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post Jul 14 2005, 09:31 AM, updated 21y ago

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Overview

A sexually transmitted disease (STD) is a disease caused by a pathogen (e.g., virus, bacterium, parasite, fungus) that is spread from person to person primarily through sexual contact. STDs can be painful, irritating, debilitating, and life threatening. More than twenty sexually transmitted diseases have been identified.

Incidence and Prevalence
STDs occur most commonly in sexually active teenagers and young adults, especially those with multiple sex partners. An estimated 200 to 400 million people worldwide are infected-representing men and women of all economic classes.

According to the U.S. Department of Health and Human Services, in the United States more than 13 million people are infected each year and more than 65 million have an incurable STD. Generally, STD incidence has declined in the United States over the past 15 years, although rates among certain populations, including men who have sex with men, have increased.

Characteristics
Most STDs cause relatively harmless disease, producing few or no symptoms. However, some produce persistent asymptomatic or minimally symptomatic disease (e.g., chlamydia). Some people carry the disease for days or weeks, while others carry the disease for longer periods, even for life. During this time, an infected individual, or carrier, can spread disease.

In persistent infection, the pathogen evades detection by the immune system and remains fairly inactive, causing no overt disease. This inactivity is called latency. However, certain triggers (e.g., stress, immune suppression, injury) can reactivate latent pathogens. In some cases, reactivated disease is asymptomatic (e.g., chlamydia); in others, overt (e.g., genital herpes); and in still others, severe and even fatal (e.g., HIV/AIDS).

Complications of STD infection include pelvic inflammatory disease (PID) and inflammation of the cervix (cervicitis) in women, inflammation of the urethra (urethritis) and inflammation of the prostate (prostatitis) in men, and fertility and reproductive system problems in both sexes.

Possible consequences to an infant infected while in the womb or during birth, include stillbirth, blindness, and permanent neurological damage.

A person infected with an STD is more likely to become infected with HIV, and a person infected with HIV and another STD is more likely to transmit HIV.

Treatment

Viral STDs, such as genital herpes (HSV) and human immunodeficiency virus (HIV), cannot be cured, but symptoms can be managed with medication. Bacterial STDs, such as gonorrhea and chlamydia, can be cured with antibiotics. Fungal (e.g., vaginal yeast infection) and parasitic (e.g., trichomoniasis) diseases can be cured with antifungal and antihelminthic agents, respectively. Early diagnosis and treatment increase the chances for cure.

Prevention

The only sure way to avoid becoming infected with an STD is monogamy with an uninfected partner. It is important for partners to discuss their sexual and STD history before having sex. Prevention is possible only if sexually active individuals understand STDs and how they are spread.

The risk for transmission is dramatically reduced with the use of condoms. The following behaviors and conditions can increase the risk for STDs:

Engaging in sexual activity when either partner has unhealed lesions (e.g., genital herpes sores, genital warts)
Enema or rectal douching before rectal intercourse
Rectal or vaginal irritation or infection
Sexual activity that may damage the mucosal lining of the vagina or rectum
Tampon use (Tampons can cause vaginal dryness and cellular abnormalities. Sanitary napkins, either disposable or washable cotton pads, are recommended.)
Vaginal dryness (Water-based lubricant is recommended.)
If you suspect you have an STD, see your physician immediately.
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post Jul 14 2005, 09:33 AM

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Yeast Infection

As many as 75% of women experience genital candidiasis, also known as vulvovaginal candidiasis (VVC), candidal vaginitis, monilial vaginitis, monilial infection, and vaginal yeast infection during their lifetime. Overgrowth of the fungus Candida albicans, normally present in vaginal flora, causes an allergic reaction that produces symptoms. It most commonly occurs in sexually active young women and is the most commonly diagnosed vaginal infection.

Genital yeast infection generally is not considered to be a sexually transmitted disease, but it is possible to acquire infection from a partner with genital or oral colonization. Men with genital yeast infection are usually asymptomatic.

Causes and Risk Factors

Vulvovaginal candidiasis is an opportunistic infection associated with risk factors that disrupt the body's natural defense against proliferation and infection, such as the following:

Broad-spectrum antibiotic use
Diabetes mellitus
Douching
Immunodeficiency
IUDs
Pregnancy
Scented feminine hygiene products
Steroid use
Signs and Symptoms
Itching, burning, and vulvovaginal pain, irritation, and inflammation are common symptoms of yeast infection. Thick, white, cottage-cheesy vaginal discharge may coat the vaginal walls. There is no foul odor. Urination and intercourse may be painful.

Diagnosis

Cultures, a pH level check, and microscopic examination of vaginal secretions are usually performed to confirm the diagnosis and help rule out other possible infections.

Treatment

A single dose of fluconazole or antifungal vaginal cream containing miconazole or clotrimazole is typically prescribed. Creams usually are used for 3 to 7 days. Chronic yeast infection may be treated with oral antifungal drugs for an extended period of time.

Most physicians discourage women from diagnosing and treating themselves with over-the-counter medications, because symptoms may be produced by more serious vaginal infections, such as bacterial vaginosis or trichomoniasis. Some over-the-counter medications contain ingredients that relieve symptoms but do not effectively treat the infection.

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Chancroid

Chancroid is a highly infectious bacterial disease caused by Haemophilus ducreyi that affects the skin and mucous membranes of the penis, vulva, urethra, and anus. It produces painful irregularly shaped nonsyphilitic ulcers (called chancroids, soft chancres, or soft sores) that may heal without treatment.

Incidence and Prevalence
THe number of new cases of chancroid in the United States dropped to approximately 140 in 1999. Chancroid is most common in men aged 25 to 35. Some tropical regions, Canada, and some European countries have experienced recent outbreaks.

Causes and Risk Factors

A person who has a chancroid sore may transmit the disease during vaginal, anal, or oral sex. Ejaculation is not necessary for infection to spread. An uncircumcised man is more likely to contract the disease, because foreskin may hinder hygiene, hide sores, and promote the spread of bacteria. The disease cannot be spread to infants during childbirth.

Signs and Symptoms

First signs of infection typically appear 3 to 5 days after exposure, although symptoms can take up to 2 weeks to appear. Initially, a tender bump develops at the site of contact. After 1 or 2 days, the bump develops into one or more shallow sores (ulcers) that break open, deepen, and become inflamed. Ulcers are pus filled, painful, and may persist for several weeks. In men, they are most common at the base of the head of the penis (glans), though they can appear on the penis shaft. In women, ulcers are typically found on the labia and near the clitoris.

Less commonly, infection spreads to the scrotum, perineum (between scrotum or vagina and anus), anus, rectum, and thighs. Touching the ulcers can transfer bacteria to the fingers, which can transfer bacteria to other areas, including the mouth, during contact. Anal sores may bleed and cause pain during defecation. Men often develop one to four sores on the penis, and foreskin may swell. Women may develop ulcers around the vagina and rectum and may experience vaginal discharge. Painless sores can also develop on the cervix.

In about 50% of cases, mostly men, the lymph nodes in the groin develop into inflamed, pus-filled swellings (buboes) that can develop and enlarge until they burst the skin. They drain continuously, remain open, and can become infected by other bacteria. The infection can spread to other parts of the body by scratching or rubbing. A burst bubo can take months to heal completely. Open ulcers increase the risk for contracting other STDs, including HIV.

Diagnosis

The presence of Haemophilus ducreyi, seen under a microscope, indicates the disease. Diagnosis is often confirmed by a culture or biopsy of an ulcer. Although the bacteria do not enter the bloodstream, a blood test is performed to rule out or identify the presence of other STDs, including syphilis and genital herpes.

Treatment

Chancroid has become resistant to penicillin and tetracycline. Regular doses of erythromycin, trimethoprin, or ciprofloxacin are given for up to 2 weeks. Alternatively, azithromycin or ceftriaxone may be given in a single dose. A follow-up examination is typically required 7 days after starting treatment. Healing usually takes 10 to 11 days, but may take 2 weeks. Buboes may need to be drained with a needle (aspirated) under local anesthesia and scarring may occur from those that burst on their own.

Chancroid is a local infection that has no long-term effects. Recurrence is experienced in less than 10% of cases and may result from improper use of medication (e.g., not taking the entire prescription), a weakened immune system, or re-exposure to the bacteria through recently healed skin.

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Chlamydia

Nongonococcal urethritis (NGU) is a nongonorrheal bacterial infection of the urethra (tube that carries urine out of the body) in men. NGU involves Chlamydia trachomatis, which causes chlamydia. The term NGU refers to the condition in men and chlamydia refers to the condition in women.

Incidence and Prevalence
According to the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC), chlamydia is the most common bacterial infection in the United States. The CDC estimates that 3 million new cases occur each year; however, because as many as 75% of infected women and 50% of infected men do not experience symptoms, only about 500,000 cases are reported annually.

Chlamydia is most prevalent among teenagers. Nearly 75% of all new cases occur in women under the age of 25. By age 30, 50% of sexually active women have been exposed to chlamydia. NGU is the most commonly diagnosed sexually transmitted disease in men in the United States.

Causes

Bacteria are spread through direct sexual contact involving the genitals, anus, or mouth. Several types of bacteria cause NGU and many are undetectable during diagnosis. The most common are Chlamydia trachomatis (causes 50% of cases), Mycoplasma genitalium, and Ureaplasma urealyticum.

Signs and Symptoms

Most people who develop NGU for the first time do so 1 to 3 weeks after having sex with a new partner. Symptoms may be similar to those of gonorrhea and include yellow or clear urethral discharge; pain and tenderness in the genitals; pain, burning, and itching during urination; and low-grade fever. Orogenital or oral-anal contact can result in throat infection (pharyngitis) and inflammation of the rectum (proctitis). Some women experience pain or cramping in the lower abdomen, especially during intercourse, and bleeding between menstrual periods.

Inflammation of the cervix (cervicitis) with discharge is common. Notably, most infected women and 50% of infected men experience no symptoms.

Complications
In men, untreated NGU can cause epididymitis, inflammation of the reproductive system that may result in fertility problems. Symptoms resolve in about 60% of untreated chalmydial infections.

About 40% of women with untreated chlamydia develop pelvic inflammatory disease (PID), which creates a risk for infertility, endometriosis, and other reproductive tract problems.

Pregnant women with chlamydia are at increased risk for miscarriage and premature detachment of the placenta (abruptio placentae). Babies born to infected women may suffer eye, ear, genital, and lung infections; serious infection can be fatal to an infant.

Women with chlamydia are 3 to 5 times more likely to become infected with HIV if they are exposed to the virus.

Diagnosis

Diagnosis involves observing signs and symptoms and analyzing urethral discharge (usually at least 4 hours after urination). Urine is usually collected in the morning. Urethral inflammation may be noticeable. If discharge is present, a sample is collected and cultured to determine the presence of and identify bacteria. Blood tests are performed to check for signs of infection. A small cotton swab is inserted just inside the urethra to collect cells to check for other STDs.

Because infection may be asymptomatic, people with multiple sex partners should be tested annually, even if they feel fine.

Treatment

Antibiotics are used to fight the infection; treatments may vary for men and women. A single dose of azithromycin (Zithromax®) or a 7-day course of doxycycline (Periostat®) usually is prescribed. Erythromycin is the preferred treatment for pregnant women, nursing mothers, infants, children, and adults unable to tolerate tetracycline. Recurrent NGU that is not associated with re-exposure may be treated with a drug that was not previously used. Ofloxacin (Floxin®) may be used for recurrent NGU if the white blood cell count is high.

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Gardnerella Vaginitis

Bacterial vaginosis (BV) is characterized by the overgrowth of certain bacteria in the vagina, including Gardnerella vaginalis, Gardneralla mobiluncus, and Mycoplasma hominis. Bacterial vaginosis is grossly underdiagnosed because many women assume they have a yeast infection and treat symptoms with over-the-counter medications.

Incidence and Prevalence
Bacterial vaginosis accounts for 60% of vulvovaginal infections. Young adult women, particularly those who are sexually active, are most commonly affected.

Causes and Risk Factors

BV is caused by a change in the natural balance of bacteria in the vagina. Lacotbacillus, helpful bacteria, metabolizes glycogen to lactic acid in the vagina and maintains normal vaginal pH, which provides a natural defense against unhealthy bacteria proliferation.

When the defense is weakened, other bacteria present in the vagina (e.g., Bacteroides sp, Peptostreptococcus sp, Gardnerella vaginalis, G. mobiluncus, Mycoplasma hominis) proliferate and cause symptoms. Aboout 50% of women have G. vaginalis in their vaginal flora but do not develop infection.

Broad-spectrum antibiotics may destroy healthy bacteria, disrupt the vagina's normal flora, and promote infection. Douching, overused or retained tampons, intrauterine contraceptive devices (IUDs), diaphragms, contraceptive sponges, and products containing nonoxynol-9 may also disrupt the balance.

Bacterial vaginosis also is associated with having multiple sex partners, a new monogamous sexual relationship, and a history of STDs.

Signs and Symptoms

A fishy vaginal odor, itching, and irritation are common signs of BV and may be particularly noticeable after intercourse or menses. It may be accompanied by a smooth, sticky white or gray discharge 4 days to 4 weeks following exposure. Elevated vaginal pH level is also a symptom.

Complications
BV is associated with pelvic inflammatory disease (PID), infertility, tubal (ectopic) pregnancy, premature birth, and low birth weight in infants born to infected mothers.

Diagnosis

Diagnosis is usually made by visual observation and by smell. A pelvic examination is performed to determine whether the cervix is producing abnormal secretions and to check for other diseases.

Vaginal fluid may be treated with a 10% solution of potassium hydroxide (KOH), which makes the characteristic odor more pronounced. A sample is usually taken for microscopic examination to confirm the presence of bacteria, and pH levels are checked. Most physicians recommend a full STD screening.

Treatment

Antibiotics such as metronidazole and clindamycin are generally prescribed, as oral (pill) or topical (cream) treatments. When used topically, these medications may cause side effects such as stinging, burning, and irritation. Douching should be avoided.

Sex partners may require treatment if infection recurs.

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read the rest here:

Genital warts
Gonorrhea
Granuloma
Herpes
Lymphogranuloma
Molloscum
Crabs
Scabies
Syphilis
Trichomoniasis
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post Jul 14 2005, 10:03 AM

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Very good information u got there

A lot of my frens (who r sexually active) r ignorant about STDs

Should show 'em this. But it is rather long. Is there a quick summary tat shows Name, Symptoms, What happens to u if u get the dieases, Treatment? Sumthing like how CLEO mag would summarize it
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QUOTE(Silent_scream @ Jan 4 2006, 05:43 PM)
Very good information u got there

A lot of my frens (who r sexually active) r ignorant about STDs

Should show 'em this. But it is rather long. Is there a quick summary tat shows Name, Symptoms, What happens to u if u get the dieases, Treatment? Sumthing like how CLEO mag would summarize it
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it's better not to know much bout std if wanna do ons

coz i know a lot...make me dun dare to do it altho got chances...
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QUOTE(Malaysian @ Mar 16 2006, 05:17 AM)
it's better not to know much bout std if wanna do ons

coz i know a lot...make me dun dare to do it altho got chances...
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just make sure ur partner is clean... or condom all the time.. condom reduce risk of STD
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yeah...
too many to read... so lazy! anyway, the info is good
avoid raw-sex, or sex rambang, then u safe lor!
or else, limit ur partner no., never change frequently
or do with strangers! I think so...

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Duh......avoid (never) have sex b4 marriage...

Done.....I rest my case.
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Yup.

Sky jumping is dangerous but fun.

If you want to do it, make sure to equip a parachute.

Same thing with sex.

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i think its best to put a condom on at all times. its not just abt STD we're preventing but unwanted pregnancy as well. we have to be responsible for ourselves and also our partner.

theres nothing wrong in having sex(im not promoting pre-marital sex), but do the right thing, put on a rubber. ignore ppl who tell u without rubber more siok la etc etc. those ppl are just plain ignorant. wait till they kena HIV or something then we'll see what so siok abt that.
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QUOTE(dario_julius @ Jun 23 2006, 03:22 PM)
Yup.

Sky jumping is dangerous but fun.

If you want to do it, make sure to equip a parachute.

Same thing with sex.
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The parachute might fail sometimes. Same thing with sex. whistling.gif
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QUOTE(red-queen @ Oct 11 2006, 10:45 AM)
the safest sex is no sex smile.gif
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by the way, how to know that our partner is free from STD? I mean beside checking with the medical?
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Check for synptom?
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QUOTE(suiteng @ Oct 13 2006, 09:33 AM)
Check for synptom?
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I don't think so. The person might be a carrier and yet does not display the symptoms until later.
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Yep, looking for signs of infection doesnt work. For example: a person with aids taking modern medications would look like everyone else, and be in relative good health.


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QUOTE(youngkies @ May 1 2006, 08:52 PM)
just make sure ur partner is clean... or condom all the time.. condom reduce risk of STD
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LOL..You cannot check whether the person is clean or not via physical examinations itself since it depends totally on the stages of the manifestation of the disease.

Like wise with condom, it can reduce the risk but there's also a few percentage of risks which includes if there's any minor cuts/injury from oral sex. whistling.gif

QUOTE(WaCKy-Angel @ Jun 4 2006, 01:25 AM)
Duh......avoid (never) have sex b4 marriage...

Done.....I rest my case.
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I have patients whom the wife has been "playing" around and the husband did not know until his wife was pregnant and a mandatory STD test was taken proven to be positive for herpes infection. The fetal life was in danger, the first thing that came to our mind was the husband's "fault" but when we did the test on him, the results came back to be negative. So how sure are u along the road of marrige that such things could not happen? wink.gif

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there is no safest way to have sex ,but use condom if still hassitate about someone status , just remember that prevent is better than cure , and there is no cure for hiv/aids , we still have to practice safe sex like mastubation or use condom , but still can get infected ,because if you practice safe sex use condom ,how can you ejaculate and have a baby
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I've one question to ask though - my cousin just found out that she's 2 months pregnant and during a recent trip to a clinic, the doctor said she had contracted VD ( I don't remember the name of it ).

She's seeking a 2nd opinion now and I was wondering, would it harm her foetus? The VD, I mean. I haven't ask her about it because I'm afraid of freaking her out.
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VD as in venereal diease?
i thought that was just another way of saying STD (sexually transmitted diease)
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QUOTE(nezzy @ Dec 11 2006, 07:17 PM)
VD as in venereal diease?
i thought that was just another way of saying STD (sexually transmitted diease)
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Ya, I meant, the doctor told her that she contracted a STD. She told me the name of the STD, but I don't remember what it's called. Herpes? Hermes? rclxub.gif
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there's plenty of info on the net

http://familydoctor.org/091.xml

according to this site there's a chance of it spreading to her child

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i feel sorry for ur cousin

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Oh My God.

Thanks for the link Nezzy. I'll call her later.
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QUOTE(chibi_tenko @ Dec 11 2006, 09:17 PM)
Oh My God.

Thanks for the link Nezzy. I'll call her later.
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No problem

hopefully she'll be ok

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speaking of STDs, i have found this website and i have read about it. you might want to check it out.

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STDs can kill you... the most common one is getting HIV/AIDS

follow the link i gave and read about it
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may i know if aids can be transmitted by touching hand?
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QUOTE(skippro @ Dec 21 2006, 01:30 AM)
may i know if aids can be transmitted by touching hand?
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No. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aids

They really should teach these kinds of things in school.
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HIV and AIDS aren't really detectable STDs.

it may vary from individual and time. sometime one may not know he or she has contracted HIV/AIDS even after a few years.

this webpage here can tell you a little more about the common STDs on how they can be transmitted and some general details about them

http://www.ruthinking.co.uk/help/sti.aspx
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QUOTE(chibi_tenko @ Dec 11 2006, 07:09 PM)
I've one question to ask though - my cousin just found out that she's 2 months pregnant and during a recent trip to a clinic, the doctor said she had contracted VD ( I don't remember the name of it ).

She's seeking a 2nd opinion now and I was wondering, would it harm her foetus? The VD, I mean. I haven't ask her about it because I'm afraid of freaking her out.
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depends la. Usually the doctor will give her antibiotics jab la (but not most of the time since the doctor need to further examine the mother again)
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unsure.gif no sex? i think it is quite imposible la.. i think the safest is to make sure your partner do not carry any STD.
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QUOTE(yeeck @ Oct 10 2006, 07:09 PM)
The parachute might fail sometimes. Same thing with sex.  whistling.gif
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Try trees. Trees don't have STD. Pokok getah for extra protection.
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Try trees. Trees don't have STD. Pokok getah for extra protection.
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gosh getting protection directly from the latex???
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gosh getting protection directly from the latex???
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Hehe. But be careful la don't do it at night. Later see wrongly, actually it's banana tree. Banana tree not on pill.
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All the STDs are notifiable diseases in Malaysia.....means, when u get it, everyone beside u will nkow it IF u seek treatment..
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All the STDs are notifiable diseases in Malaysia.....means, when u get it, everyone beside u will nkow it IF u seek treatment..
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dude....what is STD???standing side by side can get infected???lol
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dude....what is STD???standing side by side can get infected???lol
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very good and professional articles. are you from pharmachy or medical course?
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'STD' has been changed to 'STI' a couple of years back
If possible pls refrain from saying STD to your patients, many are only minor infections and can be easily treated
The hosp that I am working in has informed all docs to use 'STI' instead
Misinterpretation of the terminology by patients may result in psycho-immuno complications as well as treatment behaviour/ compliance
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QUOTE(snowflower @ Jan 22 2007, 06:24 PM)
very good and professional articles. are you from  pharmachy or medical course?
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QUOTE(veon @ Jan 27 2007, 02:38 PM)
'STD' has been changed to 'STI' a couple of years back
If possible pls refrain from saying STD to your patients, many are only minor infections and can be easily treated
The hosp that I am working in has informed all docs to use 'STI' instead
Misinterpretation of the terminology by patients may result in psycho-immuno complications as well as treatment behaviour/ compliance
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can gential wart been healed? where can check whether got STD or not? If never have sex b4 but only masturbate will carry STD or not?

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I just wonder will those HIV Positive ppl able to get healthy baby...saying like if a men got HIV and they took his sperm via laboratory without any physical contact between male and female and inject the sperm to a women who is HIV Negative.............
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I just wonder will those HIV Positive ppl able to get  healthy baby...saying like if a men got HIV and they took his sperm via laboratory  without any physical contact between male and female and inject the sperm to a women who is HIV Negative.............
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afaik,it depends,some are infected as well some are not
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how about my question? Anyone plz? If the penis head there got like bintik bintik kecil consider as gential wart or herpes? I just wanted to ask if never have sex b4 but got masturbate will get this two disease or not. Thanks!
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Dude, please go see a doctor for a proper assesment.

This is just like asking you: How you like the dots on my tie?
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how about my question? Anyone plz? If the penis head there got like bintik bintik kecil consider as gential wart or herpes? I just wanted to ask if never have sex b4 but got masturbate will get this two disease or not. Thanks!
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Have u try to wash it? mayb is the leftover after u masturbate hmm.gif hmm.gif
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lolz.. impossible is leftover ma, oleidi so long at there.. is like tiny little dots on some area at the skin there..
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I am very curious. I read somewhere that you can't contract HIV/AIDS by kissing.

But the same article mentioned that toothbrushes should not be shared. How exactly is the virus spread through anal sex? Will it only happen if there is a cut or tear in the rectum? In that case, does that mean that if both partners have cuts in their mouths, it is possible to spread the virus through kissing?

I'm sorry if I sound ignorant, I've tried to find the answer but generally, no articles provide the information I'm seeking.
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My layman knowledge:
HIV/AIDS not contracted via saliva, but by blood can... so if tongue has a cut, then good luck to u!

