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Evogenix
post Dec 31 2005, 01:52 AM

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i just ngam ngam want to strat tongue.gif
wanna know, nirox 2800 got enough power to push the water thro 1block and 2 rad???

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post Dec 31 2005, 12:18 PM

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Very short answer to that based on experience

No, you need a higher head pressure pump to overcome the ressistance in flow.
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post Dec 31 2005, 01:06 PM

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someone want to sell BIX radiator or heatercore here??? rolleyes.gif
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QUOTE(uzairi @ Dec 31 2005, 01:37 AM)
ikan_semilang : Bored with water already ker ?
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Hehe...no time to take care. Maybe want to try dry ice... tongue.gif

QUOTE(almostthere @ Dec 31 2005, 12:18 PM)
Very short answer to that based on experience

No, you need a higher head pressure pump to overcome the ressistance in flow.
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Nirox P2800 supposed to be a high pressure pump, so no problem when using it. laugh.gif
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post Dec 31 2005, 07:55 PM

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QUOTE(ikan_semilang @ Dec 31 2005, 01:07 PM)
Hehe...no time to take care. Maybe want to try dry ice...  tongue.gif
Nirox P2800 supposed to be a high pressure pump, so no problem when using it. laugh.gif
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kawan nirox P2800 punya HMaz 1.25m camtuh jer...tak kuat langsung wo. My Cyber Aqua does 3m and is a world of difference
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post Jan 1 2006, 12:18 PM

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wanna ask a question to you guys notworthy.gif

a fast water flow can repert a cycle in very fast time,
a slow water flow can takes more heat to the rad in every cycle.


i know sometime the performance is based on the design of a water block. So i listed out 3 blocks for discussion :

1. DD : TDX
2. DD : RBX
3. Asetek Waterchill:: Antartica

Based on your own exp and opinions,
Might to give me some ideas on waterblock in the list above like fast or slow water flow??? why???

Evogenix

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post Jan 2 2006, 12:12 AM

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QUOTE(Evogenix @ Jan 1 2006, 12:18 PM)
wanna ask a question to you guys notworthy.gif

a fast water flow can repert a cycle in very fast time,
a slow water flow can takes more heat to the rad in every cycle.


i know sometime the performance is based on the design of a water block. So i listed out 3 blocks for discussion :

1. DD : TDX
2. DD : RBX
3. Asetek Waterchill:: Antartica

Based on your own exp and opinions,
Might to give me some ideas on waterblock in the list above like fast or slow water flow??? why???

Evogenix
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Sorry Evo, most of us don't have the liberty of having those 3 w/blocks at one time or one at a time sweat.gif , if i'm not mistaken there are some reviews or round up/shoot out for those three w/blocks somewhere in the net.

And I think most of the tips and tricks regarding w/blocks, pumps etc. are already there in the pinned section compiled by the sargeant.

O.T.: and soon... metalzone bulk will complete, and this w/cooling comunity expands... fresh meat, fresh meat, fresh meat... ooppss whistling.gif
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post Jan 2 2006, 03:09 AM

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CPU WaterBlocks

1. Swifteh Storm - 75USD - this is the top performing waterblock currently in retail. It is better suited to more powerful pumps, but still performs well with low flow/power pumps.

2. Swiftech MCW6002/6000 - 45USD - for low power/flow pumps these waterblocks are top performers.. with moderate restriction these waterblocks matched with low power pumps will net decent flow to allow usage of a second waterblock

3. Cooltechnica MP-05 - 50-65USD - a high restriction waterblock with excelent performance. while it does not outperform the Storm per pump power, its lower pricetag makes it an attractive choice.

4. Danger Den TDX - 52USD - while a good waterblock, it is not an optimum choice of waterblock for a high or low power pump system. I list it merely for completeness of the guide.

5. Danger Den RBX - 52USD - Again, a good waterblock, but not worth considering unless you have some desire for a 3 barb waterblock.

6. WhiteWater LE (all coper version) - 44USD - Origionaly designed by Cathar, this 3 barb waterblock performs well, but uses a dated design and is not optimal for maximum performance.

taken from my tips and tricks sticky..pretty accurate analysis
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post Jan 3 2006, 01:16 AM

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moderno... have an advice ka?


Problem 1
Tight space when converted to SLi mode. Any ideas to improve? Thinking to upgraded the GPU heatsink... idea lost........ oops.gif

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Problem 2
I'm using TT BW SE.. Planning to upgraded to Volcano SE.. I dunno whether the casing will fit or not... It will be like Mitsubishi EVO 9 front bonnet i guest... Compact!!!!!!

