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leekk8
post Aug 18 2006, 06:38 PM

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CIMB is Commerce International Merchant Bank. Normally we won't put money in this kind of bank, I think. But really no idea on IIRC and BCHB.

Anyway, putting money in FD is not an investment. If really want to invest, first step is to learn about mutual fund/unit trust.
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post Aug 22 2006, 04:45 PM

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Mutual fund is a mid-long term investment. Since the service charge of most fund is around 5-6%, normally funds need to take 3 years to gain returns. In fact, many funds perform poorly, however, there're some give you return much higher than FD.

Ya, there're index fund in Msia, which performance is following the KLCI.
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post Aug 22 2006, 04:51 PM

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QUOTE(kubrick16 @ Aug 21 2006, 04:15 PM)
hi to all gurus,

just wondering what investment can i start to make/study/analyse now as i m going to graduate soon.

of course i will get a job later but i want to invest on something at the same time to gain extra side income  tongue.gif

thanx in advance.
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Hi,

It's better you understand about financial planning. Set your financial target, then come out some plans to achieve your target.

First, you can save up some money in FD, for emergency usage. This amount depends on your expenditure. It's advisable you save an amount equal to your three month expenditure, thus, even you are jobless for 3 months, you still can survive.
After that, plan some investment strategies, start with mutual funds, insurances then stock market. Mutual funds are easy to understand, it's low risk, also low returns, if compared to stock. Then you can go for stock trading in KLSE.

Good Luck.
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post Aug 22 2006, 04:58 PM

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lowyat82,

In fact, I've purchased KLCI index fund, and it gives me return. I can't give any comments on the performance, but I can clarify few things here.
Index funds normally didn't have distribution. Maybe once few years.
The price trend is same as KLCI, as it invests in all composite shares.

If you want to purchase, consider the KLCI now. The KLCI now is quite high...it's not really a wise decision if you purchase now. Bear in mind, you have to consider the service charges.
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post Aug 23 2006, 11:17 AM

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QUOTE(dreamer101 @ Aug 23 2006, 10:19 AM)
Cherroy,

1) You are saying Global fund unit trust might be good for diversification.

2) Local fund unit trust is good if you are ignorant about local stock market.

FD start to look very good.. You lose nothing in commission and you gain 3.88% every year.

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For sure, global fund is good for risk diversification. Bear in mind...you should evaluate your financial status before you do any investment plan. Clarify your financial goals as well.

Save money in FD, if you can't take risk and you know nothing about mutual fund and stock market.

Invest in Mutual fund, if you can take low risk and you're clear about the operation of the mutual fund, eg. how the fund manager invest, how much is the service charge, etc.

Invest in stock market, if you can take high risk and you know much about stock market. Just to remind, don't think to earn fast cash in stock market. Investment in stock market should be mid-long term investment, not short term, which is more like gambling.

So, after getting know about yourself and your goal, you have to choose the most suitable investment mode. LOW RISK, LOW RETURN. HIGH RISK, HIGH RETURN. THIS IS ALWAYS TRUE!!!
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post Aug 23 2006, 02:34 PM

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QUOTE(dreamer101 @ Aug 23 2006, 11:23 AM)
Leekk8,

So, how do you classify the one blue chip bank stock that pay 6% dividend?? High risk or low risk compare to unit trust?

<<LOW RISK, LOW RETURN. HIGH RISK, HIGH RETURN. THIS IS ALWAYS TRUE!!!>>

Not really.  If you are NOT smart about how to do your investment, you can get high risk and low return at the same time.

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Dreamer,

Typically, that's true. Everything is fair in this world...How much you gain is how much effort you put.

If you study about investment and know very well on it, sure you can reduce the risk by maintaining the return.

If you know nothing about investment, just choose stock like gambling, then the risk is high while return is low.

Blue chip is considered low risk investment...It won't give you more than 20% return I guess...The risk is when the economy of Msia went down like 97. Sure UT is lower in risk, as you won't loss that much if economy went down, compared to blue chip...
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post Aug 23 2006, 03:56 PM

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I'm not too sure how is the RM performance now. You may need to do some research on this.

For index fund, the manager will invest in the index stock only. For S&P500, ya, he will invest in 500 stocks only. Since the index is depending on the 500 stock prices, your fund price also will follow that.
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post Aug 24 2006, 10:49 AM

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I agree with Hotlink.

Switching is a way to manage our portfolio and optimize our return in UT. If the service charge of 2 funds is same, there's no any charge when switching. This is the case for most fund houses. It's a good way to manage our portfolio that we switch to bond funds when market is going low, and switch back to equity funds when the market is going high.

For sure, blue chips have lower risk...but most of the blue chips price is high...not everyone is afford to buy blue chips. In fact, there're many people buying small share and thinking want to earn fast cash. In this case, the risk is very high.

I just feel that, if you know nothing about share, better don't get involved. If you not clear about the UT process, please just save your money in FD.

Anyway, I think that dreamer101 is very good in share market...so maybe you can share with us, how to choose a good stock to buy...
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post Aug 24 2006, 11:06 AM

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Dreamer101,

I agree with you that we do not need to bother the price if we get a constant dividend from the stock.

Anyway, does anyone can guarantee that the stock will distribute dividend all the time? Dividend is not a must thing for common stock holder...it's not like bonds' interest.

The important thing is, study the financial situation of the company, no company will give dividend if their business is not good...
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post Aug 24 2006, 11:35 AM

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Dreamer,

I think it's important we study about the company before we buy the share. We have to study the financial statement and their management as well. As I say, there's no fast cash we can earn in stock market. How much we earn depends on how much effort we put.