Toothbrushes not to be shared... coz brushing of gums might cause bleeding (for hardcore brushes) and thus contract the virus via the toothbrush

spreading by anal sex... dono how its spread... but know that any sex wif HIV/AIDS person is habis liao... tentu spread ady

both have cuts in mouth, yes, can contract if 1 of em HIV positive...

Thats my layman knowledge... maybe those in medic line can help.. ehhe

p/s: my Ques: If have sex wif a person HIV positive but am wearing condom... can the virus spread? thanks


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Have u try to wash it? mayb is the leftover after u masturbate  hmm.gif  hmm.gif
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maybe its tissue paper u used to wipe it... ehehehe sweat.gif

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when i was 18,
i discovered i got some bintik on my brother
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went to a few normal doctors nearby, say is fungus la, bacteria la.
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so actually i had frotcher spots and pearls penis
only 5% of world population has it
come to think of it, hey i've a cool d***!
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what's the % of getting it(STI) with protection?
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oral sex cant transmit std?
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http://sexuality.about.com/od/saferse1/a/safer_oral_sex.htm

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safe sex = have something between you and your partner. e.g. condom.
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QUOTE(EmperorMeng @ Feb 27 2007, 04:08 PM)
when i was 18,
i discovered i got some bintik on my brother
scared like hell
went to a few normal doctors nearby, say is fungus la, bacteria la.
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then i went skin specialist,
he says
"whats the problem young man? ok what.."
so actually i had frotcher spots and pearls penis
only 5% of world population has it
come to think of it, hey i've a cool d***!
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its called 'sebaceous promenade' i think hmm.gif cool.gif . So how do u deal with ur gal when she saw it?? laugh.gif
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haha.. I once read an article from Cleo stated that sexual activity can burn calories. tongue.gif. I also think that it's true la coz sex needs a lot of energy :shy:
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sex is pleasant. sex is good. but sex might also be ur miserable company in the future.

Safest sex are masturbation and sex-chat. But not as pleasant, isn't it? smile.gif

There's no telling u can get STDs or not. You might be wearing 5 layers of condoms but still get one, or threesome homosexuals would do anal and blowjob without wearing anything but are still perfectly healthy. At this rate, if you still wanna get some pleasure, u just have to take the risk.

Different people have different upbringing and their own POVs about sex and romance. As for me, the one who keeps his/her virginity until marriage will lead happier and healthier lives, because sex is not the only thing that keeps them alive.


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QUOTE(Moonstroke @ Apr 6 2007, 12:43 AM)
haha.. I once read an article from Cleo stated that sexual activity can burn calories. tongue.gif. I also think that it's true la coz sex needs a lot of energy :shy:
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hey, sleeping also burn calories lah...
if you want people to have sex or masturbate until drop 10kg, that's impossible.
btw, girls don't burn a lot of calories when they get laid, most of the time they just lie there like kayu.
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QUOTE(King83 @ Apr 9 2007, 01:00 AM)
hey, sleeping also burn calories lah...
if you want people to have sex or masturbate until drop 10kg, that's impossible.
btw, girls don't burn a lot of calories when they get laid, most of the time they just lie there like kayu.
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not all girls like that .... some like to sit upsite haha.... tongue.gif
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QUOTE(Dr. Miranda Bailey @ Apr 8 2007, 07:43 PM)
sex is pleasant. sex is good. but sex might also be ur miserable company in the future.

Safest sex are masturbation and sex-chat. But not as pleasant, isn't it? smile.gif

There's no telling u can get STDs or not. You might be wearing 5 layers of condoms but still get one, or threesome homosexuals would do anal and blowjob without wearing anything but are still perfectly healthy. At this rate, if you still wanna get some pleasure, u just have to take the risk.

Different people have different upbringing and their own POVs about sex and romance. As for me, the one who keeps his/her virginity until marriage will lead happier and healthier lives, because sex is not the only thing that keeps them alive.
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for ur info, masturbation aint sex
sex requires 2 unless its asex

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and my view is that, sex should be when ur most ready for the consequences of it and willing to do it mutually...then its good
sex in marriage does not mean its happy...haha
nor would it necessecarily be healthy smile.gif

QUOTE(h0inerve @ May 8 2007, 08:22 AM)
I should stop doing orals.  ohmy.gif  ohmy.gif
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ala...orals does not need to be stopped
felatio can be done anytime
but cunninlingus...require female to wash up first la...
if not, there'll be white substances creaking out from the lady's promised land...hahaha...although its nothing
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^i don't believe so. IIRC, oral sex can get lovebugs on u too.

i've been tryin to get some answers abt oral. so far most sites addresses fellatio only. muff-divin still remains a gray area for me. hence my question:

i heard of an oral contraceptive from somewhere. does anyone know its safety percentage and where can i get it. Heck, if u can tell me how nasty it tastes, that would be better.

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oral herpes can kena by sharing drinking water?
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I sweat alot when I do it. That means calories are being burnt.
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can we get STDs if both partners are negative? sorry for my blatant ignorance but i cant seem to find anything on this case..
if so, how does STDs originate?
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Wow! now i know the detail information about STD!

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contom helps alot... owes use it when having a "hot dinner"..
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Just make sure to put the safety cap on. Dun be stingy about that. 7-11 24 hours. Even oral sex can spread STD so becareful. Your bodily fluids carry many things.
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sex is good.... good sex brings good health..but please pakai' condom la'. .. use those with nonocylonine ( sorry for the wrong spelling).. for extra protection tongue.gif
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Is condom can prevent std???? Feel a bit scare get infected. But no sex b4 married, no way for me. Can't wait till married. Started it back 4 years ago.
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Abstinence?no in this century anymore.

To prevent STD,most effective way is through oral sex.

Even AIDS is hardly infected from it.
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I have sex almost everyday ...
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oral sex oso can get std?



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QUOTE(zenix @ Mar 10 2007, 11:32 AM)
of course can.

safe sex = have something between you and your partner. e.g. condom.
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wear a condom for oral sex? tat's so potong steam yawn.gif
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Extensive STD review by shadow.
Self written or compiled from other sources? smile.gif
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std can spread thru oral if u got an oral ulcer... eg herpes..

make sure u and ur partner is clean from std and play only 1 to 1 sex..
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how to make sure? if u ask me to give her a third base , i scare herpes, these days siapa tau when the partner's been


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QUOTE(Amedion @ Sep 24 2007, 10:11 AM)
I have sex almost everyday ...
If want purchase condom ... I'll broke ...
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Haha, as long as you have sex with the same partner, and know that she is clean then its ok.

Anyone can be at risk of contracting HIV. The only way to find out is go to any government clinic for an anonymous HIV test. Most effective result is wait until the window period of 3 months from last contact.

Unprotected oral can spread STD and HIV as well. It all depends on your luck. For more info, pls visit : HIV Questions & Answers

The best is to think before acting. Don't find prostitutes, Don't go ONS, Don't share needles = no worries smile.gif

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always get a dom dom with you, break it when emergency..then i would help u to prevent many things tongue.gif syphilis??HIV?? or a small life?? hehe
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QUOTE(DaBestOne @ Sep 28 2007, 05:59 AM)
wear a condom for oral sex? tat's so potong steam yawn.gif
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You don't want herpes do you?


Well, if you're with your partner.. get regular STI check ups (then you won't have to use a condom) - provided that she's on the pill or is using some other form of contraception.

With randoms/people you don't know very well: Always use contraception.


NB: The correct term for STDs has now been replaced by STIs. Actually, it has been this way for a couple of years now.
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For some who can't resist to do it before marriage then use condoms. But then, if addicted then have to fork out money some more. This haven't include with any fantasies using play toys and also buying expensive lingeries. ohmy.gif
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dont do promiscuity, and be loyal to ur partner (and make sure he/she also loyal to u too la), that's already can reduce a lot of risk of getting STD's,.... the best thing from my opinion is 'avoid pre-marital sex' and choose ur spouse-to-be carefully, check background of her/him before deciding for marriage smile.gif
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QUOTE(skylineGTR @ Dec 21 2007, 08:47 AM)
dont do promiscuity, and be loyal to ur partner (and make sure he/she also loyal to u too la), that's already can reduce a lot of risk of getting STD's,.... the best thing from my opinion is 'avoid pre-marital sex' and choose ur spouse-to-be carefully, check background of her/him before deciding for marriage smile.gif
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QUOTE(chekyo @ Dec 24 2007, 03:32 PM)
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It's like that in today's world. With most people engaging in free sex you can hardly trust anyone. Unless a school girlfriend that has been with you since primary. laugh.gif
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People used to be conscious of their every actions and they want to keep themselve healthy and disease-free for their own sake as well as for the sake of their spouse-to-be but in today's world, this awareness and consciousness seems to be so low in the majority and with many of them having pre-marital sex, all the more we should be alert for the sake of our own future and our own life.
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QUOTE(spartacvs @ Dec 26 2007, 12:58 AM)
People used to be conscious of their every actions and they want to keep themselve healthy and disease-free for their own sake as well as for the sake of their spouse-to-be but in today's world, this awareness and consciousness seems to be so low in the majority and with many of them having pre-marital sex, all the more we should be alert for the sake of our own future and our own life.
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Merry Christmas smile.gif

It becomes trend among youths nowadays to engage in pre-marital sex and having sex without proper protection. Most of youths does not know much about sexual transmitted disease as we are lacking of sex educational program and most of our parents think that their kids only will engage in sexual activity after marriage. While things have changed now, it should be made that sexual education to be done and the awareness to be increase. icon_rolleyes.gif
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QUOTE(skymyxe @ Dec 26 2007, 11:31 AM)
Merry Christmas  smile.gif

It becomes trend among youths nowadays to engage in pre-marital sex and having sex without proper protection. Most of youths does not know much about sexual transmitted disease as we are lacking of sex educational program and most of our parents think that their kids only will engage in sexual activity after marriage. While things have changed now, it should be made that sexual education to be done and the awareness to be increase.  icon_rolleyes.gif
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I read in the newspaper that there are already plans to include road safety syllabus into the education system with the purpose of instilling road safety values at an early age. I'm glad that they are taking the initiative to try and tackle road accidents throuugh education system and I think sexual education should receive similar attention and recognition from the respective authorities managing the education system. Unfortunately the majority will only react instead of responding to the addition of sexual education as there is some serious negative view in the atmosphere concerning teaching children at a young age about sexual awareness. As Skymxe mentioned, many parents has a traditional fixed of mindset that their children will only engage in intercourse after marriage and should their children be discovered to be a STD victim, it will be like all hell break loose and it is only then will they start to ponder on the option of teaching their children about the sex and its impact. Its time we start to be proactive in this issue rather than being a reactive one.

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Couldn't agree more. It has become a nation issue when to many STD cases have been reported. Nowadays, it's not only the teenagers engage in this kinda activity but the children age below 10 has also dare to try exploring their body parts with different sex. All I can say IMHO is maybe there's too much exposure, but with a proper precaution and education, this could be avoided from happening. The need to educate more people to understand is important. It's not just of the danger but the real meaning of sex, the needs the impact an so on. I do hope in the future, better consideration and implementation of a proper sex education would be done. No one is hoping to get an STD and it's even cruel if you bound to know at the verge of your marriage that your partner has it just because of lack in education and knowledge bout the whole sex thing. icon_rolleyes.gif

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Couldn't agree more. It has become a nation issue when to many STD cases have been reported. Nowadays, it's not only the teenagers engage in this kinda activity but the children age below 10 has also dare to try exploring their body parts with different sex. All I can say IMHO is maybe there's too much exposure, but with a proper precaution and education, this could be avoided from happening. The need to educate more people to understand is important. It's not just of the danger but the real meaning of sex, the needs the impact an so on. I do hope in the future, better consideration and implementation of a proper sex education would be done. No one is hoping to get an STD and it's even cruel if you bound to know at the verge of your marriage that your partner has it just because of lack in education and knowledge bout the whole sex thing.  icon_rolleyes.gif

Thanx spartacvs, Merry Christmas and Happy New Year to all LYN members.  biggrin.gif
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There's no meaning in sex, only plumbing involved.

Just implement the Sex Ed class, distribute free condoms and get over this psycho-babble once and for all.
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QUOTE(skylineGTR @ Dec 21 2007, 08:47 AM)
dont do promiscuity, and be loyal to ur partner (and make sure he/she also loyal to u too la), that's already can reduce a lot of risk of getting STD's,.... the best thing from my opinion is 'avoid pre-marital sex' and choose ur spouse-to-be carefully, check background of her/him before deciding for marriage smile.gif
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well about the loyality
in today society i dont think 1 person only will have 1 sex partner in their lifetime =.=
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Can tell me more about AIDS?? same with STD??? not very clear ... sad.gif
anyway thank you, I have heard about STD many time and duno what exaxtly about that, at least now I know What it is about..
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QUOTE(GuaRantopia @ Jan 18 2008, 02:36 PM)
Can tell me more about AIDS?? same with STD??? not very clear ...  sad.gif
anyway thank you, I have heard about STD many time and duno what exaxtly about that, at least now I know What it is about..
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Some STD are just skin disease. Most people don't even know they have STD until they go for blood test. There might be infection when your immune system is weak but it will go away after 1-2 weeks. The disease is infectious during this time. Condom is useless if you have open lesion or wound on area not covered by the rubber. The other person cant get it if her skin is intact.

If you have STD the only risk will be when you wanna get married and have kids. You may "accidentally" infect your HM or children. Actually STD causes mental torture rather then physical pain just because it's considered being sexually transmitted.
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QUOTE(chinyee @ Jan 15 2008, 09:33 PM)
well about the loyality
in today society i dont think 1 person only will have 1 sex partner in their lifetime =.=
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Only the ones that stays virgin till they're married will have 1 sex partner in their life. I assume they're loyal to they're life partner. brows.gif
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Only the ones that stays virgin till they're married will have 1 sex partner in their life. I assume they're loyal to they're life partner.  brows.gif
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Go single and don't marry. Live life to the fullest and have multiple sex partner. Is that OK? icon_idea.gif
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QUOTE(GuaRantopia @ Jan 18 2008, 02:36 PM)
Can tell me more about AIDS?? same with STD??? not very clear ...  sad.gif
anyway thank you, I have heard about STD many time and duno what exaxtly about that, at least now I know What it is about..
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AIDS is a subset of STD. STD is just an overall term to mean diseases that can be transmitted sexually. Examples of common STD are AIDS, Hepatitis B, infections due to chlamydia & N. gonorrhoea and syphilis.

Nowadays, they tend to be termed STI - Sexually transmitted infections. smile.gif
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AIDS is a subset of STD. STD is just an overall term to mean diseases that can be transmitted sexually. Examples of common STD are AIDS, Hepatitis B, infections due to chlamydia & N. gonorrhoea and syphilis.

Nowadays, they tend to be termed STI - Sexually transmitted infections.  smile.gif
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And those usually happens or transmitted to people who have multiple sex partners. Without knowing their sexual history and background, you can easily be infected by the disease. icon_rolleyes.gif
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QUOTE(skylineGTR @ Dec 21 2007, 08:47 AM)
dont do promiscuity, and be loyal to ur partner (and make sure he/she also loyal to u too la), that's already can reduce a lot of risk of getting STD's,.... the best thing from my opinion is 'avoid pre-marital sex' and choose ur spouse-to-be carefully, check background of her/him before deciding for marriage smile.gif
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Well said. However mind to share how to make sure our partner is loyal to us? Nowadays many people are involved in pre-marital sex, and it is hard to have your spouse who is a virgin.


Added on January 27, 2008, 10:11 pmHaiz... Actually I am quite embarassed to post it here, but I am more embarassed to consult a doctor. Hope you all will help me to clear my doubts.

My problem:
There are a few white dotes in my penis there. I first discover it was 3 years ago. The amount of white dotes keep on increasing. I don't have sex before and I don't experience any uneasiness in my daily life. I still live my life as usual since I discovered it 3 years ago. Is there any STD there is similar to my condition here? blush.gif


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QUOTE(Larrylow @ Jan 27 2008, 10:04 PM)
Well said. However mind to share how to make sure our partner is loyal to us? Nowadays many people are involved in pre-marital sex, and it is hard to have your spouse who is a virgin.


Added on January 27, 2008, 10:11 pmHaiz... Actually I am quite embarassed to post it here, but I am more embarassed to consult a doctor. Hope you all will help me to clear my doubts.

My problem:
There are a few white dotes in my penis there. I first discover it was 3 years ago. The amount of white dotes keep on increasing. I don't have sex before and I don't experience any uneasiness in my daily life. I still live my life as usual since I discovered it 3 years ago. Is there any STD there is similar to my condition here?  blush.gif
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You've to ask and really get to know who your partner is. Get to know his/her sexual history coz it'll be affecting you too when you're married. It is important as you do not want to marry someone with STD and live the rest of your life having the infections cause by someone else's. nod.gif

As for your sickness, if you haven't engage in any sexual activity, It is almost impossible to get an STD. So, my advice is still to consult a doctor and let he/she diagnose your illness. icon_rolleyes.gif
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QUOTE(Larrylow @ Jan 27 2008, 10:04 PM)
Well said. However mind to share how to make sure our partner is loyal to us? Nowadays many people are involved in pre-marital sex, and it is hard to have your spouse who is a virgin.


Added on January 27, 2008, 10:11 pmHaiz... Actually I am quite embarassed to post it here, but I am more embarassed to consult a doctor. Hope you all will help me to clear my doubts.

My problem:
There are a few white dotes in my penis there. I first discover it was 3 years ago. The amount of white dotes keep on increasing. I don't have sex before and I don't experience any uneasiness in my daily life. I still live my life as usual since I discovered it 3 years ago. Is there any STD there is similar to my condition here?  blush.gif
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bro,
i am worried on your behalf caused you said "the amount of white dots keep on increasing" don't let it become worse. Go to consult a doctor and ask for medication cause i believe that symptom is not normal..
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QUOTE(skylineGTR @ Dec 21 2007, 09:47 AM)
dont do promiscuity, and be loyal to ur partner (and make sure he/she also loyal to u too la), that's already can reduce a lot of risk of getting STD's,.... the best thing from my opinion is 'avoid pre-marital sex' and choose ur spouse-to-be carefully, check background of her/him before deciding for marriage smile.gif
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what a loyalty person... yeah, I have find someone that has exastly same opinion with me....
give our wholelife spouse the best present on the marriage... guess I need not to say it here rite??? biggrin.gif
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I'll kill myself if i'm having HIV.Its sufferring
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Then stop engaging in pre-marital sex. That'd definitely will avoid you from any suffering. icon_rolleyes.gif
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Where in KL can we take tests for STDs?
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girls can check for STI during pap smear testing, right? what about boys?
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girls can check for STI during pap smear testing, right? what about boys?
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when symptoms showed up, like discharge, rashes etc.

but unlike male, female doesnt show up symptoms for some STI such as chlamydia. so do some regular specific tests, e.g. chlamydia testing for chlamydia if you suspect, either ur bf have such things, or regular unprotected sex with diff partner.
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wear twice protection la..
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You should be able to organize an appointment with a doctor in a clinic or just go to the nearest public or private hospital and get yourself checked. It's always a relieve to know that you're healthy and in a good condition. Body, mind and soul. nod.gif
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Its rude to ask a partner if she/he has STDs before intercourse. Even if you have asked, i think its better to forget the chances of getting laid. Just my 2 cents. whistling.gif
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female condom + a male condom?
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QUOTE(Funkadelic @ May 16 2008, 03:13 PM)
Its rude to ask a partner if she/he has STDs before intercourse. Even if you have asked, i think its better to forget the chances of getting laid. Just my 2 cents.  whistling.gif
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I don't think anyone would ask before an intercourse. As a matter of fact, no one really asks. All we want is to get laid and therefore regret when we're diagnosed having STD. All in all, the best way for now is to have protection just to be in the safe side of things. It's a risk you take for having many sex partners, but again, the choice is yours to be made. If loyal to only one partner that you really know his/her health background, then it wouldn't have to come to this.
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wan to have sex, and stil scare dont sex,

scare to have sex but must have sex wear condom,

but wear condom still scare of accident of some part. chop ur thing ,

den everything done force not to do lol.
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QUOTE(bizzy @ May 17 2008, 09:39 AM)
wan to have sex, and stil scare dont sex,

scare to have sex but must have sex wear condom,

but wear condom still scare of accident of some part. chop ur thing ,

den everything done force not to do lol.
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haha, I guess you're right at some point. It all comes to the risk you take.
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I'll be traveling to KL soon I think. Where in KL can I get a full check for STD?
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biatche, u can go to any clinic and ask d doctor u'd like STD check. it seems u hv to pass thru a doctor ..and u cant go straight to external lab providing such test , as it seems they dont deal with customer directly. The doctor will tk yr blood and send it to outside lab for test , for eg. in malaysia..mayb Gribbles or may be PathLab. tell the doctor u want comprehensive test. HTH
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Sometimes, you may get STD though you have your condom on. How pathetic...
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Yes, many ppl dont know that even with "safe practise".. u can still get STD.. for example, Hepatitis, HSV1 and 2, plus HPV. These are contracted by saliva/skin contact. Frightening..tatz why the best policy is be faithful with your single partner and be thankful of your health. There was once a friend of mine who did a survey, and noted that many young ppl now practise non-safe and dont really care/know about the consequences.. not to mention, teenagers who went to rave party are under influenced of etc mind blocking stuff. it will be costly to their future and this will increase the medical bills our country had to bear
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HEY, U people get the facts correct before writing here okay. blood tests itself is insufficient. u need to get the doctor to check your private parts. sexually active people who have multiple sex partners should really get it checked. the last thing u wan is to get complications from std. i dont want to scare u guys here, but m glad that god created std, as it remind people to stay away from promiscuity
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i wana ask:

can std cause cervical cancer?

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QUOTE(Elephant^^ @ Jul 14 2008, 12:00 AM)
HEY, U people get the facts correct before writing here okay. blood tests itself is insufficient. u need to get the doctor to check your private parts. sexually active people who have multiple sex partners should really get it checked. the last thing u wan is to get complications from std. i dont want to scare u guys here, but m glad that god created std, as it remind people to stay away from promiscuity
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ok, there any specialist for this? like in usa, there are so many std clinics to do yoru testing.... how about in malaysia?
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QUOTE(lilac_alex @ Jul 18 2008, 06:02 PM)
i wana ask:

can std cause cervical cancer?

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STD per say does not cause cervical cancer. It is the HPV virus that gets transmitted through sexual intercourse that can cause cervical cancer.... wink.gif

QUOTE(biatche @ Jul 27 2008, 07:59 AM)
ok, there any specialist for this? like in usa, there are so many std clinics to do yoru testing.... how about in malaysia?
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Look for your nearest gynae specialist..... I'm sure there are lots of those at your hometown... wink.gif
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how come you're sure? can you name me one then since you're so sure?
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QUOTE(biatche @ Jul 27 2008, 11:48 AM)
how come you're sure? can you name me one then since you're so sure?
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Why so surprise? hmm.gif

Why I'm sure there's a gynae specialist in Miri? Well, that's because there is a general hospital and also some private hospitals/clinics there (in every state, actually)....

Want some names ka? How about Miri Hospital and Columbia Asia........... wink.gif

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ya and does columbia asia actually do proper and full std checks?
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I'm not sure whether it will be "proper" and "full". You have to clarify it with them.... wink.gif

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I'm not sure whether it will be "proper" and "full". You have to clarify it with them....  wink.gif
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pimple on pubic area is herpes ? or warts?
I press 2 pimple, white juice out, them bleed.

Then few day later grow another pimple

then today gow 1 more pimple on my thight. Press it out and bleed.

