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konakona
post Jun 9 2011, 06:49 PM

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If they really want to fight piracy then there's a lot of many other ways to do it. This kind of actions only promotes it. Not to mention even countries like the USA, where most of the contents are from that country are being pirated, can't take much action.

ISP can block if they want, but business wise, I see a drop in user percentage. Not to mention downloads means money to the ISP. Following the directive could hurt their pocket.

As far as just now, I can still access aforementioned sites... Not so sure about tomorrow.
konakona
post Jun 10 2011, 11:37 AM

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Let's take this to court. LOL

QUOTE(temptation1314 @ Jun 10 2011, 02:33 AM)
That's why they should ban the internet. Google should shut down as well as they are the search engine and we know everyone uses them for piracy as well.
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Google indexes searches and if you see in their search suggestion, some words that are related to piracy is censored. It's the people who uses it, so don't blame the provider.


QUOTE(exentric_nova @ Jun 10 2011, 11:58 AM)
You are in denial. Tell me the good usages of those file hoster other than getting illegal pirated products? I see one person exchanging files from colleagues but how many people actually work with that big size of files on a daily basis? Go to the premium account seller thread. Ask ANYONE in that thread what are they using it for. I'm sure you'll have a hard time finding one with legal usage.
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There's a lot more stuff to do, piracy aside. For example, backups. Most of the file hosting service are made on this.
konakona
post Jun 10 2011, 07:29 PM

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QUOTE(kailoonthedog @ Jun 10 2011, 02:39 PM)

Added on June 10, 2011, 1:41 pm
You think they so stupid that only ban through DNS and let you all bypas so easily??Is because they want us to get cyber freedom also , the thing is they were pressure by industries.That's why they just do something on it , so that they could use the reason when those industries complain , they can say : "Dunno ar , i already block liao , the thing in our citizen too clever they bypass it , we already do our part so dun f***ing kacau us"


Added on June 10, 2011, 1:46 pm
Like that i think killing people also not illegal , but why goverment say it's illegal , why can't i've my own view but instead need to follow their rules??
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QUOTE(nerodante80 @ Jun 10 2011, 04:13 PM)
The main point is, it's not about combating piracy, it's about TM, P1, maxis etc trying to save their bandwidth so they can sell more broadband without upgrading their infrastructure.
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I wonder, but then again, if they are really serious about this, why use crappy method to block?


QUOTE(JohnLai @ Jun 10 2011, 05:59 PM)
http://thestar.com.my/news/story.asp?file=...1330&sec=nation Out in the news.
I dont agree with the action taken by MCMC and Domestic Trade, Co-operatives and Consumerism's Enforcement Division (DTCCED). First, DTCCED doesnt have the right to declare the files hosting sites as illegal. Only the Federal Court of Malaysia has the right to do so. Second, this is CLEARLY ILLEGAL action taken by MCMC and DTCCED because this is not about compliance with law. There isnt any declaration by Federal Court of Malaysia that all the listed sites are illegal in any sense. Therefore, this is a form of censorship and contradict the no censorship policy.
Therefore, MCMC and Domestic Trade, Co-operatives and Consumerism's Enforcement Division SHOULD RETRACT the blocking order.
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Tell me when the movement starts. I want to join. Sue them.
konakona
post Jun 11 2011, 01:08 PM

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QUOTE(DeniseLau @ Jun 11 2011, 01:16 AM)
Guys, if you really want to take action, send an official complain to MCMC. If sufficiently large numbers of people register their complains, we may see action taken.

Blocking these sites is plain ridiculous for multiple reasons:
- No other democratic nation in the world blocks these sites
- All of these sites offer methods to report copyright infringing materials
- All of these sites honour the copyright reporting and immediately delete such materials
- Not all the materials on these sites are copyrighted
- This is internet censorship plain and simple and goes against the principles set out in the 10 Point MSC Malaysia Bill of Guarantees
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This kind of harsh methods of blocking internet sites should not be tolerated. TAKE ACTION NOW.
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I think this should be spread. Pick a date, and we mass send this complain.

