This post has been edited by tehtmc: Apr 26 2011, 06:14 PM

actually, u can. assuming u did both part 1 and 2 locally.

i checked this just now with one of the CAAEM accreditation committee member and he confirmed it. the reason why diploma LUCT + australian degree was not accepted for LAM despite having RAIA certification was that those are considered as twinning programme. i dont exactly remember the rulings on this, but it's been around since the 90s.

if not, then it wont explain why UTM diploma (in KL) or polytechnic diploma had no problem for accreditation. CAAEM only accredits part 1 and 2, they never look into the diploma programmes. so there's no issue of accredited diploma or not.

azarimy
I thought you did say that Taylor's diploma graduates who further their studies in the UK to B.Arch. also need to sit for LAM Parts 1 & 2 ?

So what your saying is that i'd get exempted if i did both part 1 & 2 locally(utm etc.)?

What about doing part 1 & 2 overseas? (UCL, RMIT, Auck U, Sheffield etc.) after doing an unaccredited diploma?

Is it considered twinning if i use my LUCT diploma to enter into an overseas university?

all overseas graduates now will have to sit for the exam, regardless of accreditation.

for those from accredited degree (RIBA, RAIA etc), u will go through an interview where u will pin-up/exhibit ur portfolio. this is fairly straightforward. they will assess all ur works based on LAM part 1 or 2 criteria. they will ask u a few questions, explore on ur works, ur experience and knowledge of local practice.

those from non-accredited degree, i heard it's a little bit different.

local IPTAs, i mean.

refer to the above. avoid twinning from IPTS at all cost. or anything that remotely sounds like it, just to be sure.

Referring to what u said, and just to be clear about the subject, is that what I'll be going through if i complete my part 1 & 2 degree overseas after the LUCT diploma or even if i went through the utm diploma? No exams?

This post has been edited by 123.abc: Apr 26 2011, 07:11 PM

no, if u join an IPTA (accredited) and pass, u will be exempted, accordingly. it doesnt matter which diploma.

what u should worry is that, whether the IPTS diploma can qualify u into an IPTA in the first place.

That's probably in the proposal stage.

The Architect's Act would need to be amended before the requirement can be enforced.

All matters to do with accreditation, examinations and registration are governed by the Architect's Act.

A similar exam has been proposed for foreign medical graduates but it is yet to be gazetted.

Alright. But if i join and complete my part 1 & 2 in an accredited overseas university, I'll just have go through the interview etc. to pass the part 1 & 2?

let me make a little correction.

those graduating from RIBA schools that is accredited by LAM (refer LAM website) can immediately register as a graduate member and practice. those not from those universities, regardless being accredited by RIBA, must go through the exam as mentioned before.

- as clarified by the CAAEM member.

refer above.

So going through this route
SPM>LUCT diploma>apply into part 1 degree(overseas LAM accredited school)>part 2 degree(overseas LAM accredited school)
Does what you said apply to me? I can immediately register as a graduate member?
Or do i have to take both exams because i did my diploma in LUCT?

This post has been edited by 123.abc: Apr 26 2011, 08:28 PM

if u graduate from LAM accredited schools, u should be able to register as LAM graduate member. but whether u can do so without any problem remains to be seen.

Alright.. Its good to hear that Btw what kinds of problem will i face in the accreditation process? Does it depend on my grades?

On another issue, If i were to work overseas, all I have do is to register with the relevant board of that particular country?

i really cant say.

definitely.

lol. erm ok. Well then, thanks alot for your help Mr.Azarimy. I'll be back if i have anymore questions.

This is all very interesting. Thank you very much for your response.

While the school keeps both soft & hard-copies of my works, the original copies of my works remains with me no matter what. But just only recently, the trade model storage area at Taylors architecture block has been thoroughly cleared of all its contents & cleaned up. All of my works such as the previous presentation boards, final models, conceptual models, drawings sheets, etc. has been removed for good. But thankfully I am still having the soft-copies of all my drawings & panels, & the photos of my final models. However, my conceptual models (demonstrating really interesting concepts) are gone for good as I had not took photos of them... Anyway, this is not a problem; all is well. I will continue producing works that are always better & improved over the previous.


Alright, here are some questions out of my curiosity once again;

When you said that "UTM's diploma now specializes on building a strong technical base", what exactly is the main "technical" emphasis on? Is it also similar for the Part 1 & Part 2 degrees?