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yikes the list on page 1 really turns me off..... me scare sh*tless liao...

anyone knows the STD rates or % in malaysia?
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for Vexus , Suggest u to refer to any medical officer asap. They'll further you with gynae or non gynae test for cytology lab examination and serological test that will indicate either u positive with HSV or not.
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Another thing i would like to share with you all is,
condoms do not 100% protect you from HPV.
HPV 16, 18 causes 80% of cervical cancer.
recent study : "young women whose partners used condoms every time they had sex were 70 percent less likely to contract HPV"
means that you have 30% to get it even you wear a condom!! yawn.gif



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HPV = Human papilloma virus. the common virus viridae that causing wart on you big toe.. tongue.gif
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QUOTE(vexus @ Sep 13 2008, 11:58 AM)
pimple on pubic area is herpes ? or warts?
I press 2 pimple, white juice out, them bleed.

Then few day later grow another pimple

then today gow 1 more pimple on my thight. Press it out and bleed.
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not necessarily is STD..
most prob an ingrown hair or clogged pores..
jus keep it clean, it'll go off soon..
do not simply mess wif it for hygiene reason..
go c a doc if it remains for a long time.. biggrin.gif
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Have you had the pimples there before? do you have the same thing elsewhere in the body? If it's a normal thing for you then dont worry, it's nothing serious.

However, if it's herpes it'll be very painful. And warts dont present as simple pimples..

In my humble opinion, dont worry about it. It's probably nothing serious. Keep good hygiene and if still persist for more than a month, just check with a dermatologist. No point a GP, he wouldnt know also smile.gif
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but.. the gp would know where to refer.. hehehe..
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gp should know also, as they have study about HPV also.. tongue.gif
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Sexually transmitted disease is caused by a variety of bugs
HPV is one of the asymptomatic (no symptom) ones.
The ones you all should be worried about should be syphilis, HIV, gonorrhea...
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if u have syphilis, u will have painless ulcer..
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Just to share -
from CDC Fact Sheet on syphilis

Many people infected with syphilis do not have any symptoms for years, yet remain at risk for late complications if they are not treated. Although transmission occurs from persons with sores who are in the primary or secondary stage, many of these sores are unrecognized. Thus, transmission may occur from persons who are unaware of their infection.

Primary Stage
The primary stage of syphilis is usually marked by the appearance of a single sore , but there may be multiple sores. The time between infection with syphilis and the start of the first symptom can range from 10 to 90 days (average 21 days). The chancre is usually firm, round, small, and painless. It appears at the spot where syphilis entered the body. The chancre lasts 3 to 6 weeks, and it heals without treatment. However, if adequate treatment is not administered, the infection progresses to the secondary stage.

Secondary Stage

Skin rash and mucous membrane lesions characterize the secondary stage. This stage typically starts with the development of a rash on one or more areas of the body. The rash usually does not cause itching. Rashes associated with secondary syphilis can appear as the chancre is healing or several weeks after the chancre has healed. The characteristic rash of secondary syphilis may appear as rough, red, or reddish brown spots both on the palms of the hands and the bottoms of the feet. However, rashes with a different appearance may occur on other parts of the body, sometimes resembling rashes caused by other diseases. Sometimes rashes associated with secondary syphilis are so faint that they are not noticed. In addition to rashes, symptoms of secondary syphilis may include fever, swollen lymph glands, sore throat, patchy hair loss, headaches, weight loss, muscle aches, and fatigue. The signs and symptoms of secondary syphilis will resolve with or without treatment, but without treatment, the infection will progress to the latent and possibly late stages of disease.

Late and Latent Stages
The latent (hidden) stage of syphilis begins when primary and secondary symptoms disappear. Without treatment, the infected person will continue to have syphilis even though there are no signs or symptoms; infection remains in the body. This latent stage can last for years. The late stages of syphilis can develop in about 15% of people who have not been treated for syphilis, and can appear 10 – 20 years after infection was first acquired. In the late stages of syphilis, the disease may subsequently damage the internal organs, including the brain, nerves, eyes, heart, blood vessels, liver, bones, and joints. Signs and symptoms of the late stage of syphilis include difficulty coordinating muscle movements, paralysis, numbness, gradual blindness, and dementia. This damage may be serious enough to cause death.


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i just have a question to ask..
i have a fetish for oral sex, especially
"puss** eating" coz they get so satisfied
after that. Will i get infected from the fluid?
will the infection be on my mouth or face?

thankz
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QUOTE(nitro @ Dec 3 2008, 01:05 AM)
good day to all,

i just have a question to ask..
i have a fetish for oral sex, especially
"puss** eating" coz they get so satisfied
after that. Will i get infected from the fluid?
will the infection be on my mouth or face?

thankz
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Haha, very noble and honest! smile.gif

IF the girl has an STD, then yes, there's a possibility of you contracting the STD.

Usually the oral mucosa (mouth) will be affected because the layer is thin and STD can spread easily across. Examples of the very common STD affecting mouth is HERPES

Moral of the story, dont simply do oral on everyone. Selected people who're clean, or your GF of long duration who you know will not be contracting STD! smile.gif
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Hi nitro,
Yes, STD can spread through oral s**

It infects your mouth, throat, eyes(rare).
Even HIV, hepatitis B, C can be passed through this method when there is a cut on both the mouth and g**** ,
but still, it is less likely compared to unprotective penetrative ***.
other than STD, Hepatitis A is a risk too.

So, how to reduce the risk?
avoid avoid and avoid if possible
if you can't...
go see a doctor, let the doctor screen for STDs in your partner.

hope this helps!


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Hi nitro,
Yes, STD can spread through oral s**

It infects your mouth, throat, eyes(rare).
Even HIV, hepatitis B, C can be passed through this method when there is a cut on both the mouth and g**** ,
but still, it is less likely compared to unprotective penetrative ***.   
other than STD, Hepatitis A is a risk too.

So, how to reduce the risk?
avoid avoid and avoid if possible
if you can't...
go see a doctor, let the doctor screen for STDs in your partner.

hope this helps!
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hepatitis A is transmitted via contaminated food.. smile.gif
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hepatitis A is transmitted via contaminated food..  smile.gif
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That's absolutely right. BUT, it can be transmitted through blood as well! smile.gif
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Hepatitis A is spread via fecal - oral route.

Foodborne transmission occurs when an Hepatitis A infected food handler contaminates food during preparation ( by not washing his hands after toilet ... doh.gif )

And via oral s**,
it spreads if you don't clean the area well smile.gif
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Hepatitis A is spread via fecal - oral route.

Foodborne transmission occurs when an Hepatitis A infected food handler contaminates food during preparation ( by not washing his hands after toilet ... doh.gif )

And via oral s**,
it spreads if you don't clean the area well smile.gif
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Absolutely right, but it can spread through blood of course! smile.gif
simple explanation.. if you've hep A virus in your blood and you transfuse blood to me, of course I will get hep A as well. So dont think it's just by oral-fecal smile.gif
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so, is the hepatitis A is defined under STD?? smile.gif
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Nope, RARELY transmitted through sexual intercourse!
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but since it's able to be transmitted thru sexual intercourse, hepatitis A is considered a std.
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but still in medical book, i think they dont put under STD.. smile.gif
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but since it's able to be transmitted thru sexual intercourse, hepatitis A is considered a std.
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To be honest, I dont think you can consider that an STD. That's because the risk of transmission of Hep A is extremely low. So no point putting it under STD. It's the same as saying the risk of sleeping is the fan falling on you. But because that is so rare, albeit it being possible, you dont even consider it a risk of sleeping! smile.gif
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Hmm, yeah u got a point. I still reckon it should be considered an std otherwise people would ignore the fact that it can be transmitted sexually especially those involved in anal sex. Oh well, I'm only stating my opinion based on what I found on the net cuz if u search for std/sti they usually have hep a included and if the book says its not, then it's not tongue.gif
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Hmm, yeah u got a point. I still reckon it should be considered an std otherwise people would ignore the fact that it can be transmitted sexually especially those involved in anal sex. Oh well, I'm only stating my opinion based on what I found on the net cuz if u search for std/sti they usually have hep a included and if the book says its not, then it's not tongue.gif
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Haha, totally forgot the point of ANAL ***! Now that's gonna be transmitted if you're gonna mix Anal with Oral. Goes back to basics, feco-oral route! Then again, that's not natural sexual intercourse, so shouldnt call STD. But... I dunno la.. hahahaha! tongue.gif
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To be honest, I dont think you can consider that an STD. That's because the risk of transmission of Hep A is extremely low. So no point putting it under STD. It's the same as saying the risk of sleeping is the fan falling on you. But because that is so rare, albeit it being possible, you dont even consider it a risk of sleeping! smile.gif
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waa.. fan falling upon sleep.scary huh.. never thought of it.. laugh.gif
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waa.. fan falling upon sleep.scary huh.. never thought of it.. laugh.gif
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LoL! Exactly what I mean! You dont even think about it! But yes, when you think about it it's SCARY! Then again, dont bother thinking about rarities.. you'll end up in psycho ward!
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recently i heard hepatitis B can be transmitted even by sweat. is that true?
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recently i heard hepatitis B can be transmitted even by sweat. is that true?
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but i heard this from my friend who takes medicine.. tongue.gif
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but i heard this from my friend who takes medicine.. tongue.gif
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haha.. i will try to ask him where he got this info.. tongue.gif
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Good, would love to know how sweat can transmit it!
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No way hepatitis B is transmitted by sweat!
then all the doctors in the ward would be wearing gloves when checking them!
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No way hepatitis B is transmitted by sweat!
then all the doctors in the ward would be wearing gloves when checking them!
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Got a good point there... will be waiting for his medic friend's respond..
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you know what, hepatitis is more infectious than HIV.beleive it or not?
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That's true, according to the risk of transmission through blood products! There's facts and figures to support that
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waa..u also read much ya.. biggrin.gif
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Just came across it while reading some stuff... HIV transmission is really low (the risk) compared to other diseases. People in the hospital fear these because they meet a lot of people with diseases, and the needles they use can prick themself, causing what they call "needle stick injury". Thank goodness normal people are not at risk of needle stick injury! smile.gif
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but bad news to health care providers..biggrin.gif
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Unfortunate for them.. but they are smart people.. they have come up with thousands of safety devices to protect themselves! tongue.gif
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i got chills alredi just by reading this...
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i got chills alredi just by reading this...
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married also not safe if partner curang.. tongue.gif
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married also not safe if partner curang.. tongue.gif
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still have probability.. tongue.gif
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wat to do...
no ppl will ask their sexual partner..
"hey, you got Hep B screening b4?"
" do you have hep B? or anyone Hep B in your family?"
or how many guys/girls you slept with before?...

probably will kick his/her face...
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wat to do...
no ppl will ask their sexual partner..
"hey, you got Hep B screening b4?"
" do you have hep B? or anyone Hep B in your family?"
or how many guys/girls you slept with before?...

probably will kick his/her face...
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True true, but good to ask also la.. I mean, someday the deep dark secrets will be out! Come on, husband and wife should have no secrets between them!

Nowadays, muslims who want to get married have to go through a series of screening test! That would certainly help! smile.gif
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yeah, before married, they will do hiv rapid test which cost around rm30 only..
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I think there's more than just HIV test now.. Hep also included plus a few others! Raindeer planning to get married anytime soon? tongue.gif
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haha.. but my sister who just married couple of months back then only took HIV rapid test, no hep screening though.. biggrin.gif
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So guys and girls, use condoms <--
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Yo, talking bout marriage man. Gonna use condom till you die? All the best! LoL! tongue.gif
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so, now the price issues? i thought we can get it free at government hospital..
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but can get for free at government hospital lor.. tongue.gif
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but can get for free at government hospital lor.. tongue.gif
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Those are bad... thick and too small.. uncomfortable and stinks.. sorry
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oic, so if want better one must buy at your own cost lor.. tongue.gif
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oic, so if want better one must buy at your own cost lor.. tongue.gif
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Last time I got some sort of prostate infection. After a few antibiotics from the doctor, it went away.
I think I got that from this one girl who blowjobbed me.. (not my gf)
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Last time I got some sort of prostate infection. After a few antibiotics from the doctor, it went away.
I think I got that from this one girl who blowjobbed me.. (not my gf)
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what do u mean by this 'blowjobbed me' ya? biggrin.gif
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QUOTE(hazairi @ Dec 24 2008, 03:21 PM)
Last time I got some sort of prostate infection. After a few antibiotics from the doctor, it went away.
I think I got that from this one girl who blowjobbed me.. (not my gf)
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how does prostate infection looks like?
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what do u mean by this 'blowjobbed me' ya?   biggrin.gif
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how does prostate infection looks like?
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When you got this infection, you'll feel very unpleaseant at the prostate. When you urinate, it feels pain a lil bit. Sometimes it's hard for you to sleep. The pain is not constant. Maybe just an hour or 2 hours a day.

Well, the medication is just anti-biotics from the doctor.
If you wanna save cost, just go to a pharmacy shop and ask the pharmacist for prostate infection anti-biotic. After a few days, walla! Cured!

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thanks for the info. helped me a lot!
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Any STDs u wanna share with us? Feel free to post here.. wink.gif
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Prostate inflammation through STD? Cool.. and cures with antibiotics! Wow, I totally didnt know that.. is this all true? If it is.. thanks a lot then! will keep that in mind! smile.gif
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if prostatitis caused by bacteria, antibiotic might help..

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if prostatitis caused by bacteria, antibiotic might help..
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But is it caused by bacteria? and are you sure you call it prostatitis?
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Nice thread ... Will remember it .
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Good.. remember not to get involved to prevent STD from getting to you! tongue.gif
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last time in my school got this STD prevention camp ...

i got the book too ... it shows the infected penis and vagina ....

the worst is the yeast one. .... lol .... its like half rotten ... half masak ...

i dont know where the book now , if have , i will scan and post it up here laugh.gif

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just want to let u all know, if syphilis present with painless ulcer, herpes present with painful ulcer with vesicles..
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syphilis caused by treponema pallidum
herpes by herpes simplex virus
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herpes with acyclovir and paracetamol to releive the pain.. biggrin.gif
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treat syphilis with penicillin
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Can both go away on it's own without drugs?
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dude
once u got herpes infection, it will never cure..
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even after treated with drug
fyi drugs only control herpes..not kill it

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usually it hide in your nerve.. biggrin.gif
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What do you mean by hiding in your nerve ?
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The virus remains dormant in your nerve. It will manifest again when your immune system is down at sometimes.
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yeah, indeed.. biggrin.gif during reactivation, Herpes Simplex virus residing latent in neurons spreads from regional ganglia back to skin or mucous membranes..
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STD so .... ill ....

Anyone doctor here ??

Ever seen the real STD infection ?
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i think no one wanna see that,
maybe it is too gross to be seen
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QUOTE(SkyNet000 @ Dec 31 2008, 05:24 PM)
last time in my school got this STD prevention camp ...

i got the book too ... it shows the infected penis and vagina ....

the worst is the yeast one. .... lol .... its like half rotten ... half masak ...

i dont know where the book now , if have , i will scan and post it up here laugh.gif
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means if find pros with pun sang suk vag, den she is infected?
don't think u can put the photo ..yeakssss..

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I've seen in reality and pictures! It's disgusting..and you remind yourself nvr to get it! so before being bitten, try to avoid it! smile.gif
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yeah, but wanna ask, some std is caused by virus, which is a very small particles. so is it not safe even with condom usage? biggrin.gif
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QUOTE(alip5225 @ Jan 6 2009, 12:30 AM)
yeah, but wanna ask, some std is caused by virus, which is a very small particles. so is it not safe even with condom usage? biggrin.gif
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Condoms nvr give you a 100% protection.. ESPECIALLY to STD because... you're exposed to the girl's fluid at areas which are not covered by the condom.. and there's a high chance of spread from anywhere! smile.gif
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Not all STD looks ugly.

STD just means that it got infected thru having sex.
AIDS is a form of STD too.
A simple bacteria in your prostate that u got from having sex is an STD too..
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QUOTE(hazairi @ Jan 6 2009, 11:55 PM)
Not all STD looks ugly.

STD just means that it got infected thru having sex.
AIDS is a form of STD too.
A simple bacteria in your prostate that u got from having sex is an STD too..
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haha.. thats true.. some can manifest in ugly way, but some not. but usually in long term it WILL.. tongue.gif
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Whatever it is, it's still STD. Stay away from premarital/extramarital sex then! smile.gif
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yeah, be a virgin untill u r married.. biggrin.gif
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saying is something doing is another.. sigh
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QUOTE(vassili @ Jan 9 2009, 01:59 AM)
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Well, as pointed earlier in this thread..if u walk the path, do have protection for urself and be aware. Nway, I do second ur thought there.

Lotsa info here in this thread, thx..

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yeah, protective sex do proved can prevent std eventhough have some risk of infection also.. tongue.gif
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Wear condom can prevent from this??
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Wear condom can prevent from this??
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For AIDS almost 99% YES, although there is an opinion that it might spread via membrane mucosa, such from Saliva, or oral sex...but my lecturer said it almost safe.

and that's why people who are HIV positive still can have Sex, and can marry..no problem!

only problem is to getting a child though..but there is an option for adoption rclxms.gif
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QUOTE(vivi99 @ Jan 10 2009, 02:25 PM)
For AIDS almost 99% YES, although there is an opinion that it might spread via membrane mucosa, such from Saliva, or oral sex...but my lecturer said it almost safe.

and that's why people who are HIV positive still can have Sex, and can marry..no problem!

only problem is to getting a child though..but there is an option for adoption rclxms.gif
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Hi guys,

I have some information to share. It seems that all of us have this idea that if the husband is HIV positive while the wife is not infected, they cannot have baby as the baby will be HIV positive. This is not true !

They can still have babies !

"If the man has HIV then the only effective way to prevent transmission is sperm washing. This involves separating sperm cells from seminal fluid, and then testing these for HIV before artificial insemination or in vitro fertilisation. Sperm washing is a very effective way to protect both the mother and her baby, but it is only available at a few clinics and can be difficult to access, even in well resourced countries." -adverlet

Even when both of the husband and wife are HIV positive, the baby is not 100% for sure will get HIV. The baby still can be a healthy person. They need to consult furthers with their doctor.


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Wear condom can prevent from this??
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"Besides sperm, latex condoms act as a barrier to a wide variety of viruses, bacteria, and other infectious particles. By preventing contact with many sores and minimizing the exchange of infectious fluids, condoms can help prevent the transmission of sexually transmitted diseases, including HIV, gonorrhea, chlamydia, syphilis, herpes infection, and genital ulcers. Even though sperm are enormous compared to HIV (see illustration), both are much too small to see. But even HIV, which is among the tiniest of STD organisms, cannot pass through a latex condom."

But, condom can still break.

The best protection from such diseases is to not have sex or to have a mutually monogamous relationship with someone who is known to be uninfected. However, for those who are sexually active, studies have shown that proper and consistent use of latex condoms is the best defense.



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Emm.. Just a question..
this thread is actually for what purpose??
1: to help people who are having STD??
2: to give information to people??
3: to let people who have STD share their experience?
4: to help STD people to find friends?
5: to help STD people to find their suitable partner for them to live together??
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6: to just have a talk about STD??

I just want to know.. Hopefully, TS can help me to search for the real answer.. biggrin.gif

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haha.. as i know it is a general discussion about std, sharing knowledge.. biggrin.gif
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Well, it depends on what you would like to know about STD. We are all here to discuss and help. =)
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QUOTE(rac3r @ Jan 11 2009, 12:25 AM)
Hi guys,

I have some information to share. It seems that all of us have this idea that if the husband is HIV positive while the wife is not infected, they cannot have baby as the baby will be HIV positive. This is not true !

They can still have babies !

"If the man has HIV then the only effective way to prevent transmission is sperm washing. This involves separating sperm cells from seminal fluid, and then testing these for HIV before artificial insemination or in vitro fertilisation. Sperm washing is a very effective way to protect both the mother and her baby, but it is only available at a few clinics and can be difficult to access, even in well resourced countries." -adverlet

Even when both of the husband and wife are HIV positive, the baby is not 100% for sure will get HIV. The baby still can be a healthy person. They need to consult furthers with their doctor.

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Right, that's through a process of Artificial Insemination.. basically in vitro fertilization. You can do that, but it is not 100% safe, and I'm sure you dont want to take the risk and let a new born child suffer for the rest of his/her life having HIV is you know it is preventable! smile.gif
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wow.. i just knew about the sperm washing. it might be expensive right? biggrin.gif
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wow.. i just knew about the sperm washing. it might be expensive right?  biggrin.gif
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Errr... around £750 kua. not sure. never wash before. lol. Maybe u can contact the number below if u want to wash.


"There is a cost attached to sperm washing, which as yet is not available on the NHS. Individual health authorities may be approached on the basis of risk reduction. Some health authorities are sympathetic and may agree to fund one or several cycles of IUI with sperm washing. Currently the cost of initial tests and consultations in the C&W programme stands at £570. Each cycle of IUI with sperm washing is £750.

All enquiries regarding the C&W sperm washing programme should be directed to the Assisted Conception Unit (telephone 020 8746 8585). "




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wow, is that in euro? very expensive.. tongue.gif
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haha. not euro la. in British Pound Sterling. £750 which is (750x5.3) = RM 3975.

So it means wash 1 time is around RM 4k. lol



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wow, mau lahir saja sudah kena bayar rm4k. then later other expenses also.. tongue.gif
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Well.. that is a price to pay for sex. It is always advisable to have a protected sex or even better, no sex before marriage. smile.gif
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STD is actually a good form of control to prevent people from doing all bad things all the time.
Without that.. hehe.. u wont find virgins on earth anymore
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QUOTE(rac3r @ Jan 11 2009, 12:25 AM)
Hi guys,

I have some information to share. It seems that all of us have this idea that if the husband is HIV positive while the wife is not infected, they cannot have baby as the baby will be HIV positive. This is not true !

They can still have babies !

"If the man has HIV then the only effective way to prevent transmission is sperm washing. This involves separating sperm cells from seminal fluid, and then testing these for HIV before artificial insemination or in vitro fertilisation. Sperm washing is a very effective way to protect both the mother and her baby, but it is only available at a few clinics and can be difficult to access, even in well resourced countries." -adverlet

Even when both of the husband and wife are HIV positive, the baby is not 100% for sure will get HIV. The baby still can be a healthy person. They need to consult furthers with their doctor.
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yup....agreed....sperm washing does the trick.

And yes, a HIV infected mum does not necessarily transmit to her baby for a few reasons. HIV is a very inefficient virus and thus does not ALWAYS spread, however the risk is always there as well. Secondly, by treating the mum with azidothymidine, u can reduce the transmission rate. This coupled with a Ceasarean section at birth and no breastfeeding can minimize the risk of transmission to almost negligible rates. hence the rationale for screening for HIV before marriage, and during antenatal follow up. There is much that can be done to save a baby from being infected by HIV
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yeah, many attempt can be done to minimize the risk. but the risk still there anyway..
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yeah, many attempt can be done to minimize the risk. but the risk still there anyway..
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Absolutely right.. the risk is still there. PLUS, there's all the adverse effects of Invitro fertilization(IVF) anyway, so it's almost a double risk. Congenital abnormalities... ah well.. you all can read about IVF, it's all there! smile.gif
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which congenital abnormalities do u mean? down syndrome? biggrin.gif
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which congenital abnormalities do u mean? down syndrome? biggrin.gif
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actually, guys IUI is not IVF. Intra uterine fertilization is the injection of sperm into the uterus of the woman and allowing fertilization to occur naturally as when you would do it via the conventional manner. Except in this case there is no penetration by the male organ and instead a device is used to place the sperm into the uterus where it would swim to meet the egg in the fallopian tube as per what usually would happen via penetration.

IVF on the other hand is in vitro fertilization. This is where the sperm and the egg are harvested from the donors and allowed to fertilize on a petri dish before the viable embryo is implanted back in the uterus.

