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post Jun 13 2011, 05:52 PM

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pirated dvd will increase the price for sure...
just wondering who run pirated dvd business? hmm.gif
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post Jun 13 2011, 05:55 PM

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coming soon, Cloud file sharing service from Microsoft. haha, so ban too?


Added on June 13, 2011, 5:57 pmso many trouble. damn, just cut the undersea cable..

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post Jun 13 2011, 05:58 PM

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i have 50GB free cloud storage, but i didn't use yet. cause dunno what i want to upload there. LOL
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post Jun 13 2011, 09:06 PM

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QUOTE(LittleGhost @ Jun 13 2011, 10:28 AM)
It is not an act against piracy. There is nothing illegal about filehosting sites. Get your facts right. All these sites are 100% against piracy files and they stand firm on their rules. They also provide convenient ways to remove the files if any organization wants the files removed.
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ahh naive in denial. Let me explain a bit more on how this is an act against piracy.
Malaysians loves to pirate. They go to internet since they don't have to pay shit. They went into all those site to get them. They download them and be done with those site never to be entered unless they got something else to pirate.
You see, in their eyes and brains, they are supposedly trying to stop these acts of piracy. You may say whatever you want, you may justify how is that you are allowed to merompak, but the FACT is, they see how their bandwidth are being used, they see all these website being used to download nothing but pirated materials. So in their perspective they want to stop all this act of piracy since it is hogging up their bandwidth. Bandwidth running out but they're all used for illegal purposes? Which ISP on this planet going to allow it?

Now for my REAL point that you do not seem to get. Try to read this and understand it. I'll use an analogy for your easier understanding. Say a hardware store that sells machete. The store is very much legal. However the cops found out one day that criminals are always buying the machetes to commit a crime from this store. And so the police instead of looking around the ACTUAL criminal, they closed the shop. Why? Because it is EASY. They don't have to do any investigative work to find those criminals. All they need to do is stop the source where the tool of crime is obtained.

A very skewed solution to a problem isn't it? That is my point. Its an act against piracy, but a very stupid act. Not to mention an easy way out since they don't need to get their asses off their lovely seat and arrest those who sells them openly in pasar malam/shopping malls. Or maybe they do but turn a blind eye for some duit kopi?

As for your '100% against piracy'. MU sure I know. I've seen a lot of dead links myself. But ThePirateBay? Seriously you're digging their 100% against piracy? How many times do you think have they relocate to where the law can't touch them? You cannot believe what the government says but you believe a site filled with pirated materials they're against piracy? That is truly laughable. How about that website that has 'warez' in its name? That is like a marketplace for pirates.

Frankly, I'm hoping they get insanely serious with pirates. Get rid of those sellers, watch torrent website and bring those pirates to court. Ahh when the day comes I just sooo want to say padan muka to all those people.


QUOTE(Hornet @ Jun 13 2011, 12:40 PM)
You really believe the government will stop there?
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What does that have anything close to do with anything I've said?
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post Jun 13 2011, 09:27 PM

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QUOTE(exentric_nova @ Jun 13 2011, 09:06 PM)

What does that have anything close to do with anything I've said?
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You believe its to combat piracy, the rest of us knows thats just a load of horse sh!t

Even a retard could understand that blocking website is not going to stop anything. This has internet control written all over it. The government is not going to just block those site, we all know that makes no difference. Its just a first step in internet censorship. There is nothing to stop them from eventually blocking pornographic website, political blogs and so on, because this gives the government to manipulate our access to the internet and this is wrong.

Maybe you are fine with that, maybe you think piracy is such an important issue, that corporate is more important than everyone else that we must lose our freedom, bent over backwards and let them do anything they wants, I can't change your opinion.

But for the rest of us, I think we still love our freedom. Internet should be left alone. No one has the rights to tell me what sites I can and cannot access.


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post Jun 13 2011, 10:09 PM

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I think what exentric_nova said is true but he or she is in the wrong place of this world.

The root of piracy is hard to determine but it runs deep in Malaysia to an extend that it is quite hard to eradicate. You never know for sure who is in the right or who is in the wrong. Even the supposed "right" is not totally innocent.

Humans follow the easy way out, that is just how it is most of the time. What anyone is doing to stop piracy shall not succeed because like an old Chinese saying, if you tried to burn down a field of grass but left its root untouched, when spring comes it will grow back up again.

