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Update by 27-AUG-2011

BNM is expected to take new measures to further control the use of credit, including a requirement for a second or more credit card must be presented two months of payroll!

It is understood, the National Bank and commercial banks who have been meeting to discuss the new measures; expected that the new regulations will be included in published October 7, 2012 Budget.

Credit card sales agents and Effective Synergy Sdn Bhd managing director Chen Hanguo that in the past, the National Bank first credit card application is only required to produce those two months of payroll, for a second or third time just goes to identity cards certified copies.

Income customers are willing to open

"Unless the customer a great need for a second or third credit card, otherwise the new measures will certainly affect the credit of the source, because many customers are reluctant to open their own income."

Chenhan Guo said that since the beginning of the year, deteriorating credit card business agency staff; BNM Strict new measures will give them the credit card business worse.

4,000 salesman forced to change jobs

"The government announced in RM3, 000 the following year, the national income can not hold more than two cards of the measures has resulted in 60% of the credit card agency closed down, there are 4,000 salesman forced to change jobs.

"In the 2008 peak of about 80 credit agency, but only about 12."

"The industry has more than 80% of sales are ethnic Chinese, most are not well educated, looking to switch to a monthly income of 3,000 to 4,000 ringgit is not easy."

Chen Hanguo also pointed out that since the government credit card services from the tax levy last year, Credit Card Holders from the 2009 peak of 960 million people in 2010 fell to 7.5 million as of June 2011, further reduced to 7.4 million .

In this year announced the following income limits RM3, 000 people who can not hold more than two cards of the measures, resulting in this period, 60% of credit card sales company closed down, there are 4,000 salesman forced to change jobs.

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post Mar 18 2011, 02:52 PM

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hehehe....card credit no more......
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post Mar 18 2011, 03:03 PM

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got 2 choices

1. get a new job which u earn more than 3k per month (must be more than rm3000 or rm3001 will do)
2. choose which card is giving u more rebate instead of benefit. if anyone tied up with the installment plan or balance transfer, then choose that card.

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post Mar 18 2011, 03:08 PM

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I m more interest to know for those whose income is more than RM36K per annum, does it affected?

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so far based on the bnm guidelines .. no..
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Man ... i wondered how is this going to affect those who got their credit cards using an existing credit card as reference. I mean how do they determine one is earning below RM36k per annum. Everything is just so vague now.
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Another news just came in. No more sudden credit limit increase and we'll soon all have to key-in our PIN number to buy something with our credit cards.

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For those earning below 36k pa. In order to clear their Credit Cards Debts, does this means, that BNM is encouraging them to go for more ie Personal Loan to settle their Credit Cards Debts.

OR

BNM will negotiate on behalf each individual with the Banks to turned their Credit Cards Debts into a Fixed Long Terms Loan, which means a Fix Interest%.

OR

BNM will still charged for the only allowed Credit Cards(Max 2 Credit Cards) the GST + while still paying the Credit Cards that turn to Fixed Long Terms Loan.



I wish someone can enlighten me for my queries ? Thanks
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post Mar 18 2011, 05:08 PM

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Does it affect the existing card holder?
Like decreasing the CL to 2 times the salary only? =.=


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QUOTE(den @ Mar 18 2011, 05:08 PM)
Does it affect the existing card holder?
Like decreasing the CL to 2 times the salary only? =.=
Yes

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what if already got more than 2 cards?

what happen to the extra cards?
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QUOTE(gastacopz @ Mar 18 2011, 05:45 PM)
what if already got more than 2 cards?

what happen to the extra cards?
You'll have until the end of this year to choose which two credit cards you want to keep.
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QUOTE(MilesAndMore @ Mar 18 2011, 05:48 PM)
You'll have until the end of this year to choose which two credit cards you want to keep.
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You still can have more than 2 cards, provided they are from the same issuer.

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Cardholders can only hold credit cards from a maximum of two issuers.

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Now that they are going to restrict the number of cards, they should remove the not-very-effective system of charging RM50 per card.

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QUOTE(howszat @ Mar 18 2011, 08:14 PM)
Now that they are going to restrict the number of cards, they should remove the not-very-effective system of charging RM50 per card.
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You are not doing enough IMO. Nowadays, a lot are earning slightly more than 36k per annum but having over 100k CL with various banks. You should target these as well.


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QUOTE(bingozero @ Mar 18 2011, 02:39 PM)
Ref No: 03/11/06

Embargo: Not for publication or broadcast before 2011-03-18 12:00:00 hours on , 2011-03-18 12:00:00 2011-03-18 12:00:00

New Measures on Credit Cards to Promote Prudent Financial Management and Responsible Business Practices

Bank Negara Malaysia wishes to announce new measures on credit cards in continuous efforts to inculcate sound financial and debt management among credit card users. These measures are also aimed to promote fair and responsible business practices by credit card issuers with further enhancements in the cards security infrastructure.

With immediate effect, the eligibility requirements for credit cards are revised as follows:

The minimum income eligibility for new credit card holders is set at RM24,000 per annum;
For cardholders earning RM36,000 per annum and less, the following would be applicable:

Cardholders can only hold credit cards from a maximum of two issuers.
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The maximum credit limit extended to a cardholder shall not exceed two times their monthly income per issuer.
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Card issuers will engage with the affected cardholders to assist them in restructuring their repayments to facilitate the smooth implementation of this measure. In addition, cardholders can also seek the assistance of Agensi Kaunseling dan Pengurusan Kredit (AKPK) for advice on their debt management.

Responsible Business Practices in Provision of Credit Cards

Credit card issuers are required to adopt fair, transparent and responsible approach in marketing and offering of credit cards to consumers. Issuers are not allowed to increase cardholders' credit limit without obtaining their consent. Issuers are also not allowed to offer a credit advance in the form of cheque payable to the cardholders unless the cardholders have requested for the credit advance.

To facilitate consumers in making comparison and informed decisions, card issuers are required to provide a Product Disclosure Sheet that contains key information on the card's features, fees and obligations of the cardholders. Issuers are also required to display prominently alerts to communicate to cardholders the implications of meeting only minimum and partial repayments. At the end of each year, customised information on how long it will take to fully pay off the cardholder's outstanding balance and the total interest costs if the cardholder only makes minimum repayment will be issued to each cardholder. This will be effective for annual statements issued from December 2011.

Further Enhancements to Credit Card Infrastructure Security

In the effort to further enhance credit card security and to promote public confidence in the usage of credit cards as a safe payment instrument, effective 1 January 2012, transaction alerts via Short Messaging Service (SMS) will be implemented by card issuers for their cardholders after transactions are performed. This will be followed by the implementation of the Personal Identification Number (PIN) verification for all card transactions from 1 January 2015 onwards.

For further information on the new credit card guidelines, members of the public can contact ABM Connect at 1-300-88-9980, the contact centres of their respective card issuers and Bank Negara Malaysia's Telelink at 1-300-88-5465.


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http://www.bnm.gov.my/index.php?ch=8&pg=14&ac=2226
Conclusion, which 2 credit card should you stay with if income RM36,000 per annum or less?
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I would say overall good move by BNM as many people really don't know how to control spending.

Looks like I have 2 choices:

(1) Keep OCBC and MBB 2 only.
(2) go back to work just so that I can have more than 2 CC.

Does it applies to charge card?

Actually, the move will make the credit card more competitive and we expect better offers in the coming months when the banks start to come out with new promotions just to retain their customers.

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I assume no change to charge cards with this new ruling?

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If basic salary <RM36k p.a. but EA >RM36k p.a. due to bonus, does it apply?
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Now I am waiting for the bank come out with more benefit for their own credit card brows.gif
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At this point of time, which bank dare to say "5% cashback everyday, subject to maximum RM500 each month", he is the clear winner. LOL.
Oh ya, it must also grant unlimited access to LCCT/KLIA Lounges, provide travel insurance and purchase protection. tongue.gif
Just dreaming..

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How to know the existing cardholder income?
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Simple, anybody who does not submit or pay Income Tax will be considered earning less than RM36K
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QUOTE(Gen-X @ Mar 18 2011, 10:51 PM)
Simple, anybody who does not submit or pay Income Tax will be considered earning less than RM36K
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That will have to have cooperation from LHDN then sweat.gif
Is our Gov that efficient?
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QUOTE(Gen-X @ Mar 18 2011, 10:51 PM)
Simple, anybody who does not submit or pay Income Tax will be considered earning less than RM36K
I am following the news closely. I'm at risk of losing my Citibank VISA and Maybankard 2 now sad.gif

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QUOTE(MilesAndMore @ Mar 18 2011, 11:01 PM)
I am following the news closely. I'm at risk of losing my Citibank VISA and Maybankard 2 now  sad.gif
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don't worry too much lah, we are in Bolehland tongue.gif Banks will sure appeal and I am sure there will be exceptions like for Private/Privilege Banking and pledging against FD.
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QUOTE(MilesAndMore @ Mar 18 2011, 04:07 PM)
Another news just came in. No more sudden credit limit increase and we'll soon all have to key-in our PIN number to buy something with our credit cards.

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I really doubt this will work out fine...
Even receiving TAC for online billing is slow, I wonder what will happen since every seconds there might be at least 50 ppl be swiping their card from the same issuer... During weekend, I'm sure there will be a lot of delay...

Imagine a long ling queue at supermarket counter with people waiting for PIN from the bank through SMS... hmm.gif
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QUOTE(Gen-X @ Mar 18 2011, 11:08 PM)
don't worry too much lah, we are in Bolehland  tongue.gif Banks will sure appeal and I am sure there will be exceptions like for Private/Privilege Banking and pledging against FD.
The problem is i don't have any money in Citibank and Maybank. I got their credit cards using my HSBC credit card as reference sad.gif Hopefully they will automatically put me in the above RM36k income group. Then i got nothing to worry anymore biggrin.gif

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QUOTE(MilesAndMore @ Mar 18 2011, 11:20 PM)
The problem is i don't have any money in Citibank and Maybank. I got their credit cards using my HSBC credit card as reference  sad.gif  Hopefully they will automatically put me in the above RM36k income group. Then i got nothing to worry anymore  biggrin.gif
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still not a problem bro, you can have two cards (well maybe 3 since MBB2 = 1). Actually, MBB 2 + another card would be just about right for most people, the problem in our case is the 2 x monthly salary = 2 x 0 = 0 credit limit, hahaha
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QUOTE(Gen-X @ Mar 18 2011, 11:28 PM)
still not a problem bro, you can have two cards (well maybe 3 since MBB2 = 1). Actually, MBB 2 + another card would be just about right for most people,
I plan to have 4 credit cards by the end of the year actually. Maybankard 2 cards from Maybank, Citibank VISA and OCBC Titanium MasterCard (assume everything goes as i hoped). Now it is all KIV for me.


QUOTE(Gen-X @ Mar 18 2011, 11:28 PM)
Actually, MBB 2 + another card would be just about right for most people, the problem in our case is the 2 x monthly salary = 2 x 0 = 0 credit limit, hahaha
Yeah. This is yet another problem. Assume they put me in the under RM36k income category. Both Citibank and Maybank will have to decrease my credit limit by as much as 90%. OH MY GOD cry.gif

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I think this statement needs to clarified whether it was limited to two cards per person or just two issuing bank per person in one time.

I believe the usage of PIN at 2015 would be similar to present MEPS system that you needs to key-in the PIN into the card reader console . Honestly, I think the measure is good to reduce the risk of being stolen or misplaced card
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QUOTE(johnnyc @ Mar 18 2011, 11:43 PM)
I think this statement needs to clarified whether it was limited to two cards per person or just two issuing bank per person in one time.

I believe the usage of PIN at 2015 would be similar to present MEPS system that you needs to key-in the PIN into the card reader console . Honestly, I think the measure is good to reduce the risk of being stolen or misplaced card
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There's another initiative that the credit card system developer is pushing thru to have TAC for online credit card transaction. so everytime you do transaction, bank will deliver some code for you to input at the online shopping page.
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wow, so fast you guys heard the news.
You guys are really informative.

Anyway, I see where they are coming from. They try to discourage "low income" earners living on credit, which the low income now had been termed as annual income less than 24k.

But the way they are forcing the banks to implement/enforce it is rather hard. Because in one hand they are stating customer rights, but on the other hand, they are forcing banks to be the "bad" guy for terminating customer's card. sweat.gif

And one thing about Malaysian declared income is seriously out. Malaysian as malaysian, many has "outside" income which is not declared. If you guys have the access to CCRIS or bank's customer base, you wouldn't be surprise to see a guy with low declared income but holding multiple property loans and hire purchases. doh.gif
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so if lets say i have a credit limit which is over than 2 times of my salary will be revised and change to 2x of my salary?

Hold only 2 cards, Maybank 2 Card consider 2 cards? As it only charge RM50 (1 card government tax)

Many question on this...
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QUOTE(b00n @ Mar 19 2011, 01:08 AM)
And one thing about Malaysian declared income is seriously out. Malaysian as malaysian, many has "outside" income which is not declared. If you guys have the access to CCRIS or bank's customer base, you wouldn't be surprise to see a guy with low declared income but holding multiple property loans and hire purchases. doh.gif
That is so true biggrin.gif


QUOTE(aeronlim @ Mar 19 2011, 01:27 AM)
so if lets say i have a credit limit which is over than 2 times of my salary will be revised and change to 2x of my salary?
The article mentioned whoever is earning RM36k and below can only have cards from 2 different banks. So i guess you can have as many cards as possible from Bank ABC and Bank DEF but you can't have anymore cards from Bank EFG and any other banks.


QUOTE(aeronlim @ Mar 19 2011, 01:27 AM)
Hold only 2 cards, Maybank 2 Card consider 2 cards? As it only charge RM50 (1 card government tax)

Many question on this...
2 different banks. Not 2 cards actually. Man ... this is going to be a headache to the banks too. CIMB Bank is partly to blamed for this as it is the one that has been increasing their cardholders' credit limits like no tomorrow. Now it is hard to tell which Platinum/Signature/World/Infinite cardholders are really the loaded ones.

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I wonder who those business on their own, wait and see how the bank with solve this puzzle brows.gif
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QUOTE(chemistry @ Mar 18 2011, 10:10 PM)
At this point of time, which bank dare to say "5% cashback everyday, subject to maximum RM500 each month", he is the clear winner. LOL.
Oh ya, it must also grant unlimited access to LCCT/KLIA Lounges, provide travel insurance and purchase protection.  tongue.gif
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I assume no change to charge cards with this new ruling?
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If basic salary <RM36k p.a. but EA >RM36k p.a. due to bonus, does it apply?
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Bonus are not fixed income.
Many will say it can be calculated as part of your income but it depends on the bank. The bank that I have dealt with have said no.

Plus definitely you need to submit your EA as part of your income document at the point of cc application.
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QUOTE(bingozero @ Mar 18 2011, 02:39 PM)
Ref No: 03/11/06

Embargo: Not for publication or broadcast before 2011-03-18 12:00:00 hours on , 2011-03-18 12:00:00 2011-03-18 12:00:00

New Measures on Credit Cards to Promote Prudent Financial Management and Responsible Business Practices

Bank Negara Malaysia wishes to announce new measures on credit cards in continuous efforts to inculcate sound financial and debt management among credit card users. These measures are also aimed to promote fair and responsible business practices by credit card issuers with further enhancements in the cards security infrastructure.