Essentially the difference is the place of fertilization. And the common term test tube baby refers to IVF and not IUI.

In a father with AIDS or HIV, the sperm is washed and then placed in the female using IUI and not IVF.

And both IUI and IVF are not associated with any increased risk of down syndrome or congenital abnormalities. Essentially, there is an increased risk of miscarriage. Its the cost that is sometimes problematic, and it needs about 3 cycles for a successful pregnancy.
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i just heard the intrauterine fertilization. thanks for the info bro..

i though people only do in vitro fertilization only..

also what u mean by 'it needs about 3 cycles for a successful pregnancy' ? smile.gif
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I mean the success rate of IVF is about 30%. That means that the first time u try, u got a 30% chance of being successful. If you try twice about 60%.

So in order to guarantee success, most ppl will have a successful pregnancy in the most 3 times. Some are lucky enough to get it the first time
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ic, so whent the third time, the success rate have become to 90%.. biggrin.gif
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ic, so whent the third time, the success rate have become to 90%.. biggrin.gif
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yeah.....but some ppl are lucky to get it on the first time. Depends on how lucky you are i suppose.
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If you're over 30+ ... Its kinda hard for you to be pregnant . Due to various reasons ... So have baby before your wife / you turns 30
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If you're over 30+ ... Its kinda hard for you to be pregnant . Due to various reasons ... So have baby before your wife / you turns 30
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actually no. to a certain extent fertility declines when u age but this probably applies when u are above 35, below that should be fine.
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Ohh okay ... I think this is an old news ... nowadays more fertile perhaps ?
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hehe..no offence bro, we re just discussing here.. biggrin.gif
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definitely!
abstinence is the best way hehe

one of my fren works as a health officer..
he told me..he hve seen bodies of people died terribly becoz of STDs..
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I don't think is AIDS ... STD , AIDS all these can be pass on from making love . Wanna be safe ? Just make love to the person you love
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definitely!
abstinence is the best way hehe

one of my fren works as a health officer..
he told me..he hve seen bodies of people died terribly becoz of STDs..
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usually std's do not mutilate your body....lolz. thats just some scary stories ppl make up to stop young ppl form having sex. But you can die from an STD no doubt about that, so be safe.

AIDS can be a scary thing because it reduces your body's immunity and thus make you susceptible to infections or cancers that normal people would be immune or less susceptible to. This includes some rare skin cancers, which probably is the disfigurement u are talking about.
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I don't think is AIDS ... STD , AIDS all these can be pass on from making love . Wanna be safe ? Just make love to the person you love
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actually, guys IUI is not IVF. Intra uterine fertilization is the injection of sperm into the uterus of the woman and allowing fertilization to occur naturally as when you would do it via the conventional manner. Except in this case there is no penetration by the male organ and instead a device is used to place the sperm into the uterus where it would swim to meet the egg in the fallopian tube as per what usually would happen via penetration.

IVF on the other hand is in vitro fertilization. This is where the sperm and the egg are harvested from the donors and allowed to fertilize on a petri dish before the viable embryo is implanted back in the uterus.

Essentially the difference is  the place of fertilization. And the common term test tube baby refers to IVF and not IUI.

In a father with AIDS or HIV, the sperm is washed and then placed in the female using IUI and not IVF.

And both IUI and IVF are not associated with any increased risk of down syndrome or congenital abnormalities. Essentially, there is an increased risk of miscarriage. Its the cost that is sometimes problematic, and it needs about 3 cycles for a successful pregnancy.
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You've got the first part right, but the next part absolutely wrong.

I've done studies in this field so let me explain a little.

First and foremost, you do realise that there are millions of sperms which are ejaculated into the vagina which travels up to the ovum which is in the uterus. Along the way, many of them fail to reach because they are weaker and may be problematic. So this is the natural filter that God placed to ensure only the BEST sperm will survive and fertilize the egg. Now, if you were to get a semen sample and pick your sperm, no human would ever know which is the best and which are problematic. This is a big problem of the field. And this is where you get risk of putting a weak sperm which may have congenital abnormalities into the ovum.

Now next thing is "it needs about 3 cycles for a successful pregnancy" is nonsence. In the past, people mixed the ovum with 3 sperms and hope the best will form a succesful child. However, because of the recent advancement, there is increased outcome and risk of triplets and twins, so now they only inject with 1 sperm because there is a high success rate. There is no need for doing this "aboue 3 times" to get a successful pregnancy.

Hope this helps, no offence to lynxs smile.gif
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You've got the first part right, but the next part absolutely wrong.

I've done studies in this field so let me explain a little.

First and foremost, you do realise that there are millions of sperms which are ejaculated into the vagina which travels up to the ovum which is in the uterus. Along the way, many of them fail to reach because they are weaker and may be problematic. So this is the natural filter that God placed to ensure only the BEST sperm will survive and fertilize the egg. Now, if you were to get a semen sample and pick your sperm, no human would ever know which is the best and which are problematic. This is a big problem of the field. And this is where you get risk of putting a weak sperm which may have congenital abnormalities into the ovum.

Now next thing is "it needs about 3 cycles for a successful pregnancy" is nonsence. In the past, people mixed the ovum with 3 sperms and hope the best will form a succesful child. However, because of the recent advancement, there is increased outcome and risk of triplets and twins, so now they only inject with 1 sperm because there is a high success rate. There is no need for doing this "aboue 3 times" to get a successful pregnancy.

Hope this helps, no offence to lynxs smile.gif
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dude, for 1, you are right about the natural selection process, but even still, in IUI, that still does happen. Thats why its called intra uterine fertilization. Its not IVF where you select a sperm and an ovum and allow them to mix on a petri dish. Adequate amounts of semen and sperm are injected into the uterus and it travels towards the fallopian tube to fertilize the ovum in the body of the famale. So the weak ones do die off, the ones that swim backwards or swim sideways never get there and only the fittest survive. There is no evidence that IUI increases the rate of congenital abnormalities. It is probably that women who attempt IUI may already be in advanced age and thus may already be subject to an increased risk, whatever the method used.

Second, 3 cycles for a successful pregnancy is not absolutely rubbish. This is for IVF not IUI as above, because in IUI you have no problems with regards to implanting an embryo, nature takes its course. By the way. If your read carefully, i did not ever mention placing 3 fertilized embryos into the woman at once. And you do not insert 3 sperm into one ovum. Thats just weird. NO. You allow sperm and ova to mix on plenty of petri dishes and only one sperm will fertilize one ova. Then three to four fertilized embryo's are extracted. Only one is implanted into the woman at any one time. If you implant more than one, there is a risk of multiple pregnancy, but responsible docs only implants one at any one time, the rest are frozen for future use.

The woman is primed with hormones prior to implantation and then the fertilized embryo is implanted. However, per embryo implanted, the chance that it will complete gestation and come out as a baby is only 30%. In 60% of cases it may abort. Thus mathematical sense would tell you that if you want to guarantee successful pregnancy, you would have to have 3 cycles, but like i said, some people get it right the first time. If it fails the first time, the woman would again have to undergo the same process of priming and implantation of the second embryo, again the chance is 30%. and so on. It is time consuming and may take up many months.

So you need about 3 cycles and each cycle only implants one embryo so you cant get a twin or a triplet, unless the initial embryo itself splits to form identical twins, the rate of which is similar to a natural pregnancy.
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dude, for 1, you are right about the natural selection process, but even still, in IUI, that still does happen. Thats why its called intra uterine fertilization. Its not IVF where you select a sperm and an ovum and allow them to mix on  a petri dish. Adequate amounts of semen and sperm are injected into the uterus and it travels towards the fallopian tube to fertilize the ovum in the body of the famale. So the weak ones do die off, the ones that swim backwards or swim sideways never get there and only the fittest survive. There is no evidence that IUI increases the rate of congenital abnormalities. It is probably that women who attempt IUI may already be in advanced age and thus may already be subject to an increased risk, whatever the method used.

Second, 3 cycles for a successful pregnancy is not absolutely rubbish. This is for IVF not IUI as above, because in IUI you have no problems with regards to implanting an embryo, nature takes its course. By the way. If your read carefully, i did not ever mention placing 3 fertilized embryos into the woman at once. And you do not insert 3 sperm into one ovum. Thats just weird. NO. You allow sperm and ova to mix on plenty of petri dishes and only one sperm will fertilize one ova. Then three to four fertilized embryo's are extracted. Only one is implanted into the woman at any one time. If you implant more than one, there is a risk of multiple pregnancy, but responsible docs only implants one at any one time, the rest are frozen for future use.

The woman is primed with hormones prior to implantation and then the fertilized embryo is implanted. However, per embryo implanted, the chance that it will complete gestation and come out as a baby is only 30%. In 60% of cases it may abort. Thus mathematical sense would tell you that if you want to guarantee successful pregnancy, you would have to have 3 cycles, but like i said, some people get it right the first time. If it fails the first time, the woman would again have to undergo the same process of priming and implantation of the second embryo, again the chance is 30%. and so on. It is time consuming and may take up many months.

So you need about 3 cycles and each cycle only implants one embryo so you cant get a twin or a triplet, unless the initial embryo itself splits to form identical twins, the rate of which is similar to a natural pregnancy.
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Gosh, you've got the basics wrong and you dont even know what you're talking about, albeit the confidence you have. It's such a waste of time explaning to you, but for the benefits of others reading, I shall just leave a few important point for others to pick up.

IUI & IVF, this basics are clearly misunderstood by you.

Quote from you:
"Thats why its called intra uterine fertilization. Its not IVF where you select a sperm and an ovum and allow them to mix on a petri dish."

IUF? Intra uterine fertilization? That's new. Anyway, it's IUI, Intra uterine insemination. And IUI is injecting sperms into the uterus and hope they fertilize. So obviously this has an extremely high failure rate because that's the natural process of males ejaculating inside and still fail to get the women pregnant.

Therefore, the shift is towards IVF. NO way people mix the sperms and ovum in dishes anymore. They inject the sperm into the ovum! And that's called ICSI (Intracytoplasmic sperm injection). The conventional way is not WEIRD. It has been practise and is still practised by many hospitals whereby they inject 2-3 sperms into the ovum. That increases the chance of pregnancy because 1-2 might fail to fertilize the ovum. Nowadays, this is minimize and injecting only 1 will do. This is a fact that has been going on, and for you to not know this means your basic is -poof-, non existance.

From where I come, we have CME with video presentations and international speakers briefing us through this. From where you come, it's all textbook and undergrad knowledge. Ego is a point, which I'm sure you'll have more to say. However, go read in more detail before you reply. Then at least I'll have things to agree with you, and it'll benefit readers here!

Plus, these stuff are not really related to STD. So be careful what the moderators might say! Adios
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QUOTE(gid03 @ Jan 30 2009, 02:58 AM)
definitely!
abstinence is the best way hehe

one of my fren works as a health officer..
he told me..he hve seen bodies of people died terribly becoz of STDs..
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i agree!

the worst thing is that a lot of people who carry STDs don't even know it. there is no test for HPV in men so even if there test results are clean, the woman they have sex with can still get HPV from them.
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QUOTE(lodestar @ Mar 1 2009, 10:51 PM)
i agree!

the worst thing is that a lot of people who carry STDs don't even know it. there is no test for HPV in men so even if there test results are clean, the woman they have sex with can still get HPV from them.
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Hehe, correct

Well, just to let you who loves to visit ayam2 and itik2 out there, better watch out.

1. No such thing as safe sex, HIV/STDs can be passed even through condoms due to the micron nature.
2. Pubic hair to pubic hair cross
3. Oral sex and kisses (Herpes, warts, TB, and why not HIV? smile.gif A prostitute were to perform oral sex on an AIDS carrier, and then later to you via her lung and throat, inner molar and palate tissue)

Imagine now the number 1 AIDS population in the world, africa's african black (no racist ok) now pop out in KL especially and have sex with the local ayam2 and itik2. Imagine the chain reaction? If you guys were to find out the real statistics of the AIDS carrier on a DAILY BASIS, regret or proud? XD

Best way is to get a steady mate or love biggrin.gif
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QUOTE(lodestar @ Mar 1 2009, 10:51 PM)
i agree!

the worst thing is that a lot of people who carry STDs don't even know it. there is no test for HPV in men so even if there test results are clean, the woman they have sex with can still get HPV from them.
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Moral of the story: Making love should only be with your life partner after marriage.

No multiple partners, no problems! smile.gif
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Moral of the story: Making love should only be with your life partner after marriage.

No multiple partners, no problems! smile.gif
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It's said to be the best but who could resist such temptations ? Girls in Western Countries tend to enjoy making love as much as a guy does. Maybe they could play safe or just stick to 1-2 partner before marrying ? I think that could help
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do you all know that in a recent study,
they found that a big portion of HIV carriers are more than 50 years old!
i was utterly shocked when i read this news!!
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wow nice article shadowprincess
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QUOTE(sandboxz @ Mar 6 2009, 08:08 PM)
do you all know that in a recent study,
they found that a big portion of HIV carriers are more than 50 years old!
i was utterly shocked when i read this news!!
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hmm.... those more than 50 years old must have acquired HIV from prostitutes....
Intravenous Drug users are usually not that old (probably due to them dying out before reaching 50yo).
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QUOTE(Fireball9 @ Feb 2 2009, 10:34 PM)
You've got the first part right, but the next part absolutely wrong.

I've done studies in this field so let me explain a little.

First and foremost, you do realise that there are millions of sperms which are ejaculated into the vagina which travels up to the ovum which is in the uterus. Along the way, many of them fail to reach because they are weaker and may be problematic. So this is the natural filter that God placed to ensure only the BEST sperm will survive and fertilize the egg. Now, if you were to get a semen sample and pick your sperm, no human would ever know which is the best and which are problematic. This is a big problem of the field. And this is where you get risk of putting a weak sperm which may have congenital abnormalities into the ovum.

Now next thing is "it needs about 3 cycles for a successful pregnancy" is nonsence. In the past, people mixed the ovum with 3 sperms and hope the best will form a succesful child. However, because of the recent advancement, there is increased outcome and risk of triplets and twins, so now they only inject with 1 sperm because there is a high success rate. There is no need for doing this "aboue 3 times" to get a successful pregnancy.

Hope this helps, no offence to lynxs smile.gif
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I think the natural thing that you mentioned is crap. Even if it went through the natural process, it doesnt guarantee the quality of the newborn. In fact it should not be judge like that. Keep in mind that sperm is just a cell containing our genome and nothing else. I would rather call it 'lucky sperm' instead of best sperm. If there is such thing as best sperm, why would god bother to create us men to generate millions of sperm when he can make us generate one best sperm. Besides ovum doesnt choose sperm, it just allows the first sperm that enter it to fertilise it. Its just basic mix and match. First come first serve, but the first comer doesnt necessary means the BEST of them all.

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Thank you shadowprincess for sharing this information.
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QUOTE(andrekua @ Mar 8 2009, 10:33 AM)
I think the natural thing that you mentioned is crap. Even if it went through the natural process, it doesnt guarantee the quality of the newborn. In fact it should not be judge like that. Keep in mind that sperm is just a cell containing our genome and nothing else. I would rather call it 'lucky sperm' instead of best sperm. If there is such thing as best sperm, why would god bother to create us men to generate millions of sperm when he can make us generate one best sperm. Besides ovum doesnt choose sperm, it just allows the first sperm that enter it to fertilise it. Its just basic mix and match. First come first serve, but the first comer doesnt necessary means the BEST of them all.
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"YOU THINK"? Aw, such a pity you gave your opinion with no background about fertilizations or genetics. Just another low yat health poser. It's unfortunate to have people around like you giving their own pathetic opinions and denying the facts.

Guess your theory about sperms must be right, because I THINK you were one horrible sperm because you met your horrible ovum partner... lol!
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Relax, relax. Don't argue. We all should proud with our sperm, right?

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QUOTE(Faith+1 @ Mar 12 2009, 08:23 PM)
Relax, relax. Don't argue. We all should proud with our sperm, right?

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Very relaxed smile.gif

I'm expressing facts, whereas others just give their disgusting opinion! tongue.gif

Anyway, proud of "our" sperm, with the female tag? Haha.. caught you there!
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QUOTE(Fireball9 @ Mar 12 2009, 11:59 PM)
Very relaxed smile.gif

I'm expressing facts, whereas others just give their disgusting opinion! tongue.gif

Anyway, proud of "our" sperm, with the female tag? Haha.. caught you there!
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One day, the sperm going to enter in my *ahem* as well right? Once inside, also can considered as my sperm as well mah. Share share lah.

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QUOTE(Faith+1 @ Mar 13 2009, 02:46 AM)
One day, the sperm going to enter in my *ahem* as well right? Once inside, also can considered as my sperm as well mah. Share share lah.

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Haha.. that's so very FUNNY! tongue.gif

You sure none has entered so far? LoLz! Sure sure.. share all you want.. I'll put up mine to be shared too... icon_rolleyes.gif
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Haha.. that's so very FUNNY! tongue.gif

You sure none has entered so far? LoLz! Sure sure.. share all you want.. I'll put up mine to be shared too...  icon_rolleyes.gif
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Eh.. Should man receiving the new HPV vaccination?
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Yours defected. No one interested.

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Eh.. why you say it's defected? I didnt offer everyone also...

QUOTE(ivzh @ Mar 14 2009, 07:49 AM)
Eh.. Should man receiving the new HPV vaccination?
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Cool.. men dont get cervical cancer, but I guess when you're talking about preventing women from getting it, then it's a good idea. HPV usually causes different manifestation in men. Like warts and yucky stuff.. so yea, not a bad idea! But too expensive to get it for fun!
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dude....what is STD???standing side by side can get infected???lol
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my dear its very obvious that STD is Sexual Transmitted Disease...

mean dapat sakit from sex.. The unsafe on ofcoz tongue.gif tongue.gif
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QUOTE(mizzilli @ Mar 24 2009, 11:18 AM)
my dear its very obvious that STD is Sexual Transmitted Disease...

mean dapat sakit from sex.. The unsafe on ofcoz tongue.gif  tongue.gif
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Haha.. dont believe you actually replied that retarded question.

Anyway, good you bring it up. STD can also be transmitted through blood products, so be careful! smile.gif
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actually how to prevent all this ..>.< hmm ..seem like most of me and my fren also get this kind of problems..
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actually how to prevent all this ..>.< hmm ..seem like most of me and my fren also get this kind of problems..
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obviously alot of ppl didnt know they even have it so they pass it on and on and on even if they are faithful to one partner at a time...but one question can we get it from a kiss?
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QUOTE(yeezai @ Apr 3 2009, 12:17 PM)
obviously alot of ppl didnt know they even have it so they pass it on and on and on even if they are faithful to one partner at a time...but one question can we get it from a kiss?
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No one deserves any STI.

People who gets HIV, HPV, Herpes or any of the wonderful infections are not always sex workers, some are innocent wives, rape victims, accident victims, health workers, children.

When anyone says people with HIV deserves it, it's obvious he's never seen a room full of HIV+ kids, or ward full of patients and not everyone is a IDU, gays or ayams.


Get tested, and when you're absolutely cleared of everything (HIV, HEP A. B, C, Herpes. Syphilis) you can still worry about HPV.

That being said, if you treat sex not as recreational and you're part of the purity ring wearers who actually practise it, what do you have to worry?

Best advice I got which I rarely have the chance to put into practise tongue.gif, is pick and choose your partner wisely, not when you have your beer goggle on, and definitely not under one single red light bulb.

And when you do get lucky, dont even think of doing anything without a rubber, and a glove (or body suit if you're inclined).

And get HEP B vaccine at the very least while you're at it if you were born before 1989 in Malaysia.

Seriously, no one I know who's single is getting any these days. I declare that happy endings on your own is much better option compared to the risks. Or be a stronger man, and just stay celibate until the woman of your dream magically appears with a 34C.


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something for you to be aware of, there's a debate going on that many people arent aware of...many people believe it because it is "assumed" to be true because scientific community told them so.

http://www.houseofnumbers.com/trailer

( please pay close attention to what the HIV discoverer says about HIV )

a few things to ponder :

1) did you know the criteria of HIV testing is different in different
countries ? ( example : you can be + in US, and be - in australia for
the SAME person )

2) until today, seems there's no proof that HIV is isolated
( which means those people who is taking the drugs, you are just
committing suicide, because there are a lot of cases that people
who refuse to eat drugs is still alive after 20 years and counting...)

3) until today, people seems to think about how dangerous HIV is until
they ignore how toxic is the medication for HIV is. Example: They
administer a drug called AZT. AZT is a FAIL drug for cancer, told to
be put off sales, but due to people's pressure on "HIV" the US
Government have to presricbe it...many people who are diagnosed
with + are acting out of fear and consume the drugs.

4) Did you know that the HIV testing is testing for NON-SPECIFIC
ANTIBODY and NOT "HIV" virus(it is stated on the label of the testing
that the testing kit used arent use to diagnosed HIV but government
are still using it) ? There are 70 known factors known to make a
person get FALSE POSITIVE.

refer to : http://www.virusmyth.com/

unfortunately, to pharmaceutical companies, your lives are their profits....their strategy is so good that they manage to fool the public, and I know US is waking up slowly.

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hey sorry to budge in...but anyone from melaka can recommend me good gynae? cz recently i had this fungal infection / vaginal thrush...

thx a lot
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QUOTE(ahmoi @ Apr 16 2009, 01:55 AM)
hey sorry to budge in...but anyone from melaka can recommend me good gynae? cz recently i had this fungal infection / vaginal thrush...

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Most good ones are in the hospital.. Putra, Pantai.. if you're in for budget, then Hospital Malaka. Doctors arent too bad there. Get well soon, and keep clean
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hey fireball...thx for ur advice...smile.gif
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umm actually havent. cs now i having P.... lol. so dn think so would be a good idea to go c a gynae when i have tat.

oh ya the dr vijay u mentioned, he is from melaka GH izzit ?

is there any doc u would recommend from any private hospital? cs i usually go to pvt specialist.. thx
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QUOTE(ahmoi @ Apr 21 2009, 02:28 AM)
umm actually havent. cs now i having P.... lol. so dn think so would be a good idea to go c a gynae when i have tat.

oh ya the dr vijay u mentioned, he is from melaka GH izzit  ?

is there any doc u would recommend from any private hospital? cs i usually go to pvt specialist.. thx
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Haha.. alright.. P time is not a good idea then

Wait, are you even sure you have fungal infection? What made you come to that conclusion btw?

Yup, he's the head of dept there. Private hospital in Melaka... hmmm... most are alright, I'll ask around to know let you know who's best! smile.gif
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QUOTE(Malaysian @ Mar 16 2006, 04:17 AM)
it's better not to know much bout std if wanna do ons

coz i know a lot...make me dun dare to do it altho got chances...
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QUOTE(yeeck @ Oct 10 2006, 07:09 PM)
The parachute might fail sometimes. Same thing with sex.  whistling.gif
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Added on April 21, 2009, 12:01 pmGood topic and sharing.

I browsed the first few pages but found out most responses were trying to teach others what to do to prevent sex. However life isnt always in that case. Even we married our dream on who has been with us since primary, one day we do get bored or things do happen, and we are having an affair, who seems nice and goddess-like...
anyway, it is all out of topic discussions.

1) I heard it could stay in our body for 10 yr before it appears?



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QUOTE(Fireball9 @ Apr 21 2009, 10:07 AM)
Haha.. alright.. P time is not a good idea then

Wait, are you even sure you have fungal infection? What made you come to that conclusion btw?

