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leekk8
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Dec 11 2006, 02:30 PM
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QUOTE(magnum @ Dec 11 2006, 01:21 PM) hi guys, just want to ask, what is the different between the main board and the second board? if i want to start investment, whic board should i go to??? thanks. The capital requirement for company listed is different. If you want to be listed in Main Board, you need more capital. In other words, main board companies are bigger in term of capital. You can read the details of this in www.bursamalaysia.com About which board you should go...normally main board share is more stable and expensive, while second board share is cheaper but company is smaller compared to mainboard, the risk is higher...you have to judge yourself, how much risk you can take and try to study the particular company's profile and financial condition before you invest in it. This post has been edited by leekk8: Dec 11 2006, 02:32 PM
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billytong
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Dec 11 2006, 02:41 PM
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QUOTE(leekk8 @ Dec 11 2006, 02:30 PM) The capital requirement for company listed is different. If you want to be listed in Main Board, you need more capital. In other words, main board companies are bigger in term of capital. You can read the details of this in www.bursamalaysia.com About which board you should go...normally main board share is more stable and expensive, while second board share is cheaper but company is smaller compared to mainboard, the risk is higher...you have to judge yourself, how much risk you can take and try to study the particular company's profile and financial condition before you invest in it. Not really, sometimes some second board company have higher dividend yields, grow faster and etc.
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leekk8
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Dec 11 2006, 11:15 PM
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QUOTE(billytong @ Dec 11 2006, 02:41 PM) Not really, sometimes some second board company have higher dividend yields, grow faster and etc. For sure, there are some second board companies perform well and pay out high dividen...The reason they listed on second board is just because their capital is less, if their management is good, then the company will perform well and earn profit... So, we should study about the companies before we invest...I always believe that not every main board stock is good...and there will be some second board or even Mesdaq companies are good...
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zahri
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Dec 13 2006, 12:00 PM
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has anyone heard of EAINDEX.com ?
I think its something like SwissCAsh ...
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magnum
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Dec 13 2006, 12:43 PM
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what is Mesdaq?
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leekk8
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Dec 13 2006, 02:28 PM
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In KLSE, there are 3 main categories of companies: Main Board, Second Board and Mesdaq... As far I know, the difference is only the capital of the company...if your company has less capital but you wish to public list, then you can choose Mesdaq, where the requirement is lower...
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Darkmage12
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Dec 13 2006, 06:08 PM
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QUOTE(magnum @ Dec 13 2006, 12:43 PM) Mesdaq normally for those company with high growth potential and those tech companies
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gsuave
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Dec 14 2006, 05:18 PM
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Hmm... The Star, had previously ran some editorial regarding to this Swiss Cash scam. The people involved in this scam involves certain VIP. By all means, please invest in Swiss Cash now as the founder/proprietor requires funding to post their bail and subsequent they might need to pay the legal fees as well. Alienware, you are either too ignorant or perhaps, you are one of them. Trying to spread the con by masquerading behind the cloak of innocent and naive forum member. From Bank Negara Website http://www.bnm.gov.my/index.php?ch=8&pg=14&ac=1299Ref No: 09/06/01
Embargo: For immediate release Warning on Swiss Cash or Swiss Mutual Fund
Bank Negara Malaysia and Securities Commission of Malaysia would like to inform members of the public that Swiss Mutual Fund, the company that is promoting the Swiss Cash fund, is not licensed or exempted from licensing by Bank Negara Malaysia to accept deposits nor is it licensed by the Securities Commission to carry out asset management activities or services in Malaysia. Swiss Cash fund promoted by Swiss Mutual Fund has not been approved nor endorsed by the Securities Commission.
Swiss Cash fund is an internet-based investment program promoted by Swiss Mutual Fund, a fund management company claimed to be registered overseas, and the investment opportunities in the fund is offered through the Internet and local agents.
