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 BNM New Rulings on CC, No more card to card approve

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post Mar 18 2011, 08:52 PM

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QUOTE(bingozero @ Mar 18 2011, 02:39 PM)
Ref No: 03/11/06

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New Measures on Credit Cards to Promote Prudent Financial Management and Responsible Business Practices

Bank Negara Malaysia wishes to announce new measures on credit cards in continuous efforts to inculcate sound financial and debt management among credit card users. These measures are also aimed to promote fair and responsible business practices by credit card issuers with further enhancements in the cards security infrastructure.

With immediate effect, the eligibility requirements for credit cards are revised as follows:

The minimum income eligibility for new credit card holders is set at RM24,000 per annum;
For cardholders earning RM36,000 per annum and less, the following would be applicable:

Cardholders can only hold credit cards from a maximum of two issuers.
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The maximum credit limit extended to a cardholder shall not exceed two times their monthly income per issuer.
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Card issuers will engage with the affected cardholders to assist them in restructuring their repayments to facilitate the smooth implementation of this measure. In addition, cardholders can also seek the assistance of Agensi Kaunseling dan Pengurusan Kredit (AKPK) for advice on their debt management.

Responsible Business Practices in Provision of Credit Cards

Credit card issuers are required to adopt fair, transparent and responsible approach in marketing and offering of credit cards to consumers. Issuers are not allowed to increase cardholders' credit limit without obtaining their consent. Issuers are also not allowed to offer a credit advance in the form of cheque payable to the cardholders unless the cardholders have requested for the credit advance.

To facilitate consumers in making comparison and informed decisions, card issuers are required to provide a Product Disclosure Sheet that contains key information on the card's features, fees and obligations of the cardholders. Issuers are also required to display prominently alerts to communicate to cardholders the implications of meeting only minimum and partial repayments. At the end of each year, customised information on how long it will take to fully pay off the cardholder's outstanding balance and the total interest costs if the cardholder only makes minimum repayment will be issued to each cardholder. This will be effective for annual statements issued from December 2011.

Further Enhancements to Credit Card Infrastructure Security

In the effort to further enhance credit card security and to promote public confidence in the usage of credit cards as a safe payment instrument, effective 1 January 2012, transaction alerts via Short Messaging Service (SMS) will be implemented by card issuers for their cardholders after transactions are performed. This will be followed by the implementation of the Personal Identification Number (PIN) verification for all card transactions from 1 January 2015 onwards.

For further information on the new credit card guidelines, members of the public can contact ABM Connect at 1-300-88-9980, the contact centres of their respective card issuers and Bank Negara Malaysia's Telelink at 1-300-88-5465.


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2011-03-18 12:00:00 2011-03-18 12:00:00

© Bank Negara Malaysia, 2011. All rights reserved.
http://www.bnm.gov.my/index.php?ch=8&pg=14&ac=2226
Conclusion, which 2 credit card should you stay with if income RM36,000 per annum or less?
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I would say overall good move by BNM as many people really don't know how to control spending.

Looks like I have 2 choices:

(1) Keep OCBC and MBB 2 only.
(2) go back to work just so that I can have more than 2 CC.

Does it applies to charge card?

Actually, the move will make the credit card more competitive and we expect better offers in the coming months when the banks start to come out with new promotions just to retain their customers.

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post Mar 18 2011, 10:51 PM

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QUOTE(eric.tangps @ Mar 18 2011, 10:49 PM)
How to know the existing cardholder income?
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Simple, anybody who does not submit or pay Income Tax will be considered earning less than RM36K
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QUOTE(MilesAndMore @ Mar 18 2011, 11:01 PM)
I am following the news closely. I'm at risk of losing my Citibank VISA and Maybankard 2 now  sad.gif
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don't worry too much lah, we are in Bolehland tongue.gif Banks will sure appeal and I am sure there will be exceptions like for Private/Privilege Banking and pledging against FD.
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QUOTE(MilesAndMore @ Mar 18 2011, 11:20 PM)
The problem is i don't have any money in Citibank and Maybank. I got their credit cards using my HSBC credit card as reference  sad.gif  Hopefully they will automatically put me in the above RM36k income group. Then i got nothing to worry anymore  biggrin.gif
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still not a problem bro, you can have two cards (well maybe 3 since MBB2 = 1). Actually, MBB 2 + another card would be just about right for most people, the problem in our case is the 2 x monthly salary = 2 x 0 = 0 credit limit, hahaha
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post Mar 19 2011, 09:10 AM

