if you said you supported long ago you shud realize United dont just dominate for 10-12 years..they dominated more than 2 decade now and contantly still winning alot of title.

There's no comparison at all.

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Added on March 14, 2011, 5:43 pmOf cos i miss those days.. but nowdays i laugh at you

This post has been edited by Yukieliow: Mar 14 2011, 05:43 PM

Haha.. Nice one.

It really resembles the Arsenal fans/players that were so arrogant before the game.
Lesson: Be humble

In any given era of the EPL (and previously first devision) life, there will be a team that is dominating while the others will just have to play catch up...

Although United has been the constant force in the current EPL era, it was a 25 year wait before United won the league title in '92. Similarly, despite dominating the 70s & 80s, Liverpool has not won the league since 1990. And by the time George Graham delivered the league title to Arsenal in '88, it had been a long 18 year wait for the fans for the league title.

For me, I see a lot of deficiencies in the current arsenal squad which can be improved, and whether or not wenger is the man to spearhead the next era of success for this club is up for discussion right now. but what i do know is that, that time of arsenal's success will arrive, and if it means waiting for 18 years, i will proudly wear the arsenal jersey until then. i mean, what's 18 years compared to chelsea waiting for 50 years or sp*rs entering their 50th year of waiting for the league title?

i know that it's really painful when fans of other clubs take the mickey out of us right now, but let's not fall into the trap of dignifying their taunts by retorting to them, or even worse, going down to their level. now let's hope that wenger will make those difficult decisions to ensure that we won't end the season empty handed. but if we do, then too bad loh... there's always next season... =)

all those debates are pumped by the media somehow. They expect Arsenal to win trophies every season. To me, its normal. Every team has its up and down

seems like Arsenal.com only post those positive tweet from fans...

those bashing one not included in...

http://www.arsenal.com/news/news-archive/-...to-bounce-back-

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Added on March 14, 2011, 7:44 pm“Nobody in England believed we could even fight for the top four. The fact we are in the position we are in I think deserves a lot of credit"

source: http://www.arsenal.com/news/news-archive/w...eel-in-our-side

is Arsene going to use this excuse if we dont win the BPL?

This post has been edited by flyingteeku: Mar 14 2011, 07:44 PM

rosicky was so sharp back then....
wat happened now..... wah..... =.=

Nah, I don't think the media rate Arsenal that high.

To me, the media are just highlighting that being 5 (almost 6) years of trophy-less after:

-Winning the Double in his first full year in charge.

-Breaking the Utd dominance. He stopped us from being the first team to win back to back to back to back premiership title in 2002.

-That Invincible Season

Something is seriously wrong. Either Wenger need to change his philosophy or he has taken Arsenal as far as he could.

About the beautiful football thingy, to me when you guys had Pires, Bergkamp, Henry, Viera, you guys played one of the most beautiful and entertaining football and still it comes with a trophy or two every 2-3 seasons.

What happened between then and now?

Actually, they do when Arsenal in a driving seat to win a match or a cup. But when Arsenal fails, thats where the media hits them pretty hard. Something more of creating mixed emotion. This is what people want to hear, and the media are feeding them directly.
For example, media never really put City and Spurs in the limelight when they have quite a strong squad to compete for the title. They ain't that interesting, well nobody wants to know about these two clubs. Its more of manipulating words for which story could be sold best.

I do agree that during the era of Pires, Bergkamp, Henry and Viera was one of the best season that we ever had. But thats in the past, i sense that some of the fans hard to let go and move on. 6 years trophy less, look at Pool, they yet to win the BPL till today and they still sticking with their team like a glue even though criticize mainly by United fans.
I don't think Arsene need to change his philosophy, because thats what Arsenal should be look upon as. I don't see the need of following Chelsea, City or even Spurs footsteps of spending big. But i know that we could have used a couple more players in the squad, but definitely is a NO on changing policy of the club.

Something seriously wrong ? Funny statement i tell you, in a match the better team wins. Clearly, in the last 3 games we lost, the other team was better. I don't see a problem with that. When united fall to pool, does that means that there's something seriously wrong ? I don't think so, simply Pool outclassed united in that match.

I got this over the internet. I am not sure whether the guy that posted this is an Arsenal fan or what but I do think he is frustrated and somewhat has valid points.


By Stewie Griffin


Thoughts?

That's referring to the 5 (almost 6) years of trophyless seasons, not referring to the last 4 games.

On changing philosophy, I didn't ask you guys to become another Chelsea.

Surely theres a middle ground between paying £500k for a Johnny Unknown from Somalia and paying £50m for the stroker from Spain which yet to score. No?

"The last 6 years", i'm getting bored with this statement. TBH, i don't think Wenger is a major reason which cause this. Yeah, when the club don't do well, its easy to point out that the manager not good enough. I believe the players failed to take the oppurtunity. I admit that we lack of a real leader, a general in the squad. Plus few fringe players (Denilson,NB52) who never live up to expectation. I guess in this 6 years, he just wanted to bring the best out of a player, but looks like some of the players just failed. Its a risk manager takes on a player.

What do you reckon aside from becoming another Chelsea ? The problem with Arsenal is, we just cant compete financially in the market when clubs like Chelsea, City emerges, thus leading to hike in player prices. Few clubs take advantage of this situation hiking up a value of a player. We are so tight financially despite the board states that we could spent.
Building a squad takes time, may be we just gotta be a lil more patience.

If he managed to bring the best out of the player/s he will be heroes BUT now he failed. He took a risk (betting on younger players) and he did not succeed, surely it's his fault.