While "UTM used to be very strong technically", I'm curious to know what is the reason for toning-down/reducing the technical aspects today (why has it been toned down)?


Regards - it is good to take a break from work.

This post has been edited by Benjamin911: Apr 27 2011, 07:04 AM

i. technical here generally referring to the ability or knowledge on construction, working drawings, structural understandings, services, by-laws, costing and so on. basically it's the science of making a building work. it's halfway towards the "engineering" part of architecture, although we dont really go that far.

so UTM diploma is now going back to its roots, by training students to be able to produce highly technical designs. this means they should be able to figure out how the glass frame sits on a steel hung structure and draw it on paper. which means most of their reference books will be about that.

ii. it's been toned down because of several reasons. one, LAM or even RIBA requirement dont need them to be able to go that high on technicalities. back then a diploma student could already design a complex 4 storey building complete with everything on it. whereas that is a requirement for degree part 1. so we have been overburdening the students for things they should learn later. imagine teaching add maths at primary school.

it is also have been toned down to make way for other emphasis on architecture such as theory, research, experiments, philosophy, culture, human behaviours, sustainability and so on. making the building workable technically is of course important. if u cant draw ur building properly, how do u expect people to construct them? but the other aspects of making a building work is also extremely important. if ur building can be built but is a magnet for crime, what's the point?

these are some of the aspects that were not focused before. so in light of specializations that UTM adopts, we realized that we need to open the students up to more possibilities. in doing so, we have to let go of certain things that have been preoccupying the students, mainly the extremely high emphasis on the technicalities.

we believe that technicalities can be learned on the go in the first 3-5 years of practice. students can refer to books and magazines, or even the firm's previous works. but the other aspects such as philosophy, they need to really understand about it before going off to work. u just have no time to develop an understanding of philosophy, culture, or human behaviours during practice, because that's where people expect u to apply ur knowledge, not gather more.

so for those joining UTM degree from 1st year, u'll be trained holistically in the early years, balancing all the aspects of architecture. towards the upper years, u'll be exploring into highly technical complexity while juggling on the other aspects. towards the end, u'll be specializing into a niche area which u're interested in and hopefully develop further more.

the UTM diploma students on the other hand will develop strong technical sense. when they join UTM, they will mix with the degree students and this is where peer-learning takes place and hopefully those skills/knowledge acquired earlier will rub off each other. the degree students will share the design exposures with the diploma graduates, while the diploma graduates will share their technical expertise.

and yes, it does mean in UTM, u cannot survive alone. we put about 60-70% of learning from peers, about 20% from lecturers and the rest on ur own. so if u're a passive, introverted KIASU, u will not survive here . knowledge sharing is where it's at.


This post has been edited by azarimy: Apr 27 2011, 07:28 PM

interestingly, this year UTM have a smaller number of applicants for architectural degree intake, less than a thousand. i guess that's good news, because there's a better chance for all of you compared to last year . good luck for the interviews tomorrow!

for those who didnt get the call, but really, REALLY determined to join, i recommend u to just drop by in UTM KL tomorrow or friday and request to be interviewed. they might let u in, although not necessarily will accept u. but better chance than not getting the interview at all, right? but keep this amongst u. dont tell the coordinator or invigilator that i said this!


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and i stumbled upon this today while helping a friend.

http://www.limkokwing.net/malaysia/highlig...tecture_degree/

so limkokwing is claiming that they offer the ONLY accredited architecture degree? kalau aku saman ni, kaya aku. tehtmc, u wanna join or not?

This post has been edited by azarimy: Apr 27 2011, 07:30 PM


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Im not selected for matric and diploma for architecture .
Now im only waiting for jpa, which i think i have quite low chance for it..

The last choice for me will be form 6, but izzit worth to study for 2 years non-related to architecture? taking stpm, the 2nd chance, i scored straight A in spm, then still go for the 2nd chance, izzit a good choice?

or i should just go for private U, but im kinda worry for the unaccredited cert ;S

haiz, confusingggg

if this year's applicants are any measure of intake for next 2 years, i'd say STPM has a good chance of getting in. score 3.00 and u'll stand a fair chance. anything above than 3.5 u're almost definitely in unless u screw up during the interviews lol.