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Problem 3
SATA management looks ridiculous right? I have 'sorok' all the wires as I could... But the result? Most of the power cables stucked at the front 120mm airflow [in] route... Haiya... pening lor... cry.gif

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Problem 4
Wire management. Rasa macam nak menangis dude.. Dont know what else the way to hide all the excess wires. Already 'selit' some wire under MOBO althought it so tight and sempit..

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its make me pening doh.gif
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but sometime it feels good to release my tension when looking it..... not the messy wires! grumble.gif cry.gif brows.gif laugh.gif

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QUOTE(almostthere @ Dec 31 2005, 07:55 PM)
kawan nirox P2800 punya HMaz 1.25m camtuh jer...tak kuat langsung wo. My Cyber Aqua does 3m and is a world of difference
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where u get the cyber aqua water pump??And how much aslo?? cool.gif
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QUOTE(almostthere @ Jan 2 2006, 03:09 AM)
CPU WaterBlocks

1. Swifteh Storm - 75USD - this is the top performing waterblock currently in retail. It is better suited to more powerful pumps, but still performs well with low flow/power pumps.

2. Swiftech MCW6002/6000 - 45USD - for low power/flow pumps these waterblocks are top performers.. with moderate restriction these waterblocks matched with low power pumps will net decent flow to allow usage of a second waterblock

3. Cooltechnica MP-05 - 50-65USD - a high restriction waterblock with excelent performance. while it does not outperform the Storm per pump power, its lower pricetag makes it an attractive choice.

4. Danger Den TDX - 52USD - while a good waterblock, it is not an optimum choice of waterblock for a high or low power pump system. I list it merely for completeness of the guide.

5. Danger Den RBX - 52USD - Again, a good waterblock, but not worth considering unless you have some desire for a 3 barb waterblock.

6. WhiteWater LE (all coper version) - 44USD - Origionaly designed by Cathar, this 3 barb waterblock performs well, but uses a dated design and is not optimal for maximum performance.

taken from my tips and tricks sticky..pretty accurate analysis
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sweat.gif sweat.gif .... So far the best w/block in terms of availability, bang for bucks, and design is still Swifty Storm G4 by Cathar/Stu.... A G5 Little River is a bit beyond my reach...

QUOTE(JZZZZZ @ Jan 3 2006, 02:01 PM)
where u get the cyber aqua water pump??And how much aslo?? cool.gif
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JZZZZZ, welcome to the watercooling comunity thumbup.gif ... The Cyber Aqua is a pond pump, which you can get at most aquarium shops... it's an ok pump but I'm not recommending it to newbies, cause of the 70W heat dump, oni in the hand of an old skool watercooler can it be fully utilized... you have to innovate your ways in dispersing the heat dump.

Oh, by the way i've just got back my VGA from RMA.. now to finish the Storm G4 test... watch this space.

O.T.: HEY! HEY! we've got our own xtreme cooling sub forums now thumbup.gif thumbup.gif thanx soul brader.

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QUOTE(sniper on the roof @ Dec 4 2005, 10:44 PM)
Looks like most ppl also got their storms oledi but still no proper reports yet?
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QUOTE(almostthere @ Dec 4 2005, 11:54 PM)
Idle 38C and load 41C anyone for ambient temps of 25C?
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And my results are:

1. At house 32C ambient
Storm G4, BIX 2, D4 Pump. 2600+ MXp oced till 2.535G at 1.664Vcore.
Idle (sorry no pics) 40C
Load =
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2. In office 19C ambient
Settings Same as No. 1.
Idle =
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Load =
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WEIRD!!!!!! but i'd luv it... still remember last time for me to get around that clock=
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Still testing in progress.. I just can't figure it out why the idle temp's a bit on the high side.. but the load temps are delicious in both casses.
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post Jan 4 2006, 12:10 PM

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QUOTE(amok @ Jan 4 2006, 11:16 AM)
And my results are:

1.  At house 32C ambient
    Storm G4, BIX 2, D4 Pump. 2600+ MXp oced till 2.535G at 1.664Vcore.
    Idle (sorry no pics) 40C
    Load =


