You will have to look deeper than footballing reasons to understand why scousers have the tendency to be cautious towards OOT. It's not just towards the Asian, they also show the same cautiousness towards other mat salleh OOTs too. Reason for this is quite obvious, the Sun exploitation and everyone else joining the bandwagon is one of the reasons why Scousers don't readily trust people outside their 'region'. Then there's the Thatcher's government which discriminated the people of Liverpool. It's not actually a super fan behavior, but rather a siege mentality of a massive social scale. You may not agree with it and that's your prerogative but at least understand why they are behaving in such ways.

I agree with everything you've said. You don't claim to be equally as good a fan as scousers just because you bought a few jerseys along the way. Like I said earlier, money can't buy passion.



You can't compare the prices of players now and then. It's common knowledge that the price of players has inflated in recent times because of various factors, and this isn't helped but he fact that you have filthy rich owners throwing money around. Dean Saunders was signed for a then English record of $2.9 million pounds. We also signed Stan Collymore for a record $8.5 million pounds. I don't have to time to go through how much each player cost when during the 80's but we do buy players and very few clubs if any had the financial muscle to go on a spree.



I think we all know where we went wrong but I there are many other reasons why we haven't won the league in that time.



Fine but what is your point?



Who is arguing and who is showing you disrespect? I've never been criticised for being a Liverpool fan even when I posted regularly on .tv and RAWK. Yes, I've seen comments aimed at OOTs but they are becoming far and few in between. Stop asking for respect. If you've earned it, people will give it to you.



Again, where are you getting all these insults from? No I don't consider myself Scouse but I can see why they don't respect foreign fans, especially those who don't take the effort to read about the club's history. I myself have little regard for any fan who doesn't regardless of nationality but I accept that people have their own definition of what it is to be a fan.

I agree but it's frustrating to know that there are a lot of fans who don't care to be educated and when you tell them stuff, they think you're trying to prove that you're better than them. You weren't around at the time but there was a big discussion on what it means to be a fan, a whole thread on it and you'll be surprised at how many fans don't think that history is important at all.

It's like I said earlier, the onus is also in us to make sure we know as much about the club we claim to love and support as much as possible. Why rely on others to spoon feed us when all one has to do is click on the mouse to learn as much as they want. I mean, if you're going to spend hundreds of dollars on merchandise, why not spend a little time on the net to get information for free? Yes, fans should educate other fans but it is still disheartening to know that some people don't take the effort to learn by themselves.

[quote=Duke Red,Jul 7 2011, 04:42 PM]
I agree with everything you've said. You don't claim to be equally as good a fan as scousers just because you bought a few jerseys along the way. Like I said earlier, money can't buy passion.

Yes money can't buy passion, but it can buy a lot of players that we need.
We still need a right winger (i really can't see Kuyt playing as a permanent right winger), a left winger, a leftback and a central defender. Won't hurt to also include another striker coz although Luiz Suarez is good, he and Caroll can't be expected to play every minute of football for the entire season. I dun know if David N'Gog is still there or not but makes no difference anyway

very very correct. I wanted to reply on some complains that captain marvel isnt coming & liverpool may have exploited giving the news until last minute. (couldnt access the net yesterday & was soo busy whole of today)

I got my tickets to watch Liverpool FC, if my gerrard comes, its extra bonus. there are already plentiful of bonues when most of the Liverpool players are coming & will be featuring in next seasons games!

I wanted to add this tour is about Liverpool fc & not gerrardpool FC , which is why even in the masters where the old guards were down, they represented Liverpool & I'm happy many pool fans came, we ought to give credit to where its due unlike forever offering praises in comparison that of the slickness, sophistication PR of devils. (they spend big which we are quite alien to us then)

This post has been edited by koolspyda: Jul 7 2011, 04:55 PM

While we're in the topic, let me give you an example of someone who took the effort to become a fan. You've corresponded with Monstar who is now studying in the UK. I don't always agree with his opinions e.g. Rafa and stuff but I myself cannot match his passion. When I first met him, he was 18 or so. I had organised a viewing party for Carlsberg and Liverpool were playing Man Utd. I asked him to come and he came alone to watch the game. Since then he's become an active member of MyRAWK and we've watched many games together. The bloke memorised all our songs (which I myself haven't) and his knowledge of LFC dates back to Shankly. In the short time that I knew him, he gained vast amounts of knowledge and I find myself being envious that he now gets to live in the UK. He is an example of someone who took it upon himself to self-educate. He has my respect and I'm sure he has gotten the respect of Liverpool fans he's met there.