Members of the public should only invest through parties that have been licensed by the authorities. When in doubt, the public should check with Bank Negara Malaysia, the Securities Commission or other relevant authority on the licensing status of the local or foreign company before making any investment.
Members of the public may contact the Securities Commission and Bank Negara Malaysia for enquiries on the fund:
Complaints Department, Securities Commission Tel: 03 6204 8999 Fax: 03 6204 8991 E-mail: aduan@seccom.com.my
Bank Negara Malaysia Tel: 03 2691 0824 / 2692 6482 / 2698 2810 / 2694 2143 Fax: 03 2698 7467 E-mail: info@bnm.gov.my
Bank Negara Malaysia Securities Commission 5 September 2006
Bank Negara Malaysia 5 September 2006From The Star http://thestar.com.my/news/story.asp?file=...0816&sec=nationTwo Datuks held over Internet scam
KUALA LUMPUR: Two Datuks and six others have been placed under remand to help investigations into a get-rich-quick scheme that allegedly promised “huge returns for a minimum investment.”
The Datuks, aged 47 and 57, were produced before a magistrate’s here yesterday together with the others, aged 26 to 58, after their arrest on Monday.
Magistrate Azniza Mohd Ali ordered them to be remanded for five days, until Oct 7.
The police are investigating the case under Section 420 of the Penal Code for cheating.
The alleged scam, known as SwissCash or Swiss Mutual Fund (1948), was uncovered early last month and reported in a Malay tabloid.
Over 50,000 people have purportedly signed up for the scheme since its introduction in April last year.
The Swiss Embassy here has denied that its government had approved the scheme and also rebuffed claims that it was based in Switzerland.
SwissCash, which operates through the Internet, claims to be an “easy, fast and secure scheme.”
It claimed investors’ funds were channelled to business activities ranging from oil exploration to shipping and agriculture in the Caribbean.
Investors are required to pay a registration fee of US$30 (RM110) to join the scheme, which allegedly offers huge returns for a minimum investment of US$100 (RM370).
Those behind the scheme also claimed that investments of US$1,000 (RM3,700) or more could earn a profit of up to 300% after 15 months.
However, after the report appeared in the tabloid, the Securities Commission and Bank Negara released statements saying SwissCash had no licence to collect funds.
Prime Minister Datuk Seri Abdullah Ahmad Badawi also issued a statement calling on those duped by the scam to quickly lodge reports.
Among the scheme’s purported victims are a lawyer, a consultant, a technician and the secretary-general of a government ministry. They claimed they had been cheated of nearly RM20mil. More follow-up by The Star http://thestar.com.my/news/story.asp?file=...3129&sec=nationBe wary of ‘Swiss’ website
By EDDIE CHUA
KUALA LUMPUR: If you have stumbled onto the Swiss Cash or Swiss Mutual Fund website, which is making an aggressive sales campaign here, it is best to be cautious.
The two companies are not Swiss-registered firms.
The Swiss embassy here has warned the public that the two companies have no relation to their country.
“Sometimes, companies use the word 'Swiss' or images of the Swiss flag to associate themselves with the reputation of Swiss companies.”
The statement said the two companies are not subjected to Swiss law and therefore the public should be careful when investing in such funds.
A man, who runs a local website and claimed to have invested US$50,000 (RM189,300) in the fund, told The Star that he had obtained a return of 300% in 15 months.
He said a company that has its headquarters in the Dominican Republic manages the fund.
“The minimum investment is US$100 (RM379) while its maximum is US$100,000 (RM379,000),” he said.
“To invest in the fund, one has to pay US$30 (RM113.60), a one-time registration fee. However, the registration fee must be wired through a bank to the company in the United States.”
He said there would be a 10% return in one to three months.
“It has been so far so good as I get my returns on time,” he said. I also notice that there is this forummer offering HYIP, High Yield Investment Product via his/her Ronnie 2U investmentlink or something like that. Any doubts about his "investment" can be refer to the articles above. Better yet, call Bank Negara Malaysia numbers above. Alternatively, Securities Commission, www.sc.com.my, is another government agency for handling such matter. In fact, any leads that leads to prosecution will be REWARDED.
