Dein or no Dein, le old Pete or Wenger... we've never actually spent crazy money on any player.

Our most expensive signing during those years was what... Sylvain Wiltord for 13M? Or 10M up front for Jose Reyes? (good lord we didn't pay the full amount of 17M for the latter). I seriously can't think of any huge money signings in the realms of Torres--> Chelsea or C.Ronaldo-->RM. Arshavin was sorta a "huge money, huge fame" signing and now there are even people who want him out of the Grove.

Lots have been said about our team's recent disappointing results, in particularly the future of certain players who have underperformed. I don't think anyone will object to change, but unless a takeover/change in managerial personnel happens it'll just be the same nip-tuck here and there. Maybe it's the coaching staff/tacticians that might need a revolution since many of our old problems tend to persist.

What's also important is to avoid injury crisis - which is something that always happen to our team especially the core players. Whether it's over-optimism by the treating staff or overbearing rehabilitation/training methods I guess nobody really knows; but I'm beginning to think there might be a very cute physio or nurse in the treatment room. I wanna go there someday to check it out.

Adebayor was never as bad as many (especially Arsenal fans and later City fans) think. It's more of his diva-attitude that many detest. Not sure whether fame got to his head or it's just a retaliation to fans who didn't appreciate his contributions, but note that during his early days he was actually one of the most hardworking and humble players who got along well with his Arsenal mates, Henry in particular. Having said that he did have a reputation from Monaco as one of the more difficult personalities to manage.

But yeah, Ade often comes good vs T'ham, but credit to T'ham for going further than we did in the CL although with a 4 goal deficit against Mourinho, the master of defence, will be more than just an arduous task.

This post has been edited by StarGhazzer: Apr 6 2011, 06:38 PM

not to mean any offense. but don't you think Dein is important in the club. He used to work together with Wenger to sign Arsene's desired plyaer

Same could be said of Gazidis when you think of players like Arshavin. Do you prefer Dein simply because his tenure coincided with the most successful spell in recent times? I'd like to hear some of your points

Yes he was important.

The reason he was ousted is because he had a different vision of Arsenal's future. He did after all, oppose to moving to the Grove and side with Usmanov's sugar-daddy policy while our current board (mainly under Fizman's influence) stuck with the self-sustaining business model.

It's difficult to say whether Dein's vision would be a better choice for Arsenal. Chelsea succeeded with Roman's money, many others didn't. Maybe Usmanov's money would give us greater freedom in this inflated transfer market, maybe it will simply sink us in unrecoverable debt. No one knows.

Ivan Gazidis has done a pretty decent job in marketing the Arsenal brand, although one may argue that he's too much of a yes-man to Arsene's philosophy. Do I want Dein back? I can't answer that since he has proved his calibre in managing the commercial side of things; but I can say I'm relieved that Usmanov didn't take full control of the club or at least cause too much disruption in ownership issues - teams like Liverpool suffered from that this season.

Apart of your question, I would say yes. I prefer Dein over Gazidis because Dein was involved during Arsenal's most successful period.
But when you think another angle, it will give you another answer.

Remember who brought Wenger into the team. It was Dein.
Wenger wanted players like Henry, Vieira, Robin and so on. Dein helped him to sign.
I guess during that time. Dein was the only person who dares to challenge Wenger in term of vision and signing due to seniority.
I guess Emirates stadium was pretty much Dein and Wenger's idea
After that, Dein wanted to bring Usmanov to the board but it was rejected and Dein chose to leave. Did Wenger said anything about it? No, but instead Wenger asked his old friend whether he needs to resign to support him. (Its still in Wiki)(Its not any solid proof but it was the rumors at that time)
Apart of signing players and managing the club, Dein did actually went into the dressing room during half time break to inspire the players
I am not saying Gazidis is not good but he is doing a decent job.
At the end of the day, Wenger never says no regarding Usmanov taking over the board but only complaining how Roman spends his money in transfer.

Now, its only Wenger who is making decisions in the team. He might make some mistake sometimes. Gazidis was brought in to relieve some of Wenger's burden.
We cannot justify who is right and wrong with Dein should be in the board or not.
But think twice, if Usmanov did take over the board because Dein. I am pretty sure Dein and Wenger have their own plans. Besides that, will Wenger spend the money just like how Roman spent? I don't think so

Although Dein's contributions have been brilliantly immense in terms of getting Arsenal development, trophies and international recognition, I think hindsight is a risky business when a team is suffering from a trophy drought. Sure it is easy to clamour for a man who co-developed Arsenal into what it is today, but some perspectives have to be put in place. Dein had roughly 2 decades to execute his plans while Gazidis has only 2 years to date.