With immediate effect, the eligibility requirements for credit cards are revised as follows:

The minimum income eligibility for new credit card holders is set at RM24,000 per annum;
For cardholders earning RM36,000 per annum and less, the following would be applicable:

Cardholders can only hold credit cards from a maximum of two issuers.
» Click to show Spoiler - click again to hide... «

The maximum credit limit extended to a cardholder shall not exceed two times their monthly income per issuer.
» Click to show Spoiler - click again to hide... «

Card issuers will engage with the affected cardholders to assist them in restructuring their repayments to facilitate the smooth implementation of this measure. In addition, cardholders can also seek the assistance of Agensi Kaunseling dan Pengurusan Kredit (AKPK) for advice on their debt management.

Responsible Business Practices in Provision of Credit Cards

Credit card issuers are required to adopt fair, transparent and responsible approach in marketing and offering of credit cards to consumers. Issuers are not allowed to increase cardholders' credit limit without obtaining their consent. Issuers are also not allowed to offer a credit advance in the form of cheque payable to the cardholders unless the cardholders have requested for the credit advance.

To facilitate consumers in making comparison and informed decisions, card issuers are required to provide a Product Disclosure Sheet that contains key information on the card's features, fees and obligations of the cardholders. Issuers are also required to display prominently alerts to communicate to cardholders the implications of meeting only minimum and partial repayments. At the end of each year, customised information on how long it will take to fully pay off the cardholder's outstanding balance and the total interest costs if the cardholder only makes minimum repayment will be issued to each cardholder. This will be effective for annual statements issued from December 2011.

Further Enhancements to Credit Card Infrastructure Security

In the effort to further enhance credit card security and to promote public confidence in the usage of credit cards as a safe payment instrument, effective 1 January 2012, transaction alerts via Short Messaging Service (SMS) will be implemented by card issuers for their cardholders after transactions are performed. This will be followed by the implementation of the Personal Identification Number (PIN) verification for all card transactions from 1 January 2015 onwards.
For further information on the new credit card guidelines, members of the public can contact ABM Connect at 1-300-88-9980, the contact centres of their respective card issuers and Bank Negara Malaysia's Telelink at 1-300-88-5465.


Bank Negara Malaysia
2011-03-18 12:00:00 2011-03-18 12:00:00

© Bank Negara Malaysia, 2011. All rights reserved.
http://www.bnm.gov.my/index.php?ch=8&pg=14&ac=2226
Conclusion, which 2 credit card should you stay with if income RM36,000 per annum or less?
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Fully support the move by BNM. With regard to PIN verfication, after UK, South Korea and China, we are their follower w.e.f. Year 2015. rclxm9.gif

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In September 2010, I have mentioned in my blog that the government may introduce some conditions on credit cards and one of them was increasing the minimum annual income to RM24K and the other to cap the credit limit by all banks based on one's earning. Guess I wasn't that far off as far as the CL in concerned. click below link to read my article in September 2010.

http://creditcardsmalaysia.blogspot.com/20...for-credit.html
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I think they are going to implement it gradually starting at the RM36000 and below yearly income. I know a guy who has RM4k monthly income with RM50k credit card debt and he has been holding his debt forever. This is a scenario that BNM want to have it gone with but of course it will be most prudent to start with the fresh grad before anyone else. Anyway, I would still consider the max allowable RM12k credit limit as pretty high...but bye bye to 36 months installment lol. It is a good way to start really and definitely safer than just increase the % min payment on credit cards. That would definitely kill a lot of people.

Besides, how many of you spend like crazy after a confirmation of an increase salary from a new job or from a rumored higher than expected bonus and than living on debt for the greater part of the year and thus make no difference even with a pay raise? With tight credit you will feel yourself elevated right out and not to find out later that your pay "raise" was really only to pay for your min payment lol.

I think if I am to blame a bank it is CIMB doh.gif

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I think they are going to implement it gradually starting at the RM36000 and below yearly income. I know a guy who has RM4k monthly income with RM50k credit card debt and he has been holding his debt forever. This is a scenario that BNM want to have it gone with but of course it will be most prudent to start with the fresh grad before anyone else. Anyway, I would still consider the max allowable RM12k credit limit as pretty high...but bye bye to 36 months installment lol. It is a good way to start really and definitely safer than just increase the % min payment on credit cards. That would definitely kill a lot of people.

Besides, how many of you spend like crazy after a confirmation of an increase salary from a new job or from a rumored higher than expected bonus and than living on debt for the greater part of the year and thus make no difference even with a pay raise? With tight credit you will feel yourself elevated right out and not to find out later that your pay "raise" was really only to pay for your min payment lol.

I think if I am to blame a bank it is CIMB  doh.gif
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Haha. Why CIMB?

BTW, my senior manager having the same scenario as you mentioned above. He earn very high salary but I saw he did BT every few months. The bankers always call to his office phone to chase for repayment of credit debts..
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Separate credit card criteria for retirees

PETALING JAYA: The new credit card application guidelines do not apply to pensioners or retirees, said Bank Negara.

An official said the raise in income requirement to RM24,000 from RM18,000 per annum was solely for those with a monthly income, adding that banks had their own guidelines to assess the credit worthiness of retirees.

Association of Banks Malaysia executive director Chuah Mei Lin said pensioners would stand a higher chance of getting their applications approved if they had a good track record of servicing housing or other loans.

AmBank Group public affairs head Syed Anuar Syed Ali said applicants' credit rating was assessed individually.

Citibank Bhd public relations officer Jaya Menon said an internal guideline would be used to assess the credit worthiness of applicants who are not on a monthly income.


Source - The Star (26/3/11)
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So if I have a CC debt with Public Bank and I cancel their Card.. how much interest I need to pay for a debt in that 2 years period given?

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Separate credit card criteria for retirees

PETALING JAYA: The new credit card application guidelines do not apply to pensioners or retirees, said Bank Negara.

An official said the raise in income requirement to RM24,000 from RM18,000 per annum was solely for those with a monthly income, adding that banks had their own guidelines to assess the credit worthiness of retirees.

Association of Banks Malaysia executive director Chuah Mei Lin said pensioners would stand a higher chance of getting their applications approved if they had a good track record of servicing housing or other loans.

AmBank Group public affairs head Syed Anuar Syed Ali said applicants' credit rating was assessed individually.

Citibank Bhd public relations officer Jaya Menon said an internal guideline would be used to assess the credit worthiness of applicants who are not on a monthly income.


Source - The Star (26/3/11


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Is this a double standard or what? sweat.gif

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Is cimb bank still giving out higher limit on their cards after this announcement?
I mean for platinum, world, signature, infinite?
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Is this a double standard or what? sweat.gif
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BNM thinks that pensioners/retirees are smart consumers since they live so longon this earth already. brows.gif

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will bank ever consider approving an applicant's cc application who doesn't meet the req , eg income 20k and got car loan to pay?
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1) For those on a monthly income, banks exploit the fact that they have a steady income stream, and hence have the ability to pay on an on-going basis.

2) For those without a monthly income, banks determine their eligibility based on a different set of criteria like their total investment with the bank, their good credit record, etc, etc. If you are not a valued customer, they will laugh at you and show you the front door if you attempt to apply for a CC. If you are valued, they would be pestering you to accept CCs you never even applied for.

So yes, there are two vastly different standards.


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wondering...my salary is below 36k pa, but somehow maybank pre-approve the m2kard platinum..do they somehow consider me above 36k?? i receive the invitation letter for platinum 1 month b4 the new guideline comes out..i've been using the petronas gold all this while..
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wondering...my salary is below 36k pa, but somehow maybank pre-approve the m2kard platinum..do they somehow consider me above 36k?? i receive the invitation letter for platinum 1 month b4 the new guideline comes out..i've been using the petronas gold all this while..
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Do you have other cards besides the MBB 2 Cards? Is your salary above 2K?
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QUOTE(azam_halim @ Mar 28 2011, 03:17 AM)
wondering...my salary is below 36k pa, but somehow maybank pre-approve the m2kard platinum..do they somehow consider me above 36k?? i receive the invitation letter for platinum 1 month b4 the new guideline comes out..i've been using the petronas gold all this while..
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The bank hasn't announced the compliance plans so it is hard to say what will happen.
However, on a personal interpretation the BNM announcement did say that CL will be based on your income. I doubt so the bank consider your income to be above RM36K as the invitation is purely from a customer retention/marketing point of view. Likely the bank won't take away your card but instead lower your CL to the compliance level.

In worse case scenario, they'll just maintain you at the Gold level card since that is where you started.
The BNM announcement did not mention about the impact to the type of card that a cardholder will be subjected to in the compliance plan. And banks generally while they have an official information on what the eligibility level for a particular card product, it is pretty much up to them when it comes to granting the card to their customer.

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i see this as too many loopholes around.

First of all, how they going to know how much u earn per annum? Income tax, EPF? Some are not entirely true
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QUOTE(Intrigue @ Mar 28 2011, 08:25 AM)
First of all, how they going to know how much u earn per annum? Income tax, EPF? Some are not entirely true
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True but there's a problem only if you understate these information. Sure, be honest you will get more CL and will not be subjected to the BNM ruling but also you will be subjected to higher income tax which is the reason many hide these information from their EPF, Income tax, etc.

No need to be negative on the BNM ruling. In my opinion those who worry so much about the ruling is because the ruling will impact them negatively. Those who has no issues, have no issues at all.
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Currently owning 3 card now.. and I still have to pay monthly installment for 3 banks because I,m using their 0% easy payment scheme. Dont have money now to pay it lumsum~ what should I do? BNM said we still have 2 years to pay all the debt. Is it mean we can cancel our card first and pay later? How much the interest will be? Is it still like easy payment scheme?

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QUOTE(bluffy83 @ Mar 28 2011, 12:40 PM)
Currently owning 3 card now.. and I still have to pay monthly installment for 3 banks because I,m using their 0% easy payment scheme. Dont have money now to pay it lumsum~ what should I do? BNM said we still have 2 years to pay all the debt. Is it mean we can cancel our card first and pay later? How much the interest will be? Is it still like easy payment scheme?
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QUOTE(bluffy83 @ Mar 28 2011, 12:40 PM)
Currently owning 3 card now.. and I still have to pay monthly installment for 3 banks because I,m using their 0% easy payment scheme. Dont have money now to pay it lumsum~ what should I do? BNM said we still have 2 years to pay all the debt. Is it mean we can cancel our card first and pay later? How much the interest will be? Is it still like easy payment scheme?
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After you selected the card that you wanna cancel then you are given at least 2 years to settle the outstanding and yes you can cancel the card 1st but i think the interest will still run as usual lah, as for the interest the bank will fight to keep their customer so you might need to wait for the competition within the banks. So my advice is to ask the bank to restructure the outstanding into some loans also can, and u have until this year end to play with but please please dont last minute as you will suffer by then. As traditionly Malaysia always last min...


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QUOTE(hye @ Mar 28 2011, 05:12 AM)
The bank hasn't announced the compliance plans so it is hard to say what will happen.
However, on a personal interpretation the BNM announcement did say that CL will be based on your income. I doubt so the bank consider your income to be above RM36K as the invitation is purely from a customer retention/marketing point of view. Likely the bank won't take away your card but instead lower your CL to the compliance level.

In worse case scenario, they'll just maintain you at the Gold level card since that is where you started.
The BNM announcement did not mention about the impact to the type of card that a cardholder will be subjected to in the compliance plan. And banks generally while they have an official information on what the eligibility level for a particular card product, it is pretty much up to them when it comes to granting the card to their customer.
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Latest update is that Bank need to prove that the customer makes more than 36k per annum when BNM come to audit, if your current salary are below 36k they have to lower it and if not mistaken will be coming months.

Worse departments to work in the bank now is those to who hadnle increase or decrease the limits.



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so now i have quit my business and am not working too....
how? cant hold the blardy cards even if i am a good paymaster and have never paid late or any interest,,,?

looks like have to switch vote next elections
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QUOTE(samquah @ Mar 28 2011, 05:05 PM)
so now i have quit my business and am not working too....
how? cant hold the blardy cards even if i am a good paymaster and have never paid late or any interest,,,?

looks like have to switch vote next elections
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They have a separate criteria for retirees as below. Not sure about your case though.
http://www.thestar.my/news/story.asp?file=...5960&sec=nation
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QUOTE(samquah @ Mar 28 2011, 05:05 PM)
so now i have quit my business and am not working too....
how? cant hold the blardy cards even if i am a good paymaster and have never paid late or any interest,,,?

looks like have to switch vote next elections
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The move is to control the debts, a lot of similarity with Singapore on the credit limits section as for 1 person only limit to 2 issuers if income less than RM36k is pretty good control if you ask me.


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Cimb already announce the New Measures on Credit Cards Q&A
http://www.cimbbank.com.my/index.php?rp=ne...d&tpt=cimb_bank
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QUOTE(ak1977 @ Mar 28 2011, 04:47 PM)
Latest update is that Bank need to prove that the customer makes more than 36k per annum when BNM come to audit, if your current salary are below 36k they have to lower it and if not mistaken will be coming months.
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Your source please on audit thingy? Look like my guess was right when I mentioned in my article that banks should concentrate on customers earning more than RM36/K per year instead of wasting their time answering to BNM. To read my article clink below link
http://creditcardsmalaysia.blogspot.com/20...ual-income.html

QUOTE(bingozero @ Mar 28 2011, 07:34 PM)
Cimb already announce the New Measures on Credit Cards Q&A
http://www.cimbbank.com.my/index.php?rp=ne...d&tpt=cimb_bank
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you are really resourceful lah notworthy.gif However CIMB's Q&A nothing new, actually just repeat what BNM announced.

QUOTE(samquah @ Mar 28 2011, 05:05 PM)
so now i have quit my business and am not working too....
how? cant hold the blardy cards even if i am a good paymaster and have never paid late or any interest,,,?

looks like have to switch vote next elections
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if you read The Star article posted by MileAndMore, banks will implement their own guidelines when it respect to pensioners or retiree. Problems is people like us below age 55, can be considered retirees? I still got until end of year to find a job that pays me RM3001/month smile.gif

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QUOTE(Gen-X @ Mar 28 2011, 08:28 PM)
Your source please on audit thingy? Look like my guess was right when I mentioned in my article that banks should concentrate on customers earning more than RM36/K per year instead of wasting their time answering to BNM. To read my article clink below link
http://creditcardsmalaysia.blogspot.com/20...ual-income.html
you are really resourceful lah  notworthy.gif However CIMB's Q&A nothing new, actually just repeat what BNM announced.
if you read The Star article posted by MileAndMore, banks will implement their own guidelines when it respect to pensioners or retiree. Problems is people like us below age 55, can be considered retirees? I still got until end of year to find a job that pays me RM3001/month smile.gif
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Hi Gen-X,

There is a meeting between the ABM last week and a lot of issue come out, just that I can not share with you at the moment. It not official yet, as for the audit, every year BNM will come just that now they will concentrate more in this area. Yup, your source of info is POWDERFUL notworthy.gif but what i know from some friends in the local banks said that they have stop recruiting the customer who income less than RM24K months ago ( not sure correct or not, might be BS me ).

