How did Malaysian let these mentally handicapped bunch have so much power?
The next time a politician says we are a democratic country, someone should punch him in the face. This is far from democracy.
Skmm request ISP to block warez sites.
Skmm request ISP to block warez sites.
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Jun 9 2011, 08:01 PM
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How did Malaysian let these mentally handicapped bunch have so much power?
The next time a politician says we are a democratic country, someone should punch him in the face. This is far from democracy. |
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Jun 10 2011, 12:21 PM
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QUOTE(exentric_nova @ Jun 10 2011, 10:58 AM) Less customer = good for me. Less idiots. This is just assine Anyway as for govt, sure I've seen myself one person quite high up having those files. But do they download them in the office? No. Just with private corporation, they have firewalls. Think they can go to all those websites in the first place? I may not know if they do block or not, but torrents are certainly out of the picture. With all that said, just because the EMPLOYEES are doing illegal shit, that gives you permission to do so? Another idiotic comparison. How does Google have anything to do with piracy? They're just a search engine that index links automatically. Do they promote piracy? No. Heck if I recall there was a news Google was called to actually block some piracy shit. Not from it searches though. I think it was filtering for their new quick search or something. The point is, Google is not related directly to piracy, those sites are. They are either the link provider or the file provider themselves. BIG difference there. File hoster not deliberately and as far as I know, they will take down few files that probably was reported. But having mainly used for piracy here in Malaysia doesn't exactly bode well with service providers. You are in denial. Tell me the good usages of those file hoster other than getting illegal pirated products? I see one person exchanging files from colleagues but how many people actually work with that big size of files on a daily basis? Go to the premium account seller thread. Ask ANYONE in that thread what are they using it for. I'm sure you'll have a hard time finding one with legal usage. Technically file hosting isn't illegal. There are many MMO companies that use them to host game clients. If something isn't illegal, you cannot claim its illegal just because of your misguided conception that you have the authority of defining whats illegal and what isn't. Who voted you to decide what's legal and whats not? Thats right, no one. So unless you can prove that what they are doing is in breach of any rules, you cannot claim that they are illegal. And secondly, you are in favor of internet censorship? Do you know what are the fundamental rights that should be guaranteed under democracy? ISP is a service provider, they should not interfere with how its customer uses the internet. What gives them and the government such power to overrule people's rights and freedom? And finally, intellectual property protection is a civil case. Why must everyone including the government and ISP bent over backwards to server the RIAA and MPAA? How can those company, just another ordinary cooperation mind you, have so much power over everyone else? How can you block access to a site without trial? Guilty until proven otherwise? What a tool |
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Jun 10 2011, 01:47 PM
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QUOTE(kailoonthedog @ Jun 10 2011, 01:39 PM) You cannot blame goverment , they can do nothing because they were pressure by software and movie industries like hollywood or tvb for allowing their citizen to view free video and use crack software freely.They need to do something else big things can happen.We already very lucky because cyber law not really very stringent , other advance country early already implement this , didn't you see so many torrent site being strip down already?Example like mininova , our Malaysian still so ignorant and dunno what happen in the world and now continue to complain. If the government is so weak that they have to give in to the recording industry, boy I hope they don't get voted back into office in the coming election Added on June 10, 2011, 1:41 pmIf they really wan earn $$ through this way , early they already ban facebook la , and then call you all go use malaysia social networking site http://www.rilek.net/sn/ , and force you all to pay and use it , like that they earn more la.Why din they do so because they nt blocking those warez site to earn $$ ,but because they want stop piracy due to pressure by those industries.Facebook also doesnt contain any piracy stuff and it's free and just a site where people socialize , that's why it still running.If you go china they ban facebook ,that's their own goverment decision , but not because facebook say they din pay to use and use piracy facebook so goverment ban Its our country, the government can just tell the RIAA and MPAA to go pound sand. Malaysia doesn't belong to them Added on June 10, 2011, 1:49 pm QUOTE(kailoonthedog @ Jun 10 2011, 01:39 PM) Like that i think killing people also not illegal , but why goverment say it's illegal , why can't i've my own view but instead need to follow their rules?? Huh? That was my point broJust because his own misguided opinion says its illegal, doesn't make them illegal. There are no rules that say file hosting services is illegal, so no matter what he thinks, his opinion doesn't justify this horrible internet censorship This post has been edited by Hornet: Jun 10 2011, 01:49 PM |
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Jun 10 2011, 05:15 PM