I have not met anyone in Malaysia that is "pure", have not done anything illegal yet and have been playing by the rules so far. Maybe exentric_nova is one.
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post Jun 13 2011, 10:14 PM

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QUOTE(exentric_nova @ Jun 13 2011, 09:06 PM)
ahh naive in denial. Let me explain a bit more on how this is an act against piracy.
Malaysians loves to pirate. They go to internet since they don't have to pay shit. They went into all those site to get them. They download them and be done with those site never to be entered unless they got something else to pirate.
You see, in their eyes and brains, they are supposedly trying to stop these acts of piracy. You may say whatever you want, you may justify how is that you are allowed to merompak, but the FACT is, they see how their bandwidth are being used, they see all these website being used to download nothing but pirated materials. So in their perspective they want to stop all this act of piracy since it is hogging up their bandwidth. Bandwidth running out but they're all used for illegal purposes? Which ISP on this planet going to allow it?


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Reductio_ad_absurdum

facepalm.jpg. Sure, resort to calling others naive when you yourself cannot understand what is legal and what is not.

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Now for my REAL point that you do not seem to get. Try to read this and understand it. I'll use an analogy for your easier understanding. Say a hardware store that sells machete. The store is very much legal. However the cops found out one day that criminals are always buying the machetes to commit a crime from this store. And so the police instead of looking around the ACTUAL criminal, they closed the shop. Why? Because it is EASY. They don't have to do any investigative work to find those criminals. All they need to do is stop the source where the tool of crime is obtained.


This is complacency and it solves almost nothing but hinder progress of culture and humanity. Filehosting/cloud computing is a future technology, whether you like it or not. Plus your analog is absurd as well as you're comparing murdering to a situation where you can't even "define" piracy at the first place. Both do not have the same severity. They differ too much to even be a proper analogy. You want a real analogy? The internet promotes stupidity, why not ban it altogether? This is essentially your argument.

Lrn2analogy.

File hosting sites are just file hosting sites. They really are no different than server spaces you get from paying. Except this one is paid through advertising.



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A very skewed solution to a problem isn't it? That is my point. Its an act against piracy, but a very stupid act. Not to mention an easy way out since they don't need to get their asses off their lovely seat and arrest those who sells them openly in pasar malam/shopping malls. Or maybe they do but turn a blind eye for some duit kopi?


So are you pro censorship or pro freedom? Make up your mind.

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As for your '100% against piracy'. MU sure I know. I've seen a lot of dead links myself. But ThePirateBay? Seriously you're digging their 100% against piracy? How many times do you think have they relocate to where the law can't touch them? You cannot believe what the government says but you believe a site filled with pirated materials they're against piracy? That is truly laughable. How about that website that has 'warez' in its name? That is like a marketplace for pirates.


>implying filehosting = torrent site.

No. It's a different issue altogether. As a matter of fact, throttling international torrent connections to an absurd level is already a good enough counter which renders torrent locally almost obsolete. Personally speaking as an engineer, torrent is pretty damn useful for transferring large chunks of files. Censoring/throttling the protocol while ignoring the prospects of creative learning (we engineers download linux distros pretty often, patches and so) is damaging as a whole to the entire country.

Do you want to nitpick? Do you know that torrent sites only stores hashfiles and torrent files? It is COMPLETELY legal. It is that censoring is against the act of internet freedom. Know how to differentiate between illegal and legal before proceeding to moral judgement. Two wrongs do not make one right. I don't mind Pirate Bay being censored to be honest, there's a difference between sites that supports copyright organization (i.e. the filehosts we have today) and against (i.e. piratebay).

Also, you don't cripple technology just to get to pirates. This is just plain ignorant. My point is the technology itself is NOT illegal. There's a difference between censoring "warez sites" and censoring technology.

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Frankly, I'm hoping they get insanely serious with pirates. Get rid of those sellers, watch torrent website and bring those pirates to court. Ahh when the day comes I just sooo want to say padan muka to all those people.
What does that have anything close to do with anything I've said?
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Do it properly, not through censorship. Even the source of pirated wares (the US), does not do so.

EDIT: http://www.fileserve.com/dmca.php

Read this. They even have DMCA backing their asses. Google the rest yourself.