However all hope are not loss for those RM36K below, look at it this way, banks will fight among each others to ensure that they are one of the 2 issuers that the customer hold. Benefits to them lah.. if not happy with the service or what not.. cancel and move to other banks they will retain them one.

Basically their own guidelines will still base on the new credit card guidelines one, just that some foreign banks have their own risk factor that they need to consider. different bank different strategy mah.


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QUOTE(ak1977 @ Mar 29 2011, 12:47 AM)
look at it this way, banks will fight among each others to ensure that they are one of the 2 issuers that the customer hold. Benefits to them lah.. if not happy with the service or what not.. cancel and move to other banks they will retain them one.
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War of silver/gold/titanium card is about to begin whistling.gif
If OCBC is willing to lower its Titanium card requirement to RM30k, it will be one of the must-have two cards.
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War of silver/gold/titanium card is about to begin  whistling.gif
If OCBC is willing to lower its Titanium card requirement to RM30k, it will be one of the must-have two cards.
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I remember i complaint to OCBC about their payment option, the setup of the branches is very in considerate to the customer who pay cash. Just imagine, you have 2 Cheque deposit machines, 4 ATM machines and ONLY 1 Cash Deposit Machine. What logic, they should have 2 cash deposit machines right, what non-sense no wonder their machines alway down bcos cash inside full liao.

I "Beh Ta Han" i call and ask the manager how would you expect the CDM to sustain during the weekend with 1 machine and OCBC branch dont have much branches compare to local banks. Then this manager told me I can do internet transfer and bla bla bla.. Hello, In order to do internet banking you need cash in the account first right, without bank-in the cash how would you expect the internet banking to take place. mad.gif And i have to drive to another branches just to bank in, how annoying right. Somemore they said they are upgrading their branches, they should think of this. By the way, I'm referring to Great Eastern Mall OCBC braches there, i know now they have 2 CDM there already. Dont think is me who make them change, i'm just a small potato.

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QUOTE(ak1977 @ Mar 29 2011, 09:44 AM)
I remember i complaint to OCBC about their payment option, the setup of the branches is very in considerate to the customer who pay cash. Just imagine, you have 2 Cheque deposit machines, 4 ATM machines and ONLY 1 Cash Deposit Machine. What logic, they should have 2 cash deposit machines right, what non-sense no wonder their machines alway down bcos cash inside full liao.

I "Beh Ta Han" i call and ask the manager how would you expect the CDM to sustain during the weekend with 1 machine and OCBC branch dont have much branches compare to local banks. Then this manager told me I can do internet transfer and bla bla bla.. Hello, In order to do internet banking you need cash in the account first right, without bank-in the cash how would you expect the internet banking to take place.  mad.gif And i have to drive to another branches just to bank in, how annoying right. Somemore they said they are upgrading their branches, they should think of this. By the way, I'm referring to Great Eastern Mall OCBC braches there, i know now they have 2 CDM there already. Dont think is me who make them change, i'm just a small potato.
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I know before you can do interbank giro, you need money in the bank 1st right, so i need to bank in the cash in my account first right. if the machines always full at the mentioned branch how do i bank in leh? Dont you think 1 cash deposit machine is jsut 2 little. Beside Great Eastern Mall OCBC branch is not a smaill branch their traffic quite high.
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QUOTE(ak1977 @ Mar 29 2011, 10:40 AM)
I know before you can do interbank giro, you need money in the bank 1st right, so i need to bank in the cash in my account first right. if the machines always full at the mentioned branch how do i bank in leh? Dont you think 1 cash deposit machine is jsut 2 little. Beside Great Eastern Mall OCBC branch is not a smaill branch their traffic quite high.
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He meant ONLINE IBG doh.gif
Unless you are a businessman and have to deposit cash every day, else it is not advisable to approach banks. (risky place)
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He meant ONLINE IBG  doh.gif
Unless you are a businessman and have to deposit cash every day, else it is not advisable to approach banks. (risky place)
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I know what he mean... nod.gif just that sometimes when you have cash in hand it very annoying to see this conditions, specially those customer who deal with cash daily. I mean my feedback to them is at the customer point of view. They are customer like me ( old school ) prefer to bank in Cash. laugh.gif thats why. Sometimes when they setup it must make senses, setting up only 1 machines is too risky, must have a back up right. If you go the banks any banks normally they have at least 2 cash deposit machine right.

I mean before any transfer here and there, intebank giro & etc the cash need to be in the account 1st right how are u going to transfer 100 if your a/c only have 50 leh, you need to bank in the 50 1st right. CDM is one of the tools to do so why they cant add 1 more machine leh.

just my 2 cents

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QUOTE(ak1977 @ Mar 29 2011, 11:05 AM)
I know what he mean...  nod.gif  just that sometimes when you have cash in hand it very annoying to see this conditions, specially those customer who deal with cash daily. I mean my feedback to them is at the customer point of view. They are customer like me ( old school ) prefer to bank in Cash.  laugh.gif thats why. Sometimes when they setup it must make senses, setting up only 1 machines is too risky, must have a back up right. If you go the banks any banks normally they have at least 2 cash deposit machine right.

I mean before any transfer here and there, intebank giro & etc the cash need to be in the account 1st right how are u going to transfer 100 if your a/c only have 50 leh, you need to bank in the 50 1st right. CDM is one of the tools to do so why they cant add 1 more machine leh.

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I see.
One of the solution is to open an account with the bank which has many ATM/CDMs. tongue.gif
I agree that a single cash deposit machine is certainly not enough. Sometimes even two CDMs also not enough, esp on weekends.
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I see.
One of the solution is to open an account with the bank which has many ATM/CDMs. tongue.gif
I agree that a single cash deposit machine is certainly not enough. Sometimes even two CDMs also not enough, esp on weekends.
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QUOTE(hye @ Mar 28 2011, 05:12 AM)
The bank hasn't announced the compliance plans so it is hard to say what will happen.
However, on a personal interpretation the BNM announcement did say that CL will be based on your income. I doubt so the bank consider your income to be above RM36K as the invitation is purely from a customer retention/marketing point of view. Likely the bank won't take away your card but instead lower your CL to the compliance level.

In worse case scenario, they'll just maintain you at the Gold level card since that is where you started.
The BNM announcement did not mention about the impact to the type of card that a cardholder will be subjected to in the compliance plan. And banks generally while they have an official information on what the eligibility level for a particular card product, it is pretty much up to them when it comes to granting the card to their customer.
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i tot maybe since the 'higher' type esp the plat which comes with their own requirement which is higher that 36k pa, they will just save their trouble haha.. whistling.gif
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i tot maybe since the 'higher' type esp the plat which comes with their own requirement which is higher that 36k pa, they will just save their trouble  haha.. whistling.gif
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if your income is < RM36k your platinum card will end up 6K CL only if they dont downgrade it. For the banks those who earn > than RM36k is BAU only nothing change, now the battle is to retain those < RM36K.

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The maximum credit limit extended to a cardholder shall not exceed two times their monthly income per issuer.

This one for those earning 36k or less per year, or for everyone?
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The maximum credit limit extended to a cardholder shall not exceed two times their monthly income per issuer.

This one for those earning 36k or less per year, or for everyone?
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Please refer the 1st Thread is status clearly there.
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QUOTE(ak1977 @ Mar 29 2011, 04:07 PM)
Please refer the 1st Thread is status clearly there.
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I did. 'the following' meaning the following 1 or the following 2? Clearly there is room for doubt.

The minimum income eligibility for new credit card holders is set at RM24,000 per annum;
For cardholders earning RM36,000 per annum and less, the following would be applicable:

Cardholders can only hold credit cards from a maximum of two issuers.
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QUOTE(Dannyl @ Mar 29 2011, 04:11 PM)
I did.  'the following' meaning the following 1 or the following 2?  Clearly there is room for doubt.

The minimum income eligibility for new credit card holders is set at RM24,000 per annum;
For cardholders earning RM36,000 per annum and less, the following would be applicable:

Cardholders can only hold credit cards from a maximum of two issuers.
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it both for those who earn RM36k below. nod.gif

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For those work in Singapore and use Malaysian CC, how will the bank determine the credit limit since their salary is in SGD?
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QUOTE(jonuslee @ Mar 31 2011, 12:13 AM)
For those work in Singapore and use Malaysian CC, how will the bank determine the credit limit since their salary is in SGD?
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Still no updated news from the bank.
Even citibank provide necessary solutions/options to all affected customer.
http://www.citibank.com.my/english/citi-la...new-measure.htm
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bingozero:Can I suggest you revised the title of the thread to "BNM New Rulings on CC" or something like that instead of rules on BNM.

great this topic is pinned so no reason to open new thread.

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does it mean if i earn more than Rm36k per annum , i can have more than 2 cards?

Currently I hold more than 2 cards..
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QUOTE(davidman82 @ Apr 1 2011, 10:55 AM)
does it mean if i earn more than Rm36k per annum , i can have more than 2 cards?

Currently I hold more than 2 cards..
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exactly
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RM36k per annual is it already add in all those allowance?Is it based on 2011?

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RM36k per annual is it already add in all those allowance?Is it based on 2011?
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Based on feedback from my sources in BNM, the income is based on Form J/JA as issued by the IRB tongue.gif
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Update by maybank
http://www.maybank2u.com.my/WebBank/FAQ_BNM030411.pdf

Line number 10
Are the new guidelines applicable to the American Express Charge Cards?
No. The guidelines are only applicable to Credit Cards only

Attached File  FAQ_BNM030411.pdf ( 63.42k ) Number of downloads: 40


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QUOTE(tgeoklin @ Apr 4 2011, 06:59 AM)
Based on feedback from my sources in BNM, the income is based on Form J/JA as issued by the IRB  tongue.gif
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tgeoklin, I guess you have not been submitting Borang B/BE for sometime as the government no longer issue J forms since early 2000s tongue.gif


QUOTE(Gen-X @ Mar 18 2011, 10:51 PM)
Simple, anybody who does not submit or pay Income Tax will be considered earning less than RM36K
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QUOTE(bingozero @ Apr 4 2011, 08:58 PM)
My guess was pretty good on how to proof income.

The thing is, if they want 2010 Borang BE, I no problem, but if they want 2011 Borang BE then I habislah; but that is not the case because 2011 Borang BE not due until April 2012. So I think I should be ok biggrin.gif

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QUOTE(Gen-X @ Apr 4 2011, 09:20 PM)
tgeoklin, I guess you have not been submitting Borang B/BE for sometime as the government no longer issue J forms since early 2000s  tongue.gif 
My guess was pretty good on how to proof income.

The thing is, if they want 2010 Borang BE, I no problem, but if they want 2011 Borang BE then I habislah; but that is not the case because 2011 Borang BE not due until April 2012. So I think I should be ok  biggrin.gif
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tgeoklin, I guess you have not been submitting Borang B/BE for sometime as the government no longer issue J forms since early 2000s  tongue.gif 
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good news

heard if you dont meet the requirement or if your income not sufficeint, or if you do business and dont show income... or


u can still use yur current cards or apply new one

condition: guarantor earning well

so use wife or sis or bro become guarantor


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http://www.maybank2u.com.my/WebBank/FAQ_BNM030411.pdf

However, we encourage you to retain your Maybankards and cancel your other Credit Cards as they come packed with a complete suite of benefits and privileges from Lifetime Annual Fee Waivers, Low Finance Charges to non-expiring TreatsPoints, Maybank2u convenience, access to large branch network and more!

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OMG!

Anybody got idea what will happen to me as a credit card holders as i am a student status rclxub.gif

Will it affected me ?
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OMG!

Anybody got idea what will happen to me as a credit card holders as i am a student status  rclxub.gif

Will it affected me ?
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3.Are the new eligibility criteria applicable to new cardholders only?
•Yes, the minimum income requirement is applicable to new cardholders;
•However, the maximum of two (2) Issuers and the Credit Limit of 2x monthly salary shall be applicable to both new and existing cardholders earning below RM36, 000 per annum.

http://www.maybank2u.com.my/WebBank/FAQ_BNM030411.pdf

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call mbf to cancel my 2 cards under same issuer. they dun suggest me to cancel n told me tat everything is free for me. waive gst n annual fee n ask me don't cancel sweat.gif i told them tat bnm impose new guideline n she mention tat it's nt confirm yet and all d bank is in discussing bout tis matter. i dunno hw true is tis. any1 can confirm?
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QUOTE(yvonnesoo @ Apr 8 2011, 04:46 PM)
call mbf to cancel my 2 cards under same issuer. they dun suggest me to cancel n told me tat everything is free for me. waive gst n annual fee n ask me don't cancel  sweat.gif i told them tat bnm impose new guideline n she mention tat it's nt confirm yet and all d bank is in discussing bout tis matter. i dunno hw true is tis. any1 can confirm?
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If your card anniversary is due soon by all means do consider to cancel the card and ignore whatever MBF tells you.
Irrespective of what the new guideline is ... MBF is well known for such tactics when their customers want to cancel the card. And irrespective whatever the new guideline is ... GST is still payable to the government - I don't see why MBF tells you that everything is free. The banks are discussing how to evaluate the customers and not whether or not they need to follow BNM guideline. (I don't think they can say no to BNM)
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QUOTE(beyond86 @ Apr 5 2011, 10:41 AM)
http://www.maybank2u.com.my/WebBank/FAQ_BNM030411.pdf

However, we encourage you to retain your Maybankards and cancel your other Credit Cards as they come packed with a complete suite of benefits and privileges from Lifetime Annual Fee Waivers, Low Finance Charges to non-expiring TreatsPoints, Maybank2u convenience, access to large branch network and more!

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This is so irony. Their CC is not the best in the town. sweat.gif

When I read the PDF, I nearly wanted to laugh out loud!
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QUOTE(MilesAndMore @ Mar 18 2011, 04:07 PM)
Another news just came in. No more sudden credit limit increase and we'll soon all have to key-in our PIN number to buy something with our credit cards.

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I got mail. HSBC just increased my CL without my consent.

QUOTE(bingozero @ Apr 4 2011, 08:58 PM)
Update by maybank
http://www.maybank2u.com.my/WebBank/FAQ_BNM030411.pdf

Line number 10
Are the new guidelines applicable to the American Express Charge Cards?
No. The guidelines are only applicable to Credit Cards only

Attached File  FAQ_BNM030411.pdf ( 63.42k ) Number of downloads: 40

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So.. is MBB2 Amex a credit card or charge card?
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I got mail. HSBC just increased my CL without my consent.
So.. is MBB2 Amex a credit card or charge card?
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QUOTE(David83 @ Apr 11 2011, 11:03 PM)
This is so irony. Their CC is not the best in the town. sweat.gif
Well, MBB2 AMEX is kind of the best credit card in town biggrin.gif


QUOTE(simplesmile @ Apr 11 2011, 11:22 PM)
I got mail. HSBC just increased my CL without my consent.
It's probably because the newly implemented rules will only come into effect at the end of this year ? Since there are so many things that have yet to be sorted out.