Yup, he's the head of dept there. Private hospital in Melaka... hmmm... most are alright, I'll ask around to know let you know who's best! smile.gif
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hmm. how should i say? because its very itchy like those unbearable type..and i did try to use the mirror to see what is going on at there. i noe its a bit yucky..but ya. then i googled out and the symptoms matched mine. so it is.

oic...lol do let me know when u found out ..thx smile.gif anyway, r u working in the medical line or something? haha....just curious.
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QUOTE(ahmoi @ Apr 23 2009, 12:00 AM)
hmm. how should i say? because its very itchy like those unbearable type..and i did try to use the mirror to see what is going on at there. i noe its a bit yucky..but ya. then i googled out and the symptoms matched mine. so it is.

oic...lol do let me know when u found out ..thx smile.gif  anyway, r u working in the medical line or something? haha....just curious.
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Itch is a very significant symptom. But yellowish thick discharge is something else that should be seen frequently even after washing. Is that present? Also, do you use any feminine hygiene wash?

The commenest cause of fungal infection there is usually after an intercourse, then it's after taking antibiotics or just hygiene, which I bet is not the cause. And most of the time, this infection goes away within a week with good hygiene. I'm a little worried why yours has persisted, and still very curious to know how you got it in the first place. Try looking for this answers yourself, it'll help when you can tell the doc this stuff smile.gif

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QUOTE(Fireball9 @ Apr 24 2009, 08:13 PM)
Itch is a very significant symptom. But yellowish thick discharge is something else that should be seen frequently even after washing. Is that present? Also, do you use any feminine hygiene wash?

The commenest cause of fungal infection there is usually after an intercourse, then it's after taking antibiotics or just hygiene, which I bet is not the cause. And most of the time, this infection goes away within a week with good hygiene. I'm a little worried why yours has persisted, and still very curious to know how you got it in the first place. Try looking for this answers yourself, it'll help when you can tell the doc this stuff smile.gif

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sorry for late reply..anyway ya there is some kind of discharge..but its more of watery whitish greyish type... from last time i use sebamed 5.5 wash..but so far no prob until now...hmmm. oh ya it seems that i did try take extra good care of myself n there is hardly any itchyness left..but then the discharge is stil there. so i asume i havent cure?

o. for my case,, i think its caused by the broad spectrum antibiotic that i took for my sore throat earlier. in the process i kena ady. oo are u a doctor or something ? lol
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i guess no one heard about HHV before.it is found in GAY@LESBIAN community.

what worst is that HHV can even infect you from a drop of SALIVA.pls digest this.i've read this fact in a Malaysian newspapers.i forgot what newspaper because it was 2-3 years ago.

HHV Virus.identical or worst than HIV.
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hey i wanna ask something, my fren having a problem on his penis@_@ , he told me there is something like pink-white bright dot on his penis neck and the curve part there, wat iproblem is this?, he asked me and discussed with some frens, we din meet this kind of thing on our penis but just only him, possible is the sexual disease? something like rashes.

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QUOTE(ahmoi @ May 1 2009, 12:34 AM)
sorry for late reply..anyway ya there is some kind of discharge..but its more of watery whitish greyish type... from last time i use sebamed 5.5 wash..but so far no prob until now...hmmm. oh ya it seems that i did try take extra good care of myself n there is hardly any itchyness left..but then the discharge is stil there. so i asume i havent  cure?

o. for my case,, i think its caused by the broad spectrum antibiotic that i took for my sore throat earlier. in the process i kena ady. oo are u a doctor or something ? lol
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That's a possible cause, but there's many other possibility. The reason why we want to know the cause is so we can prevent further recurrence. Discharge may take awhile, but basic hygiene improvements will totally get yourself out of it! smile.gif

QUOTE(akubudakshahalam @ May 5 2009, 08:21 PM)
i guess no one heard about HHV before.it is found in GAY@LESBIAN community.

what worst is that HHV can even infect you from a drop of SALIVA.pls digest this.i've read this fact in a Malaysian newspapers.i forgot what newspaper because it was 2-3 years ago.

HHV Virus.identical or worst than HIV.
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HHV = Human Herpes Virus, it's common in childhood, and not really an STD. However, since you mentioned HIV, yes, it's a co-factor to AIDS

QUOTE(hsienhsien @ May 12 2009, 09:50 PM)
hey i wanna ask something, my fren having a problem on his penis@_@ , he told me there is something like pink-white bright dot on his penis neck and the curve part there, wat iproblem is this?, he asked me and discussed with some frens, we din meet this kind of thing on our penis but just only him, possible is the sexual disease? something like rashes.
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Sounds totally like an STD. But there's a lot more to know before we can come to a diagnosis. Hope he gets well soon, and maybe stop his sexual activities for now.
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QUOTE(Fireball9 @ May 13 2009, 09:28 AM)
Sounds totally like an STD. But there's a lot more to know before we can come to a diagnosis. Hope he gets well soon, and maybe stop his sexual activities for now.
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he dint have any sexual intercourse before, but got this kind of thing on his penis. is it the problem of he dint wash properly or too dirty so caused this kind of disease?
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he dint have any sexual intercourse before, but got this kind of thing on his penis. is it the problem of he dint wash properly or too dirty so caused this kind of disease?
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Possible to get sores on the penis if it's not clean. There will be built up of urea from the urine, and that would cause problems like dermatitis. However, it's not small red nodules.. and honestly, a Dr would know best. If he's shy to see a Dr, just keep the part extremely clean for a week. It goes away, then you know your cause. If it doesn't, then see a Dr! smile.gif
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wah...long to read
however is a really good info
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QUOTE(Fireball9 @ May 15 2009, 11:23 AM)
Possible to get sores on the penis if it's not clean. There will be built up of urea from the urine, and that would cause problems like dermatitis. However, it's not small red nodules.. and honestly, a Dr would know best. If he's shy to see a Dr, just keep the part extremely clean for a week. It goes away, then you know your cause. If it doesn't, then see a Dr! smile.gif
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the pinky dotted are on the neck only.. other part no..
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the pinky dotted are on the neck only.. other part no..
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So how's it been? Dots still there or free from it?
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hi all. if the penis got grow sumthg like pimple, wat is tat ah?
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hi all. if the penis got grow sumthg like pimple, wat is tat ah?
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Probably a type of STD... cant be sure unless we enquire more about his sexual history, and know a little more about the description of the "pimple". Red patch? One/multiple? Itchy? Painful? Whole list of questions before a diagnosis can be made smile.gif
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very detail information u have but abit lazy to read all:)
yaya agree with red-queen
the safest sex is no sex
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No one deserves any STI.

--> I wonder why the medical industry change from Sexually Transmitted Disease to Sexually Transmitted Infection...hhmmmm.

People who gets HIV, HPV, Herpes or any of the wonderful infections are not always sex workers, some are innocent wives, rape victims, accident victims, health workers, children.

--->Where's the proof that HIV and HPV has been isolated ?
--->Where is the scientific study that shows HIV ( if it ever existed ) is transmitted sexually ?
--->Dont you realize that the modern medical science makes people "buy in" their knowledge using FEAR ? Until now,
      there is no proof that :
      1) Vaccination can protect you from "virus", "bacteria" or any of those germs, then what is the use of your
          antibody ? and worst thing, you dont know what is inside those chemicals that is about to be injected to you.
      2) There's no evidence that shows chemotheraphy can help heal a person from cancer
      3) There's no evidence that high cholesterol can causes heart attacks 

When anyone says people with HIV deserves it, it's obvious he's never seen a room full of HIV+ kids, or ward full of patients and not everyone is a IDU, gays or ayams.

---> it's so strange when people think the "virus" can "identify" those that are either prostitutes, gays or drug adicts,
       which we term it as "high risk group" and decided to infect these people compare to others...in fact, how do we
       really define a "sexually transmitted disease" ?

Get tested, and when you're absolutely cleared of everything (HIV, HEP A. B, C, Herpes. Syphilis) you can still worry about HPV.

--->it's good to get tested, but the fact, if you are aware, test that is conducted in medical science usually dont tell
      you whether YES you are infected, or NO you are not infected, rather How HIGH is the antibody that will result in
      POSITIVE or rather HOW LOW that will result in NEGATIVE...in other words, everyone has it  wink.gif
      But, Im not even sure if those test conducted in hospital brings any meaning at all, certainly you might not agree
      with me...but the whole modern medical concept is being built on wrong foundation, especially HIV=AIDS.

That being said, if you treat sex not as recreational and you're part of the purity ring wearers who actually practise it, what do you have to worry?

---> No, you dont have to worry, because our body produces virus to protect us from "diseases". If you are
       interested to find out the evidence and scientific facts of HIV=AIDS fraud, please do read the book FEAR OF THE
       INVISIBLE" written by investigative journalists, Janine Roberts....if you arent interested, just a word of advise,
       be careful with any "medicinal" drugs that are being precribe by your doctors. Our bodies are a wonderful
       creation from God, it is an intelligent living form that has the ability to heal itself. Example, if you feel tired, that
       means your body needs to regenerate the cells, if you have fever, that means your body needs to kill infection
       inside your body, and if you have skin problems, your body needs to detoxify.

Best advice I got which I rarely have the chance to put into practise tongue.gif, is pick and choose your partner wisely, not when you have your beer goggle on, and definitely not under one single red light bulb. ---? agree.

And when you do get lucky, dont even think of doing anything without a rubber, and a glove (or body suit if you're inclined).

And get HEP B vaccine at the very least while you're at it if you were born before 1989 in Malaysia.
---> vaccines ? hhhmmmm, think twice my friend, think twice.

GET INFORMED, GET EDUCATED, SAVE LIVES : http://www.virusmyth.com/

Seriously, no one I know who's single is getting any these days. I  declare that happy endings on your own is much better option compared to the risks. Or be a stronger man, and just stay celibate until the woman of your dream magically appears with a 34C.
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Actually when you mentioned a lot of innocent people like wives, children and friends who are infected with HIV, it is because of the testing part. A lot of people are afraid to get tested. Not because they are afraid of the sharp needle, but because of the emberassement. The "emberassment" could harm the people around them. If he is able to get detected early, then he will take all the precautions needed, take medication, have a safer sex, and go for proper counselings. It is the mentality of the people that cause the spread of the hiv.

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why you still dont get it ? the test that is supposed to test you for HIV is actually not testing you for HIV at all. They are just testing you for "HIV antibodies", but why do we need to get scared when we have antibodies agaomst HIV ? shakehead.gif

above all, there's currently NO GOLD STANDARD of testing, because it is an illusion for all of us that HIV is yet to be proven exist. Attached is the interview with Dr Rodney Jerkins, one of first few scientists who are involved in the HIV Test creation collaboration with Abbot Laboratories

http://www.virusmyth.com/aids/hiv/mcinterviewrr.htm


if the public arent willing to be open minded about this, and instead choose to FOLLOW THE FEAR AND STIGMA, then a lot of lives will be lost. We cant swallow everything that have been told to us, seriously, unless your life is for the pharma's profit...then go ahead. But believe me, by the time anyone who are already in the doctor's treatment, once the modern medical science said to them, im sorry you only have 6 more months to live and there's nothing we can do about it....dont feel being cheated.

QUOTE(rac3r @ Jun 21 2009, 05:26 AM)
Actually when you mentioned a lot of innocent people like wives, children and friends who are infected with HIV, it is because of the testing part. A lot of people are afraid to get tested. Not because they are afraid of the sharp needle, but because of the emberassement. The "emberassment" could harm the people around them. If he is able to get detected early, then he will take all the precautions needed, take medication, have a safer sex, and go for proper counselings. It is the mentality of the people that cause the spread of the hiv.
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rac3r,

why you still dont get it ? the test that is supposed to test you for HIV is actually not testing you for HIV at all. They are just testing you for "HIV antibodies", but why do we need to get scared when we have antibodies agaomst HIV ?  shakehead.gif

above all, there's currently NO GOLD STANDARD of testing, because it is an illusion for all of us that HIV is yet to be proven exist. Attached is the interview with Dr Rodney Jerkins, one of first few scientists who are involved in the HIV Test creation collaboration with Abbot Laboratories

http://www.virusmyth.com/aids/hiv/mcinterviewrr.htm
if the public arent willing to be open minded about this, and instead choose to FOLLOW THE FEAR AND STIGMA, then a lot of lives will be lost. We cant swallow everything that have been told to us, seriously, unless your life is for the pharma's profit...then go ahead. But believe me, by the time anyone who are already in the doctor's treatment, once the modern medical science said to them, im sorry you only have 6 more months to live and there's nothing we can do about it....dont feel being cheated.
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Hi david_lynn,

I think you are getting it wrong over here. Our body does not produce HIV antibody unless there is HIV present in the body. It is like when we have flu, our white blood cell will produce the antibody needed to fight against flu and so and so forth. For HIV, the test kit use is ELISA test kit.

The ELISA, or the enzyme immunoassay (EIA), was the first screening test widely used for HIV. It has a high sensitivity. In fact, i dare to say all of the hospitals, clinics, and labs are using that type of test kit to do HIV screening as it has the highest sensitivity so far. And if a person is detected positive for HIV, then they will go for advanced testing such as Western Blot.

Hope the explaination is clear to you smile.gif
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you does not seem to have grasped the difference between sensitivity and specificity. The problem with HIV tests is specificity - they have never been properly correlated with the presence or absence of HIV infection, so they are inherently invalid. You seem to be under the impression that antibodies that these tests detect are specific. Go to www.virusmyth.net, look at the section on HIV tests.

and also this question : why should you be scared when your body already have anti-body against HIV ?

oh by the way, I would like to also inform you about a study that was being undertaken by Dr Roberto Giraldo. The current HIV Test needs to dilute the blood samples of the people by 400 times, with certain chemicals. What happens is that when the chemicals are being added, our blood will produce retroviruses. Some people will produce more, some people will produce a lot..that is why the HIV Test dont measure YES you have HIV (POSITIVE/RE-ACTIVE) or NO you dont have HIV (NEGATIVE/NON-REACTIVE)...instead if you have it HIGH enough, then you are POSITIVE/RE-ACTIVE, else if you have low quantities, you will be NEGATIVE/NON-REACTIVE.

What is shocking ( and eventually really proves that HIV test is meaningless ) is that if all the patients' blood are not being diluted 400 times, EVERYONE WILL BE POSITIVE, including Dr Roberto Giraldo when he do the experiment. sweat.gif

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Hi david_lynn,

I think you are getting it wrong over here. Our body does not produce HIV antibody unless there is HIV present in the body. It is like when we have flu, our white blood cell will produce the antibody needed to fight against flu and so and so forth. For HIV, the test kit use is ELISA test kit.

The ELISA, or the enzyme immunoassay (EIA), was the first screening test widely used for HIV. It has a high sensitivity. In fact, i dare to say all of the hospitals, clinics, and labs are using that type of test kit to do HIV screening as it has the highest sensitivity so far. And if a person is detected positive for HIV, then they will go for advanced testing such as Western Blot.

Hope the explaination is clear to you smile.gif
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rac3r,

you does not seem to have grasped the difference between sensitivity and specificity. The problem with HIV tests is specificity - they have never been properly correlated with the presence or absence of HIV infection, so they are inherently invalid. You seem to be under the impression that antibodies that these tests detect are specific. Go to www.virusmyth.net, look at the section on HIV tests.

and also this question : why should you be scared when your body already have anti-body against HIV ?

oh by the way, I would like to also inform you about a study that was being undertaken by Dr Roberto Giraldo. The current HIV Test needs to dilute the blood samples of the people by 400 times, with certain chemicals. What happens is that when the chemicals are being added, our blood will produce retroviruses. Some people will produce more, some people will produce a lot..that is why the HIV Test dont measure YES you have HIV (POSITIVE/RE-ACTIVE) or NO you dont have HIV (NEGATIVE/NON-REACTIVE)...instead if you have it HIGH enough, then you are POSITIVE/RE-ACTIVE, else if you have low quantities, you will be NEGATIVE/NON-REACTIVE.

What is shocking ( and eventually really proves that HIV test is meaningless ) is that if all the patients' blood are not being diluted 400 times, EVERYONE WILL BE POSITIVE, including Dr Roberto Giraldo when he do the experiment.  sweat.gif
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hmmm.... it seems that you have different views on hiv testing. It seems to me that you do not really understand why our body is producing HIV antibody. Why should the body produce the antibody when there is no HIV presence? Our body will produce the HIV antibody as long as there is white blood cells in the body. It is just the matter of time when the body will produce the antibody.

Some people may develop the hiv antibody in 2-3 weeks and some people will develop in 3 months time and in very rare cases, some people will take up to 6 months. Which is why this period is called the "Window Period".

And so far, the ELISA test kit is the type of test kits widely used in hospitals and clinics for HIV screening. So you are saying all those testings in hospitals and clinics are not accurate at all? How about those blood donation campaign where thousands and thousands of people donate blood and the blood get tested using the same ELISA test kit. Then it means now we all in very dangerous situation? If a person gets accident and go to hospital and use the donated blood, then he is exposed to the risk of getting HIV?
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i understand fully about HIV testing, but how I wish you really read the link that I already attached there by Dr Rodney Richards. Then only you can understand, WHY i have a different view.

Why should the body produce the antibody when there is no HIV presence? correct, and more importantly, arent we being told that if our body produces antibody against a virus or disease, arent we immune to it ? But WHY, in HIV it is different ?

QUOTE(rac3r @ Jun 21 2009, 11:43 AM)
hmmm.... it seems that you have different views on hiv testing. It seems to me that you do not really understand why our body is producing HIV antibody. Why should the body produce the antibody when there is no HIV presence? Our body will produce the HIV antibody as long as there is white blood cells in the body. It is just the matter of time when the body will produce the antibody.

Some people may develop the hiv antibody in 2-3 weeks and some people will develop in 3 months time and in very rare cases, some people will take up to 6 months. Which is why this period is called the "Window Period".

And so far, the ELISA test kit is the type of test kits widely used in hospitals and clinics for HIV screening. Doesnt mean it is widely used or everyone believe it because the medical instill the fear in the public then YOU MUST AGREE. So you are saying all those testings in hospitals and clinics are not accurate at all? YES, please read a book FEAR OF THE INVISIBLE, all your doubts will be answered. How about those blood donation campaign where thousands and thousands of people donate blood and the blood get tested using the same ELISA test kit - same read FEAR OF THE INVISIBLE. Then it means now we all in very dangerous situation? - that's why hemophiliacs died easily wink.gif in US Death by prescription is No.4 If a person gets accident and go to hospital and use the donated blood, then he is exposed to the risk of getting HIV? - will only agree IF HIV is proven to be

1) isolated
2) sexually transmitted
3) able to attack t4 cells

where is HIV ? if you ask for the evidence...the doctors/medical science will be angry and when you start asking "inconvenient question" they will even be more angrier...rac3r, if you refuse to read all the scientific websites that has been outlined, then im afraid im really talking to the wall.

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rac3r,

i understand fully about HIV testing, but how I wish you really read the link that I already attached there by Dr Rodney Richards. Then only you can understand, WHY i have a different view.

Why should the body produce the antibody when there is no HIV presence? correct, and more importantly, arent we being told that if our body produces antibody against a virus or disease, arent we immune to it ? But WHY, in HIV it is different ?
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ok. Sorry. I admit I really did not finish Reading all the facts you posted. That's my bad. Now that I have read it, I really know what are you trying to stress here. You are stressing that HIV testing does not really test for HIV? Or HIV might or might not exist unless scientifically proven. So what do you suggest for those people who are worried about their health. Should or should not they go for the HIV testing? So it means thr govt should also discourage HIV testing? I saw in the article. It is stated there. "I'd say don't have a test. Don't spread HIV testing". Is that what you are trying to spread? HIV testing will enable a person to have preacutions so that the virus do not spread to their love ones and not being a denialist and spread the virus.
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ok rac3r,

no worries, it's ok smile.gif

put it this way, im only providing another logical explanation side about this HIV=AIDS paradigm. But, at the end of the day, you need to read the information(yes, dont even trust what I say, find out yourself) and think logical, NOT BASED ON FEAR. That is all I suggest...ask your doctors all those questions, see if the doctors know how to answer, because usually HIV doctors hate to answer "inconvenient questions".

by the way, that is from a person quotation, He is Dr Val Turner from the Perth Group. He has been explaning to the modern medical science in Australia, and ALL of the doctors CHOOSE TO IGNORE the perth group. They know what the Perth Group is saying, but they just IGNORE his explanation, which is very scientific and logical.

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ok. Sorry. I admit I really did not finish Reading all the facts you posted. That's my bad. Now that I have read it, I really know what are you trying to stress here. You are stressing that HIV testing does not really test for HIV? - yes Or HIV might or might not exist unless scientifically proven -Until there is a stringent experiment that isolate HIV, the NIH. CDC and WHO cant pronounce that HIV exist(from AIDS patients), and after that it is proven to exist, the medical community then must prove that HIV do attack cd4 cells, and then prove it is sexually transmitted - I dont think none of these experiemnts have been done. In fact, the modern medical community straight away censored the debate from the other side of the scientists that is sceptical HIV=AIDS and use the media to smear them, saying they are causing people's lives to be in danger, when those scientists' was really curious when their beloved people died in vain when they cant do anything to help, is it the truth that HIV that "powerful" until it can cause the human immune to collapse ?  hmm.gif Remember, those scientists have everything to lose except their integrity. Peter Duesberg lost all his grants when he questioned HIV=AIDS, yet his prophecy now is becoming true over and over again....before he question HIV=AIDS, he can get any grants at all without any problem, anyone so stupid to purposely lose his grants ?  wink.gif .

So what do you suggest for those people who are worried about their health -fear will make one go crazy, i assure you, you start to worry, you start to think the negative situations, and there's where your body will react to what you think, and all the symptoms will come out. One general thumb of rule, GET TREATED FOR WHAT SYMPTOMS YOU HAVE AND NOT TAKE AIDS DRUGS. Read Janine Roberts' book FEAR OF THE INSIVIBLE - you will understand why what we are chasing and the fear is OUT OF NOTHING. YOU have to read it yourself. Should or should not they go for the HIV testing? So it means thr govt should also discourage HIV testing? - they will NEVER do that, they follow the WHO rules.  I saw in the article. It is stated there. "I'd say don't have a test. Don't spread HIV testing". Is that what you are trying to spread? HIV testing will enable a person to have preacutions so that the virus do not spread to their love ones and not being a denialist and spread the virus.
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ok rac3r,

no worries, it's ok  smile.gif

put it this way, im only providing another logical explanation side about this HIV=AIDS paradigm.  But, at the end of the day, you need to read the information(yes, dont even trust what I say, find out yourself) and think logical, NOT BASED ON FEAR. That is all I suggest...ask your doctors all those questions, see if the doctors know how to answer, because usually HIV doctors hate to answer "inconvenient questions".

by the way, that is from a person quotation, He is Dr Val Turner from the Perth Group. He has been explaning to the modern medical science in Australia, and ALL of the doctors CHOOSE TO IGNORE the perth group. They know what the Perth Group is saying, but they just IGNORE his explanation, which is very scientific and logical.
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I know there might be a lot of other theories or new concepts regarding HIV but the most important is to detect the virus and contain it from spreading. I know we can't really stop people from spreading, whether intentional or unintentional, but at least we know that a person with HIV will never try to spread to their love ones.
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oh rac3r,

nvm, i guess it doesnt make any difference even before and after you read the websites I gave. But again, most people cant see it...FEAR already blinded majority of them, FEAR FROM DEATH wink.gif YOUR MIND ALREADY STUCK AND CLOSED...it's very easy, just look at cancer, doctors knew that chemotheraphy wont really help people, but they CHOOSE to sell this treatment to people, and chemotherapies is the ONLY choice of treatment. Same goes with their research, each and everytime, they will say we are more nearer to the cure, so ask yourself this, has any of those cancer research realized so far ?

