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 Asus Eee Pad Transformer TF101 Official Thread V2, 10.1" Android Ice Cream Sandwich Tablet

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post Sep 19 2011, 08:15 PM

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QUOTE(MercurialA @ Sep 19 2011, 01:05 PM)
Dear guys,

I want to get this AEPT but I am not sure whether it will satisfy my needs.

I would like to turn this to my secondary computer to bring to my uni.

Questions are:

1) How good is it to view notes or ebooks (very or any lags)?
2) Polaris, is it good to do my assignments?
3) can i print my notes directly from the AEPT?

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1) Notes as in normal text? No issue. Ebooks depends. If you are referring to PDF, not that good at the moment. iPad also same issue. But if you are talking about reading magazines like those from Zinio (such as reader's digest, chip magazine, etc), its pretty good. I love reading it with my Transformer.
2) Good for simple stuff, for complex stuff PC still better. It takes time to do some stuff but like i said, for simple stuff no issues. If you wanna do fancy stuff like TOC, add colours, borders, align stuff here and there..PC/laptop still better for sure
3) Using google cloud print u can but you need 3rd party software for this like what louyeh has mentioned.


Added on September 19, 2011, 8:17 pm
QUOTE(jimmylim85 @ Sep 19 2011, 01:46 PM)
Guys, how many user here using 32GB microSD? any using Class10 type? Or Class4 is sufficient. My main target is 720p clip playback.
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not so sure about this but the class numbers are misleading. try to get the read speeds if possible..again i'm not sure what kind of read speeds can give you decent performance for 720p clips. try to ask around in XDA developers forum.

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post Sep 19 2011, 10:14 PM

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Well, i check on wiki, Class4 means sustain 4MB/sec while Class10 is 10MB/sec.


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post Sep 19 2011, 10:16 PM

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QUOTE(jimmylim85 @ Sep 19 2011, 01:46 PM)
Guys, how many user here using 32GB microSD? any using Class10 type? Or Class4 is sufficient. My main target is 720p clip playback.
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i dont think Android takes full advantage of MicroSD class 10.

I am using Kingmax Class 10 card that is blazing fast using card reader on PC but performs all the same on TF.

I think Class 4 should suffice, most well known brand Class 4 cards perform almost at Class 6 speeds (writing speed in excess of 5-6MB/s)

the underlying cause is Class 10 cards might be really fast when writing continously to the card, as in HD video recording and large file copying but random read/write performance of small data chunks is still same as Class 4 i think.
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QUOTE(jimmylim85 @ Sep 19 2011, 10:14 PM)
Well, i check on wiki, Class4 means sustain 4MB/sec while Class10 is 10MB/sec.
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what i mean is that there are some microsd claiming to be a class 10 but have read speeds much lower than that of a real class 10..also there are also fake microsd cards out there i believe...u should do research on this...but my guess is that a class 4 should be sufficient i suppose.
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QUOTE(CyberKewl @ Sep 19 2011, 08:15 PM)
1) Notes as in normal text? No issue. Ebooks depends. If you are referring to PDF, not that good at the moment. iPad also same issue. But if you are talking about reading magazines like those from Zinio (such as reader's digest, chip magazine, etc), its pretty good. I love reading it with my Transformer.
2) Good for simple stuff, for complex stuff PC still better. It takes time to do some stuff but like i said, for simple stuff no issues. If you wanna do fancy stuff like TOC, add colours, borders, align stuff here and there..PC/laptop still better for sure
3) Using google cloud print u can but you need 3rd party software for this like what louyeh has mentioned.
Note taking using soft keyboard and Android keyboard (virtual) works fine but i think there is still huge rooms for improvement for handwritten notes using stylus and handwriting recognition on Android Honeycomb tablets.

as CyberKewl pointed out, PDF file opening/scrolling/zooming performance leaves a lot to be desired in current generation of tablets and mobile phones, be it Windows Mobile, Android, iOS, Symbian or Maemo/Meego.

Some paid app for PDF viewing on Honeycomb tablets does show some improvement over Polaris Office.

A tablet can be a good mobile companion for a PC/Laptop/Netbook but it wont be replacing it anytime soon.


Added on September 19, 2011, 10:47 pm
QUOTE(jimmylim85 @ Sep 19 2011, 10:14 PM)
Well, i check on wiki, Class4 means sustain 4MB/sec while Class10 is 10MB/sec.
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most modern and 'real' Class 4 cards can exceed 4MB/s

like i said earlier, faster ability to read/write smallers chunks of data is more important than continuous reading/writing speed.

Faster Class 10 MicroSDs would only show their true potential when copying large files to/from the MicroSD.

unless the only operation you are performing is copying files to/from the card you would not need a Class 10 MicroSD in any current Android devices.

future versions of Android OS / Custom ROMs might be able to take advantage of Class 10 MicroSDs if they are able to make Android OS read/write data in larger chunks such as 1024Kb or 2048Kb.


Added on September 19, 2011, 10:49 pmPS : if you are also going to use the card in other devices as well such as DSLRs or HD recording devices please go with the higher Class 10.

For DLSR continuous shooting for e.g. you surely can see the difference of Class 4 and Class 10 memory cards.


