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post Oct 2 2014, 02:02 PM

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QUOTE(MisterLee @ Oct 2 2014, 08:56 AM)
Oh really? Maybe the schools I picked out are just really picky and are just asses. UMich Ross is one of my backups, but since I'm taking the A Levels, I might as well apply with CAL. The thing that bothers me about public schools is that they don't offer a lot of financial aid ( I'm talking about 500$) to students, wether international or local.
Where did you apply to and where are you now?

I feel like I'm giving myself pressure though, all these schools I'm targeting.

Actually I wouldn't want to apply with my SPM, I don't think I will do well enough in it.

Well some actually do, like Purdue, it shocked me, almost none of the schools accept UEC, Caltech and MIT I'll make an exemption to it, since it doesn't care what you apply with. About subject tests, I don't know, but I have to take it, so when I do, I'll report back to you xD
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Hi MisterLee, want to share my two cents about applying to US unis, hope you don't mind.

Background: Just finished my A-Levels this year, means I did my SATS and US applications last year.

1. Be close to your lecturers.
Assuming you will be applying through Common App, you will need 2 references. If you intend to enroll in Taylors for your A-Levels, they will have one already prepared for you by your class teacher. The other one can be outsourced via a high school teacher, tuition teacher or simply a lecturer for another sub.

First impressions are extremely important, hence make yourself as likeable as possible towards your lecturers, have casual talks with them, let them understand you more, it really helps them put more context into your reference.

2. Studies
If you intend to apply to some good unis, results are extremely important, and by results I mean your A-Levels AND SPM. You will have to submit high school transcripts, and if I am not mistaken its means your Form 4 year end results, SPM and A-Levels (for form 4, if your year end result slip includes results from your mid years, you have to submit the entire thing, not just just the year end results).

3. Co-co
As someone mentioned earlier, US unis take an extremely holistic approach when it comes to selecting their students, and college/pre-u is a good time to bolster your CV. Join clubs and societies that interests you, join activities and take up leadership roles, and if you garner enough support, you might be able to start your own society!

4. Unis
Be realistic with your choices. Don't have the perception of "oh since I am spending so much money to go there I must aim Ivys and tier ones or not apply at all." Don't. Be honest with yourself, it is fine to aim high, but have some "backup schools" as well.

5. Essays
You need to start writing them early,which means you need to decide on what unis you want, check the dates and prepare accordingly, whether you want to go for ED or RD etc. It is always nice to have a 3rd person perspective of your essay, so don't worry on showing it to your family and friends!

I wish you all the best in your applications, and may you gain entrance to the school you desire biggrin.gif





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post Oct 2 2014, 10:40 PM

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QUOTE(MisterLee @ Oct 2 2014, 04:02 PM)
I'm always happy to hear more stories! It makes me feel prepared  thumbup.gif

You did your US applications last year? Why is that? Is it because you want to prepare yourself better?

Yes, enrolling into A Levels in Taylors is what I'm planning to do next year. Can you give me an example? About being friendly with lecturers? Oh and can you tell me your experience?

Well yeah I am aware of needing to have good grades. I will strive for straight A's in A Levels, I hope its not uber-hard  cry.gif But I can tell you that I won't get like straight A's or even less than that, since I am from a Chinese private school and I am expected to take care of both SPM AND school results, which is almost impossible, and my high school grades aren't perfect either, which worries me that it would only bring down my chances of being accepted I'm just hoping they are holistic enough to see past these ugly spots  cry.gif  cry.gif  cry.gif

Are there alot of choices in Taylors? I have a few ideas to bolster my EC's, they are volunteering, interning at banks, and one more is helping the homeless (still figuring out how)

Well um, I'm not exactly targeting Ivy League's, but NYU (the school I really really really want) is pretty high up there in the case for business and finance. What do you think? My rest are UMich Ross, UVA McIntire, UTAustin McCombs, Georgetown and um probably a few more.

Alright, I'll take your advice, but I'm not sure what to write about, do you mean the personal letters or the essay in the common app? Um, I'm not sure I want to show it to my parents though, I have a rough idea what I am going to write and I'm not prepared to let them know. I would show it to my friends though. Do you have other tips though? Possibly on PM?

Thanks!  biggrin.gif  biggrin.gif
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Hi,

Yup, because I was expecting myself to go to uni right after my A-levels, unfortunately I did not get any offers.

I am not sure how the Chinese vernacular school culture is, but in my high school being friendly with teachers was pretty common. Just joke around while maintaining good grades, sounds weird but seems to work haha. My lecturers were very nice, some even came to college at night to tutor us during exam period.

Well, just try your best, I am sure you will do alright. smile.gif

I went to TCSJ, so I can only speak for that. The co-co activities are pretty abundant, and have a wide variety as well, just pick wisely. Those stuff you said also help, a little goes a long way, just don't do them at the expense of your studies.

