Thanks, finally remembered how to post YT on LYN.

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Added on August 24, 2011, 9:04 pm

Yeah, about that...

Yes, it is, and no your D7000 won't offer a wider (or narrower) field of adjustment, it is the same, just that the presentation method is different. It is basically the same for both of us, Nikon (and Canon) represents it in a graphical form, while Sony represents it with numerical values.

What I meant was, when you adjust your Kelvin values on the top LCD screen, how do you adjust the green/magenta shift (without going deep into button pushing menus)? That was my question to you yesterday.

the sony a700 doesn't have a top LCD to begin with... 

edit: can this be applied in D5100 also?

Wah guys really teach us newbies pro stuff today, sadly I tend to focus lightproof too much T~T

CY, yes I have noticed that fact about the presets, that is also the main reason I was asking why didn't they make it for K values as well?

Even my entry level a300 can set custom WB as fast as the a700 in that 4 steps.

Waiting for the video

But one thing for sure entry level Nikon bodies can't set exact Kelvin values for white balance. Correct me if i'm wrong

Wow, now this has growth into an interesting topic

Before that continues... CY, do you use focus & recompose method often or usually you'll just adjust the single focus point to achieve rule of third. For example... portraiture?

The TOP LCD hardware design have limitation; It's not the same as back LCD hardware, the top LCD is like our digital watch (e.g. G-Shock, there is predetermine location and what character or icon it can fit and it's sort of fixed. I didn't go into each details of the Top LCD, there may be a location suitable for it, if yes, then it should be able to do through some button combination or some sort;

But still having that said, the top LCD cannot be compared with back LCD, which is more interactive...
With the back LCD, you can use the directional buttons and so on, you can use the "?" to get help, and so much more. So, I don't think it's  fair to compare between back LCD with front LCD;
If using back LCD, we can get through by the "INFO" button (provided it have WB shortcut), Or adding items to "My Menu" as shortcut.

Anyway, as I remember now, what Nikon lacks off previously compared to Canon was the User Settings (e.g. U1, U2), which is now implemented on D7000.

4 steps, but my initial point was how many actual physical presses before getting to white balance that counts...

Now that we're clear on the quibble for the whole day, glad to have things cleared out ^^

At the end of the day, it's the final image captured that is important. So as long the user knows what to press and how to get there, nothing else matters

Yup, as now we have found out, it might not necessary be the case, just that some hidden steps that we did not know about. Discussions are a good thing in my book. Ppl get to learn, things are clarified. Everyone's happy.

U1 and U2 are Custom User Settings, which Canon have it for long time.

This one will store your shooting settings, e.g. which mode you choose (PSAM?), picture control, and several other settings.
So, just dial in U1 or U2 for your custom settings, instead of the usual PSAM.

bravo, very detailed indeed..

I actually did once taking a photo using f/7.1 on 55mm in about 3 metres away and I still failed the focus and recompose
Hell yeah and I think there are few users here which benefit from the PRE WB tutorial too
Ehh..... don't blame me la.....

In fact I checked the manual right away when I got access of it, too bad I didn't store the D7000 manual in my iPhone.

Good discussions about WB.

Just switch to d-0, then the custom WB will be saved to d-0. Right?

aiyo, in end of day, shoot raw la.. then mouse 2 click u adjust kao WB liao

Yea, but they were in the menu and it was not very well implemented. With the dedicated U1 and U2, it's better implemented and settings better preserved. We might see this button implemented in higher end models later?

Why not? I think most D7000 are using U1 or U2 settings?
I don't use PSAM modes anymore, or maybe hardly.
You can dial in either P or S or A or M, then adjust whatever settings you want, then save it in U1 or U2; When you dial in U1 or U2 next time, it will be the settings you have configured.
So, it's like a CUSTOMIZED "P" or "S" or "A" or "M" modes.

MINOR Example of what else you can do:
Some people set U1 with Focus Indicator Beam ON, and U2 with Focus Indicator Beam OFF;

There can be many more adjustments, above just a very minor difference. Previously there was a thread sharing U1 and U2 settings in photomalaysia.com I think, and if you google you might find discussion about it.

Point is, it's something "nice to have", and will probably be implemented in high end models later.

