Workmanship is very shoddy.

Pic of a unit which they intend to give VP. I wonder what is that stack of "gold" in the living room?

I receive the VP registered post on wed but letter dated 13 Nov 2014. I din know it takes so long for letter to reach me and in the stack of letters sent to me, they attached a letter dated 19 Nov 2014. What a joke.
In the cover letter, they state that they will charge me interest After 14 days from 13 Nov letter. Utter nonsense...




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^u said it urself they are utter nonsense and why we should keep quiet then?

By keeping quiet and complaining in forums, it does not solve anything, it will only make them think they are doing a good job.

Like you said, this is our property, if there is something wrong, what's wrong with bringing out matters that we deemed answerable by the developer?

Wouldn't it be too late to complain after you take possession of the property?

Once you have lawyer, everyone goes to the defence.

We should take possession, we can always complain after that or sue them after that.

I have seen projects go abandoned because of quabbling of purchasers trying to squeeze the devèloper. Dont squeeze water out of the rock. Gather facts first.

The problem here is, the developer is squeezing the buyer by

i) asking the purchaser to pay maintenance fee which is starting from 13th of nov itself and you only will get the keys in early Jan. So you are paying for the service that you have no access in the 1st place.

ii) stoping the LAD payment, which is supposed to be given until the purchaser got his/her key. It's not fair to the purchaser to pay the loan when they can't move in and no LAD to compensate it.

iii) Revised maintenance fee up to 60% without prior notice.

If accepting the VP with above concerns is your choice, then go ahead. No one is stopping you from doing so.

Ladies and gentlemen, if i may humbly suggest a few pointers:
Your utmost priority now would be to get your keys. It doesnt matter what are the restrictions or nonsense clause they are imposing. Just comply for now or sign in duress to get it over and get your keys. Period.
Any other matters be it outstanding works, challenging the level of readiness for vp, increase in maintenance charges, late delivery of letter, etc can be addressed later.
Not taking your keys due to any reasons is just plain silly as there are no rules to say you cant pursue your rights after you have taken the keys.

The other interesting point that i gather is despite a bunch of owners receiving the letter but none have reported to have inspected their unit? I wonder who got the 1st batch to inspect their unit and when. First mover advantage out of 696 owners.

Yippee kay yeah! Mutha f#$ka!

Is anyone here? I cant enter as he security nt allow.
Rain started...

they are at old town sri gombak..sorry for late reply

Kochin, precisely what i said. Receiving keys does not mean u agree to accept their terms. It means i am taking my property.
Possession is 2/3 of the law.

Maybe write a letter attaching the cheque for payment and "without prejudice" your rights. Take your keys and complain till ur hearts desire.

We owner can state that any expenses by developer needs to be accounted for by developer by owner and expenses like repairs and painting needs to be reasonable.

Who owns the karaoke room etc? Who owns the equipment therein? All need to be accounted to the MC taking over. The management fees must be reasonable.

Cheers

Bro Kochin, need your advice here. Signing their VP means we agreed that the units are ready to be occupied, however the keys can be only obtained by end of this month. Signing their VP also means, we are agreeing that LAD will be paid up to 26th of November instead of key handover date. We are talking about 1 month LAD payment here.

By signing their VP also, we are agreeing to pay the maintenance fee starting from 13th of November, without even occupying the unit in the 1st place.

Please treat this mesage as a learning curve for most of the buyers who are clueless about this sneaky developer.

Don't you think by signing the VP, it will supersede the future complaints about the above issue?

Sign under protest lor.
But if based on what you mention here, developer definitely lose the case already.
Lad until 26 but maintenance starts from 13? Go tribunal straight no need fight. Win hands down. Lol.

Lol.. it's a big joke I tell you. Upon sign VP need to pay deposit. Collect key by doing another appointment, which is by the end of december. Then only arrange another day to check defects and so on. I think it'll be early Jan lorr. But LAD stops on 26th Nov. That's why people refuse to sign or make payment for deposit now.

Deposit for maintenance starts on 13th nov, the day they issue VP letter. Very sneaky developer indeed.

By the way, how to sign under protest?

This post has been edited by crewl227: Nov 30 2014, 07:22 PM

Bro kochin,
Mind sharing what is 'sign under protest'.