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The problem with BNM is they leave everything ambiguous and expect the banks to do the dirty job.
For example, a guys with income RM36k may retain 2 issuer. So currently he has 4 issuers, which bank want to make the 1st move to cut the guy's line and card? I bet that no bank wants to take the first step.
When BNM audit the banks, what is the banks best defense? They can claim that the guy wants to stay with them and it's the other banks whom should cut the relationship.

Anyway, that's just my opinion. I just can't seem to figure out this could be implemented for existing card holders. sweat.gif


Added on April 11, 2011, 11:48 pmInsider tips - ABM is trying to come up with a method to justify a person's income via proxy based on the customer's cards, housing loan or hire purchase then propose to BNM as a justification for a said customer's income.

Like I say, no one wants to lose the current pie they are holding.

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QUOTE(mizzycoffeelong @ Apr 12 2011, 10:16 AM)
if you read carefully, it's written that u can only get cards from 2 bank ISSUERS if your income is less than RM 36l per annum...so meaning the number of cards per bank is depend on the approval from the bank itself and not BNM la...well this is my 2 sen opinion...any will still keep my citibank clear & shell card..another bank to go..which one then?
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no offense but shell card is a rubbish card. if that person use other banks cc to apply new credit card, they wont know his or her income
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QUOTE(MilesAndMore @ Mar 18 2011, 04:03 PM)

Man ... i wondered how is this going to affect those who got their credit cards using an existing credit card as reference. I mean how do they determine one is earning below RM36k per annum. Everything is just so vague now.
if you read carefully, it's written that u can only get cards from 2 bank ISSUERS if your income is less than RM 36l per annum...so meaning the number of cards per bank is depend on the approval from the bank itself and not BNM la...well this is my 2 sen opinion...any will still keep my citibank clear & shell card..another bank to go..which one then?
And you quoted me because ?? rclxub.gif What you replied is irrelevant to my post.

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QUOTE(b00n @ Apr 11 2011, 11:43 PM)
Insider tips - ABM is trying to come up with a method to justify a person's income via proxy based on the customer's cards, housing loan or hire purchase then propose to BNM as a justification for a said customer's income.
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If I don't have have any loans but got many cards can ar? They should just adopt my suggestions, no outstanding balance for 12 consecutive months, then the individual not subjected to the guideline. That would immediately translate to half the battle being won.

QUOTE(MilesAndMore @ Apr 12 2011, 05:11 PM)
And you quoted me because ??  rclxub.gif  What you replied is irrelevant to my post.
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hahaha, newbie trying to tell "you" to read carefully and sharing with you that you can have many cards but only from 2 banks, as if you not aware tongue.gif
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If I don't have have any loans but got many cards can ar? They should just adopt my suggestions, no outstanding balance for 12 consecutive months, then the individual not subjected to the guideline. That would immediately translate to half the battle being won.
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You wouldn't be affected because your income more than that already tongue.gif
The banks are desperate trying to retain their market shares, who knows; they might adopt that. haha provided BNM agrees to their proposal.

It's funny when CIMB and Maybank declared that only 8% of their card base is less RM36k and less. Hard to believe though.

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hahaha, newbie trying to tell "you" to read carefully and sharing with you that you can have many cards but only from 2 banks, as if you not aware tongue.gif
Yeah ... it's ok if he quoted the right one but his reply was totally out of topic man ... and that post of mine was posted almost a month ago. Read carefully before hitting the reply button-lah.

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QUOTE(b00n @ Apr 11 2011, 11:43 PM)
The problem with BNM is they leave everything ambiguous and expect the banks to do the dirty job.
For example, a guys with income RM36k may retain 2 issuer. So currently he has 4 issuers, which bank want to make the 1st move to cut the guy's line and card? I bet that no bank wants to take the first step.
When BNM audit the banks, what is the banks best defense? They can claim that the guy wants to stay with them and it's the other banks whom should cut the relationship.

Anyway, that's just my opinion. I just can't seem to figure out this could be implemented for existing card holders. sweat.gif


Added on April 11, 2011, 11:48 pmInsider tips - ABM is trying to come up with a method to justify a person's income via proxy based on the customer's cards, housing loan or hire purchase then propose to BNM as a justification for a said customer's income.

Like I say, no one wants to lose the current pie they are holding.
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BNM should probably come up with a guideline like this and enforce it.
1. If user has credit cards from 2 issuers or less, then come expiry... nothing happens.
2. If user has credit cards from 3 or more issuers, then when the first card expires it will automatically be terminated by the issuer. This will go on automatically until 2 issuers are left. This should force the users to choose which ones to keep, and which ones to terminate.
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QUOTE(MilesAndMore @ Apr 12 2011, 06:05 PM)
Yeah ... it's ok if he quoted the right one but his reply was totally out of topic man ... and that post of mine was posted almost a month ago. Read carefully before hitting the reply button-lah.
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Hahaha ... it is rather hilarious when those newbies advise what the seniors in here already know.
Not understanding that in this part of LYN, the senior folks here know the subject well (unlike in other threads) .... like a technical cc specialist. We even have an expert blogger on the subject!
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You wouldn't be affected because your income more than that already tongue.gif
The banks are desperate trying to retain their market shares, who knows; they might adopt that. haha provided BNM agrees to their proposal.

It's funny when CIMB and Maybank declared that only 8% of their card base is less RM36k and less. Hard to believe though.
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That was last year where my income more than RM36K. This year taxable income so far RM0 doh.gif Must go get a job soon, maybe 2 months before the year end to proof I got pay slip > RM3K per month smile.gif

Yah, it is surprising that MBB and CIMB has only 8% of cardholders earning less than RM36K But then again, who is going to question them since they are GLC. If I were to take a wild guess, the banks that has the most % of people earning less than RM36 would be HLB, MBF, AMBank and Affin Bank (in no particular order) - cards which don't have much benefits.


QUOTE(hye @ Apr 12 2011, 10:10 PM)
Hahaha ... it is rather hilarious when those newbies advise what the seniors in here already know.
Not understanding that in this part of LYN, the senior folks here know the subject well (unlike in other threads) .... like a technical cc specialist. We even have an expert blogger on the subject!
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yah, the seniors here in CC thread all crazy over credit cards, hahaha
You referring to me ar? Since I started blogging in 2009 on CC, I now have 4 blogs. Too damn free, hahaha.

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QUOTE(simplesmile @ Apr 12 2011, 08:48 PM)
BNM should probably come up with a guideline like this and enforce it.
1. If user has credit cards from 2 issuers or less, then come expiry... nothing happens.
2. If user has credit cards from 3 or more issuers, then when the first card expires it will automatically be terminated by the issuer. This will go on automatically until 2 issuers are left. This should force the users to choose which ones to keep, and which ones to terminate.
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Good idea!
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This is so irony. Their CC is not the best in the town. sweat.gif

When I read the PDF, I nearly wanted to laugh out loud!
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KUALA LUMPUR: Bank Negara Malaysia will implement SMS alerts for credit card transactions by Jan 1, 2012, in a bid to curb fraud.

A BNM official said card holders may respond to the SMS after the transaction was performed.

"If the transaction is not made by them, they can call the bank to cancel it and alert the police," she said Wednesday.

She said this would be followed by the implementation of the personal identification number verification for all card transactions from Jan 1, 2015 onwards.

BNM and banks in the country would continue to improve the security of the credit card, she said.

"The main issue is to enhance security of the credit cards and not the mechanism of delivering them," she said, when asked on steps taken by BNM to curb rising credit card fraud, including the arrest of seven postmen by the police recently.

On Tuesday, Kuala Lumpur police deputy chief Datuk Amar Singh Ishar Singh said the seven were among 13 people detained by the police in connection with the interception of letters containing credit cards. - Bernama


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Need bring the hp always.
Too many fraud cases
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Need bring the hp always.
Too many fraud cases
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KUALA LUMPUR: Bank Negara Malaysia will issue transaction alerts via short messaging service by Jan 1, 2012 in a bid to curb credit card fraud.

An official from Bank Negara said card holders could respond to the SMS after a transaction was performed.

“If the transaction is not made by them, they can call the bank to cancel it and alert the police,” she told Bernama yesterday.

She said Bank Negara and banks throughout the country would continue to improve the security of credit cards.

“The main issue is to enhance security of the credit cards and not the mechanism of delivering them,” she said, when asked about steps taken by the central bank to curb rising credit card fraud.

This came about after the arrest of seven postmen by the police.

On Tuesday, Kuala Lumpur police deputy chief Datuk Amar Singh Ishar Singh said seven postmen were among 13 people detained by the police in connection with the interception of letters containing credit cards.

“Our investigations revealed that a syndicate used the postmen to intercept credit cards for a fee of between RM50 and RM100 for each successful interception,” he said.

In an immediate reaction, Fomca president Datuk Marimuthu Nadason said action to curb credit card fraud should be taken immediately rather than wait until next year.

“Why wait? Now, even postmen are involved in intercepting new credit cards,” he said.

He added that he was disappointed with credit card companies as they were becoming complacent.

“They must take responsibility in ensuring the security of the credit cards,” he said.

These companies, he said, should also look into sending the new credit cards to the nearest bank branches for consumers to pick them up personally instead of mailing them.

Card holder Vanila Pakirisamy, 32, applauded the move by Bank Negara but said an option should be given to customers if they wanted such a service.

“It will depend on how often and how fast the SMS is sent to us. Some people may think it will be a bother to receive an SMS for every transaction,” she said.

Vanila, a teacher, said cardholders should also take their own precautionary measures.

“They should check their card every time they pay, especially when the card is taken away from them, like in restaurants,” she said.

Another card holder, Dewgem Yen Qai Yin, 26, a magazine editor, said the move was a good one but questioned if consumers would need to pay for these transaction alerts.

“I just hope that before they implement the move, they will do a thorough research on the matter. It is no use using short-cuts without thinking about possible harmful consequences,” she said.



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QUOTE(Human Nature @ Apr 14 2011, 10:53 AM)
If we received false transaction, only need to reply, while correct transaction, no need reply the sms, like tat better, or else, quite troublesome.
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right after pumping petrol using cc, then u received an sms..dangerous? tongue.gif
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right after pumping petrol using cc, then u received an sms..dangerous?  tongue.gif
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Please issues to BNM tongue.gif
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QUOTE(Human Nature @ Apr 14 2011, 11:38 AM)
right after pumping petrol using cc, then u received an sms..dangerous?  tongue.gif
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2. When you get out to pump gas, get rid of any static charge before you reach for the pump. That could be as simple as tapping the metal top of your car with your bare hand.

3. Experts say if a fire does start, never take the gas nozzle out of your car. That is the surest way to turn a bad situation into a tragedy. Everyone who has been hurt, injured, or has been killed, has pulled that nozzle out.

4. Never fill portable containers in or on a vehicle. Instead, put them on the ground. Like a person, a container can also become statically charged. If the earth's not there to absorb the voltage, the can itself may spark.


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QUOTE(Human Nature @ Apr 14 2011, 11:38 AM)
right after pumping petrol using cc, then u received an sms..dangerous?  tongue.gif
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anyway, here is my article I posted at my blog in regards to the Star headlines.

http://creditcardsmalaysia.blogspot.com/20...harges-sms.html
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QUOTE(Gen-X @ Apr 14 2011, 03:21 PM)
ya good one, email to BNM on this, hahaha

anyway, here is my article I posted at my blog in regards to the Star headlines.

http://creditcardsmalaysia.blogspot.com/20...harges-sms.html
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The maximum liability of RM250 is a new info to me, and i dare say not many are aware too. Good info.
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QUOTE(Gen-X @ Apr 14 2011, 03:21 PM)
ya good one, email to BNM on this, hahaha

anyway, here is my article I posted at my blog in regards to the Star headlines.

http://creditcardsmalaysia.blogspot.com/20...harges-sms.html
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Read this article and would like to ask...
http://creditcardsmalaysia.blogspot.com/20...harges-sms.html

You know how airlines always asks us to switch off HP? If fraudulent charges happened during the several hours we are on the airplane, who is going to bear the costs?
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Read this article and would like to ask...
http://creditcardsmalaysia.blogspot.com/20...harges-sms.html

You know how airlines always asks us to switch off HP? If fraudulent charges happened during the several hours we are on the airplane, who is going to bear the costs?
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You know how airlines always asks us to switch off HP? If fraudulent charges happened during the several hours we are on the airplane, who is going to bear the costs?
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Careful lah ... don't want your statement to cause readers here to switch on their mobile while flying.
We don't want to be causing accidents in the air indirectly!

Anyway my thoughts are
1. Banks always advise you to inform them prior to any travelling. If the transaction happens when you are in the air then definitely the bank can take action.
2. Some banks have invested in fraud recognition system to recognize irregularities based on your spending patterns.
3. You can use the boarding pass to prove that you are on a plane and unlikely to have been at the local mall making that purchase right?

Saying that ... I have been flying often and never the bank called me while I am in the air nor encounter any frauds with my card. Often overseas travelers do carry roaming capabilities on their mobile, don't you agree ? And correct me if I'm wrong (since it has been many years already), our local prepaid mobile numbers do have in-built roaming capabilities vs. their postpaid counterparts (where you need to apply for it) ?

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Talking about roaming, my friend who went to US for 3 months didn't activate roaming services for his postpaid. His phone is like dead at US now.
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QUOTE(hye @ Apr 14 2011, 10:52 PM)
Careful lah ... don't want your statement to cause readers here to switch on their mobile while flying.
We don't want to be causing accidents in the air indirectly!

Anyway my thoughts are
1. Banks always advise you to inform them prior to any travelling. If the transaction happens when you are in the air then definitely the bank can take action.
2. Some banks have invested in fraud recognition system to recognize irregularities based on your spending patterns.
3. You can use the boarding pass to prove that you are on a plane and unlikely to have been at the local mall making that purchase right?

Saying that ... I have been flying often and never the bank called me while I am in the air nor encounter any frauds with my card. Often overseas travelers do carry roaming capabilities on their mobile, don't you agree ? And correct me if I'm wrong (since it has been many years already), our local prepaid mobile numbers do have in-built roaming capabilities vs. their postpaid counterparts (where you need to apply for it) ?
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1. I usually don't inform the card issuers when I travel abroad.
2. Usually I don't pick up calls when I am abroad, cos I get charged. There was one time, bank called me, made me so annoyed and angry. Few days before this, I called the bank to do something for me (can't remember what it was). Then when I was overseas, the bank called me many times. Finally I answered. Then the guy on the phone asked me to verify myself by answering some questions, like I/C NO, mother's name or something like that. I was like WTF... you called me and ask me to prove that I am the person you called? And all this while my hp get charged. Finally, the guy said,.. just want to inform you that the transaction has been done. And then, I was like... WTF!! . I already saw the transaction has been carried out when I login online the day before. Now come to think of it, I shouldn't have answered those verification questions, because it might not have been the bank calling me.
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1. I usually don't inform the card issuers when I travel abroad.
2. Usually I don't pick up calls when I am abroad, cos I get charged. There was one time, bank called me, made me so annoyed and angry. Few days before this, I called the bank to do something for me (can't remember what it was). Then when I was overseas, the bank called me many times. Finally I answered. Then the guy on the phone asked me to verify myself by answering some questions, like I/C NO, mother's name or something like that. I was like WTF... you called me and ask me to prove that I am the person you called? And all this while my hp get charged. Finally, the guy said,.. just want to inform you that the transaction has been done. And then, I was like... WTF!! . I already saw the transaction has been carried out when I login online the day before. Now come to think of it, I shouldn't have answered those verification questions, because it might not have been the bank calling me.
This is why it is always advisable to inform your bank(s) before going overseas. It is to prevent something like this from happening.