2. In office 19C ambient
    Settings Same as No. 1.
    Idle  =

WEIRD!!!!!! but i'd luv it... still remember last time for me to get around that clock=
Still testing in progress.. I just can't figure it out why the idle temp's a bit on the high side.. but the load temps are delicious in both casses.
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very nice results!! was planning on getting that waterblock....how does it compare to the time when you're on air cooling? wat radiator you using?? got setup pic? smile.gif
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QUOTE(sidewinderz @ Jan 4 2006, 12:10 PM)
very nice results!! was planning on getting that waterblock....how does it compare to the time when you're on air cooling? wat radiator you using?? got setup pic? smile.gif
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sorry.. it's an OEM proc so no heat sink, just jamn it up with a MAZE 4 previously. Radiator? BIX2 (Black Ice Xtreme 2) + 2 x NMB 120mm Fans. Set up Pic? aiyah malulah, ... i'm no bling2 guy, posted pics a few pages back but since in good mood here it is again.

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and here is the current result, a drop of 2C, this is natural due to the arctic silver's settlin in... and whoot!!! 2.6G @ 32C!!!

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bro amok : what type of coolant u used there?

and btw...i know this thing have been discussed in the previous post...but just wanna ask again...

which is more better flow in here? : --->

Pump -> Radiator -> CPU -> Reservoir

or

Pump -> CPU -> Radiator - > Reservoir
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@moderno : If u have a powerfull pumps like the MCP series flex.gif then u can opt for the Pump -> Radiator -> CPU -> Reservoir since this setup would kill the pump's preassure. The other way round with those generic pumps u might as well choose the Pump -> CPU -> Radiator - > Reservoir
configuration to prevent preassure loss. rolleyes.gif

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anather question :
if a powerful pump under high preassure for 24/7 usage, will this reduce its lifespan?

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QUOTE(uzairi @ Jan 4 2006, 04:41 PM)
@moderno : If u have a powerfull pumps like the MCP series  flex.gif  then u can opt for the Pump -> Radiator -> CPU -> Reservoir since this setup would kill the pump's preassure. The other way round with those generic pumps u might as well choose the  Pump -> CPU -> Radiator - > Reservoir
configuration to prevent preassure loss.  rolleyes.gif
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but asetek do recommend Pump -> Radiator -> CPU -> Reservoir for the Hydor L02 series pump there...... camana pulak ek.. doh.gif
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QUOTE(moderno @ Jan 4 2006, 04:16 PM)
Q1. bro amok : what type of coolant u used there?

Q2. which is more better flow in here? : --->

Pump -> Radiator -> CPU -> Reservoir or Pump -> CPU -> Radiator - > Reservoir
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A1. one caps of hydraX + 2 litre uv filtered water.
A2. Read This Link (I think sniper did post this link a few pages back)

QUOTE(Evogenix @ Jan 4 2006, 04:55 PM)
anather question :
if a powerful pump under high preassure for 24/7 usage, will this reduce its lifespan?

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No. it won't. The pump will last forever and ever, it will out lived you, your grandchildren and their grandchildren and their..... biggrin.gif .. joking oni.. each pump came with a lifespan per rated usage, e.g. 50,000 hrs etc. (come to think of it it's just like those hsf).. and each pump are design for specific work which is shown by their Qmax (flow max) and Hmax (Heads Max), if it is being use to do work greater than the max Q or H, it just can't do it, simple as that.. so regarding lifespan, let say it's rated 50,000 hrs then 50,000 hrs it is wheter ON 24/7 or once a week or once a month or once every full moon, lifespan still 50,000 hrs.. I took the liberty of answering this question cause i don't think it's been asked berfore. rolleyes.gif

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QUOTE(moderno @ Jan 4 2006, 06:58 PM)
Q3but asetek do recommend Pump -> Radiator -> CPU -> Reservoir for the Hydor L02 series pump there...... camana pulak ek.. doh.gif
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A3 same as A2

okay, now for some serious shite... this is I think is the final OCed result from my G4 rig cause don't think my Ram can go any further and the proc is near the ramp voltage.

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idle...

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Can't say it's a 5C rise from idle when oc'ed cause observe the system temp.. a 2C rise (cause of sudden rain this afternoon)

neway, this is what i used to have when using the Maze4 wblock (with the same pump and rad)

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Conclusion... if those who'd thinking of upgrading their w/block, well this is the "Block". For those who'd like to try watercooling.. this block is worth looking at and think of it as an investment... dang i'd felt like a newbie w/cooler when got the result of this G4.. duhhh..

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