Until today, modern medical science HAVE NOT safe any lives...In fact they play around with statistics for people like you to "believe". Of course, the people who are practising modern medical science, not all are bad and greedy, some do have good intentions, but their foundation are wrong even without them knowing it.

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I know there might be a lot of other theories or new concepts regarding HIV but the most important is to detect the virus and contain it from spreading - please, we are not in a science lecture, but whatever the "theory or concept" are, all are from the "dissidents" and all are pointing to the fact that HIV is not as "powerful" virus that has been overestimated, but modern medical science refuse to admit that and keep on going with their research, when majority of the people are dying from their drugs, which affirms that the drugs are killing something that is invisible. Unfortunately, only those people who are "in denial" are able to feel/experience that their "denial" somehow make sense and eventually save their lives. They managed to escapae from the bandwagon that the modern medical science has instill in the community, for those that dont have a brave heart to go through, they will caught up in this medical blunder of all time, this is NOT the first time medical science has make mistake.

I know we can't really stop people from spreading, whether intentional or unintentional, but at least we know that a person with HIV will never try to spread to their love ones. - your intention is good, but you need to get the foundation right first before even making decsions like this, instead of asking people to take HIV test, you should stop drug addicts from taking recreational drugs, it will really kill them.
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oh rac3r,

nvm, i guess it doesnt make any difference even before and after you read the websites I gave. But again, most people cant see it...FEAR already blinded majority of them, FEAR FROM DEATH  wink.gif YOUR MIND ALREADY STUCK AND CLOSED...it's very easy, just look at cancer, doctors knew that chemotheraphy wont really help people, but they CHOOSE to sell this treatment to people, and chemotherapies is the ONLY choice of treatment. Same goes with their research, each and everytime, they will say we are more nearer to the cure, so ask yourself this, has any of those cancer research realized so far ?

Until today, modern medical science HAVE NOT safe any lives...In fact they play around with statistics for people like you to "believe". Of course, the people who are practising modern medical science, not all are bad and greedy, some do have good intentions, but their foundation are wrong even without them knowing it.
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hmmm... let me ask you something. If you so happen to be too drunk and had an unprotected sex with a stranger or you went for sex service and unfortunately enough, the condom breaks. Will you sit still at home and won't go for any HIV or STD testing since to you, all tests are inaccurate enough. So you rather be carefree and go on with your life not knowing when and how you will one day infects your love ones?

HIV test might not be 100% accurate as there are no 100% accurate test kit in this world. Even for pregnancy test kit also give your 99.999% only. But people still go for the test at least they can get to know whether they pregnant or not or HIV infected or not.

You might give all the reasons not to believe the test but if someday, this were to happen to you, you will be glad that you are tested negative smile.gif
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we have a few things here that get mix up because they compliment each other very well, that is religion and health. I'll explain...
yes STD does exists, there's no doubt about it. but, have you ever wonder, where does sexually transmitted disease comes from ? Usually, it has symptoms of it's own, so I bet you if that person is urinating very painful, do you think that person will sit at home and enjoy ? Therefore, im sure the person will go for treatment to ensure the pain is gone. This is what we call, you see the clinical symptoms and you treat the symptoms. However, in HIV, with the ASSUMPTION that it is sexually transmitted, and better still, in any religion, it is a wrong thing to do casual sex. With both of these dogmas, everyone buys in to believe that HIV TEST is the best way to determine your health if you are "infected". So, you dont have any clinical symptoms, but BECAUSE OF FEAR, you submit to HIV Test out of feeling politically correct. However, once positive, suddenly you are told you will live probably about 10 years max. While you are being given this diagnosis, you can still feel perfectly good. But, the doctors will ask you to test for viral load and cd4 counts ( which has nothing to do with disease progression ) and once it is less than 200, you will be asked to take AIDS DRUGS, even though, at this point of time, you have NO SYMPTOMS. These has violated the normal practise of medicine.

By the way, from the way you phrase your sentence, im sorry to say that YOU LIVE IN FEAR rather than COMMON SENSE...which a lot of people are im sure. Do you know how confidently the doctors propose to their patients to use Vioxx ? Via_gra ? Prozac ? only to realized the patients are killed by those drugs. oh well, I dont feel like explaining to you because BELIEVE ME, as long as you dont read all the information I gave you, you will use the modern medical science thinking to challenge me, but what's the point ? It's because there are people out there who suffer before and realized it, that's why they want to let the public know...

and rac3r, PLEASEEEEEEE.......there are a lot of HIV+ out there currently who are living almost 20 years drugs free(it's still relatively new because "HIV" is just 27 years old) because something that their body dont agree with what the doctor is saying. HIV test is not only NOT 100% accurate, it is INVALID. Dont equate pregnant with HIV, please laugh.gif

You should rather ask, WHAT REALLY MAKES HIM DONT BELIEVE THIS HIV TEST ? WHAT IS IT THAT HE READS ? Did I told you about the experiment that Dr Roberto Giraldo did ? All HIV test needs to be diluted 400 times before they are able to lessen the antibodies ? if it is not diluted 400 times, everyone is POSITIVE. Unfortunately, the pharmaceuticals have bought over the media, so making them even more invincible, so they can market their drugs. I dont expect you to even agree with me when you havent even read all the link I gave you...it's not a tom,d*** or harry website mind you.

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hmmm... let me ask you something. If you so happen to be too drunk and had an unprotected sex with a stranger or you went for sex service and unfortunately enough, the condom breaks. Will you sit still at home and won't go for any HIV or STD testing since to you, all tests are inaccurate enough. So you rather be carefree and go on with your life not knowing when and how you will one day infects your love ones?

HIV test might not be 100% accurate as there are no 100% accurate test kit in this world. Even for pregnancy test kit also give your 99.999% only. But people still go for the test at least they can get to know whether they pregnant or not or HIV infected or not.

You might give all the reasons not to believe the test but if someday, this were to happen to you, you will be glad that you are tested negative smile.gif
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Added on June 22, 2009, 8:39 pmas expected, more and more people feels the need to do :

http://forum.lowyat.net/topic/933423

Im definately not against a test that is really testing for a "virus" called as "HIV", seriously. But, if everyone decides to go for a test that actually dont test for HIV, there is no point. But again, whatever I said as you can see it is true,

1) the media will be actively advertising it, promoting the FEAR
2) people themself dont expect the medical to be wrong
3) hiv is "nothing to be scared of", therefore go for a test isnt bad afterall

How I wish the people who are tested "positive" do happen to read this websites...because doesnt mean getting tested negative makes everything right about HIV=AIDS.

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rac3r,

we have a few things here that get mix up because they compliment each other very well, that is religion and health. I'll explain...
yes STD does exists, there's no doubt about it. but, have you ever wonder, where does sexually transmitted disease comes from ? Usually, it has symptoms of it's own, so I bet you if that person is urinating very painful, do you think that person will sit at home and enjoy ? Therefore, im sure the person will go for treatment to ensure the pain is gone. This is what we call, you see the clinical symptoms and you treat the symptoms. However, in HIV, with the ASSUMPTION that it is sexually transmitted, and better still, in any religion, it is a wrong thing to do casual sex. With both of these dogmas, everyone buys in to believe that HIV TEST is the best way to determine your health if you are "infected". So, you dont have any clinical symptoms, but BECAUSE OF FEAR, you submit to HIV Test out of feeling politically correct. However, once positive, suddenly you are told you will live probably about 10 years max. While you are being given this diagnosis, you can still feel perfectly good. But, the doctors will ask you to test for viral load and cd4 counts ( which has nothing to do with disease progression ) and once it is less than 200, you will be asked to take AIDS DRUGS, even though, at this point of time, you have NO SYMPTOMS. These has violated the normal practise of medicine.

By the way, from the way you phrase your sentence, im sorry to say that YOU LIVE IN FEAR rather than COMMON SENSE...which a lot of people are im sure. Do you know how confidently the doctors propose to their patients to use Vioxx ? Via_gra ? Prozac ? only to realized the patients are killed by those drugs. oh well, I dont feel like explaining to you because BELIEVE ME, as long as you dont read all the information I gave you, you will use the modern medical science thinking to challenge me, but what's the point ? It's because there are people out there who suffer before and realized it, that's why they want to let the public know...

and rac3r, PLEASEEEEEEE.......there are a lot of HIV+ out there currently who are living almost 20 years drugs free(it's still relatively new because "HIV" is just 27 years old) because something that their body dont agree with what the doctor is saying. HIV test is not only NOT 100% accurate, it is INVALID. Dont equate pregnant with HIV, please  laugh.gif

You should rather ask, WHAT REALLY MAKES HIM DONT BELIEVE THIS HIV TEST ? WHAT IS IT THAT HE READS ? Did I told you about the experiment that Dr Roberto Giraldo did ? All HIV test needs to be diluted 400 times before they are able to lessen the antibodies ? if it is not diluted 400 times, everyone is POSITIVE. Unfortunately, the pharmaceuticals have bought over the media, so making them even more invincible, so they can market their drugs. I dont expect you to even agree with me when you havent even read all the link I gave you...it's not a tom,d*** or harry website mind you.

Added on June 22, 2009, 8:39 pmas expected, more and more people feels the need to do :

http://forum.lowyat.net/topic/933423

Im definately not against a test that is really testing for a "virus" called as "HIV", seriously. But, if everyone decides to go for a test that actually dont test for HIV, there is no point. But again, whatever I said as you can see it is true,

1) the media will be actively advertising it
2) people themself dont expect the media to be wrong
3) hiv is "nothing to be scared of"

How I wish the people who are tested "positive" do happen to read this websites...because doesnt mean getting tested negative makes everything right about HIV=AIDS.
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I know you have your own point of views regarding the current HIV test. And you are trying to point out how inaccurate the tests are. So what is your wise idea to detect whether a person is infected with HIV or not since you are rejecting the current method of HIV testing?

I never want to say that you are totally wrong. It is just that i feel HIV testing is must for everybody. You can choose not to take the HIV drugs even if you are tested positive. To eat or not to eat, you can control it but you cant control the infection if you do not know your body's current health. Why are there so many people would want to go for HIV testing even it might be emberassing? It is because they want to know their health condition so that they can take a better precaution against HIV and AIDS.



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I know you have your own point of views regarding the current HIV test. And you are trying to point out how inaccurate the tests are. So what is your wise idea to detect whether a person is infected with HIV or not since you are rejecting the current method of HIV testing?

I never want to say that you are totally wrong. It is just that i feel HIV testing is must for everybody. You can choose not to take the HIV drugs even if you are tested positive. To eat or not to eat, you can control it but you cant control the infection if you do not know your body's current health. Why are there so many people would want to go for HIV testing even it might be emberassing? It is because they want to know their health condition so that they can take a better precaution against HIV and AIDS.
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rac3r,

So what is your wise idea to detect whether a person is infected with HIV or not since you are rejecting the current method of HIV testing? - THERE IS NONE, DO YOU GET IT ? IF YOU SERIOUSLY READ THE SCIENTIFIC QUOTATION FROM THOSE WEBSITES, YOU WILL KNOW TO GO FOR THE TEST WILL DO MORE HARM THAN GOOD, until the HIV virus is really being isolated, then only there can be a true gold standard. That is why on the test kit, it is written, "at the moment this test kit is not used to diagnosed HIV", if im not mistaken Abbot Laboratories...why there is such statement, because companies dont want to get into trouble and they know something already, therefore they need to protect themselves first. You are responsible for your own lives.

you are very ignorant, im sorry to say that(but again it's not your fault). Yes, but what is the evidence that being HIV + has correlation with you body's health ? YOU are assuming. When a person is positive, believe me, the 1st thing to go wrong is the emotional part...you will be stress, you will worry, and have sleepless nights ( for something that is invisible and yet to proven ), do you know that IMPROPER SLEEP will make your immune system to go down ? This has been experimented and proven. As much as understanding your good intention to ensure you are in good health, HIV Testing is DEFINATELY not one of those things that will ensure you are in good health.

Im very sorry, but Malaysians are really lazy to do reading, and prefer to ask questions when the answer to their questions are all in the websites I provided.

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Hi david_lynn,

So sorry yeah, for being a Malaysian. I did read all your scientific articles. Just that i am really against you saying getting tested for HIV do more harm than good. You can sing all your way through about how you disagree about HIV testing, how it is better not to get tested, how your facts back you up but people like you is just being ignorant about getting tested. If there are more people like you in Malaysia, I afraid that we will be like thailand or worse still, Asia's Africa.

You are saying a person should not get tested for HIV just because he will have a sleepless night, then from there immune system goes down then will die faster. No matter how tough it is to get tested and being a Positive, that person has to face it. Running away wont make you Negative. But being known about your HIV status can prevent from spreading to their love ones. Even if person is Positve, it does not mean that he will have to discontinue his daily life. All he need to do is being more cautious and try not to spread it. There are couples which one of them is negative and another is Positive. They still can have normal sex life by having protected sex. It does not mean once you are Positive, your life ends here.

Yes. You are right. When you go for HIV testing, the test is not 100% accurate due to Window Period, improper way to do the test and etc. But the doctors always advise the patients to do second testing after the Window Period.

It does not mean all the HIV test done in clinics and hospitals by using rapid test kits are faulty. The accuracy is not 50-50 whether you are postive or negative. The accuracy is 99.98%.


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Hi david_lynn,

So sorry yeah, for being a Malaysian. I did read all your scientific articles - REALLY ? I DOUBT SO  wink.gif . Just that i am really against you saying getting tested for HIV do more harm than good. You can sing all your way through about how you disagree about HIV testing, how it is better not to get tested, how your facts back you up but people like you is just being ignorant about getting tested. If there are more people like you in Malaysia, I afraid that we will be like thailand or worse still, Asia's Africa. - that's because you have believe in religiously into this strategy marketing that has been presented to the public as facts. But again, there's no point for me argue with you when seriously you havent read all the websites, which you might be thinking those people are joking....you believe in to those facts out of FEAR, not out of common sense.

You are saying a person should not get tested for HIV just because he will have a sleepless night, then from there immune system goes down then will die faster. No matter how tough it is to get tested and being a Positive, that person has to face it. Running away wont make you Negative. - goodness, your reply really reflects to me, whether you read the link I gave or not, doesnt matter, because you already have a closed mind...just an advise for you, that is dangerous  sweat.gif because the websites have scientific evidence but the hospital/clinics that you go to dont even present you with evidence, yet you still cant get it that those doctors in clinic/hospitals do kill people before with their malpractice...all they do is convince you with their WORDS. Anyway, here's the website for you to read ( if you want to ) on the toxic/danger of AIDS drugs :

http://www.tig.org.za/

But being known about your HIV status can prevent from spreading to their love ones. Even if person is Positve, it does not mean that he will have to discontinue his daily life. All he need to do is being more cautious and try not to spread it. There are couples which one of them is negative and another is Positive. They still can have normal sex life by having protected sex. It does not mean once you are Positive, your life ends here. - Seriously, if you notice, your answer is the same for all your past reply. It's like you do some repetition shows, sigh, it's ok, you have choose to believe out of FEAR(out of something not proven-but medical will admit to you there are overwhelming evidences that arent retrovirus) not based on EVIDENCE, many would also do what you do.

Yes. You are right. When you go for HIV testing, the test is not 100% accurate due to Window Period, improper way to do the test and etc. But the doctors always advise the patients to do second testing after the Window Period. - it doesnt matter rac3r, window period is a definition created to make their explanation more easier, just like how they created the term "Long Term Non Progressors" when the medical says majority of people will die in max 10 years, but those who rejected the AIDS DRUGS live more than 20 years...they are unable to explain, therefore need to cover up for themself, created a new term  wink.gif

It does not mean all the HIV test done in clinics and hospitals by using rapid test kits are faulty. The accuracy is not 50-50 whether  you are postive or negative. The accuracy is 99.98%.

I REPEAT FOR THE LAST TIME(which again tells me you DONT READ MY WEBSITE, because you believe in the FEAR) : The issue is HIV test is not accuracy, but specifity. It is not specific to HIV.

think about this : the medical science ( Robert Gallo/Montagnier ) have not even prove the isolation of HIV yet, he straight away go to HIV Test which he created, then go to the treatment...all the doctors are actually just repeating what they are being told(that is assume to be proven true), therefore people being not medically trained of course will believe it.

Make it simple rac3r, if a person once infected by measles and rubella ( they are also virus )
1) why the person will come down with the sickness in 1 weeks' time when HIV have latency period ?
2) why a person who become sick will have sickness symptoms when HIV dont have or copy other symptoms of sickness ?
3) you can get well and go on with live while in HIV you are being told you can live max 10 years ? ( can predict your future )

you see rac3r, when you fail to see the common sense, you are endagering your lives...you may be safe for now ( negative ) but this doesnt make the HIV=AIDS paradigm correct and doesnt mean you can escape in future  wink.gif

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This is surely a no-ending argument with you. You have your own views and i have my own views. Both are standing so strong. And I am wondering why you keep accusing me of not reading the links and articles whenever i disagree with your views. Stop it k? I do not agree with you doesnt mean i did not read the articles.

From all your previous postings, i can 100% classify you as a True AIDS Denialist. You can go to google and type AIDS denialist and you will appear top in wikipedia.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/AIDS_denialism

Check this out david_lynn

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AIDS denialism refers to the views of a loosely connected group of individuals and organizations who deny that the human immunodeficiency virus (HIV) is the cause of acquired immune deficiency syndrome (AIDS).[1] HIV/AIDS denialists prefer the terms "rethinker" or "dissident". Some denialist groups reject the existence of HIV, while others accept that HIV exists but argue that it is a harmless passenger virus and not the cause of AIDS.

The causative role of HIV in the development of AIDS has been established by multiple lines of evidence as a subject of scientific consensus.[2][3] Denialist arguments are considered to be the result of cherry-picking and misrepresentation of predominantly outdated scientific data,[4] with the potential to endanger public health by dissuading people from using proven treatments.[5][6][7][3][8][9] With the rejection of these arguments by the scientific community, AIDS denialist material is currently spread largely through the Internet.[9][10] Public health researchers have investigated the human cost of AIDS denialism: independent estimates attribute 330,000 to 340,000 AIDS deaths, 171,000 HIV infections and 35,000 infant HIV infections to the South African government's former embrace of AIDS denialism.[11][12]

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as I said, you can read and digest all the information that fast ? common sense would tell me actually, even if you do read all of them, I doubt you really understand them wink.gif ...i took 5 month to really digest all properly and really think is it what those scientists says are true ? Slowly, it started to make sense now. HIV=AIDS theory isnt strong, there are many people out there suing their doctors and hospitals...come on, please, dont be so ignorant.

what am i denying ? smile.gif Im telling you the evidence that HIV doesnt equate with AIDS, but in return you call me "denialists" and choose to push away the facts that i told you as a theory rclxms.gif As what the HIV test creator, Dr Rodney Richards says, going to HIV Test to test for HIV is just simply an "illusion" that many people, including the doctors arent aware of.

HIV=AIDS is a new religion now, especially to people like you who arent open minded. well, of course for those people out there who can see pass the dark, im sure their lives are happier and live more longer...after all, you can see deaths from people who eat too much drugs easily doh.gif They choose to believe EVERYTHING that the doctors said.

HIV=AIDS is a new religion now, especially to people like you who arent open minded. well, of course for those people out there who can see pass the dark, im sure their lives are happier and live more longer...

QUOTE(rac3r @ Jun 22 2009, 10:45 PM)
This is surely a no-ending argument with you. You have your own views and i have my own views. Both are standing so strong. And I am wondering why you keep accusing me of not reading the links and articles whenever i disagree with your views. Stop it k? I do not agree with you doesnt mean i did not read the articles.

From all your previous postings, i can 100% classify you as a True AIDS Denialist. You can go to google and type AIDS denialist and you will appear top in wikipedia.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/AIDS_denialism

Check this out david_lynn
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rac3r,

as I said, you can read and digest all the information that fast ? common sense would tell me actually, even if you do read all of them, I doubt you really understand them  wink.gif ...i took 1 month to really digest all properly and really think is it what those scientists says are true ? Slowly, it started to make sense now. HIV=AIDS theory isnt strong, there are many people out there suing their doctors and hospitals...come on, please, dont be so ignorant.

what am i denying ?  smile.gif Im telling you the evidence that HIV doesnt equate with AIDS, but in return you call me "denialists" and choose to push away the facts that i told you as a theory  rclxms.gif

HIV=AIDS is a new religion now, especially to people like you who arent open minded. well, of course for those people out there who can see pass the dark, im sure their lives are happier and live more longer...
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Hi,

Now you are saying that i do not understand about what i have read. rclxm9.gif

I do understand what i have read just that i do not agree with it. Which is why i am telling you my views. I am strongly disagree with you when you are actually encouraging people not to go for HIV test. Do you know how much courage it takes for a person to go for HIV testing? and a person like you who never gone through that feeling just keep telling people how inaccurate the tests are and keep spreading your "Denialist" idealogy.

You might not realise it but if you really go and look through all your postings 1 by 1, you are a Denialist yourself.

But anyhow, there is 1 point that you mentioned that i do agree with you. Which is the medicine for HIV. I do believe that the medicine is very strong and it can help to prolong or shorten the patient's life. It is like the chemotherapy for cancer. It is actually using poison to fight the cancerous cell. The process can heal the patient or kill them. But for cancer, if you are tested early, then there might still be a chance of living but for AIDS, it is none. But getting tested early can save the lives of people around you.
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Hi,

Now you are saying that i do not understand about what i have read.  rclxm9.gif  >> does it matter ? serious, i feel this is like a stupid question...Im sorry dont know what else to say  sweat.gif

I do understand what i have read just that i do not agree with it. Which is why i am telling you my views. > I totally understand your views, which is why the website proves to you the scientific studies and rationalization why what YOU HAVE UNDERSTAND might not be correct after all. But, your reply is like going around circles EVEN WITHOUT TOUCHING THE SCIENTIFIC EVIDENCES, and yet you say YOU UNDERSTAND ???? Could you see it ? It is so obvious  doh.gif

I am strongly disagree with you when you are actually encouraging people not to go for HIV test. Do you know how much courage it takes for a person to go for HIV testing? >>> oh believe me, there are some coutries that force people to take the test whether you like it or not.

and a person like you who never gone through that feeling just keep telling people how inaccurate the tests are and keep spreading your "Denialist" idealogy. >> why is everyone assuming ? Which part says that I never gone through ? By the way, just to let you know, I dont believe in the results anyway, not that Im in the risk group. The most one need to take extra care of the health if that person is diagnosed + , not thinking going to die, that is just absurd.

You might not realise it but if you really go and look through all your postings 1 by 1, you are a Denialist yourself. >> hhmmm, rac3r, make it this way, it wont be beneficial to argue with you(in fact waste my time to explain information that you can read from the website and make it mnore clearly to you) because you dont rebutt the scientific evidence on those websites, OK ? Let's just stop here.

But anyhow, there is 1 point that you mentioned that i do agree with you. Which is the medicine for HIV. I do believe that the medicine is very strong and it can help to prolong or shorten the patient's life. >> oh goodness gracious, stop it rac3r...THE WEBSITE I PROVIDE DIDNT SAY THAT AND IT IS OBVIOUS YOU DIDNT READ THE WEBSITE, CAN IT BE MORE OBVIOUS THAN THIS ?

