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Darkmage12
post May 31 2006, 04:46 PM

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QUOTE(jojoko1982 @ May 31 2006, 03:44 PM)
so after all.. wat kind of investment is recommended for limited modal?
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post May 31 2006, 04:53 PM

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QUOTE(Darkmage12 @ May 31 2006, 04:46 PM)
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wah can die one leh tongue.gif having the impression of "dun need to spend money to buy/sell stocks" is dangerous, for me lah at least
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post May 31 2006, 04:59 PM

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QUOTE(Darkmage12 @ May 31 2006, 04:46 PM)
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what if contra loss?

run away? lol

ugh..bloody CI,was dropping almost 10 points in the morning and afternoon.Then all of a sudden shot back up making dropping 2 points only lol

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Darkmage12
post May 31 2006, 05:29 PM

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QUOTE(LanEvo7 @ May 31 2006, 04:53 PM)
wah can die one leh tongue.gif having the impression of "dun need to spend money to buy/sell stocks" is dangerous, for me lah at least
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i love to do contra trading brows.gif

QUOTE(mobiusone @ May 31 2006, 04:59 PM)
what if contra loss?

run away? lol

ugh..bloody CI,was dropping almost 10 points in the morning and afternoon.Then all of a sudden shot back up making dropping 2 points only lol
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where need to run 1 just pay up lo.... btw never done a contra loss before
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post May 31 2006, 05:56 PM

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At the end of the day, it's still a DOWN day for KLCI.
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post May 31 2006, 06:17 PM

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QUOTE(Darkmage12 @ May 31 2006, 04:46 PM)
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QUOTE(LanEvo7 @ May 31 2006, 04:53 PM)
wah can die one leh tongue.gif having the impression of "dun need to spend money to buy/sell stocks" is dangerous, for me lah at least
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WTH is contra trading and contra loss?
PhibeRoptiC
post May 31 2006, 06:18 PM

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i want to ask something.... is it relevent to use S&P 500 index here at KLSE? is there any connection between S&P 500 and KLCI? one more thing about this phrase what is it mean? can someone elaborate it for me
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post May 31 2006, 06:25 PM

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QUOTE(jojoko1982 @ May 31 2006, 06:17 PM)
WTH is contra trading and contra loss?
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Contra trading is buying stocks but selling it before the day u have to pay for the stocks. No monetary transaction involved in Contra trading except for the profit ppl pay u and the loss u pay ppl at the T+3 day.

In Contra trading, if u can sell the stocks with a higher price than ur buying price, then u dun need to pay anything, u'll just be paid the profit, and the otherway around for the loss

So, the risky part is when greed steps in.. co's it's giving false image that no upfront money is involved, u can buy like .. a lot more stocks (more than u can actually afford with ur available cash) and sell them at higher price and make bucks, but also could lose so much that u cannot afford to pay back the loss.

pls correct me if I'm wrong

p/s: Darkmage12, not everyone is allowed to do Contra trading right? that's what I heard, is it true? If so what's the condition?

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QUOTE(LanEvo7 @ May 31 2006, 06:25 PM)
Contra trading is buying stocks but selling it before the day u have to pay for the stocks. No monetary transaction involved in Contra trading except for the profit ppl pay u and the loss u pay ppl at the T+3 day.

In Contra trading, if u can sell the stocks with a higher price than ur buying price, then u dun need to pay anything, u'll just be paid the profit, and the otherway around for the loss

So, the risky part is when greed steps in.. co's it's giving false image that no upfront money is involved, u can buy like .. a lot more stocks (more than u can actually afford with ur available cash) and sell them at higher price and make bucks, but also could lose so much that u cannot afford to pay back the loss.

pls correct me if I'm wrong

p/s: Darkmage12, not everyone is allowed to do Contra trading right? that's what I heard, is it true? If so what's the condition?
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issit so? i not sure about that wo....i go find out and see icon_rolleyes.gif

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post May 31 2006, 06:35 PM

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i think everyone can do contra as long its not exceeding T+3 or else they will force selling your stock...but some maybank account(forget which one) even give u T+10 facility with condition la of course
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post May 31 2006, 06:41 PM

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icic

well actually where I heard it from is actually from this webpage, I dunno if u guys have been to it or not

http://www.min.com.my/eng/html/iwshopserieslesson16.html

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One of the most popular trading strategies in the stock market is contra trading. The impression among investors is that in contra trading you can make money without actually spending any of your own. For someone new in the stock market, contra trading is a speculative technique where investors try to take advantage of Bursa Malaysia's T+3 settlement period to quickly buy and sell the same shares with the hope of making a profit. The technique is simple in theory but risky in practice. Contra trading is a trading privilege not given to all investors by stockbroking companies. Since it is a risky business, investors should evaluate carefully before accepting any contra trading offer from their stockbrokers. 
Darkmage12
post May 31 2006, 06:43 PM