Added on September 19, 2011, 10:55 pmCrystalDiskMark would be able to project a 'real-world' performance index of your cards.

http://crystalmark.info/software/CrystalDi...rk/index-e.html

This post has been edited by jananan: Sep 19 2011, 10:55 PM
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post Sep 19 2011, 11:16 PM

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post Sep 19 2011, 11:29 PM

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Does Sandisk microSDHC 32GB CLass 4 enough for daily usage? main aim is to view 720p video as smooth as possible.
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QUOTE(jimmylim85 @ Sep 19 2011, 11:29 PM)
Does Sandisk microSDHC 32GB CLass 4 enough for daily usage? main aim is to view 720p video as smooth as possible.
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should be fine i guess, just google around to see if got any articles on how to spot fakes.
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QUOTE(jimmylim85 @ Sep 19 2011, 11:29 PM)
Does Sandisk microSDHC 32GB CLass 4 enough for daily usage? main aim is to view 720p video as smooth as possible.
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i am planning to buy one soon, 32GB.

have a few large capacity full size SD cards for use in other devices but not many MicroSDs.

i should have bought MicroSDs in the first place doh.gif doh.gif


if you find anywhere selling 32GB cheap do tell me... wink.gif

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thank you guys for the information. biggrin.gif
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for the read/ write speed... there's the sequential speed and there's also the random speed. i think for big files, it is supposed to be sequential or sth...

there are lots of articles and debate about this. generally, a class 4 from a 'good' brand should be good enough. i'm using a 32GB Class 4 SanDisk on my sgs2. so far, no problem recording 1080p videos. that was 2mths back @ rm230. came with adaptor & reader, i think.

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post Sep 20 2011, 02:22 PM

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Conclusion, no harm in using sandisk microsdhc 32GB class4 on TF101 right?
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post Sep 20 2011, 02:57 PM

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shouldn't have much harm if u only stuff big big files inside there...

btw, just tested Pocket League Story... i must say, games from Kairosoft are addictive as ever, and it's on sales now, just 2.99
try on the lite version first if u wanna know how it's like
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Is storing large file yet playback large files too. It's mp4 files @ 720p.
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post Sep 20 2011, 10:19 PM

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Sandisk 64GB MicroSDXC

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USD$ 220 cry.gif cry.gif

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QUOTE(jananan @ Sep 20 2011, 10:19 PM)
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Sandisk 64GB MicroSDXC

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USD$ 220  cry.gif  cry.gif
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not supported by any device at the moment. needs a special microsd reader onboard to read this
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post Sep 20 2011, 10:27 PM

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QUOTE(CyberKewl @ Sep 20 2011, 10:20 PM)
not supported by any device at the moment. needs a special microsd reader onboard to read this
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that is where you are mistaken...

hardware wise, SDHC and SDXC are similar

i am pretty confident the 'modern' micro sd card reader in the Asus Transformer comes with the latest firmware.

unless Asus picked a 'cheap' 'outdated' card reader for the TF.

AFAIK, linux/unix does not differentiate between SDHC/SDXC. I am pretty sure Android kernel works somehwat similar.

i am just worried about the filesystem being used, exFAT, which belongs to Micro$oft. doh.gif

Asus (and other manufacturers) need to pay Micro$oft in order to use the exFAT filesystem. doh.gif

I miss good old FAT32 thumbup.gif
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anyone facing the problem that the auto brightness example autio in dim mode thn i use torch to make the screen bright but when i turn off the torch light, te brightness still very bright...dont know how..anyone facing this problem?
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QUOTE(jananan @ Sep 20 2011, 10:27 PM)
that is where you are mistaken...

hardware wise, SDHC and SDXC are similar

i am pretty confident the 'modern' micro sd card reader in the Asus Transformer comes with the latest firmware.

unless Asus picked a 'cheap' 'outdated' card reader for the TF.

AFAIK, linux/unix does not differentiate between SDHC/SDXC. I am pretty sure Android kernel works somehwat similar.

i am just worried about the filesystem being used, exFAT, which belongs to Micro$oft.  doh.gif

Asus (and other manufacturers) need to pay Micro$oft in order to use the exFAT filesystem.  doh.gif

I miss good old FAT32  thumbup.gif
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You might be right and you might be wrong..depends on our TF actually:

"However, the card will only work in smartphones and tablets that offer a microSDXC card slot, so you might want to check your device before you get too excited. Many phones only support the microSDHC standard, which maxes out at 32GB. It’s amazing to think that the new microSDXC standard will eventually support capacities of up to 2TB all on a tiny card about the size of dime."

EDIT: Read somewhere it is using exFat which is not supported by Linux but you could use a card reader and format it off to NTFS..there's a guide to do that I believe...not sure if anyone tested it out..cos if the process fails and messes up the microsd..that's $200 USD gone

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post Sep 21 2011, 02:44 AM

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QUOTE(CyberKewl @ Sep 20 2011, 10:35 PM)
You might be right and you might be wrong..depends on our TF actually:

"However, the card will only work in smartphones and tablets that offer a microSDXC card slot, so you might want to check your device before you get too excited. Many phones only support the microSDHC standard, which maxes out at 32GB. It’s amazing to think that the new microSDXC standard will eventually support capacities of up to 2TB all on a tiny card about the size of dime."

EDIT: Read somewhere it is using exFat which is not supported by Linux but you could use a card reader and format it off to NTFS..there's a guide to do that I believe...not sure if anyone tested it out..cos if the process fails and messes up the microsd..that's $200 USD gone
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nah, formatting is just rearranging the filesystem blocks. changes are completely reversible.

god knows how many times i have reformatted my usb sticks from FAT32 to FAT16 to NTFS to ext2/ext3/ext4 shakehead.gif shakehead.gif

i am sure the same rules apply to memory cards as well.

but i guess by the time they release 128GB or 256GB MicroSDXCs at reasonable prices we would have sold off our Asus Transformer 1 and be using Asus Transformer 3 with Tegra4 maybe... who knows... brows.gif brows.gif

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