Exactly. Some things are worth the 1K or so difference. Quality of life is so much better.

Just the simple rule of supply vs demand power, where demand more than supply.
In SG, owner is king. Some even have to 'interview' u!!
Rental money is not an issue to them, coz a lot of ppl are willing to pay.
So when ppl become king it's normal for them to become arses.

couldnt agree more! i rented a whole unit even though every mth gotta bleed $$$ compared to renting a room, at least i hav a place call 'home' after work... can relax n enjoy my time leave room drs open n things like that

mind u, its still not the best place i imagined to rent though; air cond is noisy, can hear MRT noise, small unit... definitely a big downgrade from my landed hse in marehsia but this is all i can afford now in sg, if go for anything better i really gotta eat grass from roadside everyday

on the bright side, mayb things will improve, time will come, opportunity to move up the ladder then i can upgrade myself hopefully!

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Added on August 1, 2011, 3:54 pmbtw, jz got a head hunter contacted me, but i guess i wil stay in this comp till i get my PR

This post has been edited by toda6866: Aug 1 2011, 03:54 PM

That is too much of a generalization.
Put yourself in their shoes.
Think about wat sean said.
It is very likely that you might be so too.
If I were the landlord, I would at least want some control over who stays in my crib.

This post has been edited by crazy25kid: Aug 1 2011, 04:04 PM

Hahaha, I've always been exposed to propaganda about singaporeans being annoying, controlling etc and such info which I gathered from my friends merely enhanced that 'perception' of singaporeans being, 'arses'. I guess I didn't quite think of it that way.

THAT SAID, we're paying for a room there should be a certain degree of rights to which we are entitled, and singaporeans are undertaking to rent out (along with it, they should be aware of all the risks that comes attached with it), and yet wanting to retain control, that sounds to me like "wanting to eat the cake, and keep it too".

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Added on August 1, 2011, 4:16 pmso u apply already ? and waiting ?

This post has been edited by ivanswk: Aug 1 2011, 04:20 PM

Mind you, renting a room doesn't mean that the landlord is 'handing over possession' of one of the rooms in their flat over to the tenant. It's more like the tenant is a boarder, to use the traditional English term. The law still deems the landlord as having full possession of the entire flat, indeed the law does not recognise sub-letting as a transfer of possession at all. The landlord is still accountable for everything that goes on under his roof, from breeding aedes mosquitos to the unlawful possession of contrabrand and the use of the room for prostitution.

IMHO, a room renter is entitled to board in the landlord's house (and have a reasonable amount of privacy), but is not entitled to treat the house (and therefore the room) as his own.

When you rent a unit however, there is a legal handover of possession (usually the keys), and from the point on, the tenant gains legal possession of the premises.

Oh wow, I learned something today.
I wasn't aware there was a distinction between the rights of someone who rent an entire unit, and someone who rents a room. (I assumed the standard rights to be the same, regardless of the size and quantum of the property, unless specifically negotiated)

When you buy a seat on a plane, the captain still has the right to throw you off the flight or restrain you, no? Even if you misbehave in your seat only.

Or what's the difference between taking a taxi and renting a car?

Hi all,

I've common room for transient @ Yishun.

If you've any friends/ relatives who needs short term affordable stay in Singapore, do refer them to me.

Thank you.

You may be correct in a general sense, but specifically in the case of the plane, the captain has the right to throw you out IF you misbehave (probably under some separate act/statute for air flight, or as part of the terms of the ticket),

However, he has no right to restrain you from doing what you want just because he wants to. (which is the point I'm trying to make. it may be a reasonable request, but if the terms did not give the landlord that right, the landlord simply doesn't have that right.)

Anyway I was looking up some cases Landlord Harassment just to see what the rights are, but that said, the cases above apply to the rental of an entire unit.

Personally I'm under the impression that law should be scale-able, and there should not be a distinction between leasing a unit, and leasing a room. The landlord may want to disallow things when leasing a room, but it must be agreed upfront as a form of 'restrictive term'.

(Question : Is there any official HDB template for an agreement for subletting of rooms, I wanna take a look at the rights and terms) (I couldn't find any official ones, but I found plenty of others from blogs, not sure whether they are official)

(btw I sincerely meant I learnt something, it wasn't sarcastic)

Dude, you can't eat SG roadside grass. That's illegal.

I know of a case, somehow a tree planted among HDB flats, bear fruits. An uncle (SG citizen) thought it is alright to pick the fruits. Few days later, he got summoned for it. I didn't check the exact reason, but it is sort of like damaging public property or taking/stealing public property or similiar.

After that case, the tree still keep bearing fruits 1-2 times a year, but no one dare to take it, even after it drops to the ground. Only those who collect into garbage bags will dare take it.

Hahaha... Everything you see belongs to government.

I reckon it's all about legal possession.

If you have legal possession of the premises, you can give or restrict access to those premises as you so desire.

Following that, my opinion is that you cannot gain possession (in its complete sense) of a room within a flat. IIRC, in cases of duplexes (ie. two separate living spaces within a single condo), the concept of whether possession of one living space within a larger unit is achievable, was based on whether entry/exit to the primary living areas were separated.

Lastly, if it's established that you cannot have legal possession of a room within a unit, then IMHO it's the room renter who should specifically INCLUDE into the room tenancy contract - those types of rights which are similar to those of someone who has legal possession of a unit. It should not be the other way around ie. assumed that those rights are already native to the room renter and only excluded if stated in the room tenancy contract.

So I reckon there's no need for the landlord to restrict rights which a room renter does not have. It's the room renter who has to seek to include additional rights into the tenancy agreement.

I am fresh grad in Mfg Engineering from public uni in Melaka, I'm curently looking for job both in Malaysia and Singapore. Can kindly advise on the job hunt in Singapore.

Hmm, seems a bit draconian doesn't it! Oh well, I guess I'll just have to be prudent and try to negotiate for all the things I want upfront (if the rental prices for an entire unit proves too prohibitive)

Thanks for your help!

Common law originated from Britain, where kings and lords owned all the land and their subjects lived on those lands as their property.

Hahaha, I figured Singapore has since moved out of the feudal ages (legally), but I guess not! XD

rent whole unit will save u a lot of troubles.... esp i had very bad exp with landlord and housemates... haha....

well its easier said that done....considering that it will easily cost SGD1.5k rental per month or even higher close to SGD2k ......not many of us earn that high income to be able to afford to rent a whole HDB unit

Think about it...a person who's income is SGD3k per month....is he/she gonna fork out 50% of his/her monthly income on it?

This post has been edited by tailtwist: Aug 1 2011, 05:55 PM