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QUOTE(LanEvo7 @ May 31 2006, 06:41 PM)
icic

well actually where I heard it from is actually from this webpage, I dunno if u guys have been to it or not

http://www.min.com.my/eng/html/iwshopserieslesson16.html
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o i know what you mean liao.... if u dun have proof that you got money some broker firm wont allow it.... or if u no job or steady income
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post May 31 2006, 11:11 PM

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QUOTE(Darkmage12 @ May 31 2006, 05:29 PM)
where need to run 1 just pay up lo.... btw never done a contra loss before
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easy to say,i once saw a broker asking a customer to pay his contra loss,its like asking him to sell his house to pay for it.The customer's reaction was furious,raising his voice and stuff,




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post May 31 2006, 11:16 PM

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QUOTE(mobiusone @ May 31 2006, 11:11 PM)
easy to say,i once saw a broker asking a customer to pay his contra loss,its like asking him to sell his house to pay for it.The customer's reaction was furious,raising his voice and stuff,
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haiz that kind of customer sure is a noob trader.... if u dunno how to contra trade pls dun do it cos kena liao sure tiam 1
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QUOTE(Silveru @ May 31 2006, 02:39 PM)
Once again the Dow took a dip erasing its previous days' gains. Massive selling are seen worldwide.

Bourses around Japan, Singapore, Indonesia and India are seen crumbling. As for HK and Korea.... Public Holiday...

Scary... June's futures massive discount.
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I believe the down trend started one day after the Fed meeting to raise interest rate. S&P drop 30point++ in 2 day it was 1326 then now a 1270. I did short some puts but sold early....... doh.gif . You following the overseas market Silveru?

QUOTE(PhibeRoptiC @ May 31 2006, 06:18 PM)
i want to ask something.... is it relevent to use S&P 500 index here at KLSE? is there any connection between S&P 500 and KLCI? one more thing about this phrase what is it mean? can someone elaborate it for me
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I believe the US market will affect KLSE somewhat but about a connection it is beyond me.
The phrase means that fund manager will try their best to outperform the index. E.g if the KLCI did a +3% for 2006, the fund must make a profit of more than 3% in order to beat the index(The 3% usually don't include the charges for the fund).
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QUOTE(Darkmage12 @ May 31 2006, 05:29 PM)
... btw never done a contra loss before
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post Jun 1 2006, 08:23 PM

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QUOTE(whtrader @ Jun 1 2006, 01:57 PM)
I believe the down trend started one day after the Fed meeting to raise interest rate. S&P drop 30point++ in 2 day it was 1326 then now a 1270. I did short some puts but sold early....... doh.gif . You following the overseas market Silveru?
I believe the US market will affect KLSE somewhat but about a connection it is beyond me.
The phrase means that fund manager will try their best to outperform the index. E.g if the KLCI did a +3% for 2006, the fund must make a profit of more than 3% in order to beat the index(The 3% usually don't include the charges for the fund).
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you trading in US market?
many fund manager cabut before the down trend sweat.gif
btw got any good stock to intro?

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QUOTE(LanEvo7 @ May 31 2006, 06:25 PM)
Contra trading is buying stocks but selling it before the day u have to pay for the stocks. No monetary transaction involved in Contra trading except for the profit ppl pay u and the loss u pay ppl at the T+3 day.

In Contra trading, if u can sell the stocks with a higher price than ur buying price, then u dun need to pay anything, u'll just be paid the profit, and the otherway around for the loss

So, the risky part is when greed steps in.. co's it's giving false image that no upfront money is involved, u can buy like .. a lot more stocks (more than u can actually afford with ur available cash) and sell them at higher price and make bucks, but also could lose so much that u cannot afford to pay back the loss.

pls correct me if I'm wrong

p/s: Darkmage12, not everyone is allowed to do Contra trading right? that's what I heard, is it true? If so what's the condition?
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thanks for explaining..~~ rclxms.gif
means depend on ur sixth sense and tembak 1 company's share to buy..
on the same day..once u see the share raise then quick sell it == earn luuuu laugh.gif laugh.gif

btw, wat tis T+3 or T+10??
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post Jun 1 2006, 09:02 PM

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QUOTE(jojoko1982 @ Jun 1 2006, 08:56 PM)
thanks for explaining..~~ rclxms.gif
means depend on ur sixth sense and tembak 1 company's share to buy..
on the same day..once u see the share raise then quick sell it == earn luuuu laugh.gif  laugh.gif

btw, wat tis T+3 or T+10??
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tembak confirm lose money need skill 1....
T+3 means that that day the trade happen + 3 days after it only u pay up while T+10 is after 10 days pay up.... correct me if im wrong smile.gif
so you want to tembak ma?
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QUOTE(Darkmage12 @ Jun 1 2006, 09:02 PM)
tembak confirm lose money need skill 1....
T+3 means that that day the trade happen + 3 days after it only u pay up while T+10 is after 10 days pay up.... correct me if im wrong smile.gif
so you want to tembak ma?
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then mah good lo..got 3 days time for u to wait the stock raise..
once it raise mah fast fast sell it..then can earn lo...wahahhha rclxm9.gif rclxm9.gif


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