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In September 2010, I have mentioned in my blog that the government may introduce some conditions on credit cards and one of them was increasing the minimum annual income to RM24K and the other to cap the credit limit by all banks based on one's earning. Guess I wasn't that far off as far as the CL in concerned. click below link to read my article in September 2010.

http://creditcardsmalaysia.blogspot.com/20...for-credit.html
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post Mar 19 2011, 01:27 PM

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Click below link to read my article on BNM new guideline at my blog.

http://creditcardsmalaysia.blogspot.com/20...ual-income.html
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post Mar 28 2011, 08:28 PM

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QUOTE(ak1977 @ Mar 28 2011, 04:47 PM)
Latest update is that Bank need to prove that the customer makes more than 36k per annum when BNM come to audit, if your current salary are below 36k they have to lower it and if not mistaken will be coming months.
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Your source please on audit thingy? Look like my guess was right when I mentioned in my article that banks should concentrate on customers earning more than RM36/K per year instead of wasting their time answering to BNM. To read my article clink below link
http://creditcardsmalaysia.blogspot.com/20...ual-income.html

QUOTE(bingozero @ Mar 28 2011, 07:34 PM)
Cimb already announce the New Measures on Credit Cards Q&A
http://www.cimbbank.com.my/index.php?rp=ne...d&tpt=cimb_bank
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you are really resourceful lah notworthy.gif However CIMB's Q&A nothing new, actually just repeat what BNM announced.

QUOTE(samquah @ Mar 28 2011, 05:05 PM)
so now i have quit my business and am not working too....
how? cant hold the blardy cards even if i am a good paymaster and have never paid late or any interest,,,?

looks like have to switch vote next elections
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if you read The Star article posted by MileAndMore, banks will implement their own guidelines when it respect to pensioners or retiree. Problems is people like us below age 55, can be considered retirees? I still got until end of year to find a job that pays me RM3001/month smile.gif

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post Mar 31 2011, 08:01 AM

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bingozero:Can I suggest you revised the title of the thread to "BNM New Rulings on CC" or something like that instead of rules on BNM.

great this topic is pinned so no reason to open new thread.

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post Apr 4 2011, 09:20 PM

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QUOTE(tgeoklin @ Apr 4 2011, 06:59 AM)
Based on feedback from my sources in BNM, the income is based on Form J/JA as issued by the IRB  tongue.gif
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tgeoklin, I guess you have not been submitting Borang B/BE for sometime as the government no longer issue J forms since early 2000s tongue.gif


QUOTE(Gen-X @ Mar 18 2011, 10:51 PM)
Simple, anybody who does not submit or pay Income Tax will be considered earning less than RM36K
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QUOTE(bingozero @ Apr 4 2011, 08:58 PM)
My guess was pretty good on how to proof income.

The thing is, if they want 2010 Borang BE, I no problem, but if they want 2011 Borang BE then I habislah; but that is not the case because 2011 Borang BE not due until April 2012. So I think I should be ok biggrin.gif

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post Apr 12 2011, 12:40 PM

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QUOTE(gerrardling @ Apr 12 2011, 10:30 AM)
no offense but shell card is a rubbish card. if that person use other banks cc to apply new credit card, they wont know his or her income
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agree in full. The Shell card is for those who likes to work for the bank if he or she is thinking of maximizing the cash back from it.
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QUOTE(b00n @ Apr 11 2011, 11:43 PM)
Insider tips - ABM is trying to come up with a method to justify a person's income via proxy based on the customer's cards, housing loan or hire purchase then propose to BNM as a justification for a said customer's income.
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If I don't have have any loans but got many cards can ar? They should just adopt my suggestions, no outstanding balance for 12 consecutive months, then the individual not subjected to the guideline. That would immediately translate to half the battle being won.

QUOTE(MilesAndMore @ Apr 12 2011, 05:11 PM)
And you quoted me because ??  rclxub.gif  What you replied is irrelevant to my post.
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hahaha, newbie trying to tell "you" to read carefully and sharing with you that you can have many cards but only from 2 banks, as if you not aware tongue.gif
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QUOTE(b00n @ Apr 12 2011, 05:40 PM)
You wouldn't be affected because your income more than that already tongue.gif
The banks are desperate trying to retain their market shares, who knows; they might adopt that. haha provided BNM agrees to their proposal.