If you read my post, I did not ask you to become another Chelsea but to find a middle ground between paying £500k for a Johnny Unknown from Somalia and paying £50m for the stroker from Spain which yet to score. Example, Van Der Vaart cost Spurs only 7 mill. Mascherano are linked with Arsenal for £ 20-24 m (reasonable in this climate). Those are the example I meant.

If Arsene spend on these kind of players every 1-2 seasons, then you might not lose Adebayor, Toure and maybe Cesc.

If Arsenal win the premier league this season, will you change your perspective ?

i do think AW is too kind to the players. hes not the ferguson type of manager. he keep on backing his team and believing in them. but sadly somehow i think certain players let him down badly. well i do think hair dryer style do works sometimes.

his biggest mistake i think is he throw away all the seasoned players leaving his young team with no guidance and no one to look up to. they somehow became arrogant and too comfortable knowing arsene will have to played them even when they sucks big time.

Whenever Arsenal's players are more sedate in their comments, they are called a team lacking in guts and confidence. When they display some confidence, they are called a team lacking in it. Can't please everyone.

A change of philosophy is certainly needed if the philosophy has been deemed to fail. But what is the philosophy?

Is it not that you can build a sustainable youth system to create many players indoctrinated and trained from youth to a single playing style, rather than taking on a team of journeymen with past habits that may need to be suppressed to fit in the team? Of course it's the former. That is not to say the latter is not a formula for success, but Arsenal is trying the former.

On this basis, it is still too early to judge the success of the "philosophy". The average age of this squad is still far too small to properly say that this philosophy has failed. To set a criteria of having a young squad lose few critical matches is not fitting as yet.

Not that I'm saying it'll all eventually turn out well, but the whole vague notion that everything has fallen apart is merely down to being eliminated in quick succession in the past two weeks, rather than any objective, big-picture view of the club's policy. Wait another four years, then I think it's much easier to judge whether the long-term policy is a success or failure. Perhaps most fans won't have the patience, but Arsene is not gonna change radically his approach and we most definitely won't be able to line up a long-term replacement and expect instant results, so the best course of action is to stay the course.

The risks are huge, but the potential rewards enormous. If we get a strong production line up and running and keep enough players to their late 20s well, then you can have sustainable squad refreshes while maintaining experience. That was the idea then and it's still far too early to say it has failed.

Frankly, from a personal point of view, I love the spirit of pioneers, taking risks in trying something new rather than sticking with the status quo. Sure, there is a risk of failure, but also success and you never know until you try. I'm glad that Arsenal tries to forge its own identity and can ignore the status quo rather than cave in to pressure to conform to conventional ideas.

A point to note: Henry, Vieira and Ljungberg were brought in when they were aged 20-21. The change between then and now is that we try to get them before they become reliable young 20s players. I understand the point that this should be balanced with some older, experienced players, but I would hold out a couple more years before making such demands.

Certainly, I don't believe this summer will be a silent transfer window for us.

These shit happen and how they are viewed are always based on how the season ends up with. Arsenal, Man Utd and Chelsea have all had spectacular stumbles in their title-winning seasons but they are quickly forgotten upon success.

My point is not that Arsenal wil leventually come good this season, but that these single points in time are only pin-pointed by trophy-oriented nitpicking fickle fans and that these single events do not define a season (seeing as that spectacular mishaps can be followed by both a disastrous or glorious season end) and any arguments hinged upon them alone loses a hint of credibility unless they manage to tie it logically with future fortunes, which I believe this comment hasn't.

Arshavin came for £15m, Sagna for about £7m and Vermaelen £10m. No small purchases, these.

It is vital to remember that Arsenal's revenue has almost doubled in the last decade and gone from being Newcastle's financial equal and lagging behind Liverpool to runners up against Man Utd. This can only go up as the sponsorship deals are refreshed.

Secondly, Arsenal's spending is not based on absolute and arbitrary values (e.g. never spend more than £15m a year) but based on sustainable levels (spend 10% turnover on transfers). So we are not stuck in a low-spending policy, because revenues will increase and our buying power will follow.

Finally, of course, we are simply at less risk of financially imploding, breaking UEFA Financial Fairplay rules and definitely much less volatile against ownership change instabilities. Football as it is is highly unsustainable. No Premier League clubs can reasonably expect to make long-term profits at current market conditions and if football was not so much more linked to passion, it would have been a burst bubble long ago. But you wonder whether football can defy economic reality in the long term. Arsenal definitely can.

Truth hurts man but I am sure no one would ARGUE with those statements cause it's FACT!

Don't be silly. Win West Brom first and then we talk.

i know,it's easy to blame people.but his reasoning of why arsene is "the best" *sarcasm* is not acceptable for me.

Waiting for answer

For those worried about losing Cesc, I won't worry too much.

He's tied until 2014, will only leave for Barca and Barca has not enough cash.

I reckon we can get 1-2 seasons out of him at LEAST.

I've replied to another poster previously, but I don't think he's failed just yet. The youth policy is long term. Barca's youth policy in its current form owes a lot to Cruyff of the early 90s and for all the acclaim Xavi gets, he's 30 years old and was given a lot of time to mature.

We may yet be staring at barren seasons for another 4 seasons, but I'd say the judge is still out on the "success" of Arsene's current policy.

I also talked about our financial situation projected to improve in the next few seasons relative to Man Utd and other major clubs. This can only mean climbing up the market and having more purchasing power in the future.

So too early to judge. You may well turn out to be right, of course, but we can't say just yet.