It is like the chemotherapy for cancer. It is actually using poison to fight the cancerous cell. The process can heal the patient or kill them. But for cancer, if you are tested early, then there might still be a chance of living but for AIDS, it is none. >> Im sorry, we stop now, you are obviously illiterate. Did you know, one of the AIDS DRUG, AZT is a FAILED/REJECTED chemotherapies ? The government purposely wanted AZT to be kept in the shelf from usage of the public because it is too toxic yet not beneficial. Im sorry, Im not going to explain any further all those "EVIDENCES IN THE WEBSITE" for you...not just you want me to feed you, you are not open minded and you dont talk sense with evidences. and lastly, those arent my "views", they are scientific studies and investigations done by curious scientists and investigative journalists that really look into the "evidences" that the modern medical science has provided...Those scientists dont teach me, No the modern medical science is wrong, HIV by itself cant cause AIDS, but I read and ask critical questions that makes me see the sense behind the FAILURE WHY UNTIL NOW NOBODY IS SAVE. As it is said by someone, BIG CLAIMS NEED TO COME WITH BIG EVIDENCES. Choosing to believe something that isnt really proven, THAT IS CALL COMMITTING SUICE.

But getting tested early can save the lives of people around you. >> GOOD FOR YOU., IM HAPPY FOR YOU.
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hey guys...cool it, cool it. It's good to have such debate i think, but i just want to comment 1 thing...rac3r, you are already very comfortable with the current paradigm, so it is very hard for you to accept what david has just said to you ( me too actually ), BUT the information and questions that David asked is very important, that from my understanding, I dont think it has ever been answered yet. It is still in grey area.

furthermore, yes, there are people who has misdiagnosed, was starting to take the drugs when suddenly they retest, suddenly came out negative. How would you feel ? If me, I would want to sue that doctor or hospital.

ADD ON : furthermore, I think david's intention is really sincere from the way he explain things. He dont force you, He just ask you to think critically.
( I think lah ) You know right, once you are diagnosed positive, the public will treat you with one kind. cool2.gif which i dont think is the
right way. icon_rolleyes.gif

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  hey guys...cool it, cool it. It's good to have such debate i think, but i just want to comment 1 thing...rac3r, you are already very comfortable with the current paradigm, so it is very hard for you to accept what david has just said to you ( me too actually ), BUT the information and questions that David asked is very important, that from my understanding, I dont think it has ever been answered yet. It is still in grey area.

furthermore, yes, there are people who has misdiagnosed, was starting to take the drugs when suddenly they retest, suddenly came out negative. How would you feel ? If me, I would want to sue that doctor or hospital.

ADD ON : furthermore, I think david's intention is really sincere from the way he explain things. He dont force you, He just ask you to think critically.
( I think lah ) You know right, once you are diagnosed positive, the public will treat you with one kind. cool2.gif which i dont think is the
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Yes, shaquenator. You are right. david_lynn is not forcing us to accept the facts he posted and i and not saying he is forcing me or anyone to accept it as well. I understand that this HIV debate things has been going on for years since still no cure for it. Because of that, there are "Denialist" like david_lynn. david_lynn intention might be good thinking he can keep spreading the bad side of getting tested which leads to people thinking that there is no point to get tested at all since the results is not true at all. Then why bother get tested? If everyone have that mentalily of not getting tested, sooner or later Malaysia will be like those african countries. Maybe he can advise all those NGO which has been working so hard to control HIV to go take a break since no one is going to test and no test is accurate enough for hiv testing. To david_lynn, hiv test = bad. Hope this world will be a better place with more people like him


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rac3r,

i think you take it too personal already. as David stated, STDs are real but NOT HIV.


david_lynn intention might be good thinking he can keep spreading the bad side of getting tested which leads to people thinking that there is no point to get tested at all since the results is not true at all > im afraid I have to disagree with you. The reason is

1) he really do provide link that has some explanation to why the current paradigm is incorrect, with the studies attached
from what I can read, there's 2 study :

Padian study - a study that shows quite a lot of couples(1 positive and 1 negative ), they are practising unsafe sex and after 6
years following them, none sero-converted. This real study itself seem enough to make me rethink again about the sexual
transmission, because to be frank, I think david might be right, where is the evidence that HIV can be transmitted sexually ?

Concorde study - a study that shows HIV patients on AZT died earlier than those who didnt take it. It clearly shows the AIDS
medication in fact have a lot of side effects, some are like the AIDS illnesses. It is quite harmful, and I study the information
further in the TIG website that david gave, hhmmmm....I think something fishy is there(i dont know).

I think what david is doing is making other people look into the facts themselves, not asking you to believe at all. That is why he provided the links. Hhhmmmm, as compare to you, you keep saying to him that he is wrong and that he is a "denialist", but at least he provides links that really debate back why the current thinking might be a mistake. YOU DONT.

2)I also look at one of the survivor website, Maria - she has been diagnosed since 1984, she almost died because of the medication.
But, when she stop, all the illnesses just stop. I mean how can this be coincidental ? and there's only 1 possible reason for that.
Besides, when she requested her Greece government to prove that HIV can cause AIDS, it is shocking ( cant believe what I read )
the Greece government have not provide them almost 2 years now and they are still awaiting for the evidence. hmm.gif

3)Then I go into Janine's website, Fear Of The Invisible...it seems that there are 2 discoverer of HIV - Robert Gallo and Montagnier.
Robert Gallo, shockingly was told to get out of NIH quietly due to scientific misconduct. On the other hand, Montagnier, dont believe
HIV has been isolated OR HIV itself isnt enough to cause AIDS. It is quite shocking when we really go inside and read it. By the
way, Janine's website really do have evidence that Robert Gallo has committed a fraud.

hhhmmm, really, it gives me a lesson that, sometimes, if we dont really read with an open-minded thinking and choose to be close-minded, it is indeed not to your advantage. Nobody ask you to believe it totally without seeing the evidence as what David already said to you. He ask you not to trust what he said, look at the website.


QUOTE(rac3r @ Jun 23 2009, 07:17 PM)
Yes, shaquenator. You are right. david_lynn is not forcing us to accept the facts he posted and i and not saying he is forcing me or anyone to accept it as well. I understand that this HIV debate things has been going on for years since still no cure for it. Because of that, there are "Denialist" like david_lynn. david_lynn intention might be good thinking he can keep spreading the bad side of getting tested which leads to people thinking that there is no point to get tested at all since the results is not true at all. Then why bother get tested? If everyone have that mentalily of not getting tested, sooner or later Malaysia will be like those african countries. Maybe he can advise all those NGO which has been working so hard to control HIV to go take a break since no one is going to test and no test is accurate enough for hiv testing. To david_lynn, hiv test = bad. Hope this world will be a better place with more people like him
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Added on June 24, 2009, 1:48 pmADD ON : bad news is many asians arent willing to be open minded and ask questions =) Yup, I agree fear already blinded people's thinking, as what David says...

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thanks shaquenator.

unfortunately, many are being lied into this deception because the campaign is based on FEAR MONGERING, DISEASE MONGERING and they control the media to make sure everyone feel this is "real". The problem is many people are so filled with the FEAR MONGERING tactics, they just fail to see the logic behind the failure of this theory. Their brain already brain-washed...and just look at how rac3r debate with me...oh my goodness, he just keeps on using FEAR to make me feel intimidated, but I use "EVIDENCE" back to make it clear to him, and still he just cant see my rational.

Another scam that you guys need to be aware of is the HPV for woman...that is said to become cancer. if you buy into the FEAR, then when your daughters take GARDASIL, that's it ! Your daughter's health is done, Im not going to feed you guys this time. You will need to do research yourself, because I dont have any benefit to gain anyway. Im just being kind enough to help you all who seem confuse to see thorough it, JUST DONT DISCRIMINATE THOSE PEOPLE. It isnt right.

The medical is the one that we need to be sceptical about ! I QUESTION MEDICAL AND AIDS ORTHODOX.

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Added on June 25, 2009, 4:36 pmanother thing, YOU CANT POSSIBLY TO LISTEN TO CDC, NIH, FDA....they have VESTED INTEREST and your lives are their $$$$


Added on June 25, 2009, 4:37 pmTELL A LIE LOUD ENOUGH AND LONG ENOUGH AND PEOPLE WILL BELIEVE IT - Adolph Hitler


Added on June 26, 2009, 9:48 amHi all,

again I want to share with you about the "claims" that the government that currently is active promoting. This link will self explain that the promotion, the vaccines, the "test", are all part of their strategy to convince you to buy the "drugs". So, who is in "denial" then ?

remember, people like rac3r, when you campaign and promote so agrresively to take "test", but when those "infected" take those drugs, and find out the truth, who's going to be responsible ? wink.gif You think your government is there for them ? inside this link also, please do watch out how they use the media to create sense of fear at the end of the show.

http://www.dailymotion.com/relevance/searc...opaganda_webcam

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garasesell, just go to the website I provide...read for yourself, dont trust what I have posted, read the main source. if people dont start questioning, more and more lives will be dead based on an UNPROVEN HYPOTHESIS and DEADLY TREATMENT.
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Davidlynn, I'm so gonna pick one of ur most interesting twisted article/journal to be used in my coming critical appraisal smile.gif Gotta read from the start sometimes later. Let's see what's the lecturer gonna comment about the articles/research papers you posted.
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you think Im scared ? laugh.gif

and even worst you are asking your lecturer whose knowledge is also based on modern medical science ? (im not sure, maybe he might know something about natural health, that is fine...then he has the story to both side, which should be the way)

as for you, it's ok, you can laugh, comment or write anything you want, cause it is useless to discuss these things with you. Sometimes, you have to EXPERIENCE it, then ONLY you know what Im talking about. This kind of things arent that straight forward as you might think, and Im not saying this to protect myself, but it is indeed the truth. The modern medical science has managed to confuse a lot of people, and blame or equate the natural/alternative healings as a scam or hoax. The first condition to treat s sick/ill person is do not harm the body, yet modern medical science has violated that condition long time ago, this is very obvious in cancer, yet people(without using their brain) keep debating(without seeing the other side's opinion) as if they are preaching the gospel, UNKNOWN that many have died because they DECIDED to go to modern medical science for treatment wink.gif

again, there's no point to argue with you(or the others), because I know where you are because I used to think like the majority. I really thank God that He opens my eyes of the evil people in this world who are so good at manipulating and lying, masking the marketing plan as the solution of scientific medicine for their own profits. Please, dont go on joking saying this is a conspiracy...LOL, when you cant see it, you just cant. Bear in mind, health is yours not mine, so if anyone of the people sort of threaten me that if there's no evidence, they wont believe...which is fine to me LOL.

As usual, one of my relatives recently just take a shot for the H1N1, and (why am I not surprised ) he was sick, vomit, fever and feel painful. Again, this doesnt happens to everyone, but this clearly indicates to me, something inside the vaccines(which we dont know) is trying to hijack our body system, yet our body is fighting against it, until I gave him Vit C(from natural resources such as beta carotene, ascorbic acid)...then was his condition getting better. He thinks Im losing my mind...but after that incident, now he starts to dig deep into reading unbiased studies, natural food, PH status. As I said over and over in this forum, when people choose not to be open, you just cant see it, all you can think of is scam, hoax, lies....

Oh by the way, do post what your lectucturer says ( not that Im going to change my mind because of your lecturer, because in my life, I have even see an "expert"/"specialist" who says, IM SORRY, I DONT KNOW WHAT IS WRONG WITH YOUR PARENT. I SUGGEST YOU GO TO CONSULT OTHER DOCTOR" ) - you ? nah, you dont have to say what you have seen or study, not worth to mention wink.gif

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hehe,

Davidlynn, I'm so gonna pick one of ur most interesting twisted article/journal to be used in my coming critical appraisal smile.gif Gotta read from the start sometimes later. Let's see what's the lecturer gonna comment about the articles/research papers you posted.
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David_lynn,

From what I can conclude, you do know much about HIV and AIDS. However, your idea that modern medical science is a joke and should not be trusted is somewhat appalling. That's what I understand after reading your posts anyway. If you belief that modern science is fake, what methods are you going to use to refute the evidence.... modern science? And if you don't belief in modern science, what do you belief in??? It is your right to belief what you want but I just want to understand this fundamental issue first before we go into any debate.

Modern medical science is not exact science. It is not as simple as black and white or 1,2,3 but unfortunately includes shades of grey. The reason? Man has progress far in terms of medical science but unfortunately, there are still A LOT of things man do not understand.

And I just don't understand your example of H1N1 vaccination and vitamin C..... most laymen are aware about vitamin C and infection. What's your point?


QUOTE(david_lynn @ Aug 9 2009, 10:51 AM)
you think Im scared ?  laugh.gif

and even worst you are asking your lecturer whose knowledge is also based on modern medical science ? (im not sure, maybe he might know something about natural health, that is fine...then he has the story to both side, which should be the way)

as for you, it's ok, you can laugh, comment or write anything you want, cause it is useless to discuss these things with you. Sometimes, you have to EXPERIENCE it, then ONLY you know what Im talking about. This kind of things arent that straight forward as you might think, and Im not saying this to protect myself, but it is indeed the truth. The modern medical science has managed to confuse a lot of people, and blame or equate the natural/alternative healings as a scam or hoax. The first condition to treat s sick/ill person is do not harm the body, yet modern medical science has violated that condition long time ago, this is very obvious in cancer, yet people(without using their brain) keep debating(without seeing the other side's opinion) as if they are preaching the gospel, UNKNOWN that many have died because they DECIDED to go to modern medical science for treatment  wink.gif

again, there's no point to argue with you(or the others), because I know where you are because I used to think like the majority. I really thank God that He opens my eyes of the evil people in this world who are so good at manipulating and lying, masking the marketing plan as the solution of scientific medicine for their own profits. Please, dont go on joking saying this is a conspiracy...LOL, when you cant see it, you just cant. Bear in mind, health is yours not mine, so if anyone of the people sort of threaten me that if there's no evidence, they wont believe...which is fine to me LOL.

As usual, one of my relatives recently just take a shot for the H1N1, and (why am I not surprised ) he was sick, vomit, fever and feel painful. Again, this doesnt happens to everyone, but this clearly indicates to me, something inside the vaccines(which we dont know) is trying to hijack our body system, yet our body is fighting against it, until I gave him Vit C(from natural resources such as beta carotene, ascorbic acid)...then was his condition getting better. He thinks Im losing my mind...but after that incident, now he starts to dig deep into reading unbiased studies, natural food, PH status. As I said over and over in this forum, when people choose not to be open, you just cant see it, all you can think of is scam, hoax, lies....

Oh by the way, do post what your lectucturer says ( not that Im going to change my mind because of your lecturer, because in my life, I have even see an "expert"/"specialist" who says, IM SORRY, I DONT KNOW WHAT IS WRONG WITH YOUR PARENT. I SUGGEST YOU GO TO CONSULT OTHER DOCTOR" ) - you ? nah, you dont have to say what you have seen or study, not worth to mention  wink.gif
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hey kmarc,

no problem man, let me just explain our gaps, but i dont assume myself as have a great knowledge BUT everyday is a constant learning process. remember to be always open minded...

However, your idea that modern medical science is a joke and should not be trusted is somewhat appalling >>> if it is for acute or emergency illnesses like fever, cut/burns, labour, it is of course hospitals are the best place to treat such conditions which is very obvious to the eyes. If untreated, it will do more harm than good in SUCH SITUATION.

However, in terms of chronic illnesses, like cancer(there's actually various types of cancers, lymphoma, sarcoma...), heart problems, organ dysfuntion, it is best to understand that such conditions happens after years and years of human consumption of unwanted processed foods which contains chemicals we dont even know, and drugs(although have certain functions but it is still chemicals for borh recreational and medicinal), negative human emotions, poor environment and unhealthy lifestyle. So, it is very wrong for people to assume that drugs can be the solution, because drugs intention is to kill the cancer cells BUT it comes with a price, because drugs are artificial things, and our bodies are natural organs, that has biological functions. Therefore there will be side effects. That is why majority of people who goes to ONLY chemotherapies either die or if they survive, the cancer comes back. WHY ? because the drugs dont solve the ROOT CAUSE. It delays the symptoms. However, if one decided to change the lifestyle to eating natural or raw foods(let food be your medicine) and stop all the FEAR MONGERING things, I sincerely believe the cancer cant survive any longer because we have created an unsuitable environment for the cancer cells, and therefore, the cancer cells have to shrink to very very small percentage called as undetectable in the cancer marker test, everyone has cancer cells. Our public's negativity has bring the fall of our own. We need to be as positive as ever...

for HIV=AIDS case, I believe you can actually study my questions that I have posed on another forum, and more importantly, watch the movie(if it is available in Malaysia, which I doubt) called House of Numbers. Then you tell me which part of the science has progress wink.gif I find it very hard to swallow some things that the modern medical science have decided to CURSE the people diagnosed as positive, and of course the people, out of ignorant, choose to discriminate those people. Each and every year, what profesor Duesberg has said in the 80s has come true...and how the world ridicule what Africa's President Mbeki said, also has come true. The evidence how HIV can cause the fall of the immune system is not being documented. Just go and ponder on the questions I ask, because if you said that THERE ARE STILL MANY THINGS THAT THE HUMAN DONT KNOW, how come the modern medical science can know if THE HIV+ people dont take the medication, they can die in 10 years time ???? there are obviously people who reject the medication lives up to 20 years and still living. WHY DOES THE DEFINITION OF ILLNESSES(for AIDS) KEEPS INCREASING ??? I find it very uncommon for a "virus" can create more illnesses as times progresses. It seems like anything that is unsolved, the modern medical science like to dump it as a "virus" issue.

if i were to choose between cancer and HIV=AIDS, cancer is still more dangerous than HIV=AIDS. But more importantly, the drugs is not your saviour. We are only being told by "doctors" that those drugs are the ONLY solution, is it the truth ?

That's what I understand after reading your posts anyway. If you belief that modern science is fake, what methods are you going to use to refute the evidence.... modern science? >>> I dont have to refute at all. This whole mess is "introduce" by your modern medical science, it is them who needs to realize that they are wrong. BUT, I dont see any such sign so far. If this happens, the pharmaceutical companies will have to go bankrupt, and they will do anything to make sure anyone who can affect theor profits be eliminated. Sad, shocking, but you dont see it cool2.gif


And if you don't belief in modern science, what do you belief in??? >>> it's in my postings, you will find it. I dont believe in drugs.

Modern medical science is not exact science. It is not as simple as black and white or 1,2,3 but unfortunately includes shades of grey. >>> I agree with you. BUT it is the grey area that they propose to the community DRUGS is the only solution, and claiming how people will die in such period of time. Come to think of it, dont you think they make themselves as God ?

And I just don't understand your example of H1N1 vaccination and vitamin C..... most laymen are aware about vitamin C and infection. What's your point? >>> sorry, the sentence might confuse you. What I meant is the we dont really know how far these vaccinations can protect us, however, injecting something foreign to our body isnt a good choice because we dont even know the ingredients used in those vaccines. Sometimes, they may contain mercury, lead or other dangerous things which we dont know, OR even certain types of "virus" that really has been created, we dont know. Vit C is a natural detoxifier, it can neutralize certain dangerous things that is not of benefit to our body. But the Vit C must be taken from natural resources, usually fruits and not chemicals ( yes, it can be easily bought from the pharmacy ) Herbs can also be beneficial to us as well....my point is anything that is from nature they are good for us.

no, I dont want to debate, because it's just no use at all. My friend, go to all the website I have posted and read them, and if you really are interested in vaccinations, HIV, you NEED to read the work of Janine Roberts, in the book Fear Of The Invisible...the investigation she started in 1994, and YES, inside the book there are concrete evidence the person who introduces HIV as the cause of AIDS, might be a big mistake afterall....after 25 years and growing.


QUOTE(kmarc @ Aug 9 2009, 12:22 AM)
David_lynn,

From what I can conclude, you do know much about HIV and AIDS. However, your idea that modern medical science is a joke and should not be trusted is somewhat appalling. That's what I understand after reading your posts anyway. If you belief that modern science is fake, what methods are you going to use to refute the evidence.... modern science? And if you don't belief in modern science, what do you belief in??? It is your right to belief what you want but I just want to understand this fundamental issue first before we go into any debate.

Modern medical science is not exact science. It is not as simple as black and white or 1,2,3 but unfortunately includes shades of grey. The reason? Man has progress far in terms of medical science but unfortunately, there are still A LOT of things man do not understand.

And I just don't understand your example of H1N1 vaccination and vitamin C..... most laymen are aware about vitamin C and infection. What's your point?
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QUOTE(david_lynn @ Aug 9 2009, 06:07 PM)
hey kmarc,

no problem man, let me just explain our gaps, but i dont assume myself as have a great knowledge BUT everyday is a constant learning process. remember to be always open minded...

However, your idea that modern medical science is a joke and should not be trusted is somewhat appalling >>> if it is for acute or emergency illnesses like fever, cut/burns, labour, it is of course hospitals are the best place to treat such conditions which is very obvious to the eyes. If untreated, it will do more harm than good in SUCH SITUATION.


That would be a contradiction, wouldn't it? Both acute medicine, chronic medicine or whatever branch of medicine goes hand in hand - all have progressed a long way to become what is known as modern medical science. You just can't separately say that acute illnesses are effectively treated by modern science while other illnesses are not! Most treatment options nowadays are based on the same research/study methodology and statistical analysis.

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However, in terms of chronic illnesses, like cancer(there's actually various types of cancers, lymphoma, sarcoma...), heart problems, organ dysfuntion, it is best to understand that such conditions happens after years and years of human consumption of unwanted processed foods which contains chemicals we dont even know, and drugs(although have certain functions but it is still chemicals for borh recreational and medicinal), negative human emotions, poor environment and unhealthy lifestyle. So, it is very wrong for people to assume that drugs can be the solution, because drugs intention is to kill the cancer cells BUT it comes with a price, because drugs are artificial things, and our bodies are natural organs, that has biological functions. Therefore there will be side effects. That is why majority of people who goes to ONLY chemotherapies either die or if they survive, the cancer comes back. WHY ? because the drugs dont solve the ROOT CAUSE. It delays the symptoms. However, if one decided to change the lifestyle to eating natural or raw foods(let food be your medicine) and stop all the FEAR MONGERING things, I sincerely believe the cancer cant survive any longer because we have created an unsuitable environment for the cancer cells, and therefore, the cancer cells have to shrink to very very small percentage called as undetectable in the cancer marker test, everyone has cancer cells. Our public's negativity has bring the fall of our own. We need to be as positive as ever... 


I fully agree with you that a healthy lifestyle does reduce illnesses. Here's the example that you gave:
1) Human consumption of unwanted processed foods which contains unknown chemicals
2) Eating natural or raw food

You have to realize that most food nowadays are either processed or treated. How can an average working man find the food that you describe - natural or raw, unprocessed and untreated? Even the vegetables that you eat everyday has chemicals sprayed on them. Unless, of course, you're talking about organic food, which is not readily available and cost more than an average man can afford!!!

3) Negative human emotions

Again, I have no doubt that negative human emotions can be detrimental. However, nobody can 100% control their emotions to make sure they are 100% positive!!! Well, maybe if you're a vulcan.......

4) Poor environment

Malaysia is now shrouded in thick haze. How to avoid?

In the end, what I'm trying to say is that maintaining a healthy lifestyle is crucial for health but there are factors that are unavoidable, however hard you try to avoid it.

As for cancer, know that modern scientist and researchers have not yet fully understood the nature of cancer!!! However, they have come a long way in TRYING to understand it! If cancer was fully understood, then you would have a cure. When something is not well understood, naturally, the drugs or treatment options used to treat the illness would not be very effective.

Another example is the drugs used to treat your common hypertension (high blood pressure). Do you realize that the multitude of drugs used to treat the blood pressure that is high and not address the root cause? The drugs mainly act in reducing the blood pressure. Why so? Because nobody has identified the root cause of the disease!!! If so, does that mean that hypertensive patients don't take their medication?