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Mythbuster already busted, using mobile phone inside aeroplane, before or after take off is fine.
Same goes with using mobile phone while pumping petrol

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Careful lah ... don't want your statement to cause readers here to switch on their mobile while flying.
We don't want to be causing accidents in the air indirectly!
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The sms will not send for every transaction, only for certain limit

http://www.sinchew.com.my/node/200784?tid=1
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The sms will not send for every transaction, only for certain limit

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QUOTE(MilesAndMore @ Apr 15 2011, 12:51 AM)
This is why it is always advisable to inform your bank(s) before going overseas. It is to prevent something like this from happening.
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agreed... when fraud really happen, then blame the banks... or scold the bank by saying this is an international calls you know... very expensive... doh.gif
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I know before you can do interbank giro, you need money in the bank 1st right, so i need to bank in the cash in my account first right. if the machines always full at the mentioned branch how do i bank in leh? Dont you think 1 cash deposit machine is jsut 2 little. Beside Great Eastern Mall OCBC branch is not a smaill branch their traffic quite high.
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sorry tumpang thread,

does the maximum RM250 on fraud charges (no matter how much the conman did to your card, your maximum to pay to the bank is RM250) still apply on this new BNM ruling?

also i think they should seperate the pin number behind the card into a seperate document instead, every time i pay with the card and the cashier always glance at the back but not actually comparing my signature instead is very stressful ><

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QUOTE(shoduken @ May 2 2011, 07:16 PM)
sorry tumpang thread,

does the maximum RM250 on fraud charges (no matter how much the conman did to your card, your maximum to pay to the bank is RM250) still apply on this new BNM ruling?

also i think they should seperate the pin number behind the card into a seperate document instead, every time i pay with the card and the cashier always glance at the back but not actually comparing my signature instead is very stressful ><
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Total income as mentioned by BNM includes fixed allowances or not?
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QUOTE(hebe87 @ Aug 7 2011, 02:27 PM)
Total income as mentioned by BNM includes fixed allowances or not?
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my salary now is below 36k...

my CC now is Maybankard 2 Card, CIMB Petronas and also CIMB Visa Signature (supplementary).....is is ok??or need to cancel 1 card??
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my salary now is below 36k...

my CC now is Maybankard 2 Card, CIMB Petronas and also CIMB Visa Signature (supplementary).....is is ok??or need to cancel 1 card??
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No need, you can have cards issued by 2 different banks i.e. 10 cards from 1 bank .
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i think no need cancel if already got card liao

they cannot pebnalise u ...unless bank request us to cancel
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I got a letter from Citibank asking me to prove my salary d.
Guess they are going to be verify one by one...
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QUOTE((@_@) @ Aug 12 2011, 10:34 PM)
I got a letter from Citibank asking me to prove my salary d.
Guess they are going to be verify one by one...
Is the said credit card due for renewal (i mean its anniversary month) in the next few months ?

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Is the said credit card due for renewal (i mean its anniversary month) in the next few months ?
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I got a letter from Citibank asking me to prove my salary d.
Guess they are going to be verify one by one...
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After verify maybe the credit limit will make the adjustment too?
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After verify maybe the credit limit will make the adjustment too?
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BNM is expected to take new measures to further control the use of credit, including a requirement for a second or more credit card must be presented two months of payroll!

It is understood, the National Bank and commercial banks who have been meeting to discuss the new measures; expected that the new regulations will be included in published October 7, 2012 Budget.

Credit card sales agents and Effective Synergy Sdn Bhd managing director Chen Hanguo that in the past, the National Bank first credit card application is only required to produce those two months of payroll, for a second or third time just goes to identity cards certified copies.

Income customers are willing to open

"Unless the customer a great need for a second or third credit card, otherwise the new measures will certainly affect the credit of the source, because many customers are reluctant to open their own income."

Chenhan Guo said that since the beginning of the year, deteriorating credit card business agency staff; BNM Strict new measures will give them the credit card business worse.

4,000 salesman forced to change jobs


"The government announced in RM3, 000 the following year, the national income can not hold more than two cards of the measures has resulted in 60% of the credit card agency closed down, there are 4,000 salesman forced to change jobs.

"In the 2008 peak of about 80 credit agency, but only about 12."

"The industry has more than 80% of sales are ethnic Chinese, most are not well educated, looking to switch to a monthly income of 3,000 to 4,000 ringgit is not easy."

Chen Hanguo also pointed out that since the government credit card services from the tax levy last year, Credit Card Holders from the 2009 peak of 960 million people in 2010 fell to 7.5 million as of June 2011, further reduced to 7.4 million .

In this year announced the following income limits RM3, 000 people who can not hold more than two cards of the measures, resulting in this period, 60% of credit card sales company closed down, there are 4,000 salesman forced to change jobs.





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Be quick for those who want to apply for the credit card before announce in Budget 2012 at 7-OCT-2011
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In another related report by Sin Chew Jit Poh, this rule may take effect earlier than expected. Some said it could be in September 2011.
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how about fourth and fifth credit card application ? does BNM allow existing credit card to be used as a reference ?
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how about fourth and fifth credit card application ? does BNM allow existing credit card to be used as a reference ?
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need to given 2 month salary slip for further CC application
most probably will be commence on sept
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Let's think in a positive way. I welcome this move, and credit cards are only issued to those who are able to repay.

Besides, it will help to stop banks simply issue premium cards like WMC and VI to those who are not really qualified.
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look like bank start update their client income already, but still haven't get letter from bank
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So how can we still apply with a reference card or is it not possible only after the announced budget?
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So how can we still apply with a reference card or is it not possible only after the announced budget?
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updated news stated that must show income
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updated news stated that must show income
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Ok i just applied for one. Still works for now. Hopefully I will get it on Friday fingers crossed.
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QUOTE(soitsuagain @ Sep 5 2011, 09:48 PM)
Ok i just applied for one. Still works for now. Hopefully I will get it on Friday fingers crossed.
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QUOTE(beyond86 @ Sep 3 2011, 04:47 PM)
look like bank start update their client income already, but still haven't get letter from bank
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may be bank use filter method to check the card holders income such as CL less than 6K (or other commitments e.g. total amount of car loan, house loan), and then they will call card holders to submit the income doc.


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Ok i just applied for one. Still works for now. Hopefully I will get it on Friday fingers crossed.
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just wanna to know u applied through credit card booth? which bank?

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As far as i know, OCBC, CIMB, MBB do not accept application with other card as reference
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As far as i know, OCBC, CIMB, MBB do not accept application with other card as reference
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Last two weeks, I did apply maybank dual card by just attach my other bank credit card photo copy. I done it at one u lower ground floor maybank credit card booth. I just need to fill up the application form as well as one income declaration form. Until today, the bank din call me for document verification.
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QUOTE(psiloveu @ Sep 6 2011, 09:52 AM)
Last two weeks, I did apply maybank dual card by just attach my other bank credit card photo copy.  I done it at one u lower ground floor maybank credit card booth.  I just need to fill up the application form as well as one income declaration form. Until today, the bank din call me for document verification.
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then did u call MBB ? or did they send any letter to you asking you to provide them ur income slip ?
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then did u call MBB ? or did they send any letter to you asking you to provide them ur income slip ?
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I called the maybank hotline just now 1300-88-6688. The CS staff checked for the the application status, data already entered into system but pending. He asked me to call back end of this week to check the application status again but did not inform me about the submission of the documents.
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QUOTE(psiloveu @ Sep 6 2011, 09:52 AM)
Last two weeks, I did apply maybank dual card by just attach my other bank credit card photo copy.  I done it at one u lower ground floor maybank credit card booth.  I just need to fill up the application form as well as one income declaration form. Until today, the bank din call me for document verification.
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since you were at one u that day why dont just go to their maybankard service centre? hmm.gif
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since you were at one u that day why dont just go to their maybankard service centre?  hmm.gif
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after i applied it, my fren told me that is a one hour application for maybank cc at one u and will entitle a RM10 starbuck voucher, i missed it. sad.gif
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QUOTE(psiloveu @ Sep 6 2011, 06:48 AM)
may be bank use filter method to check the card holders income such as CL less than 6K (or other commitments e.g. total amount of car loan, house loan), and then they will call card holders to submit the income doc.


Added on September 6, 2011, 6:51 am

just wanna to know u applied through credit card booth? which bank?
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Citibank. Through branch. The officer told me i will get 15k CL. As forumers say, better be fast before before next month with new budget. Otherwise i doubt you can use reference card as credit limit justification.
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Citibank. Through branch. The officer told me i will get 15k CL. As forumers say, better be fast before before next month with new budget. Otherwise i doubt you can use reference card as credit limit justification.
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QUOTE(soitsuagain @ Sep 6 2011, 06:52 PM)
Citibank. Through branch. The officer told me i will get 15k CL. As forumers say, better be fast before before next month with new budget. Otherwise i doubt you can use reference card as credit limit justification.
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15k CL, so much
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QUOTE(soitsuagain @ Sep 6 2011, 05:52 PM)
Citibank. Through branch. The officer told me i will get 15k CL. As forumers say, better be fast before before next month with new budget. Otherwise i doubt you can use reference card as credit limit justification.
You guys do know that whatever is offered to you now can be reversed anytime when the rule comes into effect right ?

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QUOTE(MilesAndMore @ Sep 6 2011, 10:14 PM)
You guys do know that whatever is offered to you now can be reversed anytime when the rule comes into effect right ?
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What action will they take? Cancel the cards or reduce CL?
I have 2 CC which are just been approved in August without providing any salary slips during application process.
Will I be affected?
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QUOTE(uhlaw @ Sep 6 2011, 11:53 PM)
What action will they take? Cancel the cards or reduce CL?
I have 2 CC which are just been approved in August without providing any salary slips during application process.
Will I be affected?
We don't know until they release more information on how they are going to enforce the new credit card rules and will no doubt affect both new and existing credit card holders.
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QUOTE(MilesAndMore @ Sep 6 2011, 10:14 PM)
You guys do know that whatever is offered to you now can be reversed anytime when the rule comes into effect right ?
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I will have to return all my cards to the banks should the new ruling be fully enforced. Coz I don't fulfill all those income requirements sweat.gif
Byebye my OCBC Titanium, byebye my Maybankard 2 Platinum.
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I will have to return all my cards to the banks should the new ruling be fully enforced. Coz I don't fulfill all those income requirements  sweat.gif
Byebye my OCBC Titanium, byebye my Maybankard 2 Platinum.
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I doubt that they will decrease all our credit limit to 2x of our income? This make our life harder... Hardly can play around with balance transfer anymore. Guess everyone will just apply personal loan with high interest rate!
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For those who have credit cards and earn below 36k per annum, bank will issue a letter to them asking them to update their income status. If their income is STILL below 36k, they have no choice but to cut ur credit limit.

IF they dont want to reply the letter to them, this make their life easier. They will AUTO cut ur credit limit also.


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QUOTE(shiroikun @ Sep 7 2011, 10:56 AM)
I doubt that they will decrease all our credit limit to 2x of our income? This make our life harder... Hardly can play around with balance transfer anymore. Guess everyone will just apply personal loan with high interest rate!
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For now, BNM wanna control those income that is lesser than 3k, i wonder when they will start to control everybody in this country =.="" Another 3 years, they implement income less than 5k with the same rules?


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I will have to return all my cards to the banks should the new ruling be fully enforced. Coz I don't fulfill all those income requirements  sweat.gif
Byebye my OCBC Titanium, byebye my Maybankard 2 Platinum.
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QUOTE(shiroikun @ Sep 7 2011, 11:21 AM)
For now, BNM wanna control those income that is lesser than 3k, i wonder when they will start to control everybody in this country =.="" Another 3 years, they implement income less than 5k with the same rules?


Added on September 7, 2011, 11:23 am

They won't cut your card but only will see plat card with 5k credit limit, VS with 10k CL and VI, WMC with 15k CL  notworthy.gif
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QUOTE(chemistry @ Sep 7 2011, 12:58 AM)
I will have to return all my cards to the banks should the new ruling be fully enforced. Coz I don't fulfill all those income requirements  sweat.gif
Byebye my OCBC Titanium, byebye my Maybankard 2 Platinum.
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If your income doesn't meet the requirement, how do u get your Maybank 2 Plat? Isn't the MayBank 2 Plat require high income to apply?
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If your income doesn't meet the requirement, how do u get your Maybank 2 Plat? Isn't the MayBank 2 Plat require high income to apply?
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QUOTE(shiroikun @ Sep 7 2011, 10:56 AM)
I doubt that they will decrease all our credit limit to 2x of our income?
Banks are probably comfortable with the credit limit already assigned to your card account but not following the bank negara rules will result in a hefty penalty to the bank should they are found not following the bank negara rules. So, i do not think they are willing to take the risk.


QUOTE(gerrardling @ Sep 7 2011, 11:06 AM)
For those who have credit cards and earn below 36k per annum, bank will issue a letter to them asking them to update their income status. If their income is STILL below 36k, they have no choice but to cut ur credit limit.
How other banks are going to enforce this rule still remains a big ?.


QUOTE(shiroikun @ Sep 7 2011, 11:21 AM)
For now, BNM wanna control those income that is lesser than 3k, i wonder when they will start to control everybody in this country =.="" Another 3 years, they implement income less than 5k with the same rules?
Malaysia is the first and only country to date to impose credit card tax but not this new rule. There are already a few countries having such rule in place and the reason they are doing this is because the Malaysian credit card debt is spiralling out of control!

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You guys do know that whatever is offered to you now can be reversed anytime when the rule comes into effect right ?
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when the purchasing power is low, ppl will misuse the credit facility. personal loan and credit card are one of the tools ppl will misuse
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when the purchasing power is low, ppl will misuse the credit facility. personal loan and credit card are one of the tools ppl will misuse
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It's has to back to our income issue, big portion of our income spend on House loan and car loan, thats for sure our purchasing power is low in other area, price of a vehicle is damn high. Income increase 5% yearly, inflation 8-10% yearly, how to cope without credit cards and personal loan?
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QUOTE(shiroikun @ Sep 7 2011, 04:41 PM)
It's has to back to our income issue, big portion of our income spend on House loan and car loan, thats for sure our purchasing power is low in other area, price of a vehicle is damn high. Income increase 5% yearly, inflation 8-10% yearly, how to cope without credit cards and personal loan?
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What is the difference? It is better to tighten your belt now than to do it later. Don't you think it will be 10x worse when you have to tighten up with debt? The stress will be unbearable.
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How about those on their own business. Income varies every year. some hold more than 2cards and CL RM50k each card. How to justify??
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How about those on their own business. Income varies every year. some hold more than 2cards and CL RM50k each card. How to justify??
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QUOTE(bingozero @ Sep 23 2011, 07:05 AM)
According to maybank
http://www.maybank2u.com.my/WebBank/FAQ-BN...lines110711.pdf

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Thanks for the info.

