things that he LOVES. How many people can say this about their lives??

Dreamer

The way you put it sounds more like a "think positively" way to encourage or motivate/inspire people. There are plenty of such books or talks out there in the market. Out of 10, may be 2 is all the time motivated themselves and hence they might be the successful one out there, out of 3 may be can be motivated by his peers, motivators, unspiration talks, opportunities falls on them and they could be part of the successful people out there as well and there are 5 out of there which will resist changes no matter what, even when you show them there are gold in front of them, they will tell you go and help them pick the gold and bring back to them.

Sometimes, when one advise people to change, be bold, be creative or take iniative to be different, when failed, it is not that they will say no regret in their live, more likely they will curse the MxxxxxFxxxxx who tell them the road to Holland. It backfires sometime.

In all words, work hard and work smart is the most fundalmental way to achieve success.

Agreed. There is no guarantee. But I believe the message here is to let us know we must go the extra mile to stay ahead of the game. This is common sense but a reminder from a third party is still valuable. Though I think the question whether we should stick to what we are good at or not isn't the best build-up to that message. Again, vertical growth and lateral expansion both works.

Dont know who is this Pak Dollah and dont really know what he had achieved by playing Wayang Kulit, thus, no comment on whether he is successful or not. Even Mahathir has been so glorified and respected once before he stepped down. But now, many of the people are so with him and dont know how you describe him as whether successful or not. To gather wealth for the family, yes, definately, he is successful.

Also, Taiwan Ex-President, he had gone though his political life to become a President and now had been put into a jailed. How would you describe he is whether a success or not and at certain stage of his life is success or what?

too summarise it, dun get caught and dun step down

Um please don't use obituaries as source of unbiased review. Retrospective post mortem comments are always designed to dramaticize the life and death of a person. It's hard to separate drama from fact, if there's any.

To me, as long as you dont get caught is successful already...

Ok, so when there are forumers post up they have tried their best etc but still fail, then you never tell them "at least you have done your best to pursue, it's ok", instead, you will be the first one to scold them "stupid", know only how to whine, lazy to work harder, aim for comfort zone, unlike 70s etc etc etc.

You are giving contradicting statements here.

So, you wanna continue the "Unteachable Gen-Y" session here?

But, even yes, please do it in a friendly way and constructive manner.

debbieyss,

I guess YOU are talking about YOURSELF...

YOU are UNTEACHABLE!!!! YOU know EVERYTHING. End of discussion..

Stop wasting time and energy on my thread.

Dreamer

I have always put it in a friendly way and constructive manner, at least i never scold people stupid.

It's just that to people like dreamer, constructive manner is not the way to convince him. One must have real life experience to prove him and, to let him know the real life experience of someone, dreamer must know them in person.

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Added on August 18, 2011, 11:13 amIf you don't want to waste your time, then please don't reply my thread.
You can choose:
1) Reply
2) Do not reply

No one force you to reply my posts. You have the CHOICE.

And, wheter i am teachable or not is not important to you, i know how successful i am now, my friends know how successful i am, my parents can retired with my monthly income, that's enough.

This post has been edited by debbieyss: Aug 18 2011, 11:13 AM

See....that's what i say not friendly manner. It is like you are challenging him. Dreamer has lots more experience than you (although i dont know him personally) and you are young without concrete prove of success, so, why not lie low, and respect the seniors. Perhaps, they can put $$$ in your pocket which you may not know. Cheers and Cool..

debbieyss,

LOL.

We ALL KNOW how successful you are.... And, WE know your opinion of YOURSELF.

Dreamer

This is getting off topic but Dreamer's style of educating can be described through push vs pull. He's aggressive and thus represents the push style. Certain audiences are not receptive to pushers since the natural reaction is for the audience to be defensive when they are shocked into believing all they have done so far is wrong. I'm more of a proponent of pull because I rather be liked and is not good with confrontations. Again two sides of a coin. Dreamer is smart but cold at time. I'm pretty sure he knows this well. But he does solicit a great number of responses whether positive or bad.

how "successful"?