QUOTE(birain @ Jun 11 2011, 12:36 PM)
Potential savings for ISPs

KUALA LUMPUR: Internet service providers (ISPs) can potentially save more by paying less for international gateway and also reduce bandwidth congestions on their network following the instruction to block access to 10 peer-to-peer (P2P) file-sharing sites.

Analysts said more than 65% of all Internet traffic today stemmed from P2P file-sharing applications and if data consumption was lowered, it would result in ISPs paying less for their international gateway.

An international gateway allows voice and data traffic to pass through from one country to another.
John Cheah

P2P hosting sites allow users to download files such as music, movies, and games using a file sharing software that searches for other connected computers.

The Malaysian Communications and Multimedia Commission (MCMC) has received a request from the Domestic Trade, Cooperatives and Consumerism Ministry to prevent access to 10 websites that it found to have contravened the Copyright Act 1987. The commission has requested all ISPs to block access to those websites.

While ISPs could potentially stand to save more from paying high international gateway, an analyst said if the number of requests for overseas content was lower, there would not be any economies of scale resulting in service providers paying higher prices for international gateway.

He pointed out that just two months ago, Konsortium Rangkaian Serantau Sdn Bhd was set up to buy international bandwidth for Internet traffic in bulk to lower the costs of Internet protocol (IP) transit.

Concurrently, the move could also “hinder revenue” from subscribers as there are lesser means for data consumption.

It could also potentially lead to the termination of services by subscribers. Some ISPs earn additional revenue when subscribers run out of quota and decide to upgrade their broadband quotas.

A bank-backed analyst said that users would not just terminate their services just because the sites were blocked, adding that a minority group of users were hogging the bulk of network usage for such downloads.

The local service providers with their own international gateway points are Telekom Malaysia Bhd ™, Maxis Bhd, Time dotCom Bhd and U Mobile Sdn Bhd.

TM currently has control over most of the international gateways, landing points and bandwidth.

The move to filter access to those sites contradicts the Government's promise to not censor the Internet.

Under the Multimedia Super Corridor (MSC) Bill of Guarantees, the Government promises there would be no censorship of the Internet.

IDC Malaysia associate market analyst John Cheah said this move would cause some inconvenience to P2P users.

“However, there are many more P2P and direct download sites that are still easily accessible to users who are familiar with the sources.

“Hence, its effectiveness is limited to how many P2P piracy web site addresses MCMC can identify and block. Furthermore, resourceful users are able to find alternative solutions and sources to acquiring illegal content,” he said.

Cheah said content providers could look into means to “offer more competitive pricings” so as to encourage consumers to not be involved in the piracy of copyright content.

Additionally, piracy is a global problem that needs to be addressed by numerous parties both locally and internationally.”

Industry observers noted that if MCMC wanted to make an issue on tackling pirates, the best way was not to block but to co-operate and find alternative means.

“Forcibly blocking access to the website only lent more credence to online censorship which contradicts the MSC Bill of Guarantees. In fact, it is foolish to think that online censorship works. There are still many other ways for surfers to access the portal,” he said.

One observer was surprised to note that one major hosting service provider, RapidShare was not included in the list directed by MCMC to all ISPs.

They said these websites requested by MCMC to be blocked did not entirely host illegal copyright violating files. Some actually use these sites to transfer pictures and document. “People will still be able to find ways to access those websites. There are ways to easily bypass the firewall using VPN (virtual private network), proxy or paid proxy,” an analyst said.
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Seems to me like there's more coming. I mean all I can see from this action is they are thinking to save their damn money, not the consumer.