This post has been edited by LittleGhost: Jun 13 2011, 10:34 PM
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post Jun 13 2011, 10:45 PM

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apparently for idiots here complain about slow downloading with DNS, DNS does not speed up your internet, DNS are only redirecting host domain name to IP address which has nothing to do with your internet speed.
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post Jun 13 2011, 11:10 PM

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What are they going to block next? FB and opposition blogs?
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QUOTE(exentric_nova @ Jun 13 2011, 10:06 PM)
ahh naive in denial. Let me explain a bit more on how this is an act against piracy.
Malaysians loves to pirate. They go to internet since they don't have to pay shit. They went into all those site to get them. They download them and be done with those site never to be entered unless they got something else to pirate.
You see, in their eyes and brains, they are supposedly trying to stop these acts of piracy. You may say whatever you want, you may justify how is that you are allowed to merompak, but the FACT is, they see how their bandwidth are being used, they see all these website being used to download nothing but pirated materials. So in their perspective they want to stop all this act of piracy since it is hogging up their bandwidth. Bandwidth running out but they're all used for illegal purposes? Which ISP on this planet going to allow it?

If they can see and monitor our usage, then they can give the name to the police and submit us to the law. Simple.

But the problem is, the ISP cannot monitor the usage. It's a waste of time, resource and a beach of privacy. It is a common practice everywhere in the world to not monitor their customers activity. US tried to do it, under the influence if RIAA, but they did not succeed.

One of the thing that gives money to ISP is bandwidth, when they use more than they are supposed to, they can get possibly more profit by selling more profit. In turn they create more bandwidth. Malaysia to be doing this is a bad way of showing how n00b they ISP are. I mean at this level they are talking about not enough bandwidth? WTH

QUOTE(exentric_nova @ Jun 13 2011, 10:06 PM)
Now for my REAL point that you do not seem to get. Try to read this and understand it. I'll use an analogy for your easier understanding. Say a hardware store that sells machete. The store is very much legal. However the cops found out one day that criminals are always buying the machetes to commit a crime from this store. And so the police instead of looking around the ACTUAL criminal, they closed the shop. Why? Because it is EASY. They don't have to do any investigative work to find those criminals. All they need to do is stop the source where the tool of crime is obtained.

And, they can buy other stuff to commit crime.

Like it or not, crime gets bigger when you suppress them. See Chicago Riot, when they ban the sell of alcohol. The effect is devastating. Now it is either their logic or our logic, and the consumers are the ones who has most power - that is if they exercise it.

QUOTE(exentric_nova @ Jun 13 2011, 10:06 PM)
As for your '100% against piracy'. MU sure I know. I've seen a lot of dead links myself. But ThePirateBay? Seriously you're digging their 100% against piracy? How many times do you think have they relocate to where the law can't touch them? You cannot believe what the government says but you believe a site filled with pirated materials they're against piracy? That is truly laughable. How about that website that has 'warez' in its name? That is like a marketplace for pirates.

Frankly, I'm hoping they get insanely serious with pirates. Get rid of those sellers, watch torrent website and bring those pirates to court. Ahh when the day comes I just sooo want to say padan muka to all those people.
What does that have anything close to do with anything I've said?
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Let's look at the basic. Why people pirate? If the supplier can see and address these problems, piracy won't be much of a problem.

There is a reason for everything, some party decide not to see that reason because it is not profitable.
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QUOTE(konakona @ Jun 13 2011, 11:47 PM)
If they can see and monitor our usage, then they can give the name to the police and submit us to the law. Simple.

But the problem is, the ISP cannot monitor the usage. It's a waste of time, resource and a beach of privacy. It is a common practice everywhere in the world to not monitor their customers activity. US tried to do it, under the influence if RIAA, but they did not succeed.
Many believe that it's impossible for an isp to monitor everyone on the internet but they don't have to do it.

All they need is to monitor the blogs and public discussion forums for those smart alecks who talks like they know everything.When they stumble upon something they don't like to see, you're in their next target list.

Kudos for those who got under their radar.

That's why public discussion forums, social sites and blogs are dangerous traps that act as nets to catch silly fishes.
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Movie sites still accessible rclxub.gif

By SUBASHINI SELVARATNAM
bytz@thestar.com.my


PETALING JAYA: The 10 file-sharing sites ordered to be blocked are still accessible to web surfers.

A check yesterday evening showed that nine of the sites could be accessed and their services utilised while the remaining one, www.duckload.com, was down due to technical difficulties. But it was also not blocked.

The websites are supposedly among the most visited by Malaysians to illegally download movies.

It had been reported that the Malaysian Communications and Multimedia Commission (MCMC) sent a letter on May 30 to all Internet service providers, ordering that the 10 sites be blocked.

The letter, among others, stated that the websites were being blocked for breaching Section 41 of the Copyright Act, which deals with pirated content.

When contacted, several ISPs were unable to comment on why the MCMC’s order had yet to be carried out.

