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mumeichan
post Oct 5 2014, 09:30 PM

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QUOTE(MisterLee @ Oct 5 2014, 09:26 PM)
My first choice is NYU Stern School of Business, sir!
I am praying to all the gods available in this world that I do get in to NYU!
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2100 will get you into something better than Stern. Besides, I wouldn't apply as a pre-admit to the b school if I were you.

http://poetsandquants.com/2014/01/17/where...n-consulting/2/

Although this is for consulting and for MBA it does represent the general preference employers have towards college graduates. NYU and its Stern has never been a popular choice.I would say getting into the top consulting firms are by far the harder than getting into any other jobs, including Wall Street investment banking. So from this you can who the top employers prefer.

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post Oct 5 2014, 09:42 PM

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QUOTE(mumeichan @ Oct 5 2014, 09:30 PM)
2100 will get you into something better than Stern. Besides, I wouldn't apply as a pre-admit to the b school if I were you.
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Stern is amazing at networking, which would really help me when I look for summer interns and all that.
What do you mean pre-admit?
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post Oct 5 2014, 09:50 PM

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QUOTE(MisterLee @ Oct 5 2014, 09:42 PM)
Stern is amazing at networking, which would really help me when I look for summer interns and all that.
What do you mean pre-admit?
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Are you sure? You should think about leveraging on the alumni body. It helps when the person making the hiring decision is an alumni.

You know, even if you're in california, these companies will pay for your air-ticket and hotel to attend the interview. If they call you for an interview, means they are willing to hire you subject to whether they like you or not after seeing you face to face. The interviewer will always be the team you are going to work with.

And for the top unis, they will have people visit the uni and conduct interviews there every year. So don't go to stern just because it's in New York.
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post Oct 5 2014, 09:54 PM

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QUOTE(mumeichan @ Oct 5 2014, 09:30 PM)
2100 will get you into something better than Stern. Besides, I wouldn't apply as a pre-admit to the b school if I were you.

http://poetsandquants.com/2014/01/17/where...n-consulting/2/

Although this is for consulting and for MBA it does represent the general preference employers have towards college graduates. NYU and its Stern has never been a popular choice.I would say getting into the top consulting firms are by far the harder than getting into any other jobs, including Wall Street investment banking. So from this you can who the top employers prefer.
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I apologize if I sound rude or anything, it is not my intention to do so.

MBA is still pretty far back on my plan, most people go for their MBA's in their late 20's. And also, for consulting, it is different, as shown in the link, I am more interested in investment banking. There is a website called wall street oasis, it is a forum for experienced and or new wall streeters, and NYU is a well regarded school with chock full of powerful alumni's. There is also a report showing that NYU has the most students (I think, or somewhere around the top 3) working in Goldman Sachs, JPM, MS and, BAML and the rest.
Of course, if by any miracle that I get into Wharton, I'll choose Wharton.
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post Oct 5 2014, 09:58 PM

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QUOTE(mumeichan @ Oct 5 2014, 09:50 PM)
Are you sure? You should think about leveraging on the alumni body. It helps when the person making the hiring decision is an alumni.

You know, even if you're in california, these companies will pay for your air-ticket and hotel to attend the interview. If they call you for an interview, means they are willing to hire you subject to whether they like you or not  after seeing you face to face. The interviewer will always be the team you are going to work with.

And for the top unis, they will have people visit the uni and conduct interviews there every year. So don't go to stern just because it's in New York.
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Yes, I am sure. I have done extensive research on it.

Well yes, but first of all, most west coasters would opt for Silicon Valley, next is that the abundance of investment bankers are from east coast schools. It makes a huge difference.

Yes, they are called Wall Street Target Schools.
While the location is one of my many reasons of picking NYU, it only serves a small percentage. The other school that is in NYC is Columbia, which is an Ivy, and that one is hard.
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post Oct 5 2014, 10:10 PM

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QUOTE(MisterLee @ Oct 5 2014, 09:58 PM)
Yes, I am sure. I have done extensive research on it.

Well yes, but first of all, most west coasters would opt for Silicon Valley, next is that the abundance of investment bankers are from east coast schools. It makes a huge difference.