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QUOTE(JohnLai @ Jun 10 2011, 04:59 PM) http://thestar.com.my/news/story.asp?file=...1330&sec=nation Out in the news. If only our politicians have half that amount of common sense I dont agree with the action taken by MCMC and Domestic Trade, Co-operatives and Consumerism's Enforcement Division (DTCCED). First, DTCCED doesnt have the right to declare the files hosting sites as illegal. Only the Federal Court of Malaysia has the right to do so. Second, this is CLEARLY ILLEGAL action taken by MCMC and DTCCED because this is not about compliance with law. There isnt any declaration by Federal Court of Malaysia that all the listed sites are illegal in any sense. Therefore, this is a form of censorship and contradict the no censorship policy. Therefore, MCMC and Domestic Trade, Co-operatives and Consumerism's Enforcement Division SHOULD RETRACT the blocking order. |
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Jun 11 2011, 12:22 PM
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I don't understand why internet censorship isn't taken seriously here. The media go on talking about saving bandwidth and other horse sh!t and nobody mentioned that we are practicing internet censorship
Malaysian needs to wake up and see whats really going on. This is not about combating piracy or saving up for another yacht or a Ferrari for TM's CEO. This is about the government taking away our freedom. No form of internet censorship should be tolerated by anyone, and sadly many people don't even see whats going on QUOTE(wongth7 @ Jun 11 2011, 12:21 PM) Authorities who are controlled by the government. I doubt it will helpI saw we vote them out of the office This post has been edited by Hornet: Jun 11 2011, 12:23 PM |
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Jun 12 2011, 11:44 PM
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QUOTE(myandylai @ Jun 12 2011, 10:50 PM) The best way to counter piracy was to offer more legal, legitimate or original online contents, like Netflix, Hulu, Vudu etc at the US. Blocking file hosting service like Fileserve, Megaupload etc simply because it hold non-legitimate contents post by it users is like banning storage media like hard drive, flash drive, memory card etc because users also can store non-legitimate contents in it. hardly have anything to do with combating piracy. its just a step in internet censorshipI hope the SKMM would reconsider their counter measure on fighting piracy with a more open minded way. (but of course if the current matter have anything to do with piracy at all) Thanks for reading. If we allow them to do this unopposed, you can bet next they are going to block all pornographic website on morals ground. Hell they might even start blocking any website or blogs that oppose the government on grounds that it threatens the harmony of the country. This is the very reason why many people in other country strongly oppose any government plans on having internet filter or other control over websites. Once you allow the government to take one step, they are not going to stop. The internet is something that no government should have any control over. This post has been edited by Hornet: Jun 12 2011, 11:44 PM |
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Jun 13 2011, 12:40 PM
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QUOTE(exentric_nova @ Jun 13 2011, 01:38 AM) It is combating act of piracy not internet censorship. Read it. A censorship is done on something legal, this is done based on something illegal. You really believe the government will stop there?The problem is, is it the correct way of combating piracy? They're choosing the HARDEST way to combat piracy; through internet while physical piracy still runs rampat at most pasar malam, roadside and even shopping malls. In the end, its probably TMNet not happy most of it user are hogging all the bandwidth with pirated materials. |
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Jun 13 2011, 01:33 PM
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QUOTE(automan5891 @ Jun 13 2011, 12:46 PM) See lah youi all so big mouth. Now I also susah. You really think tmnet don't know about it? Their engineers knows about it and they know its common knowledge. Any network engineer who doesn't know how DNS works needs to burn their certificate and kill themself. TMnet knows, they know we know, they have their own reason why they choose to use this method. We have to keep in mind that unless they cut off the internet entirely, there is no 100% method to block any website. There are many free VPN out there for browsing even if they really want to block something. They know its a waste of time and money. Maybe TMnet just wants to shut SKMM's mouth. SKMM cannot complain its ineffective because there is NO method that can be 100% effective. |
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Jun 13 2011, 09:27 PM
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QUOTE(exentric_nova @ Jun 13 2011, 09:06 PM) You believe its to combat piracy, the rest of us knows thats just a load of horse sh!tEven a retard could understand that blocking website is not going to stop anything. This has internet control written all over it. The government is not going to just block those site, we all know that makes no difference. Its just a first step in internet censorship. There is nothing to stop them from eventually blocking pornographic website, political blogs and so on, because this gives the government to manipulate our access to the internet and this is wrong. Maybe you are fine with that, maybe you think piracy is such an important issue, that corporate is more important than everyone else that we must lose our freedom, bent over backwards and let them do anything they wants, I can't change your opinion. But for the rest of us, I think we still love our freedom. Internet should be left alone. No one has the rights to tell me what sites I can and cannot access. |
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Jun 14 2011, 08:00 PM
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Son of b!tches started to block the sites already.