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billytong
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Dec 14 2006, 06:15 PM
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As expected, it is obviously a scam. But I would like to warn all the members here. If someone approach you for a investment scheme. Please ask for, Company registration No, Address. and check for the track record of the company. Normally an investment firm should get the license from Bank Negara or From oversea Central Bank. OT: Hey I like the X'mas Emoticon! This post has been edited by billytong: Dec 14 2006, 06:16 PM
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weiheng
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Dec 14 2006, 10:44 PM
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hi guys, what do u guys think about REIT in Malaysia? worth to invest?
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cherroy
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Dec 15 2006, 08:50 AM
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Reit generally generated about 6-7% yield but due to infavourable tax structured on the income distribution, it is not that popular here. (local being taxed at 15% while foreigner 20%).
So if a reit yield 6% but after tax left only 5.1% which is only slightly above FD rate, that's why reit is not so attractive here. Overseas like Singapore, the reit income is tax free (for 5 years or something like that,not sure) while others also being taxed at a much lower rate. That's also why most of the reit traded at below IPO offer price due to lack of interest especially from foreign investors.
If gov gave tax exemption on reit, definitely this industry will have much better future.
This post has been edited by cherroy: Dec 15 2006, 08:51 AM
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weiheng
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Dec 15 2006, 09:18 AM
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QUOTE(cherroy @ Dec 15 2006, 08:50 AM) Reit generally generated about 6-7% yield but due to infavourable tax structured on the income distribution, it is not that popular here. (local being taxed at 15% while foreigner 20%). So if a reit yield 6% but after tax left only 5.1% which is only slightly above FD rate, that's why reit is not so attractive here. Overseas like Singapore, the reit income is tax free (for 5 years or something like that,not sure) while others also being taxed at a much lower rate. That's also why most of the reit traded at below IPO offer price due to lack of interest especially from foreign investors. If gov gave tax exemption on reit, definitely this industry will have much better future. hmm.. I read about some economist commend about infavourable tax structure after budget 2007.
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Darkmage12
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Dec 15 2006, 10:40 PM
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QUOTE(weiheng @ Dec 15 2006, 09:18 AM) hmm.. I read about some economist commend about infavourable tax structure after budget 2007. they are lowering it even further.... btw some newer REIT are offering like 8-9% now do check it out
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[PIMPIN]
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Dec 16 2006, 08:28 PM
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which REIT is offering 8-9%? we invested in Hektar at institutional price of RM1.11 which, if all distributable income is paid out, would barely touch 8%.
now that its trading at 1.03-1.04 we're pretty much stuck with it. REITs have a looong way to go but its good that foreign players like CapitaLand are coming in. without asset enhancement, REAL asset enhancement, there isnt much upside
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KVReninem
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Dec 16 2006, 08:41 PM
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QUOTE([PIMPIN] @ Dec 16 2006, 09:28 PM) which REIT is offering 8-9%? we invested in Hektar at institutional price of RM1.11 which, if all distributable income is paid out, would barely touch 8%. now that its trading at 1.03-1.04 we're pretty much stuck with it. REITs have a looong way to go but its good that foreign players like CapitaLand are coming in. without asset enhancement, REAL asset enhancement, there isnt much upside it is good t see foreign player like capitaland come in, at least it build a more challenging market, but i just want to question..how do you consider a reit is good to invest?based on the property it acquired over certain time or, im just looking for your opinion.