It's funny when CIMB and Maybank declared that only 8% of their card base is less RM36k and less. Hard to believe though.
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That was last year where my income more than RM36K. This year taxable income so far RM0 doh.gif Must go get a job soon, maybe 2 months before the year end to proof I got pay slip > RM3K per month smile.gif

Yah, it is surprising that MBB and CIMB has only 8% of cardholders earning less than RM36K But then again, who is going to question them since they are GLC. If I were to take a wild guess, the banks that has the most % of people earning less than RM36 would be HLB, MBF, AMBank and Affin Bank (in no particular order) - cards which don't have much benefits.


QUOTE(hye @ Apr 12 2011, 10:10 PM)
Hahaha ... it is rather hilarious when those newbies advise what the seniors in here already know.
Not understanding that in this part of LYN, the senior folks here know the subject well (unlike in other threads) .... like a technical cc specialist. We even have an expert blogger on the subject!
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yah, the seniors here in CC thread all crazy over credit cards, hahaha
You referring to me ar? Since I started blogging in 2009 on CC, I now have 4 blogs. Too damn free, hahaha.

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QUOTE(Human Nature @ Apr 14 2011, 11:38 AM)
right after pumping petrol using cc, then u received an sms..dangerous?  tongue.gif
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ya good one, email to BNM on this, hahaha

anyway, here is my article I posted at my blog in regards to the Star headlines.

http://creditcardsmalaysia.blogspot.com/20...harges-sms.html
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QUOTE(simplesmile @ Apr 14 2011, 09:46 PM)
Read this article and would like to ask...
http://creditcardsmalaysia.blogspot.com/20...harges-sms.html

You know how airlines always asks us to switch off HP? If fraudulent charges happened during the several hours we are on the airplane, who is going to bear the costs?
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hahaha, another good one. Or you don't have international roaming or Telco upgrading or phone rosak or stolen...
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QUOTE(kezman @ Aug 11 2011, 09:37 PM)
my salary now is below 36k...

my CC now is Maybankard 2 Card, CIMB Petronas and also CIMB Visa Signature (supplementary).....is is ok??or need to cancel 1 card??
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No need, you can have cards issued by 2 different banks i.e. 10 cards from 1 bank .
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QUOTE(Lord_Ashe @ Nov 16 2011, 08:31 AM)
Heard on the radio this is per BNM's directive for wage earners below RM36k per annum.They really do act fast don't they.
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It was announced in March this year. Please refer to pinned thread.

Click below to read The Star article posted online today

http://thestar.com.my/news/story.asp?file=...8825&sec=nation
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QUOTE(stuffx @ Dec 23 2011, 11:54 AM)
what will happen to those who earn less than RM36k annually but still have more than 2 cards after 1 jan 2012?
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read the 1st post where Bingozero gave link to MBB FAQ.
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QUOTE(cfa28 @ Jan 13 2014, 05:11 PM)
I had an interesting conversation with BNM via the telelink phone number.

Basically my wife tried to ask Public Bank to lower the SMS Alert to RM30 from the default of RM500.

Public Bank refused to do so and when my wife mentioned BNM Policy, they said the lowest that Public Bank is willing to go is to RM100 and that BNM said that consumers can choose to receive SMS Alert for all trnasactions is for 'Online Transactions' and not Credit Card Transactions.

So, I got angry and called BNM via the Telelink and spoke to the BNM Officer (but I forgot her name).

I told the BNM Officer my story and her reply was:

1. BNM says that consumers are to receive a SMS Alert for all Transactions above the default amount

2. BNM did not set the default amount although it is understood that most Banks have set it at RM500

3. Consumers are free to choose their own default levels subject to 'mutual agreement' with their Banks.

4. Where the consumer and the Bank cannot agree on the lower amount, the consumer can insist to lower the amount subject to the consumer agreeing to pay the charges for the SMS Alert as this is considered as an additional service.

I did mention to the BNM Officer that the default amount of RM500 is too high as culprits in places such as Restaurants, Pubs can just swipe 2x of RM200 and the consumer will not know until the Statement arrives and will be in a difficult position to dispute such transactions.

But BNM Officer says to 'negotiate with the individual Bank concerned.

Should I send an official e-mail to BNM to confirm this?

Calling also other sifus Gen-X boon ronnie to give expert comments

For the record, I have managed to get my other CC like AEON, Alliance and OCBC to lower the threshold to say RM30. But Public is the most troublesome so far.
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Bro, accept the RM100 default and make sure it works then only write to BNM . If you ask me, why want a Public Bank credit card that pays 0.3% cash back.

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