Please accept my apologies. First property lehhh.

yes, no worry, i able to join them

http://www.starproperty.my/index.php/artic...ur-rights-away/

i just called jaya megah and pretend i dont know what is happening right now. sharing some info from what i get from developer:

1. when will get key
answer given: bank settle the last 20% by 17 dec and i settle my portion (no due date), they will issue clearence letter to collect key. The date is depends on their staff availability to distribute the key in amara as they are also other buyer to collect the key. Four staff working on the key distrubution as told and too busy to handle 600+ buyer??? The so called appointment date is still unknown.

2. maintenance fee from 0.18 to 0.30
answer given: saying the market value of the land, 0.18 is 3 years ago, now is different and bla bla bla

3. advance 3 months maintenance start from 13 Nov despite we havent move it
answer given: bla bla bla.... we can write them an email to comment about it

4. LAD
answer given: they will give a form for us to fill up and they will proceed and contact us within 2 weeks.

i'm thinking to visit their office and talk face to face to them. but of coz i wont give a damn cent and sign VP if i cant get my key, advance 3 months maintenance start from the date i get key and LAD.

IMHO.

VP is 14 days from the date of the Delivery of Vacant of Possession letter. But since the date of the letter of the balance Progress Billing is 19 November 2014 and the billing due date is 17 December 2014, my personal view is, the earliest VP date should be 14 days after 19 November 2014, which is 3 December 2014.

However technically they cannot penalty us until 17 December 2014 because that is the due date for the billing. It is the unwritten duty that end financier would do a site visit before releasing the final amount and not just rely on the architect cert which is an internal document.

IMHO

regarding maintenance, whatever money collected is in trust and they cannot do whatever they like with the amount collected. They must account the expenses which are reasonably incurred.

If we find that they incur security charge and water charges and cleaning charges, its fair. However if they start charging painting, and wall repair and scaffolding charges etc, we can challenge.

Regarding their response on the maintenance fee charge is based on market value of land, its obvious the personnel is talking rubbish...utter nonsense....

I however note that the huge difference between sinking fund and maintenance is 10 times. I have never seen so big difference. Have anyone seen such thing?

Any updates from the last Sunday 2pm discussion?

May I know how the LAD calculate from 26 November? Was it means 14 days from their letter to us, 13 November 2014? Based on all the post, I believe they issued all the letter back date letter to 13 November 2014 and most of the people (Block C, D, B as i know off) is received it on 27th and letter was sent out on 24th instead of 13th.

You may try to check your mail at http://www.track-trace.com/post



This post has been edited by Cutie panda: Dec 4 2014, 03:50 PM

done some own study about VP, CCC and CFO
correct me if i'm wrong

1. CFO was replaced by CCC in 2007. CFO must issued by local authority.
For Amara case, we are no longer receive any CFO as it's already replaced by CCC.

2. CCC is issued by the Principal Submitting Person (PSP), who is a professional architect, professional engineer or a registered building draughtsman who submits building plans. It is no longer issue by local authority.
So in Amara case, the CCC borang F was sent along with VP letter and it's sign by Heah CK Architect.

3. VACANT Possession (VP) can be issued together with the CCC.
For our case, yes VP is send together with CCC.

4. In SnP Clause 26 (2) - The delivery of Vacant posession by the Vendor shall be supported by a certificate of completion and compliance certifying that the said building is safe and fit for occupation and includes the handling over the keys of the Parcel to the purchaser.
[I]For our case, yes VP is send together with CCC.[/I] The only uncertain here is handover of the key. Some say it's one week after we sign VP, anyone can confirm?

5. In SnP Clause 26 (3) - Upon the expiry of 14 days from the date of a notice from the Vendor requesting the Purchaser to take posession of the said Parcel, whether or not the Purchaser has actually entered into possession or occupation of the said Parcel, the Purchaser shall be deemed to have taken delivery of vacant possesion.
The date of taken vacant possesion is confirmed at 27 Nov 2014. It's unfair for us as the LAD will stop at 27 Nov despite we only receive the letter on 27/28 Nov.

I think the developer is following what is actually need to follow in the SnP and it's hard for us to fight for. The only doubt is why the CCC is issued even thought the building is not fully completed? Can we complain to Majlis Perbandaran Selayang about this?