Yes, they are called Wall Street Target Schools.
While the location is one of my many reasons of picking NYU, it only serves a small percentage. The other school that is in NYC is Columbia, which is an Ivy, and that one is hard.
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I see. Looks like I've been out of touch and you've done your research. With a 2100 you should safely land a spot in Stern. GL
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post Oct 5 2014, 10:18 PM

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QUOTE(mumeichan @ Oct 5 2014, 10:10 PM)
I see. Looks like I've been out of touch and you've done your research. With a 2100 you should safely land a spot in Stern. GL
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Yeah trust me, they have the most extensive networking and the largest firms recruit their new employees there biggrin.gif

And thanks so much for that, I really needed to hear that. icon_question.gif smile.gif
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post Oct 6 2014, 01:53 PM

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QUOTE(MisterLee @ Oct 5 2014, 08:59 PM)
Alright, um, how about, finish studying? As in finish all there is to know for the SAT's?

Ohh, right, for accounting it is a lot of work. We have different systems. It also goes the other way around, if a person has a non-US accounting degree and wants to work in the US, it is alot of work, you need to take exams and all that stuff, and then it is not guaranteed that you get to work there.
All being said, accounting jobs are so much higher pay than it is here or most of the world, why would you want to come back?
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The SAT is like any other exam, there is no way to study "everything". For example, the earlier parts of CR section usually include some bizarre words you have not, and probably never, encountered before.

Yup, which is why I am extremely worried about it, I need to do further research and whatnot about it.

As I replied earlier to another poster, I want to take care of my parents as a minute form of repaying them for what they have done for me.
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post Oct 6 2014, 02:05 PM

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QUOTE(myming @ Oct 6 2014, 01:53 PM)
The SAT is like any other exam, there is no way to study "everything". For example, the earlier parts of CR section usually include some bizarre words you have not, and probably never, encountered before.

Yup, which is why I am extremely worried about it, I need to do further research and whatnot about it.

As I replied earlier to another poster, I want to take care of my parents as a minute form of repaying them for what they have done for me.
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Yeah I know, I have seen the words. Unheard of.

Mm, this is just a suggestion but, you also have an option to save enough money there and then send your parents over afterwards? This suggestion would mean nothing if your parents don't want to leave Malaysia sweat.gif
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post Oct 6 2014, 07:40 PM

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QUOTE(MisterLee @ Oct 6 2014, 02:05 PM)
Yeah I know, I have seen the words. Unheard of.

Mm, this is just a suggestion but, you also have an option to save enough money there and then send your parents over afterwards? This suggestion would mean nothing if your parents don't want to leave Malaysia  sweat.gif
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I don't think USA PR's are that easy to get, besides I don't think it is fair for me to ask them to leave all their friends and whatnot just to start over at a foreign land. Also, they would be pretty old by the time I can afford to do so, so yeah, not very feasible, thanks for the suggestion though! biggrin.gif
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post Oct 6 2014, 11:55 PM

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QUOTE(MisterLee @ Oct 4 2014, 11:53 PM)
No worries, the more the merrier! Plus, you should be one of the most experienced ones here.
Where are you now?
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Working in the US smile.gif Graduated in 2011.
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QUOTE(myming @ Oct 6 2014, 07:40 PM)
I don't think USA PR's are that easy to get, besides I don't think it is fair for me to ask them to leave all their friends and whatnot just to start over at a foreign land. Also, they would be pretty old by the time I can afford to do so, so yeah, not very feasible, thanks for the suggestion though!  biggrin.gif
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US permanent residency is indeed difficult to get.
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post Oct 7 2014, 12:43 AM

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QUOTE(myming @ Oct 6 2014, 07:40 PM)
I don't think USA PR's are that easy to get, besides I don't think it is fair for me to ask them to leave all their friends and whatnot just to start over at a foreign land. Also, they would be pretty old by the time I can afford to do so, so yeah, not very feasible, thanks for the suggestion though!  biggrin.gif
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Indeed it is insanely hard to get. Either there is immigration reform or there isn't.