This post has been edited by konakona: Jun 11 2011, 01:09 PM
konakona
post Jun 12 2011, 03:12 PM

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QUOTE(Parrot @ Jun 12 2011, 01:41 AM)
The gomen's free trade agreement with the Americans, coupled by pressure by the RIAA and MPAA and the crummy local entertainment industry, have all pressured them into imposing such blocks. The gomen wouldn't had been as bothered about it if the Yanks hadn't knocked on their door promising riches if we open our trade routes and curb piracy, but then again, it also gives our gomen the push they need to set into motion plans for covert Internet censorship. And Najib and Rais had the balls to tell us censorship of the Internets is something they won't allow; nice job contradicting yourselves.
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Correct me if I am wrong but since when the FTA, RIAA and MPAA has anything to do with what happens outside their jurisdiction?
konakona
post Jun 12 2011, 05:33 PM

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QUOTE(totally_skint @ Jun 12 2011, 04:17 PM)
Because the members of RIAA & MPAA sell their products here in Malaysia.
So they pressure their government in their FTA with Malaysia.
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To my knowledge, FTA between Malaysia and the States are not yet implemented. Source: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Malaysia%E2%8...Trade_Agreement

QUOTE(slepth @ Jun 12 2011, 04:43 PM)
Irony.... since the sales of pirated CDs & DVDs been going strong in Malaysia since... forever

Kata peribasa:

"Kuman diseberang laut nampak, bangkai gajah depan mata tak nampak"

Stupidity beyond comparison sad.gif
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konakona
post Jun 13 2011, 11:47 PM

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QUOTE(exentric_nova @ Jun 13 2011, 10:06 PM)
ahh naive in denial. Let me explain a bit more on how this is an act against piracy.
Malaysians loves to pirate. They go to internet since they don't have to pay shit. They went into all those site to get them. They download them and be done with those site never to be entered unless they got something else to pirate.
You see, in their eyes and brains, they are supposedly trying to stop these acts of piracy. You may say whatever you want, you may justify how is that you are allowed to merompak, but the FACT is, they see how their bandwidth are being used, they see all these website being used to download nothing but pirated materials. So in their perspective they want to stop all this act of piracy since it is hogging up their bandwidth. Bandwidth running out but they're all used for illegal purposes? Which ISP on this planet going to allow it?

If they can see and monitor our usage, then they can give the name to the police and submit us to the law. Simple.

But the problem is, the ISP cannot monitor the usage. It's a waste of time, resource and a beach of privacy. It is a common practice everywhere in the world to not monitor their customers activity. US tried to do it, under the influence if RIAA, but they did not succeed.

One of the thing that gives money to ISP is bandwidth, when they use more than they are supposed to, they can get possibly more profit by selling more profit. In turn they create more bandwidth. Malaysia to be doing this is a bad way of showing how n00b they ISP are. I mean at this level they are talking about not enough bandwidth? WTH

QUOTE(exentric_nova @ Jun 13 2011, 10:06 PM)
Now for my REAL point that you do not seem to get. Try to read this and understand it. I'll use an analogy for your easier understanding. Say a hardware store that sells machete. The store is very much legal. However the cops found out one day that criminals are always buying the machetes to commit a crime from this store. And so the police instead of looking around the ACTUAL criminal, they closed the shop. Why? Because it is EASY. They don't have to do any investigative work to find those criminals. All they need to do is stop the source where the tool of crime is obtained.

And, they can buy other stuff to commit crime.

Like it or not, crime gets bigger when you suppress them. See Chicago Riot, when they ban the sell of alcohol. The effect is devastating. Now it is either their logic or our logic, and the consumers are the ones who has most power - that is if they exercise it.

QUOTE(exentric_nova @ Jun 13 2011, 10:06 PM)
As for your '100% against piracy'. MU sure I know. I've seen a lot of dead links myself. But ThePirateBay? Seriously you're digging their 100% against piracy? How many times do you think have they relocate to where the law can't touch them? You cannot believe what the government says but you believe a site filled with pirated materials they're against piracy? That is truly laughable. How about that website that has 'warez' in its name? That is like a marketplace for pirates.

Frankly, I'm hoping they get insanely serious with pirates. Get rid of those sellers, watch torrent website and bring those pirates to court. Ahh when the day comes I just sooo want to say padan muka to all those people.
What does that have anything close to do with anything I've said?
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Let's look at the basic. Why people pirate? If the supplier can see and address these problems, piracy won't be much of a problem.

There is a reason for everything, some party decide not to see that reason because it is not profitable.
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post Jun 14 2011, 05:31 PM

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Block FB, more heat. More heat, more damage. More damage, more money lost. More money loss, many up people butt hurt.

Profit!

 

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