Now that all being said, I know that not everyone has the time and not everyone is as passionate and that's fine. It's like your career though. If you spend more time and effort at work than your colleague, chances are you'll get more recognition. The same applies for being a fan. Respect and recognition will come in due time.

This post has been edited by Duke Red: Jul 7 2011, 04:52 PM

duke
mind share with me the good reading material or books about LFC?

Wikipedia is a good free source. It's amazing the amount of information you can find via a google search. Wiki will give you brief historical account of the club.

Books? Most biographies provide good reading material and you get to read stories and accounts from players you won't find online. I just finished reading Tommy Smith's book entitled "Anfield Iron". I've also read Fowler's and Carra's in recent times. I usually won't read a biography unless the player is retired or near retirement which is why I never read the Torres and Gerrard one's although I have them. People gave them to me as gifts. I had a book on Shankly entitled "The Essential Shankly" but I lent it to a friend and he's not given it back yet.

Start online and read about Shankly, Hillsborough and Heysel. If you visit liverpoolfc.tv and redandwhitekop.co.uk, you'll come across some pretty well written posts from senior fans.

redandwhitekop.com/forum is a good site to know more details about our club.My english is poor but I enjoy reading their comments and watching videos that create by them.You should search for some important event videos from youtube and understand why it means so much to the people there.

sometimes I enjoy reading Carra, Gerrard or Torres Biography in MPH Mid Valley to know more about the history of the player and club.Cannot afford to buy but definitely will buy it in future once I get my own income.

Reading Shankly quotes was fun and interesting.It is his philosophy that make me admire him and can sense how much this club means to him.

I still have alot to learn from forummers here ,please correct me if I am wrong

Fowler joined Thai club....

come to malaysia ma... eheh

Well done.

Can't imagine Fowler playin for Selangor or Pahang... hehe

i think he joined more to get laid than to play football or for the money

Let's not forget about Glen. Johnson just sign a contract extension!

I am a realist.While i appreciate our history,i dont go around talking about it to others.I feel that our history is burdening us.There are exceptions however

I wanted kenny back when rafa was sacked but many local fans applauded the move to appoint roy.Does that make me ignorant of our history?

Whatever you are saying implies that i am not even a fan in the first place

http://soccernet.espn.go.com/news/story/_/...medical?cc=4716

officially ours

This post has been edited by demamkuning: Jul 7 2011, 05:43 PM

thanks
i already read fowler's carra's gerrard's and torres's
but i try looking for more especially shankly's
but couldn't find it at local book stores

try kino. there's always rush n kenny's. btw our offical site pretty much have everything on the history of lfc looks like adam is coming to asia !

http://www.liverpoolfc.tv/news/media-watch...t-from-dalglish



Didn't know about that..




So our new signings will be coming after all..

i have a couple shankly ones, from kinokuniya / borders.
apart from the usual biographies, the last couple i read and liked was the already mentioned tommy smith's and also kennedy's way, https://bookweb.kinokuniya.co.jp/guest/cgi-...&AREA=05&LANG=E

a few more general info ones are 'the kop', basically bout its history, https://bookweb.kinokuniya.co.jp/guest/cgi-...&AREA=05&LANG=E
lfc miscellany, https://bookweb.kinokuniya.co.jp/guest/cgi-...&AREA=05&LANG=E
'tops of the kop', history of the kits from beginning til a few yrs ago...unfortunately, kinokuniya dont have stock of this right now.

for a fun read, here we go gathering cups in may, https://bookweb.kinokuniya.co.jp/guest/cgi-...&AREA=05&LANG=E

thanks for the great info!!
totally forgot about kino.i seldom go to KLCC