What about self employed who holds more than 2 cards, so do they restricted to 2cards if monthly income falls below RM3k (eg commission bases individual)
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QUOTE(rayng18 @ Sep 23 2011, 10:01 AM)
Thanks for the info.

What about self employed who holds more than 2 cards, so do they restricted to 2cards if monthly income falls below RM3k (eg commission bases individual)
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Likely same rule applies. BNM 2 cards/income rule did not differentiate whether it is self owned business or employed.
For example, if the business income is RM36K per annum, it would not be different from a personal (salaried) income of RM36K unless my mathematics is wrong.

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Likely same rule applies. BNM 2 cards/income rule did not differentiate whether it is self owned business or employed.
For example, if the business income is RM36K per annum, it would not be different from a personal (salaried) income of RM36K unless my mathematics is wrong.
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so now..... if say i am now not doing anything..... no income ..have to return the cards?


2. if say i willl cancel all the cc, how about the balance on my balance transfer installments? can i do a bt before canceling...then how?

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so now..... if say i am now not doing anything..... no income ..have to return the cards?
2. if say i willl cancel all the cc, how about the balance on my balance transfer installments? can i do a bt before canceling...then how?
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To my understanding, all cardholders have a year to clear off whatever balance on cancellation. However, wheather that's interest free or otherwise, got no idea hmm.gif

The banks are now starting the implementation of this requirement and we expect enforcement to pick up come end of Oct onwards. So be prepare for CL to be slashed and/or cards cancelled etc. whistling.gif
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To my understanding, all cardholders have a year to clear off whatever balance on cancellation.

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For existing cardholders, whose credit card outstanding balance exceeds the maximum credit limit of two times their monthly income per issuer, a grace period of two years will also be given to them to meet the new requirement.

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documented income below RM36k pa. Received letter from Citibank to submit income stmt. Now having 5 cc (citibank choice, scb plat,hlb plat, DA plat and hsbc gold) dunno which one to cancel almost all have direct debit instructions. sigh!!
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documented income below RM36k pa. Received letter from Citibank to submit income stmt. Now having 5 cc (citibank choice, scb plat,hlb plat, DA plat and hsbc gold) dunno which one to cancel almost all have direct debit instructions. sigh!!
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me working in sg and gross salary sgd1800 monthly.it is consider over rm36k per annum?got do conversion to rm?
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QUOTE(shiroikun @ Sep 7 2011, 04:41 PM)
It's has to back to our income issue, big portion of our income spend on House loan and car loan, thats for sure our purchasing power is low in other area, price of a vehicle is damn high. Income increase 5% yearly, inflation 8-10% yearly, how to cope without credit cards and personal loan?
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THERE ARE so many people who can cope without credit cards outstanding (pay full amount) and personal loan notworthy.gif

THERE ARE also so many people who can purchase car and house with full payment. i knew few of them notworthy.gif

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me working in sg and gross salary sgd1800 monthly.it is consider over rm36k per annum?got do conversion to rm?
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I received a letter from Maybank just now, requesting me to submit my income documents because according to them, my annual income is in the RM36,000 and below category.

In the letter, it says that i must update my information with them before 30 Nov 2011 and failure to do so will result in my credit limit being reduced or worse, card will be canceled because i cannot have credit cards issued by more than 2 different banks.

I called Maybank CS and i was shocked to learn that they thought i am holding a Maybankard AMEX Gold credit card. The said Maybankard AMEX Gold credit card is the original and first AMEX Gold credit card issued by Maybank bearing the Maybankard logo and is no longer issued now.

Anyway, i told them i did have that card but i was just a supplementary card holder and they should refer to my latest information in the system. So, the CS checked further into their system and found out that i do not actually have to submit my income document again because i am actually in the earning above RM36,000/pa category. The CS said that those in the credit card department might have overlooked my details. She promised she will get back to me by today. Will see.

By the way, one will get 3,000 free TP after you've submitted your income document. There is also a Maybankard brochure inside the envelope and the one i received is explaining the benefits of a Maybankard Gold card doh.gif

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By the way, one will get 3,000 free TP after you've submitted your income document. There is also a Maybankard brochure inside the envelope and the one i received is explaining the benefits of a Maybankard Gold card  doh.gif
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That's more like it rclxms.gif
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The Malay lady CS i talked to earlier called me back as promised just a few minutes ago and informed me that she had clarified with the relevant department. Since the card was approved just this year and upon checking on their system which i belong to the earning more than RM36,000 income group, i do not have have to submit my latest payslip and was told to ignore the letter sent to me tongue.gif
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Just submit for the 3000 points, thats like RM15 there
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QUOTE(Human Nature @ Nov 15 2011, 05:33 PM)
Just submit for the 3000 points, thats like RM15 there
I have only passive incomes for the time being. Not sure if they accept those and i don't want to take the risk biggrin.gif

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I am waiting for Maybank to send me the letter but not sure if I will get it or not since I applied with 3K income this year. Free 3000 points just to do some standing up and faxing over some documents. biggrin.gif
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QUOTE(Human Nature @ Nov 15 2011, 03:00 PM)
That's more like it  rclxms.gif
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i received call from MBB ytday about the credit limit issues which announce by BNM that allowed X2 credit limit of our total monthly salary... she request for my pay slip and fax to them soonest otherwise they will review my credit limit to lower range... wondering it there anyone received such call from any bank yet and safe to fax our salary slip to them?

hence, i just check my Maybank2U just now... found this ridiculous problem...
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ya rec'd mine from citibank
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ya rec'd mine from citibank
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u will fax ur salary slip to them?
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2x...
monthly salary slip + year end bonus + <any other fees> send together can?
cos if monthly salary slip only, guess my card will be rendered useless judging by the limit i have now..sad.gif

anyone?
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2x...
monthly salary slip + year end bonus + <any other fees> send together can?
cos if monthly salary slip only, guess my card will be rendered useless judging by the limit i have now..sad.gif

anyone?
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i think they based on monthly FIXED salary instead which no included additional bonus...
perhaps u can give a try instead...

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maybe i'm still quiet newusing the CC
never receive such call from them at the moment
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Heard on the radio this is per BNM's directive for wage earners below RM36k per annum.They really do act fast don't they.
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BNM 1st to tighten the rule of CC application. Now already moving to Car Loan, they tighten the car loan application recently, then slowly move to Personal Loan, Housing Loan...
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QUOTE(Lord_Ashe @ Nov 16 2011, 08:31 AM)
Heard on the radio this is per BNM's directive for wage earners below RM36k per annum.They really do act fast don't they.
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only affects those under rm36k per annum salary only:

- limit max 2 principal cards
- max 2 x monthly salary credit limit

those who currently have more than 2 principal cards will be forced to settle the rest of the chosen cards till have 2 left only. max is 24 months to clear the amount owed on the other cards. those who can't clear, can say hello to bankruptcy filling.

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QUOTE(Lord_Ashe @ Nov 16 2011, 08:31 AM)
Heard on the radio this is per BNM's directive for wage earners below RM36k per annum.They really do act fast don't they.
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u will fax ur salary slip to them?
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no. will cancel some of the cards tho to 2 to comply. No outstanding so no worry and no problem with reduced limit. my income not certain coz on comm not fixed salary, last 2 yrs comm not much that's why falls under 36K
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no. will cancel some of the cards tho to 2 to comply. No outstanding so no worry and no problem with reduced limit. my income not certain coz on comm not fixed salary, last 2 yrs comm not much that's why falls under 36K
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perhaps can send them ur latest salary slip...
so the bank will update your information & convert you to "above 36k" range in their database...
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QUOTE(gkl83 @ Nov 16 2011, 11:08 AM)
perhaps can send them ur latest salary slip...
so the bank will update your information & convert you to "above 36k" range in their database...
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No payslip just commission stmt which is not more than 3k/mth
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hm.....
if i have two cards limit which add up to be more than my 2 x salary,
can i terminate one card, but having one card which limit is higher than my 2x salary?
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QUOTE(alpha33 @ Nov 16 2011, 10:30 PM)
hm.....
if i have two cards limit which add up to be more than my 2 x salary,
can i terminate one card, but having one card which limit is higher than my 2x salary?
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max is 2 cards with each card max 2x of your salary if you are under rm36k salary bracket. you can't have any one card that is higher than 2x salary.
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QUOTE(ebackbone @ Nov 16 2011, 10:57 AM)
only affects those under rm36k per annum salary only:

- limit max 2 principal cards
- max 2 x monthly salary credit limit

those who currently have more than 2 principal cards will be forced to settle the rest of the chosen cards till have 2 left only. max is 24 months to clear the amount owed on the other cards. those who can't clear, can say hello to bankruptcy filling.

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ello, dont scare ppl la...owning will not result to bankrupt filling, owning and not paying will.
i believe there will be arrangement to be made if still cannot settle the outstanding after 2 years.
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Hi, I have a question regarding this new rule.

Say, for example, my credit limit is 20k, and I have spent 18k.
Then, the bank cut my CL to 5k.
I understand that I will be give a grace period of 2 years to pay the debts. And I have to pay at least 5% every month.

My question is, how is the bank going to calculate the interest & finance charge for the outstanding balance? Does it work like the normal way, 18K * 17.5%.
until u make a full payment?
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QUOTE(sheeta @ Nov 21 2011, 01:20 PM)
Hi, I have a question regarding this new rule.

Say, for example, my credit limit is 20k, and I have spent 18k.
Then, the bank cut my CL to 5k.
I understand that I will be give  a grace period of 2 years to pay the debts.  And I have to pay at least 5% every month.

My question is, how is the bank going to calculate the interest & finance charge for the outstanding balance? Does it work like the normal way, 18K * 17.5%.
until u make a full payment?
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They will most probably need to convert your balance to sort of an installment for you to pay down.

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My current salary is exactly RM3,000 right now (Basic + Fixed Allowance). I wonder if I should ask for rm10 increase in salary from my boss to get above the rm36k requirement. What do you guys think? Or will the banks be lenient and allow me to have 3 CCs?
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QUOTE(z3171600 @ Dec 5 2011, 09:25 AM)
My current salary is exactly RM3,000 right now (Basic + Fixed Allowance). I wonder if I should ask for rm10 increase in salary from my boss to get above the rm36k requirement. What do you guys think? Or will the banks be lenient and allow me to have 3 CCs?
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Don't recall whether the ruling is on Gross Income or Net Income because don't think it's explicitly mentioned.
But assuming the new Responsible Finance Guideline complements this Credit Card guidelines, then the income bracket will be on Net Income. Assuming that is true, then your increase of RM10 will not qualify you as well.

But back to the topic; there's a reason why the BNM limits the number of cards as well as exposures. So think back - do you really need 3 cards?

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Yea, 3 credit card is like too much. Two is just enough. I'm now cancelling those that doesn't reward me back at all even my salary is above 36k. :S Gonna redeem all the bonus point and cancel their card soon.

I'll prefer if they just send me those exclusive cards, LOL.
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Rec'd a call from Citibank asking whether I have rec'd the letter to declare income. I told her my income is less than RM36K, she then told me nevermind just hold on to it first until they call again later. So I think the banks are doing something to retain those with good record but earn less than RM36K
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Of course they will do like that because they don't want their source of income to just disappear like that.
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Rec'd a call from Citibank asking whether I have rec'd the letter to declare income. I told her my income is less than RM36K, she then told me nevermind just hold on to it first until they call again later. So I think the banks are doing something to retain those with good record but earn less than RM36K
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hahahahahha

i have no income for 2 years but until now no letter or calls from bankk asking me to declare income?

i have a few cc
all Cl 30k

is it againsts the law to retain the cards?

else i just buat buat bodoh for now?
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I too have more than 2cc CL ranges 6K to 85K. So far only receive the letter from Citibank. At the moment just leave it as it is until they act on it, worse case retain 2 and cancel the rest. No problem.
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QUOTE(rayng18 @ Dec 7 2011, 09:19 AM)
I too have more than 2cc CL ranges 6K to 85K. So far only receive the letter from Citibank. At the moment just leave it as it is until they act on it, worse case retain 2 and cancel the rest. No problem.
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That just proves one statement i.e. banks are too desperate for business thus to match competitions, they just gives higher lines for new cards. Main reason as well why so many are in CC debts where they cannot control their spending. shakehead.gif
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That just proves one statement i.e. banks are too desperate for business thus to match competitions, they just gives higher lines for new cards. Main reason as well why so many are in CC debts where they cannot control their spending.  shakehead.gif
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Ya I have the same opinion as you. How could the bank give such high credit limit to an individual where by they don't actually knowing how much the person earn monthly. It is like 20x to 30x times the monthly salary.

1 of my friend earning around RM3k but having a credit card with limit of RM100k. I was so shock to know it and he having more than 3 cards that having RM100k and another 2-3 cards with RM50k and above.

What is the trick from him is, He pledged in a FD with bank A RM50k. He get a credit card with RM50k credit limit and after 1 year, he used that card to get another credit card which give him even higher credit limit. Repeat this process for 2 years, he get RM100k credit limit cards doh.gif doh.gif doh.gif

This method of judgement by the bank are sux...
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Oh well, if he does have a 50K FD to liquidate, then if the credit checks show he deserve a 50k CL CC, then he does.

But other banks of taking 50k CC to get higher CL is like doh.gif
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QUOTE(shiroikun @ Dec 7 2011, 11:06 AM)
1 of my friend earning around RM3k but having a credit card with limit of RM100k. I was so shock to know it and he having more than 3 cards that having RM100k and another 2-3 cards with RM50k and above.

What is the trick from him is, He pledged in a FD with bank A RM50k. He get a credit card with RM50k credit limit and after 1 year, he used that card to get another credit card which give him even higher credit limit. Repeat this process for 2 years, he get RM100k credit limit cards  doh.gif  doh.gif  doh.gif

This method of judgement by the bank are sux...
This method doesn't work for many banks. The reason is because one cannot use a secured credit card that is more than 1 year old as reference to apply for a new credit card. Other banks can find out that the credit card is a secured credit card through his/her CCRIS. I had a secured credit card before, that is why i know this.

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QUOTE(MilesAndMore @ Dec 7 2011, 03:33 PM)
This method doesn't work for many banks. The reason is because one cannot use a secured credit card that is more than 1 year old as reference to apply for a new credit card. Other banks can find out that the credit card is a secured credit card through his/her CCRIS. I had a secured credit card before, that is why i know this.
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The problem is the 2nd bank approved the credit card using reference of the 1st credit card that using FD to pledged and this bank is CITIBANK thumbup.gif thumbup.gif thumbup.gif . After 1 year he use this credit card to apply other credit cards...
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The problem is the 2nd bank approved the credit card using reference of the 1st credit card that using FD to pledged and this bank is CITIBANK  thumbup.gif  thumbup.gif  thumbup.gif . After 1 year he use this credit card to apply other credit cards...
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Is there any official letter will issue whether the customer is entitle for 2 card below or above?