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dreamer101
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Dec 17 2006, 12:10 AM
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QUOTE(KVReninem @ Dec 16 2006, 08:41 PM) it is good t see foreign player like capitaland come in, at least it build a more challenging market, but i just want to question..how do you consider a reit is good to invest?based on the property it acquired over certain time or, im just looking for your opinion.  http://www.nareit.com/portfoliomag/default.shtmlGood web site to read about REIT and how to evaluate REIT. Dreamer
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[PIMPIN]
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Dec 17 2006, 12:38 AM
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Different people would have different views on this. Some might prefer pure commercial properties, some like retail, etc. We liked Hektar cause the management is sound and experienced and the changes they have made turned out well. They have implemented step-up rent as well as tying rental to sales.
Also, Subang Parade has 2 acres of land and Mahkota Parade 3 acres which allows for future expansion. The properties aren't dependant on any group of tenants as most contributed abt 2% each to revenue (except Parkson).
As for other REITs locally, we had invested in Axis when it first came up but gave the rest a miss. Went overseas instead.
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mych
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Dec 17 2006, 02:11 AM
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well if you wanna try "virtual trading" You can try google finance it has a portfolio builder http://www.google.com/finance?q=&hl=enWanna know what the experts are buying? http://www.gurufocus.com/
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WinDs
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Dec 19 2006, 12:10 AM
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Hello everyone,
I do have a question here. Well, I would like to know more about Warrant.
For example, when Company A put 'Call Warrant' onto Bursa Saham,
Exercise Price : RM2.00 Issue Price : RM 0.50 Tenure : 8 months Exercise Ratio : 2 CW : 1 Share
So the questions are :-
1. The current A share price at the moment will be lower than RM2 ? A : I assume 'yes'
2. If A share price increase RM0.50, the A-CW will increase RM0.50 too ? A : I assume 'yes'
3. If A share price decrease RM0.60, the A-CW will become no value .. RM 0 ? A : I assume 'yes'
4. I must exercise the CW in the range of 8 months it's been offered to public .. I can either buy the A share price by exercise .. or sell the CW as priced at that moment for A-CW at Bursa Saham ? A : I assume 'yes' but it will be the company A who have to buy your CW and it might need some time for the issuer to process the exercise from CW into share.
5. I need to purchase 2 CW in order to exercise it for 1 share .. how if I only have 1 CW ?
6. Please add any other things i need to know ..
Thanks all for information. It will be an useful learning curves for myself and anyone else interested. Thank you !!
This post has been edited by WinDs: Dec 19 2006, 12:11 AM
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lklatmy
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Dec 19 2006, 11:59 AM
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Exercise Price : RM2.00 Issue Price : RM 0.50 Tenure : 8 months Exercise Ratio : 2 CW : 1 Share So the questions are :- 1. The current A share price at the moment will be lower than RM2 ? A : I assume 'yes' Not necessarily,the current price can be at,below or above the strike/exercise price2. If A share price increase RM0.50, the A-CW will increase RM0.50 too ? A : I assume 'yes' Not necessarily,this relationship is known as Delta,Delta can be 1,>1 or<1.That is,the movements may not be in unison.3. If A share price decrease RM0.60, the A-CW will become no value .. RM 0 ? A : I assume 'yes' Theroticaly yes,but in practice,there may still be time value left.So,the CW may be trading at 1 sen.4. I must exercise the CW in the range of 8 months it's been offered to public .. I can either buy the A share price by exercise .. or sell the CW as priced at that moment for A-CW at Bursa Saham ? A : I assume 'yes' but it will be the company A who have to buy your CW and it might need some time for the issuer to process the exercise from CW into share. Since the tenure is 8 months,you either sell it back in the open market within the 8 months,or you exercise it at the strike price before or at expiry.If the CW is cash settled CW,then you will only receive the cash equivalent . 5. I need to purchase 2 CW in order to exercise it for 1 share .. how if I only have 1 CW ? If you only have 1 CW,then when you exercise,you'll get half share only.If you have 1,000 CW,then on exercising,you will get 500 shares only.6. Please add any other things i need to know .. You should take note that most recently issued CWs are cash settled ,ie,when you request for settlement,the issuer will compare the settlement price against the strike price and pay you the difference in cash.You cannot ask for the underlying mother share.
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