They risk being penalised for not complying with the order.

Under Section 242 of the Commmunications and Multi­media Act, they can be fined RM100,000, jailed for not more than two years, or both.

A protest by local websurfers over the site-blocking has been growing on Twitter and Facebook. Their number came up to almost 12,000 over the past three days.

sos salah reporting

* p/s :the reporter is reporting her article with some misinformation and wrongly title. don't she know is the site is a file hosting and not a movie site. doh.gif
duckload is not down but the server was confiscated in raid in Europe with several people arrested laugh.gif .
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QUOTE(avex|mode @ Jun 13 2011, 11:10 PM)
What are they going to block next? FB and opposition blogs?
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considering people these days love to protest in facebook, i wouldn't be suprise one day they do block

» Click to show Spoiler - click again to hide... «

this is doh.gif she really doesnt know what she is writing. and yeah duckload admin got arresteed i heard, nothing to do with technical difficulties
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QUOTE(birain @ Jun 14 2011, 08:03 AM)
Movie sites still accessible rclxub.gif

» Click to show Spoiler - click again to hide... «


* p/s :the reporter is reporting her article with some misinformation and wrongly title. don't she know is the site is a file hosting and not a movie site.  doh.gif
duckload is not down but the server was confiscated in raid in Europe with several people arrested laugh.gif .
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stupid reporter needs a lobotomy.

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meanwhile in US.......

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The American government is establishing an underground Internet and mobile phone service to keep free speech alive and kicking worldwide.

Sunday the New York Times claimed that the Obama administration is leading a global effort to launch a "shadow" Internet and mobile phone service for helping rebels face against governments intent on censoring or shutting down communications to the outside world.


http://www.tomsguide.com/us/shadow-interne...news-11499.html
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QUOTE(tech3910 @ Jun 14 2011, 12:12 PM)
meanwhile in US.......
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The American government is establishing an underground Internet and mobile phone service to keep free speech alive and kicking worldwide.
Sunday the New York Times claimed that the Obama administration is leading a global effort to launch a "shadow" Internet and mobile phone service for helping rebels face against governments intent on censoring or shutting down communications to the outside world.

http://www.tomsguide.com/us/shadow-interne...news-11499.html
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imagine if Malaysia have this kind of service.. hmm.gif
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I heard that the Anonymous hackers are gonna hack Malaysia's Government Website bcoz of strict rules against the internet hmm.gif
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i'm just worried that if this order really went through, that will mean they could easily pass 100 more retarded bills like this in the future.

btw don't feed the troll ppl, he just want attention, don't give him biggrin.gif
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QUOTE(birain @ Jun 14 2011, 08:03 AM)
Movie sites still accessible rclxub.gif

By SUBASHINI SELVARATNAM
bytz@thestar.com.my


PETALING JAYA: The 10 file-sharing sites ordered to be blocked are still accessible to web surfers.

A check yesterday evening showed that nine of the sites could be accessed and their services utilised while the remaining one, www.duckload.com, was down due to technical difficulties. But it was also not blocked.

The websites are supposedly among the most visited by Malaysians to illegally download movies.

It had been reported that the Malaysian Communications and Multimedia Commission (MCMC) sent a letter on May 30 to all Internet service providers, ordering that the 10 sites be blocked.

The letter, among others, stated that the websites were being blocked for breaching Section 41 of the Copyright Act, which deals with pirated content.

When contacted, several ISPs were unable to comment on why the MCMC’s order had yet to be carried out.

They risk being penalised for not complying with the order.

Under Section 242 of the Commmunications and Multi­media Act, they can be fined RM100,000, jailed for not more than two years, or both.

A protest by local websurfers over the site-blocking has been growing on Twitter and Facebook. Their number came up to almost 12,000 over the past three days.

sos salah reporting

* p/s :the reporter is reporting her article with some misinformation and wrongly title. don't she know is the site is a file hosting and not a movie site.  doh.gif
duckload is not down but the server was confiscated in raid in Europe with several people arrested laugh.gif .
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What do you expect? These people including mcmc thinks those sites are movie downloads sites. Heck if i google for a movie download and get movie downloads result does it mean google is a pirate website too? This is what happens when stupid people are in charge.
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QUOTE(cocooh @ Jun 14 2011, 12:46 PM)
I heard that the Anonymous hackers are gonna hack Malaysia's Government Website bcoz of strict rules against the internet hmm.gif
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I also heard that on the radio. I hope they really hack the stupid MCMC website and teach them a lesson.

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