I got different answer regarding on the credit evaluation. public bank said look at your basic only. Citibank said look at your total incoming recorded in your payslip.
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QUOTE(shiroikun @ Dec 7 2011, 04:04 PM)
The problem is the 2nd bank approved the credit card using reference of the 1st credit card that using FD to pledged and this bank is CITIBANK  thumbup.gif  thumbup.gif  thumbup.gif . After 1 year he use this credit card to apply other credit cards...
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What was the bank with which he pledged the 50K FD for his first secured credit card?
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What was the bank with which he pledged the 50K FD for his first secured credit card?
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Hi Guys,

Need help here... What constitute a 'Retiree'?

I am 43. Stopped working a few years ago. I have 3 cc - Citibank Platinum (RM20K), AMEX CC Gold (RM13K) and HSBC Gold (RM9K). All applied when I was still working and the CL increased by all the banks over time. I think I have been their customer since early 2000. Recently I received THE LETTER from Citibank asking me to update my salary record with them. As I recalled I did apply when my salary was below RM36K. Stupid of me not to update before I left employment (otherwise I won't be facing this problem cry.gif

Now I am not working. I have private income from inheritance. Most are kept in Amanah Saham. Every month I would withdraw the amount required to be deposited into my usual bank account. I have been settling in full all my credit card amounts monthly. I use the cards to collect points and book hotels and flight tickets online. It is not really a needed credit facility but more for convenience.

I have no loans to show - Housing and car all paid in cash. So I don't have a good Pay Master record (except for the full monthly credit card payments - which IMHO should be good enough?). Annually I have kept up with income tax declaration, just declaring 0 income (since I 'retired').

1. Where do I stand here? I would really like to keep my 3 credit cards, knowing I won't be able to apply new one. I hardly ever max any of the cc limit but I just like the freedom of owning a Visa, AMEX and Mastercard.

2. I know that a retiree doesn't fall into the new credit card ruling. But what constitute a 'retiree'? Is it just based on age?
I dare not call BNM to check incase once they hear I am unemployed they will instruct all the banks to cancel all my cards vmad.gif

The time is running out and if push comes to shove, I will cancel my HSBC since I feel it gives me the least benefit. I LOVE AMEX for it's generousity with points. I also don't want to lose the Citibank due to the Platinum card which they just upgraded for me in June. I hope even if they reduce the CL they won't change my Platinum to lower cards. The Platinum benefits are great! Funny to have a Platinum with CL of RM6K though brows.gif
I had spoken to Citibank and decline to send them my new salary report. I dared not mention that I am not working anymore...

3. Also, I know that if I must cancel 1 card but haven't done so the bank/s will take it upon themself to cancel. Now which card will be cancelled? Also, more importantly, will the bank cancelling the card contact the customer to consult them or inform them first? I don't know whether I should cancel my HSBC now or wait and see...

Sorry for such a long question but I just want to give a full scenario of my situation. Hopefully someone will be able to assist notworthy.gif

Thanks,
Mel

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QUOTE(MelaniePutra @ Dec 11 2011, 04:08 PM)
Hi Guys,

Need help here... What constitute a 'Retiree'?

I am 43. Stopped working a few years ago. I have 3 cc - Citibank Platinum (RM20K), AMEX CC Gold (RM13K) and HSBC Gold (RM9K). All applied when I was still working and the CL increased by all the banks over time. I think I have been their customer since early 2000. Recently I received THE LETTER from Citibank asking me to update my salary record with them. As I recalled I did apply when my salary was below RM36K. Stupid of me not to update before I left employment (otherwise I won't be facing this problem  cry.gif

Now I am not working. I have private income from inheritance. Most are kept in Amanah Saham. Every month I would withdraw the amount required to be deposited into my usual bank account. I have been settling in full all my credit card amounts monthly. I use the cards to collect points and book hotels and flight tickets online. It is not really a needed credit facility but more for convenience.

I have no loans to show - Housing and car all paid in cash. So I don't have a good Pay Master record (except for the full monthly credit card payments - which IMHO should be good enough?). Annually I have kept up with income tax declaration, just declaring 0 income (since I 'retired').

1. Where do I stand here? I would really like to keep my 3 credit cards, knowing I won't be able to apply new one. I hardly ever max any of the cc limit but I just like the freedom of owning a Visa, AMEX and Mastercard.

2. I know that a retiree doesn't fall into the new credit card ruling. But what constitute a 'retiree'? Is it just based on age?
I dare not call BNM to check incase once they hear I am unemployed they will instruct all the banks to cancel all my cards vmad.gif

The time is running out and if push comes to shove, I will cancel my HSBC since I feel it gives me the least benefit. I LOVE AMEX for it's generousity with points. I also don't want to lose the Citibank due to the Platinum card which they just upgraded for me in June. I hope even if they reduce the CL they won't change my Platinum to lower cards. The Platinum benefits are great! Funny to have a Platinum with CL of RM6K though brows.gif
I had spoken to Citibank and decline to send them my new salary report. I dared not mention that I am not working anymore...

3. Also, I know that if I must cancel 1 card but haven't done so the bank/s will take it upon themself to cancel. Now which card will be cancelled? Also, more importantly, will the bank cancelling the card contact the customer to consult them or inform them first? I don't know whether I should cancel my HSBC now or wait and see...

Sorry for such a long question but I just want to give a full scenario of my situation. Hopefully someone will be able to assist  notworthy.gif

Thanks,
Mel
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Just declare you're a retiree. If they try to make it any more difficult, enlighten them who you are. I'm sure they can make an exception for daughter of a ruler wink.gif
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what will happen to those who earn less than RM36k annually but still have more than 2 cards after 1 jan 2012?
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what will happen to those who earn less than RM36k annually but still have more than 2 cards after 1 jan 2012?
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do i declare my income after i receive THE LETTER from the bank or must i take the initiative to bring my income details to the bank branches?

i have cc with 3 banks, maybank, ambank & affin but so far only affin sent me a letter asking me to declare my income..

any advise? just reply affin only and wait for the other two banks to send letters? or send to the other two banks as well?
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QUOTE(yikyik @ Jan 2 2012, 04:54 PM)
do i declare my income after i receive THE LETTER from the bank or must i take the initiative to bring my income details to the bank branches?

i have cc with 3 banks, maybank, ambank & affin but so far only affin sent me a letter asking me to declare my income..

any advise? just reply affin only and wait for the other two banks to send letters? or send to the other two banks as well?
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You need send the reply to affin bank if you wish to maintain your credit card. Otherwise just ignore the letter.
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You need send the reply to affin bank if you wish to maintain your credit card. Otherwise just ignore the letter.
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if i cancel a credit card how long will it take to update BNM? a customer service from a bank told me it would take from 1 to 2months as it's not "LIVE UPDATE"

im asking this as i wanted to cancel one of my bank credit card which doesnt benefit to me all and apply a new credit card, but the customer service told me that it would take 1 or 2months time for BNM to update my CC status, so anyone can clarify for this?

beside that is it possible if i submit my CC cancellation letter together with my application form to the bank so it can consider to approving my application? btw my salary is <36K PA
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QUOTE(lazyserv @ Jan 11 2012, 09:44 PM)
if i cancel a credit card how long will it take to update BNM? a customer service from a bank told me it would take from 1 to 2months as it's not "LIVE UPDATE"

im asking this as i wanted to cancel one of my bank credit card which doesnt benefit to me all and apply a new credit card, but the customer service told me that it would take 1 or 2months time for BNM to update my CC status, so anyone can clarify for this?

beside that is it possible if i submit my CC cancellation letter together with my application form to the bank so it can consider to approving my application? btw my salary is <36K PA
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I don't understand why your rush ? Just let the system take its course. Just be thankful (and that should be your focus) that your card is properly cancelled as there as many cases where the card is not cancelled properly and later get shocks.

Banks would check with something they feel comfortable and accept as evidence - evidence as governed and sanctioned by their risk assessment team and card approving. I'm afraid while they would accept your letter but it would not have any weightage to your application.
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if in that case i'll stick to your advice so i wont get any harm smile.gif

thanks for your advice
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Yesterday I received a letter from Hong Leong Bank told me to summit the payslip to them.
So I just ignore the letter since I want to cancel the credit card of ex-eon since it is less benefit after merge to hlb.
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Just got a mail From EOn-Bank ING (That i only use to pay my Insurance Premium >.<) but from Hong-Leong

Yes i know they have merged, but still i felt like this stupid email has no usage, as maybe next year i shall use OCBC to swipe my premium then the ING, as 2% off overall Insurance policy is darn low >.<, Plus RM50 GST is painful.

My MBB2 is Sub-ed From my dad, so therefore i could just leave it for now, and my own card is OCBC.

Most probably will terminate the EON Before it calls me to pay 2nd year GST

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RM0.00 Effective 6/3/12. MBFC Ambank LOC tiered int rate revised to 15%, 17% & 18% PA. Late pymt chg - 1% of outstanding or RM10, whichever higher(max RM100).

hahaha. Bank no $$$$$ ?
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QUOTE(vexus @ Feb 11 2012, 10:24 PM)
RM0.00 Effective 6/3/12. MBFC Ambank LOC tiered int rate revised to 15%, 17% & 18% PA. Late pymt chg - 1% of outstanding or RM10, whichever higher(max RM100).

hahaha. Bank no $$$$$ ?
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HLB also revised it rates to 15% 17% & 18% effective 1st March from 13.5% 16% and 17.5%

is this a trend now?

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QUOTE(jinaun @ Feb 21 2012, 12:02 AM)
HLB also revised it rates to 15% 17% & 18% effective 1st March from 13.5% 16% and 17.5%

is this a trend now?
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Interest rates for credit card has always been 18%. I don't see them running against any rules but merely returning the interest rate back to normal. In Singapore, the rates are 24% per annum and in Thailand it is 20% per annum. Why no one celebrate our rates are the lowest ?

I don't understand why everyone is creating such a big fuss and acting surprised.
It wouldn't matter even if the bank want to impose 25%, 50% or even 1000% interest as it would not matter if cardholders pay in full every month. If anyone here is making noise is because they have credit card debts with the affected banks perhaps ?

Why don't just admit that you have RMx amount of debt with the bank and the revised ruling will impact ya?

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the purpose i use the credit facility is to stretch certain purchases over several months, that's y i look for the best rates, if i can settle full every month, might as well use debitcard or cash or even cheque

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just received a call from 03-27763900, the guy claim calling from MBB KL HQ, want to offer me pre-apporove cards for Mayband2cards without any income documents. He say If I agree, the cards will be courier to me within 14 days.

Is this some kinds of scam?
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QUOTE(Fortunekl @ Apr 18 2012, 03:28 PM)
just received a call from 03-27763900, the guy claim calling from MBB KL HQ, want to offer me pre-apporove cards for Mayband2cards without any income documents. He say If I agree, the cards will be courier to me within 14 days.

Is this some kinds of scam?
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no its not..in fact i got my card already..hehe
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Recently get some news on requirement to apply CC for 1st card... Applicant need to have at least 1 full year CCRIS report records in order to apply it...else you will not allow to apply or 100% reject. Not sure whether it is true or not but was told by Citibanker which they don't process the application for people who don't have CCRIS record

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how to have CCRIS record if u dont have a car?

to obtain a card u need to have car/PL first? most likely wont be
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how to have CCRIS record if u dont have a car?

to obtain a card u need to have car/PL first? most likely wont be
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This is how BNM stop ppl from using CC as much as possible to reduce ppl's debts. Spend within your mean, get debit card if you don't have any CCRIS records...

You can always pledge in FD to get your 1st CC, Hire Purchase, Housing Loan.
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This is a good move by the government to curb those agents sent by the DEVIL himself.....its these agents that whisper in the ears..."take this credit card..you can be rich".....mwahahahahah...
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This is a good move by the government to curb those agents sent by the DEVIL himself.....its these agents that whisper in the ears..."take this credit card..you can be rich".....mwahahahahah...
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Who will think like this?? rclxub.gif
Only silly ppl think like this.. sweat.gif
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QUOTE(shiroikun @ Apr 25 2012, 10:46 AM)
Recently get some news on requirement to apply CC for 1st card... Applicant need to have at least 1 full year CCRIS report records in order to apply it...else you will not allow to apply or 100% reject. Not sure whether it is true or not but was told by Citibanker which they don't process the application for people who don't have CCRIS record
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Hi. 1 full year ccris record is only for those who work in non gov/listed/mnc company or self employ.
You should not have any problem to apply citibank card even u dont have any record in ccris provided u are working in mnc/gov/listed company.

As far as i know not all bank look in 1 yr ccris. U can try Uob cc. Easy to approve.

*im working in citibank. So i got this info.
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I am a freelancer/self employed with steady income. Am I eligible to take any CC?
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I am a freelancer/self employed with steady income. Am I eligible to take any CC?
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Youy can try... & u need proofs like: 3-6 months bank statement proof that u have steady income or
use FD to pledge for credit card (some bank accept)...Do u submit EPF... and have credit card/ loan facilities before... blink.gif

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QUOTE(carnby77 @ Jul 17 2012, 03:20 PM)
This is a good move by the government to curb those agents sent by the DEVIL himself.....its these agents that whisper in the ears..."take this credit card..you can be rich".....mwahahahahah...
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I wanna ask..my salary is around rm3400 a month but dat include allowances..i already got 2credit cards..but i intend to have one more juz for balance transfer..with my current salary,am i able to get another card?actually..i wanted to cancel one of my card but there are some problem attached with it and im in urgent need of a balance transfer..tq
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QUOTE(phat @ Oct 16 2012, 08:29 AM)
I wanna ask..my salary is around rm3400 a month but dat include allowances..i already got 2credit cards..but i intend to have one more juz for balance transfer..with my current salary,am i able to get another card?actually..i wanted to cancel one of my card but there are some problem attached with it and im in urgent need of a balance transfer..tq
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There is no harm to try since your monthly salary include allowance
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ok..will try..tq..one more question..if im blacklisted by celcom becoz of bill payment,will it influence my credit card application?sumbody used my name to subscribe for celcom iphone package..but the case is solved now..juz wondering coz i did made a few application last time but was rejected..
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ok..will try..tq..one more question..if im blacklisted by celcom becoz of bill payment,will it influence my credit card application?sumbody used my name to subscribe for celcom iphone package..but the case is solved now..juz wondering coz i did made a few application last time but was rejected..
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So far I didn't hear this case before. Blacklisted by telco, only cannot apply postpaid
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ok2..tq again :+)
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good moved, but i pity those who draw salary ngam ngam 3k. oni 2 kad they can have.
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QUOTE(cute_miao @ Dec 30 2012, 10:22 AM)
good moved, but i pity those who draw salary ngam ngam 3k. oni 2 kad they can have.
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How many cards you need? 2 are more than enough.. wink.gif
BTW, I currently have 2 cards. Maybank Visa and OCBX Titanium Mastercard.

Question : Am I able to get a supplementary card? I don't really get the idea. Credit limit will b combined with primary card is it?
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QUOTE(solsekuin44 @ Jan 2 2013, 02:24 PM)
How many cards you need? 2 are more than enough.. wink.gif
BTW, I currently have 2 cards. Maybank Visa and OCBX Titanium Mastercard.