NYU is really good, but living costs might be a bit steep, so it is your call in the end, the others I am not so sure. I will be applying to UTAustin as well! I don't wish to see you there as I hope you get a spot in NYU. tongue.gif

There are no UK styled "personal statements" for US apps as far as I know, it is usually all essays. It is fine, you can source English tutors outside and have them give their opinion on it, albeit with a fee. Understand this, there is no shame or waste in paying someone experienced to spot-check/give feedback to you, that money spent could potentially secure you a spot at your desired uni. I don't think I am qualified to give you any advice on essays as I will be applying for the same intake as you, however application process wise I might be able to give you a hand whenever I can, just shoot me a PM.

No problem blush.gif


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post Oct 3 2014, 02:47 PM

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QUOTE(MisterLee @ Oct 2 2014, 11:10 PM)
I thought they don't open up early decisions until about the end of August? Wait, if you didn't get any offers, what are you doing now?

We are okay I guess, we certainly do joke around with teachers, except for b****y teachers. And you must have heard about how chinese school students are not really that sociable and tend to stick with their own group? Yeah thats true.

I hope so, I really do. How much of a drag do you think a bad high school transcript will be?

Yeah thats the school I'm going to. As I live in Klang, so TCSJ will be the closest one to me, and even then its about half an hour (28 mins actually) away without traffic, the Sri Hartamas one would be about 45 mins without traffic but who are we kidding, its KL, there will always be f***ing jams!
Oh btw, can you give me a few examples of clubs and orgs in TCSJ? I'm sure you still remember some?

Yeah its amazing! I went to its off-campus info session 2 weeks ago and I have never felt a stronger urge! I just HAVE to be there, and I both my parents are pretty impressed. Yeah, I'm aware, I can't really do work study because its only 20 hours per week.
That is like the nicest thing to say! Albeit in a sarcastic tone lol. I have heard great things about UTAustin though, especially its BHP, its a wall street target school ya know.

Yeah, I dunno why but UK style PS's all seem the same, bland and boring, but UK schools aren't really all that holistic anyway  cool2.gif  I have seen those websites where they offer tutors that teach you how to write the best personal statement possible, but its kinda pricey to be honest. I might try it though, but I'm not sure about my dad. It's okay, I need all the advice I can get.  biggrin.gif

I have one extra question though, just out of curiosity, because most malaysians would go for UK or Aussie schools, what made you choose the US? And what made you ignore UK or Aus schools?
I would actually like to ask this to everyone haha because it really isn't that common to see people who want to go to the US, either the UK or Australia.
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Early decision opens in November for most unis. I am now interning at a think tank.

Hahaha, well, you know the problem, find ways to make things right in college then.

I have friends from Klang who leave home at 6+am to make it for 8am classes, if that gives you an idea of the traffic. I joined Model United Nations (MUN). It is basically a society where they send you to conferences, in which you will represent a country and discuss on world issues. Rotary/interact clubs are pretty good too, just have a look during co-co day, they might have newer societies.

Well, if you have their support, I have nothing more to comment on this apart from all the best. smile.gif

Well, you might say it is bland and boring, but I see it as structured and organised. That means the context of the PS is extremely important as you are given less wiggle room to make achievements seem more impressive than they really are. As I said, this is a decision you have to make alone, I am just a stranger on the internet giving my 2 cents. biggrin.gif

From my perspective, it is because we are a commonwealth country, our professional certifications are linked (ACCA, ICAA, Bar), it is easier to find a job here should you not find one at the country you studied at. Application processes for US unis can be tedious as well, the number of essays that need to be written are proportional to the unis you apply, whereas for the UK one personal statement is all you need. The UK and Aussie unis "pre-uni" programme are widely available as courses for you to take (A-Levels, SAM/AUSMAT) as well, whereas SATS can be difficult to prep for because it is an extra study. Then again, ADP is slowly gaining traction so I believe that might change in the coming years.

I chose the US because my dad thinks it is an extremely promising place to obtain a tertiary education, and he shared his sentiments with me which got me interested.
I did apply to Aussie, as TCSJ has "ties" with most Aussie unis, so all I needed to do was to meet the requirements for my desired course, fill in form and submit. No application fee whatsoever. In terms of the UK, unless I am applying to your LSE's or UCL's (which I am wayyyy underqualified), I don't see it worth going as I can apply to HK/Singapore, which is equal if not better than most UK unis. Mind you I am not planning to apply a science-based course, hence there is no need for good educational facilities (labs).

Cheers. thumbup.gif

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post Oct 4 2014, 01:21 AM

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QUOTE(MisterLee @ Oct 4 2014, 12:13 AM)
Jesus, drove my friend back to setia alam from Klang took like 1 and a half hour!!!

Wow, which one? BCG? Bain?

Yeah I know... My cousin brother wakes up at 6 and reaches at 7 just to avoid the traffic. It is just like, really really bad. SHIT! That is such a cool club! Imma think of joining it!

I appreciate that :-)

Oh yeah, you're right. Never really thought about it that way.... But this just goes to show that UK universities are really not all that holistic, at least, far and away from the US.