And if you consider the circumstances surrounding Dein's resignation e.g. irreconcilable differences and the fact that he came back with Usmanov in an attempt to buy over Arsenal just to fulfill his wishes, you will be inclined to think that Dein is a dominant man who wants to have everything according to his tastes. What did a dominant man do when everyone disagreed with him? Sought another dominant man -- maybe dominant is too shallow and assumptive a way to describe Usmanov but hey what do we know about birds of the same feather flocking together?

Bringing somebody who is extremely temperamental back to the Arsenal is a food for thought. More so when you take into account the fact that Peter Hill-Wood, whose family heritage is filled with Arsenal through and through, sought to block the Dein-Usmanov takeover attempt with a lock-down agreement. How do we know whether Dein and Usmanov were genuine? That's right we can't and won't know but one thing is for sure, I sleep soundly at night because I know Hill-Wood is there. He knows the board members, including Dein, better than all of us combined and he is Mr. Arsenal.

Oh wait, wrong post!

We should have a sugar daddy like what the spineless, one-liner, self-proclaimed Arsenal fan said. Or..... wait I think I know what he is going to say. No sugar daddies no talk. No trophies for 6 years! FACT. Spoken like a true maggot.

Adebayor has never been good to me. Whether he has a diva attitude or not. He's only like a Bendtner version (maybe even worse than Bendtner) who gets to start and play longer. I remembered how frustrating to watch all his misses and some opposing defenders don't even bother to mark him on long range. Im glad he's gone.

This post has been edited by ProbMan: Apr 7 2011, 11:23 AM

I'm glad that he's gone too due to how strained the relationship between him and the club has been, but "worse than Bendtner" is a dangerous statement. Adebayor, after all, has scored 30 goals/season plus both him and Fabs were vital for our title challenge in 07/08.

Anyway, arseblogger makes a wonderful statement today:

http://arseblog.com/2011/04/boardroom-rumour-and-youth-hype/

If we haven't seen Bendtner so often in recent years, will people's expectations of him be more reasonable? If we haven't heard about Theo when he was 16, will we not be disappointed if he didn't knock 20 goals per season?

Even for Jack who has performed well for his first full season debut, I personally don't think he is as mature as Fabregas was at a similar age. I simply can't remember a game where Jack controlled the entire midfield like Fabs did; although having said that it may be because Jack is somewhat not a playmaker like Fabs is. In short, Jack is doing just fine but the less we think of him as Arsenal (and England's) saviour, the better it is for him.

This post has been edited by StarGhazzer: Apr 7 2011, 09:03 PM

Ade is definetely better than Bendtner. No doubt bout that.

IMHO, Bendtner is a type of 'lazy' player. He doesnt go around chasing the ball. He only waits for other players to feed him the ball. He is one player that Arsene should sell him off in the summer.

I think Vela also better than him..

i rather lose bendtner than ade

just my cent

sure can, we must believe we can

hi guys, havent been posting here quite a while.
not in the mood for some serious discussion, so im just gonna leave this pic chill you guys

You probably haven't watched enough of Bendtner, although being stuck on the right flank doesn't allow him much freedom to do what he's best at .

Vela can't even earn a regular starting spot at WBA, and it would be surprising if he walks straight into the first team next season and displaces Andy.
Nevertheless, Vela's similarities with Dudu might make him a suitable partner for Nik; only if both of them manages to prove themselves worthy of first team spots in the near future.

And seriously Ade? Seriously?
http://soccernet.espn.go.com/news/story/_/...-league?cc=3436

Well if you came out early during THAT summer and pledging your loyalty to the club, instead of giving contrasting decisions during every press conference and later feigning innocence over everything, you might actually still be at the Grove.

This post has been edited by StarGhazzer: Apr 8 2011, 08:41 PM

HNGGGGGGGHHhhh, makes u wanna rip that shirt off and tap that thing

WTF!!! Adebayeor scored 2 goal against spurs now all talk about him being great. I was hoping after his loan spell at Madrid he would be sold off to a club in France and slowly fade away or become a actor in Togo. This guy is not a professional footballer he is only in the game for the money & limelight. I still remember his last few month at arsenal he didn't even jog on the pitch. He only puts all in energy in his celebration when he score a tap in. His excuse, arsenal not paying him enough... Ade GTFO...

i got the feeling diaby will start...sagna also got problem,maybe eboue will got his chance..

sauce

he's missing Arsenal, perhaps it just started to sink in him how great this club are and how fortunate it was for him, but unfortunately there's no u-turn.

Now spring start, everyone of them wearing v cut / low cut shape top.

though there are damn ugly one that wear those also ma

Arshavin, Clichy and Bendtner are Gonners as Wenger planning shock Arsenal clearout

what you think?clear some space for new face...