Question : Am I able to get a supplementary card? I don't really get the idea. Credit limit will b combined with primary card is it?
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You can get a supplementary card for your family (or anyone but what for sweat.gif ) by using your card as a principal. You can usually set the amount of credit limit that you want to give your supplementary card (example, 2k out of your 10k limit). Take note that supp card will incur GST too, RM25.
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QUOTE(Human Nature @ Jan 2 2013, 03:47 PM)
You can get a supplementary card for your family (or anyone but what for sweat.gif ) by using your card as a principal. You can usually set the amount of credit limit that you want to give your supplementary card (example, 2k out of your 10k limit). Take note that supp card will incur GST too, RM25.
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Dont forget the cashback amount also will be shared between principal and supp card holder which is an trade off.
Example Ocbc Titanium and Mbb2, monthly Rm50 cashback will be shared, not Rm50 each for principal and supp card.

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QUOTE(Human Nature @ Jan 2 2013, 03:47 PM)
You can get a supplementary card for your family (or anyone but what for sweat.gif ) by using your card as a principal. You can usually set the amount of credit limit that you want to give your supplementary card (example, 2k out of your 10k limit). Take note that supp card will incur GST too, RM25.
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Maybe I'll get it for my brother since he's going on holiday.
He doesn't have any CC so far. smile.gif

QUOTE(Titan_Gunners @ Jan 2 2013, 03:51 PM)
Dont forget the cashback amount also will be shared between principal and supp card holder which is an trade off.
Example Ocbc Titanium and Mbb2, monthly Rm50 cashback will be shared, not Rm50 each for principal and supp card.
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Banks urged to further tighten criteria for getting credit cards

ALOR SETAR: Financial institutions, especially commercial banks, are urged to abide by stipulated guidelines and to tighten regulations on the issuing of credit cards to avoid fraud.

MCA vice-president Datuk Seri Chor Chee Heung said the failure by financial institutions to do so had resulted in many cases of people using false identification to be issued with credit cards.

He said several complaints had been received by Kedah MCA from members of the public who claimed to owe credit card companies for cards which were not issued to them.

"Financial institutions should be more cautious and review conditions for approval of applications for credit cards from the public," he added.

Chor, who is Housing and Local Government Minister, told this to reporters after a housewife, Chan Ah Kim, 33, met him to seek his help to resolve her predicament.

Chan claimed that she was being pursued by a bank to settle her credit card debt for a credit card that she claimed was not issued to her.

Chan, when met by reporters, said she believed a man she met in 2010 to apply for a business loan had used her personal documents to apply for the credit card.

She said the man had asked her to hand over 10 copies each of her identity card, business registration certificate and bank statement.

"It was in 2011 when I began receiving letters from OUB Bank asking to settle more than RM5,200 for usage of a credit car.

"Since I had never used a credit card, I refused to pay and this resulted in OUB to send a summons letter early this year," she added.

Chan said she had discussed the matter with the man to resolve the matter, but the later refused and this her to lodge a report at the Alor Setar police station last Thursday. - Bernama

http://thestar.com.my/news/story.asp?file=...2231&sec=nation
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Hi Guys. Are there any banks who still doing card to card approve? Or its already a thing of the past. Tq
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QUOTE(s_kates81 @ May 26 2013, 03:08 PM)
Hi Guys. Are there any banks who still doing card to card approve? Or its already a thing of the past. Tq
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no more, all banks must adhere to BNM's rules
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How many cards that one person can own, if the salary is more tha 3k? Just curious coz there is no guidelines on the maximun cards, say about different bank CC.........
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How many cards that one person can own, if the salary is more tha 3k? Just curious coz there is no guidelines on the maximun cards, say about different bank CC.........
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theres no max limit if salary more than 3k
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QUOTE(jwwc @ Jun 9 2013, 09:37 AM)
theres no max limit if salary more than 3k
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The central bank has also prohibited the offering of pre-approved personal financing products, such as unsolicited pre-approved credit cards.

http://www.nst.com.my/nation/general/tight...w5ii%2F7.186670
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My current income is less than 36k, but my credit limit is 104k , any problem with the BNM new guideline that the maximum credit limit extended to a cardholder shall not exceed two times their monthly income? I increase my credit limit by pledged the Fixed Deposit at year 2010.
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QUOTE(RobertKoon @ Jul 10 2013, 02:39 AM)
My current income is less than 36k, but my credit limit is 104k , any problem with the BNM new guideline that the maximum credit limit extended to a cardholder shall not exceed two times their monthly income? I increase my credit limit by pledged the Fixed Deposit at year 2010.
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Please don't worry, the bank will review the card user and tell them to summit the latest income document. Credit limit will be reduce according to the annual income.
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If my salary is 3.1k , will i still be limited to 2 credit cards ?
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QUOTE(avengers88 @ Jul 11 2013, 05:43 PM)
If my salary is 3.1k , will i still be limited to 2 credit cards ?
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already above the min requirement, so you may have CC more than 2 banks

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my gross salary around 6k++...oredi owned 3 CCs(total limit around 25k), n now im viewing and interested with Maybank 2cards(AMEX), can i proceed with my application? any chance my application will be rejected by bank?
actually my intention to terminate one of my CC to take this maybank card...
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QUOTE(zwanvedder @ Jul 18 2013, 10:25 AM)
my gross salary around 6k++...oredi owned 3 CCs(total limit around 25k), n now im viewing and interested with Maybank 2cards(AMEX), can i proceed with my application? any chance my application will be rejected by bank?
actually my intention to terminate one of my CC to take this maybank card...
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No worries..just go and apply your credit card =)
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QUOTE(RobertKoon @ Jul 10 2013, 02:39 AM)
My current income is less than 36k, but my credit limit is 104k , any problem with the BNM new guideline that the maximum credit limit extended to a cardholder shall not exceed two times their monthly income? I increase my credit limit by pledged the Fixed Deposit at year 2010.
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there you go...

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QUOTE(Human Nature @ Jul 6 2013, 02:07 PM)
The central bank has also prohibited the offering of pre-approved personal financing products, such as unsolicited pre-approved credit cards.

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say oni, no real enforcements.
still got banks calling up offer cards...
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QUOTE(duckaton @ Aug 10 2013, 08:17 PM)
say oni, no real enforcements.
still got banks calling up offer cards...
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Consumers should play an active role too. File a complaint to Bank Negara
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Consumers should play an active role too. File a complaint to Bank Negara
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no proof unless i accept the card offer.

I won't wanto ask the caller's name
and then complain to jeopardise his job.

i am sure bnm will only give warning to to bank,
if there action taken.
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QUOTE(duckaton @ Aug 10 2013, 09:02 PM)
no proof unless i accept the card offer.

I won't wanto ask the caller's name
and then complain to jeopardise his job.

i am sure bnm will only give warning to to bank,
if there action taken.
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Even a warning is good enough.

For example, the SMS alert policy. I have successfully ensure that two of the biggest bank comply with it once Bank Negara steps in.
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is BNM rulings that now the penalty of bounced cheque is RM 100 ? Standard chartered bank is the highest now at RM150
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If pledge fd to get cc. What are the terms for the fd? Like monthly? Can withdraw anytime?
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QUOTE(kenv09 @ Sep 17 2013, 09:28 AM)
If pledge fd to get cc. What are the terms for the fd? Like monthly? Can withdraw anytime?
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Some bank provided this kind of service.
The credit limit of the card is equivalent to FD placement amount and if you withdraw the FD, you must cancel the card at the same time as well.
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my annual income less than 36k and have 2 cc, can i pledge the FD to bank to apply the 3rd CC?
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QUOTE(mrpoliebaba @ Nov 19 2013, 05:19 PM)
it depends on the bank approval..they might only give you the same credit amount as your FD lo...in that case might as well get a debit card..
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Do we need to update our income with credit card company yearly?

The SC request me to update for them as it is instructed by BNM.

Serious?
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QUOTE(koh_424 @ Dec 13 2013, 05:44 PM)
Do we need to update our income with credit card company yearly?

The SC request me to update for them as it is instructed by BNM.

Serious?
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Have you updated yours with them before?
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QUOTE(Human Nature @ Dec 13 2013, 06:56 PM)
Have you updated yours with them before?
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Their system said last year. But i remember i did it by this year 1st quarter.
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Their system said last year. But i remember i did it by this year 1st quarter.
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If salary is above 36k, i would just ignore it
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QUOTE(Human Nature @ Dec 14 2013, 11:35 AM)
If salary is above 36k, i would just ignore it
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More than that. smile.gif

But they still ask me to update the income so that they can try to get some offer for me. LOL
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Currently my primary job annual income is 31k (with epf) and have a contract work (no epf) with 6k per year, could I apply for 3rd credit card?
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Currently my primary job annual income is 31k (with epf) and have a contract work (no epf) with 6k per year, could I apply for 3rd credit card?
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did u declare all your income including the contract work.

If u declared it, u can try submit together with your BE Form showing proof of income.

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QUOTE(cfa28 @ Dec 24 2013, 12:13 PM)
did u declare all your income including the contract work.

If u declared it, u can try submit together with your BE Form showing proof of income.
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Seem I need to do so in 2014 BE, my 2013 didn't declared blink.gif
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QUOTE(mytmnet @ Dec 24 2013, 01:12 PM)
Thanks bro  smile.gif
Seem I need to do so in 2014 BE, my 2013 didn't declared  blink.gif
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You can try to submit the application with just say the Contract, but the Bank may have to ask for additional proof such as BE Form.
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QUOTE(Human Nature @ Aug 10 2013, 10:46 PM)
Even a warning is good enough.

For example, the SMS alert policy. I have successfully ensure that two of the biggest bank comply with it once Bank Negara steps in.
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I had an interesting conversation with BNM via the telelink phone number.

Basically my wife tried to ask Public Bank to lower the SMS Alert to RM30 from the default of RM500.

Public Bank refused to do so and when my wife mentioned BNM Policy, they said the lowest that Public Bank is willing to go is to RM100 and that BNM said that consumers can choose to receive SMS Alert for all trnasactions is for 'Online Transactions' and not Credit Card Transactions.

So, I got angry and called BNM via the Telelink and spoke to the BNM Officer (but I forgot her name).

I told the BNM Officer my story and her reply was:

1. BNM says that consumers are to receive a SMS Alert for all Transactions above the default amount

2. BNM did not set the default amount although it is understood that most Banks have set it at RM500

3. Consumers are free to choose their own default levels subject to 'mutual agreement' with their Banks.

4. Where the consumer and the Bank cannot agree on the lower amount, the consumer can insist to lower the amount subject to the consumer agreeing to pay the charges for the SMS Alert as this is considered as an additional service.

I did mention to the BNM Officer that the default amount of RM500 is too high as culprits in places such as Restaurants, Pubs can just swipe 2x of RM200 and the consumer will not know until the Statement arrives and will be in a difficult position to dispute such transactions.

But BNM Officer says to 'negotiate with the individual Bank concerned.

Should I send an official e-mail to BNM to confirm this?

Calling also other sifus Gen-X boon ronnie to give expert comments

For the record, I have managed to get my other CC like AEON, Alliance and OCBC to lower the threshold to say RM30. But Public is the most troublesome so far.

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I had an interesting conversation with BNM via the telelink phone number.
Hi, if we refer to the press statement by BNM, there is no mention about minimum threshold at all:

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In the effort to further enhance credit card security and to promote public confidence in the usage of credit cards as a safe payment instrument, effective 1 January 2012, transaction alerts via Short Messaging Service (SMS) will be implemented by card issuers for their cardholders after transactions are performed. This will be followed by the implementation of the Personal Identification Number (PIN) verification for all card transactions from 1 January 2015 onwards.


When I face any problem in setting the SMS alert, I always lodge an official complaint to Bank Negara. Bank Negara will then issue an email to the bank (person-in-charge) and will direct the bank to give a written clarification within 2 weeks. The banks always comply. These includes CIMB, Maybank, Aeon, RHB and UOB.

In your case, it seems like the bank officer is giving her own interpretation as 'negotiation' and 'mutual agreement' will lead to an open ended policy/ruling. If the above is indeed true, the banks will not even bother and just stick to their own trigger limit.


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QUOTE(Human Nature @ Jan 13 2014, 05:44 PM)
Hi, if we refer to the press statement by BNM, there is no mention about minimum threshold at all:
When I face any problem in setting the SMS alert, I always lodge an official complaint to Bank Negara. Bank Negara will then issue an email to the bank (person-in-charge) and will direct the bank to give a written clarification within 2 weeks. The banks always comply. These includes CIMB, Maybank, Aeon, RHB and UOB.

In your case, it seems like the bank officer is giving her own interpretation as 'negotiation' and 'mutual agreement' will lead to an open ended policy/ruling. If the above is indeed true, the banks will not even bother and just stick to their own trigger limit.
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Tks boss, I think will draft an 'official complaint' to BNM and ask my wife to send and see what BNM says. Saying something verbally and in writing is always different but at least within BNM, there are many precedent cases like your own.


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QUOTE(cfa28 @ Jan 13 2014, 05:11 PM)
I had an interesting conversation with BNM via the telelink phone number.

Basically my wife tried to ask Public Bank to lower the SMS Alert to RM30 from the default of RM500.

Public Bank refused to do so and when my wife mentioned BNM Policy, they said the lowest that Public Bank is willing to go is to RM100 and that BNM said that consumers can choose to receive SMS Alert for all trnasactions is for 'Online Transactions' and not Credit Card Transactions.

So, I got angry and called BNM via the Telelink and spoke to the BNM Officer (but I forgot her name).

I told the BNM Officer my story and her reply was:

1. BNM says that consumers are to receive a SMS Alert for all Transactions above the default amount

2. BNM did not set the default amount although it is understood that most Banks have set it at RM500

3. Consumers are free to choose their own default levels subject to 'mutual agreement' with their Banks.

4. Where the consumer and the Bank cannot agree on the lower amount, the consumer can insist to lower the amount subject to the consumer agreeing to pay the charges for the SMS Alert as this is considered as an additional service.

I did mention to the BNM Officer that the default amount of RM500 is too high as culprits in places such as Restaurants, Pubs can just swipe 2x of RM200 and the consumer will not know until the Statement arrives and will be in a difficult position to dispute such transactions.

But BNM Officer says to 'negotiate with the individual Bank concerned.

Should I send an official e-mail to BNM to confirm this?

Calling also other sifus Gen-X boon ronnie to give expert comments

For the record, I have managed to get my other CC like AEON, Alliance and OCBC to lower the threshold to say RM30. But Public is the most troublesome so far.
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Bro, accept the RM100 default and make sure it works then only write to BNM . If you ask me, why want a Public Bank credit card that pays 0.3% cash back.
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QUOTE(Gen-X @ Jan 13 2014, 06:12 PM)
Bro, accept the RM100 default and make sure it works then only write to BNM . If you ask me, why want a Public Bank credit card that pays 0.3% cash back.
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yeah, Public CC rebates are very low but it was one of the 'Free for Life CC' that my wife got many years ago cos she took a Mortgage with Public Bank. Her other CC refused to waive AF cos she is not very active user (cos she uses my Cards instead, Ha Ha)

Have asked my wife to terminate it this year before GST kicks in again.

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