Anyone remember a small free browser proxy program last time? Where we run it and it will load up Internet Explorer that will function using a proxy or something. It was created for China or Iran people, but available free online. |
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Jun 14 2011, 08:02 PM
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QUOTE(rayfoo @ Jun 14 2011, 07:54 PM) We need the opposition to jump on the issue first.So far we haven't heard anything, but I hope they will come out and voice against this. If they do, then all Malaysian will realize what is going on. Right now, very few people realize what is going on. And the media has been sugar coating it, they never mention that this is an internet censorship. They are trying to make it look like a good thing. Sad Added on June 14, 2011, 8:02 pm QUOTE(Racerx @ Jun 14 2011, 08:01 PM) Thank you bro This post has been edited by Hornet: Jun 14 2011, 08:02 PM |
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Jun 14 2011, 09:04 PM
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Jun 14 2011, 11:34 PM
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QUOTE(Zi-Tech @ Jun 14 2011, 11:27 PM) this is bullshit.... totally bullshit.... tut tut tut... Sadly no one is questioning MCMC move here.they cannot block any web.... this is not comply with msc act right??? The Star newspaper can even check those website and tries to contact the ISP to ask why they can still access the website. Our country's media have their head so high up their a$$ they are probably seeing out of their throat. How can the media even support MCMC on this matter? Its a classic example of media access censorship. |
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Jun 15 2011, 12:08 PM
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QUOTE(masashi89 @ Jun 15 2011, 07:02 AM) What is this, I don't even... Bro, you should see a psychiatrist QUOTE(lwk523 @ Jun 15 2011, 12:06 PM) Many companies use VPN for many things from allowing workers to work from home, to multi-national companies connection to their own network across the world. We can't just black all VPNIf they block specific ones, the provider just need to change the IP address or something. This post has been edited by Hornet: Jun 15 2011, 12:12 PM |
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Jun 15 2011, 07:44 PM
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Jun 15 2011, 11:28 PM
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QUOTE(daylight_dancer @ Jun 15 2011, 10:30 PM) This sudden blocking is making me sick. Someone needs to seriously question the government about this. Instead, the press has been licking the government's a$s. They don't bother to contact Najib and ask him whats with that empty promise he so heroic made about the gov don't censorship internet. The sites they block are all legal site, and this is also another point no one is asking the government or MCMC.What happened to the promise made that the internet would never be censored? LIARS. Look, I'm not one to believe anything, but come on! Here I am, doing my research for a paper I have to present, and some of the notes are on some of the sites, in PDF. And guess what I CAN'T download them. (well, if you must know, ofcourse I did the whole DNS thing, but still, very inconvenient). And they wonder why the majority of votes are slipping away. Morons. I'm using it to freakin' STUDY. While you're at it take the away the internet altogether. Send us back to the ice age. I wonder what would happen if those Anonymous dudes actually manage to do the hacking. Now, excuse me while I continue cursing on every site I can find. Unfortunately none of the media is pressuring the government. Useless bunch of press. |
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Jun 16 2011, 11:53 AM
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QUOTE(klseet @ Jun 16 2011, 09:19 AM) If I may add, the immediate question is, does MCMC has the discrete power to decide & declare which site is illegal, then give discrete order to block without going some kind of house debate and/or court decision? ExactlyI really hope this is not another case of power abused, if it happend once, it will happen again. Soon we probably can only access www.XXX.my only, or perhaps SKMM is the only ISP here ...... It seem like the present governing bodies only interested in blocking, they have no interest to understand & analyse why Malaysian tend to download, and why many others do not come & download from us. We import more than export, this is the fact now. But what have the government done to increase & improve our local contain to attract others? This useless blocking technique not only distance us away from the rest, it further discourage & drive away many local contain development. SKMM, please look at a bigger picture, you don't own the world, you just have to work with the world. You are simply asking for more trouble by keep blocking other people sites, please wake up !! There are no rules that state those file hosting sites are illegal, so how can anyone claim they are illegal? This is an internet censorship that don't even have the law to back it up. We have a bunch of mentally handicapped people up there running things |
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Jun 16 2011, 01:53 PM
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QUOTE(deathninjax @ Jun 16 2011, 12:22 PM) hello. is there a way to bypass the block on celcom wireless broadband? i've tried google DNS and openDNS but no dice. still cant access the blocked website. Try using Ultrasurf. Its a free software that allows your browser to work through a proxy, and you can brows any website that are blocked |
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Jun 16 2011, 08:28 PM
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QUOTE(tech_frix @ Jun 18 2011, 11:11 AM) the ppls that sent d complaint about the sites are from OUR LOCAL MUSIC/MOVIE INDUSTRY... What? So you just listen to some crack head complain and you simple implement something that doesn't have any legal basis? Full of sh*t, bro.d govt act base on d report only... go blame to the artist for this...and read more newspaper ya? Don't be a government apologist. They are responsible for every action that they take, it is their responsibility to ensure that they are taking the right move, not just blindly do something. If they are that dumb, then they shouldn't be in charge of our country. |
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