Mm, I was also thinking that, it all goes down to convenience. I also think that US applications are really so frustrating and tedious, but on the other hand, I sincerely want to do my studies there and have a job there, so it doesn't really bother me that much. Annoying and tiring? Definitely. Will it discourage me? Never in a billion years.
Well, most people will say the most cliche thing, that is, I like Europe/UK better because its pretty and slow moving and all round good place to live in (COMPLETELY ignoring the economy and if it will provide opportunity), while the only perception they have of the US is guns and negative bias that doesn't even hold water =-= They always seem to forget how vast the US is, there are slow moving, nature dominating places, at the same time, busy and exciting metropolis'. Shallow asses.
Wait, I thought you're only studying it for a month? The SAT's I mean.
Is it? Doesn't really feel like it, alot of people still don't know what it is.

Your dad is absolutely right though, what did he say exactly? I'm curious haha, I mean, if you don't mind.
Hmm, yeah I guess you're right. You'll opt for the US at the end though right?
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Nope, it is called GMMF, they promote moderation through activities and deal with social issues locally and internationally.

Great! You have the spirit! thumbup.gif Try to convince some of your college friends to apply there as well, it is good to have people on the same boat as you. Well, I haven't heard anyone say that about the US, to each of our own I guess.

I am taking the November seating if that is what you meant.
Yeah, I never heard of it till I started college, but after a bit of digging it seems pretty popular as it is time and cost efficient.

It was more of an influence than a one-advice thing, so I don't think I can give you any insight on that.
Well, it depends. If I get my top choices it is a no-brainer, but if its UT Austin vs Uni of Melbourne, sigh, I don't know. rclxub.gif
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post Oct 4 2014, 05:45 PM

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QUOTE(mumeichan @ Oct 4 2014, 01:59 PM)
If you're planning to come back, you should know that there are more University of Melbourne alumni here compared to UT alumni. If you'd ask any random person, chances are they'll think Melbourne is a far better university since they hear the name often and UT is some unknown chapalang university.

I'm not even kidding. You can be from UPenn, Columbia, UChigaon, U Illinois, UCLA and they'll have the same perception too since it's unknown in this part of the world.
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Hi,

Yes, I intend to come back here to work, but not right after I finish my tertiary education, I want to work there for a couple years.

Of course, even by world ranking UMelb higher than UTAustin, but there are other factors such as costs of living, tuition fees, job opportunities etc.

Thanks for the advice though, appreciate it biggrin.gif
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post Oct 5 2014, 12:21 AM

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QUOTE(limeuu @ Oct 4 2014, 09:41 PM)
90% of people who stayed back to work in the states will not return to msia after that....

the ratio is about the same for australia...

much less for uk....
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Maybe, but as of now I intend to support and repay my parents as soon as I can.
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post Oct 5 2014, 01:08 AM

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QUOTE(MisterLee @ Oct 4 2014, 11:59 PM)
Never heard of it but sounds like a pretty decent one smile.gif

Thanks!
I am though, I have a really wierd talent of influencing people, my friends say brainwashing, but I think its just irresistable convincing. Plus, I don't do it on purpose most of the time. Now, most people just come to me and ask right away, and I essentially recommend them, guide them and all that. I have 5 "clients" at the moment  nod.gif  whistling.gif  cool2.gif
Well, I hear that on occasion. I dunno, they just say its not for them or something like that.

Um, no, I meant how long did you study for the SAT's, like how long did you take to feel confident?
Almost everyone in my school knows nothing about it :-/

What are your top choices at the moment then?
Go to UT Austin! I forgot what major you're going to pursue, but it should be fine there either way biggrin.gif
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Yup, it isn't that popular, but I am happy there smile.gif

Ahha, well, as long as you all see it through, I am sure you guys will all do well.

To be honest, I never felt confident about it, so I really can't help you here, sorry.

I plan to do accouting, which has that certification issue I mentioned earlier as I worry it might be a hassle to "port" it should I come back to work.


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post Oct 6 2014, 01:53 PM

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QUOTE(MisterLee @ Oct 5 2014, 08:59 PM)
Alright, um, how about, finish studying? As in finish all there is to know for the SAT's?

Ohh, right, for accounting it is a lot of work. We have different systems. It also goes the other way around, if a person has a non-US accounting degree and wants to work in the US, it is alot of work, you need to take exams and all that stuff, and then it is not guaranteed that you get to work there.
All being said, accounting jobs are so much higher pay than it is here or most of the world, why would you want to come back?
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The SAT is like any other exam, there is no way to study "everything". For example, the earlier parts of CR section usually include some bizarre words you have not, and probably never, encountered before.

Yup, which is why I am extremely worried about it, I need to do further research and whatnot about it.

As I replied earlier to another poster, I want to take care of my parents as a minute form of repaying them for what they have done for me.
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post Oct 6 2014, 07:40 PM

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QUOTE(MisterLee @ Oct 6 2014, 02:05 PM)
Yeah I know, I have seen the words. Unheard of.

Mm, this is just a suggestion but, you also have an option to save enough money there and then send your parents over afterwards? This suggestion would mean nothing if your parents don't want to leave Malaysia  sweat.gif
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I don't think USA PR's are that easy to get, besides I don't think it is fair for me to ask them to leave all their friends and whatnot just to start over at a foreign land. Also, they would be pretty old by the time I can afford to do so, so yeah, not very feasible, thanks for the suggestion though! biggrin.gif

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