Try to study the market trends and financial situation of the company, then we will know which company is strong in finance and can give us returns although the market is going low. By study the market trend, we can even manage to get more returns by buy low sell high.

We all are learning together now...
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post Aug 24 2006, 05:47 PM

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QUOTE(ky_khor @ Aug 24 2006, 04:35 PM)
read books/internet about financial planning. Learn budgeting, control ur expenses, clear the debts (especially credit cards) before u learn to invest.

when u saved enought emergency cash with u. start with FD. then take 1 step ahead, live with the alienate financial terms, throw ur money into the med/high risk investment, (not too much) and start losing money. XD

losers are the one who run away after losing some money. winners are the one study from the loss and earn them back.

*yeah currently i'm in the "losing money" stage now. XD
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Ya, you should start with financial planning. Set your goal, save up an amount for emergency use. Then, you can plan any investment that suit the risk that you can take and can achieve your goal.
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post Aug 24 2006, 05:54 PM

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QUOTE(hotlink @ Aug 24 2006, 05:28 PM)
Are u sure, if u buy at rm 6 for a share and divident at 6 % is rm 0.36 per share???

As i know even u buy rm 10 for a share, if divident is 6 % , u will only get 6% of the rm 1000. mean rm 60. and need to minus 28% of the rm 60 for income tax, if the dividend is not free of tax.

Correct me if i am wrong.
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I think dreamer is right. If you get dividend of 6% from a RM6 share, you will get RM0.36 per share. This is same as your calculation, you get RM0.60 per share if the share price is RM10. The key thing here is, how many shares you're saying about. If your share price is RM10, I think one lot cost you RM10000, so you will get RM600 dividend. I'm not too sure about the tax, but 28% is the company tax rate.
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post Aug 25 2006, 12:05 PM

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QUOTE(dreamer101 @ Aug 24 2006, 07:53 PM)
Leekk8,

I agreed with you about studying the company.  But, in the case of UT, it is even harder than buying a single company's stock.

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Ya, for UT, you can't decide which share to invest in. UT is for the people who don't know about this and have no time to study all these things. So, the fund manager will do it for you. If you have time and put effort to study it, you should direct invest in share market.

Anyway, it's good that there's bond funds, where we can invest in bonds. Besides UT, I really have no idea how we can buy bonds directly. Maybe dreamer can give me some idea???
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post Aug 27 2006, 10:57 PM

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QUOTE(dreamer101 @ Aug 25 2006, 08:00 PM)
I have never in my life buy bond directly.  So, I cannot help you.  I use a US bond fund.

Dreamer

P.S.: Why would you buy a bond when you can buy a bank stock with dividend yield of 6%?  The yield is as high as the bond plus you have the possibility of  capital appreciation
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Maybe I'm conservative. I wish to diversify my portfolio to UT, bond and share. I believe even established bank stock also cant guarantee there's dividend every year. Anyway, I agree with you that buying a bank stock is good and high in return.
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QUOTE(jassshan @ Aug 27 2006, 07:47 PM)
we invest cause we want to earn more money....i got a investment scheme that earn money back within 3 months..u may add me on jassshan@hotmail.com or call/sms me at 016-9709917...its proven that a lot youngster invest and drive big car such as honda  city,vios,and many more....money is for us to earn...i love to share with u all...hope we can earn money together...
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What investment scheme is that? Can get back money within 3 months and can drive vios? Then why not you share your scheme here?
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QUOTE(Blizz-imperialx @ Aug 28 2006, 10:53 AM)
I'm doing forex for those who interested in investing it. If you open an acc. which needs at least USD5,000, you can earn back within 3-5 months. Depends on the market ler... Interested? Pm me lor, coz i'm not always free to online... WAtching the market time to time.
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USD5000 is almost RM20k....If can earn back in 3 months, then your return is RM7k per month. I think you can get retired soon.

This post has been edited by leekk8: Aug 28 2006, 12:20 PM
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post Aug 28 2006, 12:40 PM

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Does anyone know where I can get free online stock exchange game? I wish to play with this, but have no idea which website got it.
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QUOTE(whtrader @ Aug 28 2006, 03:28 PM)
Local or overseas?
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Preferable is local...
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QUOTE(Blizz-imperialx @ Aug 28 2006, 04:54 PM)
Ya, the forex investment can get around USD 500 - 600 per week, that only invovle trading 5 days per week. I can intro you, if you are interested to the company and help you trade during daytime, and by night time you can trade yourself.
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Huh...almost RM2000 per week...I think this is the income for a GM...I believe you also can loss USD 500-600 per week, right?

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post Aug 29 2006, 11:32 AM

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We appreciate it if blizz can share with us about the forex thing. This is quite new in Msia. I just hope to know more about this. Either it's scam or not, I think we can evaluate it...We are not kids.

Which investment mode is suitable for you, it depends. You can't say that the investment is not good cause it just doesn't suit you. Anyway, any investment has risk. We have to invest according to our capability, the risk level we can bear with and our financial goal.

Blizz, you should study more about your job if you're interested on it. It's not a good way to intro the thing to public, where you can't tell people clearly. You should state that how we can earn money from that...the possibility we get lose, what's the fees and charges. If you want to sell your scheme, this is not a good place, I think. If you want to share with us, please tell us all about forex, not just how we can earn money. Nobody will believe that we can earn so much money without risk. If yes, this is not called INVESTMENT.

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