D7000 owner, what kind of setting do i need to make all clear,dept of field as keep getting bokeh(i know a lot of us love it including me) for a 50mm 1.8G. Am still new to this camera. I can do it with the kits lens but not 50mm.

Thanks.

I hope nobody takes it the wrong way. If that sentence came across as Nikon thread only for Nikon, I humbly apologise. What I had originally meant to say is that before you stick your head in to commit and say something unfounded where people here are familiar with Nikon, please make sure you have the right facts first. I have no qualms about other non-Nikon users popping in and out. I do that too but not often.

For the first part, I think it is a little incorrect. Canon used to be the king of high ISO but not anymore.

You need a 24mm f/1.4 or a 35mm f/1.4 that has 0.3m and 0.25m MFD respectively. 

That is true. Nikon could have made the multi-selector button at the back for the right thumb to tune WB.

i read that before, and was wondering.
why is D7000 sensor from sony, and D3100 sensor from nikon? arent they both the same?
or perhaps nikon used the D7000 sensor, modified it abit, stamped nikon on it and put it in the D3100

btw, that article doesnt mention the D3x...this one does.
http://nikonrumors.com/2008/12/09/nikon-d3...on-part-2.aspx/

one would assume also the same applies to the other models, its just stamped nikon as it is designed by them anyway.

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Added on August 25, 2011, 3:04 pmin other somewhat related news, sony has just announced their new flagship APS-C A77 with 24mp sensor.
so lets assume the new D400 or whatever its called will also be the same sensor

The A-77 is now a DSLT, the performance is amazing.... 12FPS @ full resolution, crazy machine gun... claimed the only camera can do this at the moment. Saw a demo video, the video is using the frames captured... those moving objects like horse running.... seems like all is in focus when shooting continuous @ 12FPS.... 
Saw the promo video as well, super cool 

C1, C2 and C3. But I believe it's there because they do not have shooting menu banks like the Nikon bodies.
What I've read is that those sensors on the pro Nikon bodies are manufactured by Sony but designed by Nikon since only big companies like Sony and Nikon have the capability of producing those sensors.

For other camera bodies, they take the Sony directly with some circuitry and processor changes.

yea, only dissapointing thing bout them is the EVF.
i've tried the A55 and didnt like the EVF one bit, tho the A77 oled EVF should hopefully be much better.

ok, lets not go OT in a nikon thread

so lets assume, that since Sony already announce this...
and canon to announce 7d mk2 next month...
nikon should be announcing a D400 successor too around the same time.

EVF yea somewhat.
but if the lcd is not good quality, it usually looks under-expose, still have to rely on exposure meter...must as well not have EVF

eh, 7D mk2 worr? canon rumors said not so fast... but still it's all rumours.
o have intelligence that says paideemarkfree is already in malaysia. this intelligence of mine hold the camera.

nikon will definitely come out with replacement cameras. same goes to canon.
olympic is 9 months away. then european champion

hmm, for me is a 18-20MP FX. everything else can remain.
well, heck, i can just buy the already exist D3x to be honest but i cant afford that price...

I believe Nikon's sensor / DSLR roadmap follows very closely to Sony's.
So you suspect Nikon's sensors are made by Canon?  There are not many companies that have large enough facility to make sensors for Nikon. So Nikon tying up and using Sony is not surprising.
Yes, that is what I'm thinking. The last time 2008 Olympics in Beijing, the press photographers had a taste of the D3 and that was a turning point for Nikon. Rest as they say, is history.

“Nikon have announced that they designed the sensor. Nikon has no wafer fabrication capability so they outsource the sensor production, but they are keeping the foundry close to their chests, so close that we must speculate to identify the source. The obvious choice would be Sony, who build the sensor used in the Nikon D2X, however there are no Sony markings on the device, and the device structure is markedly different from the other Sony CIS we have analyzed. We considered Matsushita/Panasonic the device structure has similarities to the Panasonic CIS we have seen, but it is sufficiently different that we have doubts that it is theirs. Thus we are speculating who else could be the manufacturing source. I believe Nikon would stick with a Japanese foundry. An interesting possibility is Renesas, they have close ties with Nikon, supplying several imager processor chipsets, they have a patent portfolio in image sensors indicating they have active r+d in this field, and they have the fab capabilities.”

Canon's is RM300, normally they discount for you till RM280 (SUPER GOOD LUCK)