Hmm, yeah, my mom said the same thing, but then again I don't really want my parents to be at some suburb all by themselves.
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QUOTE(spunkberry @ Oct 6 2014, 11:55 PM)
Working in the US smile.gif Graduated in 2011.
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Oh so are you on H1-B or do you have a green card now?
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post Oct 7 2014, 02:12 AM

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[quote=MisterLee,Oct 5 2014, 09:25 PM]
Hi,

Unfortunately, US colleges do not offer undergraduate degrees for law. It is recommended that you take subjects like English, public speaking, government, history, philosophy, economics, and mathematics. Because you will be competing with tens upon thousands of hopefuls just like you, whether they are American or International, it is always a good idea that you enrol into a reputable school. Since, you'd like to try Harvard, that is even more important. Although Harvard is amazingly holistic and they don't mind if your school has a relatively muted brand. The secret is, you have to stand out. What makes Harvard pick you over a thousand or more prospective students?

Note that Harvard does not just look at grades. Even with a 4.0 GPA does far from guaranteeing a seat for you in Harvard, or any other top school for that matter. There are other schools that are just as good as Harvard, so don't go dead set on one, you'll definitely regret it later on.

A word of advice though, if you want to pursue law in the US, thats great! Salaries are, if I'm not wrong, one of the highest paying in the world. So, go wild! But you should know that you can't come back to Malaysia without a set of problems in your way. So think it through and prepare accordingly. Also, you'll be working your ass off smile.gif
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Thank you so much for your info

I wonder if i need to study my undergraduate degree in us if i want to study law there?

law is my first choice but i still thinking whether to study in business, invesment or law

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QUOTE(spunkberry @ Oct 6 2014, 07:55 AM)
US permanent residency is indeed difficult to get.
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QUOTE(MisterLee @ Oct 6 2014, 08:43 AM)
Indeed it is insanely hard to get. Either there is immigration reform or there isn't.

Hmm, yeah, my mom said the same thing, but then again I don't really want my parents to be at some suburb all by themselves.
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Agreed. I applied for the US Diversity Visa 2016 lottery a few days ago. I reviewed the statistics from the results of the previous years and the calculated chances for a Malaysian national to win is roughly 1%. No harm trying, though.
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post Oct 7 2014, 08:15 AM

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QUOTE(MisterLee @ Oct 7 2014, 12:55 AM)
Oh so are you on H1-B or do you have a green card now?
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I'm a permanent resident now.
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Thank you so much for your info

I wonder if i need to study my undergraduate degree in us if i want to study law there?

law is my first choice but i still thinking whether to study in business, invesment or law
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Technically you could still apply for a J.D Program with an undergraduate that isn't from the States. Most schools would ask you to submit your transcripts to the LSAC Credential Assembly Service to be evaluated. I'm not sure how it's gonna affect your application, but generally law schools really take into consideration your GPA and your scores on the LSAT.

Not to be a downer, but I would really recommend taking law somewhere other than the US. Just because (if I'm not mistaken) you can't practice law in Malaysia if you get your J.D in the States. I do not think Malaysia recognizes the J.D.

Also, as a previous poster said, it's incredibly hard to get residency in the States. Also, the amount of lawyers in the States is already staggering and finding employment (especially without residency) would be very, very, very difficult.
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QUOTE(latias93 @ Oct 7 2014, 03:33 AM)
Agreed. I applied for the US Diversity Visa 2016 lottery a few days ago. I reviewed the statistics from the results of the previous years and the calculated chances for a Malaysian national to win is roughly 1%. No harm trying, though.
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Is it? I thought Malaysians don't normally go to the US, so our quota would rarely reach, should be much more easier than other countries. Unlike China and India, they always overshoot their quota so the chances of being a permanent resident through lottery is extremely rare. I have seen somewhere that Australia and New Zealand also almost always reach their quota.

Actually, Pew Research shows that a lot of European countries, like over 95% of them, plus Australia and New Zealand have net outflows of population to the US. Which is shocking really, I mean they are all developed nations.

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QUOTE(spunkberry @ Oct 7 2014, 08:15 AM)
I'm a permanent resident now.
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