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for HIV=AIDS case, I believe you can actually study my questions that I have posed on another forum, and more importantly, watch the movie(if it is available in Malaysia, which I doubt) called House of Numbers. Then you tell me which part of the science has progress  wink.gif I find it very hard to swallow some things that the modern medical science have decided to CURSE the people diagnosed as positive, and of course the people, out of ignorant, choose to discriminate those people. Each and every year, what profesor Duesberg has said in the 80s has come true...and how the world ridicule what Africa's President Mbeki said, also has come true. The evidence how HIV can cause the fall of the immune system is not being documented. Just go and ponder on the questions I ask, because if you said that THERE ARE STILL MANY THINGS THAT THE HUMAN DONT KNOW, how come the modern medical science can know if THE HIV+ people dont take the medication, they can die in 10 years time ???? there are obviously people who reject the medication lives up to 20 years and still living. WHY DOES THE DEFINITION OF ILLNESSES(for AIDS) KEEPS INCREASING ??? I find it very uncommon for a "virus" can create more illnesses as times progresses. It seems like anything that is unsolved, the modern medical science like to dump it as a "virus" issue.
Regarding HIV/AIDS, do you know that there are still no cure for a viral infection? Why do you have antibiotics for bacterial infection but no effective drug for viral infection? Again, it is because medical science has not progressed that far to understand and combat viral infections.

Again, I ask you. If you do not believe in modern medical science, what do you belief in? I do hope that what you belief in has concrete evidence from whatever research methodology that it came from.

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if i were to choose between cancer and HIV=AIDS, cancer is still more dangerous than HIV=AIDS. But more importantly, the drugs is not your saviour. We are only being told by "doctors" that those drugs are the ONLY solution, is it the truth ?
Drugs are NOT the solution. It is one of the available methods to treat a condition based on how much researchers understand it! Again, just to stress that there are many things still NOT understood!

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That's what I understand after reading your posts anyway. If you belief that modern science is fake, what methods are you going to use to refute the evidence.... modern science? >>> I dont have to refute at all. This whole mess is "introduce" by your modern medical science, it is them who needs to realize that they are wrong. BUT, I dont see any such sign so far. If this happens, the pharmaceutical companies will have to go bankrupt, and they will do anything to make sure anyone who can affect theor profits be eliminated. Sad, shocking, but you dont see it  cool2.gif
And if you don't belief in modern science, what do you belief in??? >>> it's in my postings, you will find it. I dont believe in drugs.

Modern medical science is not exact science. It is not as simple as black and white or 1,2,3 but unfortunately includes shades of grey. >>> I agree with you. BUT it is the grey area that they propose to the community DRUGS is the only solution, and claiming how people will die in such period of time. Come to think of it, dont you think they make themselves as God ?

And I just don't understand your example of H1N1 vaccination and vitamin C..... most laymen are aware about vitamin C and infection. What's your point? >>> sorry, the sentence might confuse you. What I meant is the we dont really know how far these vaccinations can protect us, however, injecting something foreign to our body isnt a good choice because we dont even know the ingredients used in those vaccines. Sometimes, they may contain mercury, lead or other dangerous things which we dont know, OR even certain types of "virus" that really has been created, we dont know. Vit C is a natural detoxifier, it can neutralize certain dangerous things that is not of benefit to our body. But the Vit C must be taken from natural resources, usually fruits and not chemicals ( yes, it can be easily bought from the pharmacy ) Herbs can also be beneficial to us as well....my point is anything that is from nature they are good for us.

no, I dont want to debate, because it's just no use at all. My friend, go to all the website I have posted and read them, and if you really are interested in vaccinations, HIV, you NEED to read the work of Janine Roberts, in the book Fear Of The Invisible...the investigation she started in 1994, and YES, inside the book there are concrete evidence the person who introduces HIV as the cause of AIDS, might be a big mistake afterall....after 25 years and growing.
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So, does that mean that there no means to confirm or refute modern science? You state yourself that "This whole mess is "introduced" by your modern medical science, it is them who needs to realize that they are wrong". In order to realize that something is wrong, there has to be "evidence" to show that it is wrong! Nobody would challenge something if it is proven wrong. Classic example, all humans previously thought that the sun revolves around our earth, only to be proved wrong later on that it was earth that revolves around the sun.

In conclusion, what I'm trying to say is that we have come a long way in terms of medical sciences. However, there are still a lot of research to be done before we can fully understand the human body. Scientist do not fully understand the human body and as such, do not have effective drugs to cure many diseases. Modern science has come to a stage where the MANIFESTATION of diseases can be treated but NOT the ROOT CAUSE of diseases. As time goes by, another medical breakthrough occurs, to progress medical science further and better. Who knows, it may take another 1000 years before humans can fully understand their own body. In the meantime, we can only make do with what we have, as we understand it. wink.gif

P/s : Humans are not that gullible. Show clear reproducible evidence to proof something wrong and everybody will believe it.

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firstly, Im not going to start a debate with you, but somehow I think you misinterpret some of my points.

That would be a contradiction, wouldn't it? >>>NO.

Both acute medicine, chronic medicine or whatever branch of medicine goes hand in hand - all have progressed a long way to become what is known as modern medical science. >>> the medicine, though is from the same technology or concept, but the LEVEL OF TOXICITY is different. Why not you try giving a person who has heart problems nevirapine and a cancer person a drug called vioxx. It might sound silly, but that's what you have explained. If you dont know, unlike allopathic, the treatment is a holistic treatment, which means everything is connected, however in modern medical science, they drugs are intended to action to ONLY specific issues.

You have to realize that most food nowadays are either processed or treated. >>> that depends on where you live, either urban or rural area.

How can an average working man find the food that you describe - natural or raw, unprocessed and untreated?>> Why not ? example, drinking carrot juice ? Hello ????

Even the vegetables that you eat everyday has chemicals sprayed on them. Unless, of course, you're talking about organic food, which is not readily available and cost more than an average man can afford!!! >>> yes, unfortunately. Organic food is more costly, but that doesnt mean you cant wash away the pesticides ???? come on, you need to do your research, seriously you cant be expecting me to give you more information and debate more with you, right ?

However, nobody can 100% control their emotions to make sure they are 100% positive!!! Well, maybe if you're a vulcan.......>>> well, I didnt say 100%, but at least you can change the environment. You know that people cant change, why not YOU change ? as easy as that...nobody says it's easy, definately not me. But if you dont change and keep thinking in negative like the majority of public who likes to live in FEAR, you know your immune system will go down. There's always hope...

Malaysia is now shrouded in thick haze. How to avoid? >>> of course this is something seasonal or happen over a period of time, you cant take such issues and take it as an excuse to say to yourself it's better to die than to live, looking at such ad-hoc situation. anyway, our world is getting sicker and sicker because of pollution and yes, the modern medical science prefers to push it to "virus". and you will also notice, if you live in a thick haze area, suddenly you will have symptoms like "H1N1", as your lungs is really actively detoxifying the particles.

In the end, what I'm trying to say is that maintaining a healthy lifestyle is crucial for health but there are factors that are unavoidable, however hard you try to avoid it. >>> by practising healthy lifestyle, your sustainability is much better. how many factors are you talking about then ? blink.gif


However, they have come a long way in TRYING to understand it! If cancer was fully understood, then you would have a cure >>> LOL, kmarc, if you think modern medical science offers you a cure, im afraid you are in a delusional state. Im going to say to you for one last time, there are people who take enough nutritions and raw foods and worry less who are cure from cancer stage 4. The modern medical science "promise" that the cure for cancer will be found in 10 years time, now, it has been 15 years ??? what happen ? I thought those are briliant scientists ?

But, how come those who takes natural food can be healed ? and the more relevant question is is the SCIENCE used in modern medical science THE CORRECT ONE ? wink.gif

Another example is the drugs used to treat your common hypertension (high blood pressure). Do you realize that the multitude of drugs used to treat the blood pressure that is high and not address the root cause? The drugs mainly act in reducing the blood pressure. Why so? Because nobody has identified the root cause of the disease!!! >>> Why are you telling me these ? Tell this to the modern medical science. It's a surprise you know modern medical science dont treat the root cause, as what I have said in my past reply doh.gif

Regarding HIV/AIDS, do you know that there are still no cure for a viral infection? >>> that is in the world of modern medical science. They reject other views and prohibit other views to be known to the public.
Why do you have antibiotics for bacterial infection but no effective drug for viral infection? Again, it is because medical science has not progressed that far to understand and combat viral infections. >>> Please, please, please, please, please, please, please....read Janine Robert's book called Fear Of The Invisible before you start the virus conversation, enuff! By the way, please read my last post about this topic...look for whatever evidence you want, BUT also think about the critical questions that are being asked.

Again, I ask you. If you do not believe in modern medical science, what do you belief in? I do hope that what you belief in has concrete evidence from whatever research methodology that it came from. >>> Dont you worry about that wink.gif Modenr medical science can give you thousands and thousand of "statistical" success, but when it comes to reality, Im not sure how successful they are.

It is one of the available methods to treat a condition based on how much researchers understand it! >>> well, as I said it before, it depends on the person of that researcher is. again, this is also involves money as well. Imagine, if the company's researches (pharmaceutical )manage to find a cure, dont you think they will run out of business ? Instead, why not find something that doesnt cure BUT can supress the symptoms ? so that they can take it over and over again for the rest of the lives ? ( oh nvm, this part is very complicated to explain anyway)

So, does that mean that there no means to confirm or refute modern science? You state yourself that "This whole mess is "introduced" by your modern medical science, it is them who needs to realize that they are wrong". In order to realize that something is wrong, there has to be "evidence" to show that it is wrong! >>> Hello ? Did it ever incur to you how come some people who changes their lifestyle(as what I have said), and treat the body with optimal vitamins or herbs are cured while those who went to chemotherapies or radiation or whatever procedure from them died ? I encourage you to watch "Farrah's Story" sincerely from my heart. It is available online...observe what the procedure has done to her and her body.
Remember, the drugs killed her more faster than the cancer killed her, and at the end of the film, she asked a question(to her country's Health minister I believe), why does our country dont implement alternatives treatment which has been proven to be successful in other countries ? as I said, there's no point I argue with you here when you dont experience it yourself....really, there's no point.

Classic example, all humans previously thought that the sun revolves around our earth, only to be proved wrong later on that it was earth that revolves around the sun. >>> which is why everyone need to be open minded.

In conclusion, what I'm trying to say is that we have come a long way in terms of medical sciences. However, there are still a lot of research to be done before we can fully understand the human body. Scientist do not fully understand the human body and as such, do not have effective drugs to cure many diseases. Modern science has come to a stage where the MANIFESTATION of diseases can be treated but NOT the ROOT CAUSE of diseases. As time goes by, another medical breakthrough occurs, to progress medical science further and better. Who knows, it may take another 1000 years before humans can fully understand their own body. In the meantime, we can only make do with what we have, as we understand it. wink.gif >>> maybe I think you dont understand, that's why you seem to be contradicting. When drugs are unable to solve the root cause, it doesnt cure a "disease". Besides, drugs are synthetic and our organs are natural/boilogical. Consuming drugs for a long period of time will cause organ failure, a classic example why drugs cant solve any of our body issues. It only cover symptoms.

P/s : Humans are not that gullible. Show clear reproducible evidence to proof something wrong and everybody will believe it. >>> doh.gif just read my previous post to see what I mean by the icon at the beginning of this sentence.

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That would be a contradiction, wouldn't it? Both acute medicine, chronic medicine or whatever branch of medicine goes hand in hand - all have progressed a long way to become what is known as modern medical science. You just can't separately say that acute illnesses are effectively treated by modern science while other illnesses are not! Most treatment options nowadays are based on the same research/study methodology and statistical analysis.
I fully agree with you that a healthy lifestyle does reduce illnesses. Here's the example that you gave:
1) Human consumption of unwanted processed foods which contains unknown chemicals
2) Eating natural or raw food

You have to realize that most food nowadays are either processed or treated. How can an average working man find the food that you describe - natural or raw, unprocessed and untreated? Even the vegetables that you eat everyday has chemicals sprayed on them. Unless, of course, you're talking about organic food, which is not readily available and cost more than an average man can afford!!!

3) Negative human emotions

Again, I have no doubt that negative human emotions can be detrimental. However, nobody can 100% control their emotions to make sure they are 100% positive!!! Well, maybe if you're a vulcan.......

4) Poor environment

Malaysia is now shrouded in thick haze. How to avoid?

In the end, what I'm trying to say is that maintaining a healthy lifestyle is crucial for health but there are factors that are unavoidable, however hard you try to avoid it.

As for cancer, know that modern scientist and researchers have not yet fully understood the nature of cancer!!! However, they have come a long way in TRYING to understand it! If cancer was fully understood, then you would have a cure. When something is not well understood, naturally, the drugs or treatment options used to treat the illness would not be very effective.

Another example is the drugs used to treat your common hypertension (high blood pressure). Do you realize that the multitude of drugs used to treat the blood pressure that is high and not address the root cause? The drugs mainly act in reducing the blood pressure. Why so? Because nobody has identified the root cause of the disease!!! If so, does that mean that hypertensive patients don't take their medication?
Regarding HIV/AIDS, do you know that there are still no cure for a viral infection? Why do you have antibiotics for bacterial infection but no effective drug for viral infection? Again, it is because medical science has not progressed that far to understand and combat viral infections.

Again, I ask you. If you do not believe in modern medical science, what do you belief in? I do hope that what you belief in has concrete evidence from whatever research methodology that it came from.
Drugs are NOT the solution. It is one of the available methods to treat a condition based on how much researchers understand it! Again, just to stress that there are many things still NOT understood!
So, does that mean that there no means to confirm or refute modern science? You state yourself that "This whole mess is "introduced" by your modern medical science, it is them who needs to realize that they are wrong". In order to realize that something is wrong, there has to be "evidence" to show that it is wrong! Nobody would challenge something if it is proven wrong. Classic example, all humans previously thought that the sun revolves around our earth, only to be proved wrong later on that it was earth that revolves around the sun.

In conclusion, what I'm trying to say is that we have come a long way in terms of medical sciences. However, there are still a lot of research to be done before we can fully understand the human body. Scientist do not fully understand the human body and as such, do not have effective drugs to cure many diseases. Modern science has come to a stage where the MANIFESTATION of diseases can be treated but NOT the ROOT CAUSE of diseases.  As time goes by, another medical breakthrough occurs, to progress medical science further and better. Who knows, it may take another 1000 years before humans can fully understand their own body. In the meantime, we can only make do with what we have, as we understand it. wink.gif

P/s : Humans are not that gullible. Show clear reproducible evidence to proof something wrong and everybody will believe it.
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Now, you don't have to get all worked up la. As initially suspected, this is going nowhere so I'll stop here.

I think what you believe in is alternative/complementary medicine? hmm.gif
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yup, alternative/natural medicine...actually, did you know that the food you eat can either be your medicine or kill you ?

modern medical science always thinks they are right in most of the thing, but believe me, they see all the things wrong. They use FEAR to make people feel that there's no other choices, they will die quickly if they dont use modern medical science way and that after using it, patient can expect a partial or full recovery. They always advertise, through ministry of health or the authority that other treatment besides modern medical science are quackery, but they dont aware themselves, it is modern medical science that have lead many people to die(always providing excuses that they have save many lives)....and STILL, many people trust the modern medical science, with all it's SCIENTIFIC RESEARCH...and to declare a simple equation HIV=AIDS=DEATH is very immature of modern medical science.

Alternative medicine/naturopathic is all about holistic treatment, if you have an issue, it involves all your body, not just specific area. and these treatment is not dangerous for your body, because if your body suffers a lot, then your body will signal to you that it's time to end the pain and sufferings, especially when it gets more and more painful, then slowly you dont have energy, and when FEAR grabs you, your soul/spirit will have to leave your body. That is why the modern medical science is not in accordance to the Christian way of healing. It is a sin to torture the wonderful body created by God with chemicals that are dangerous by itself.

I tell you frankly, while many people are expecting a magic formula or bullet, you wont find it. It take years to develop cancer, and yet many expect to take the medication and be healed in 6 months time ? laugh.gif

all you need to do is change your lifestyle, while treating it with herbs(herbalogy) or nutrition, both are subset under naturopathic medical knowledge. of course there will be some party that decides to cheat people, and that is why herbs and nutritions are much fear off by the public because of this certain bad party experience.

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Now, you don't have to get all worked up la. As initially suspected, this is going nowhere so I'll stop here.

I think what you believe in is alternative/complementary medicine?  hmm.gif
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all you need to do is change your lifestyle, while treating it with herbs(herbalogy) or nutrition, both are subset under naturopathic medical knowledge. of course there will be some party that decides to cheat people, and that is why herbs and nutritions are much fear off by the public because of this certain bad party experience.
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How do I know I will be cured by consuming or applying those herbs? How do I know which herbs to use for which problem?
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QUOTE(david_lynn @ Aug 11 2009, 09:02 AM)
yup, alternative/natural medicine...actually, did you know that the food you eat can either be your medicine or kill you ?

modern medical science always thinks they are right in most of the thing, but believe me, they see all the things wrong. They use FEAR to make people feel that there's no other choices, they will die quickly if they dont use modern medical science way and that after using it, patient can expect a partial or full recovery. They always advertise, through ministry of health or the authority that other treatment besides modern medical science are quackery, but they dont aware themselves, it is modern medical science that have lead many people to die(always providing excuses that they have save many lives)....and STILL, many people trust the modern medical science, with all it's SCIENTIFIC RESEARCH...and to declare a simple equation HIV=AIDS=DEATH is very immature of modern medical science.

Alternative medicine/naturopathic is all about holistic treatment, if you have an issue, it involves all your body, not just specific area. and these treatment is not dangerous for your body, because if your body suffers a lot, then your body will signal to you that it's time to end the pain and sufferings, especially when it gets more and more painful, then slowly you dont have energy, and when FEAR grabs you, your soul/spirit will have to leave your body. That is why the modern medical science is not in accordance to the Christian way of healing. It is a sin to torture the wonderful body created by God with chemicals that are dangerous by itself.

I tell you frankly, while many people are expecting a magic formula or bullet, you wont find it. It take years to develop cancer, and yet many expect to take the medication and be healed in 6 months time ?  laugh.gif

all you need to do is change your lifestyle, while treating it with herbs(herbalogy) or nutrition, both are subset under naturopathic medical knowledge. of course there will be some party that decides to cheat people, and that is why herbs and nutritions are much fear off by the public because of this certain bad party experience.
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You can't make sweeping generalization that modern medical science is so-call "EVIL". There are researchers with genuine intention to solve the mystery of the human body. Granted that there are those who doesn't think that way but they are not the majority.

Again, no researcher/scientist/doctor in his right mind would say that alternative treatments are quackery. However, many alternative treatments do not have any good data to show that it works. Anybody can claim that taking Vitamin C 10,000mg a day can cure cancer but are you going to believe it? I can claim that 3 cancer patients took 10 watermelons a day for 1 year and they were cured. Or somebody know of a person who never had any chronic diseases because he took 1 gallon of honey everyday until he died. Where's the evidence? A few isolated "miracle" doesn't mean that method works. If there are convincingly reproducible evidence that alternative medicine works, do you think the scientific community will ignore it?

Can you give me a few examples of alternative medicine that works but largely ignored by modern medical science? Make sure it is backed by clear reproducible evidence and not heresay or isolated cases.

Again, I have no quarrel with changing your lifestyle and leading a healthy lifestyle. wink.gif



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mumiechan,

nobody ask you to be your own expert. There are people who are studying herbalogy, means they really study the functions of the herbs available, usually in china. There's also ayurvedic, the India's version of herbalogy. But bear in mind that the effects are very very slow, because usually herbs are healing slowly.

QUOTE(mumeichan @ Aug 10 2009, 10:07 PM)
How do I know I will be cured by consuming or applying those herbs? How do I know which herbs to use for which problem?
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Added on August 11, 2009, 2:57 pmi didnt say that everyone prqactising modern medical science is evil, it is your assumption.

Granted that there are those who doesn't think that way but they are not the majority. >>> if they follow the right way, Im sure their positions will need to be filled by another person wink.gif

However, many alternative treatments do not have any good data to show that it works. Anybody can claim that taking Vitamin C 10,000mg a day can cure cancer but are you going to believe it? I can claim that 3 cancer patients took 10 watermelons a day for 1 year and they were cured. Or somebody know of a person who never had any chronic diseases because he took 1 gallon of honey everyday until he died. Where's the evidence? A few isolated "miracle" doesn't mean that method works. If there are convincingly reproducible evidence that alternative medicine works, do you think the scientific community will ignore it? >>> Im not going to spend more time with you on this anymore, the more I explain, the more excuses will come out. To me, the evidence is in the people who got healed, NOT THE STATISTIC THAT IS BEING SHOWN TO THE PUBLIC THAT SAYS MODERN MEDICAL SCIENCE HAS ACHIEVED ANOTHER MIRACLE DRUG. As I said over and over again, if you or your loved ones dont experience it, you will never understand what Im trying to tell you...because all my important points are inside all my past replies. At this point of time, I doubt you will ever understand it anymore. You, unfortunately have to understand it the hard way, many paid with their own lives.

anyway, since you are in Malaysia, attached is one of websites about alternative medicine :

http://www.natural-health.com.my/content.php?cat=34

remember, this is a real person. after you have read the website, try to screen through all that Ive said..and even then, you might not understand what Ive said....but if you do, that would be the most precious realization you will ever have.

QUOTE(kmarc @ Aug 11 2009, 12:01 AM)
You can't make sweeping generalization that modern medical science is so-call "EVIL". There are researchers with genuine intention to solve the mystery of the human body. Granted that there are those who doesn't think that way but they are not the majority.

Again, no researcher/scientist/doctor in his right mind would say that alternative treatments are quackery. However, many alternative treatments do not have any good data to show that it works. Anybody can claim that taking Vitamin C 10,000mg a day can cure cancer but are you going to believe it? I can claim that 3 cancer patients took 10 watermelons a day for 1 year and they were cured. Or somebody know of a person who never had any chronic diseases because he took 1 gallon of honey everyday until he died. Where's the evidence? A few isolated "miracle" doesn't mean that method works. If there are convincingly reproducible evidence that alternative medicine works, do you think the scientific community will ignore it?

Can you give me a few examples of alternative medicine that works but largely ignored by modern medical science? Make sure it is backed by clear reproducible evidence and not heresay or isolated cases.

Again, I have no quarrel with changing your lifestyle and leading a healthy lifestyle. wink.gif
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mumiechan,

nobody ask you to be your own expert. There are people who are studying herbalogy, means they really study the functions of the herbs available, usually in china. There's also ayurvedic, the India's version of herbalogy. But bear in mind that the effects are very very slow, because usually herbs are healing slowly.
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I see. Could you recommend some books or websites dealing with herbalogy, ayurvedic and others, esp regarding STDs since this is what this thread's all about.
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since you said it is websites, gooogle for them.

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I see. Could you recommend some books or websites dealing with herbalogy, ayurvedic and others, esp regarding STDs since this is what this thread's all about.
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Im not going to spend more time with you on this anymore, the more I explain, the more excuses will come out. To me, the evidence is in the people who got healed, NOT THE STATISTIC THAT IS BEING SHOWN TO THE PUBLIC THAT SAYS MODERN MEDICAL SCIENCE HAS ACHIEVED ANOTHER MIRACLE DRUG. As I said over and over again, if you or your loved ones dont experience it, you will never understand what Im trying to tell you...because all my important points are inside all my past replies. At this point of time, I doubt you will ever understand it anymore. You, unfortunately have to understand it the hard way, many paid with their own lives.

anyway, since you are in Malaysia, attached is one of websites about alternative medicine :

http://www.natural-health.com.my/content.php?cat=34

remember, this is a real person. after you have read the website, try to screen through all that Ive said..and even then, you might not understand what Ive said....but if you do, that would be the most precious realization you will ever have.
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It is not a matter of whether I understand or not. What matters is, how can people realize that alternative medicine is good IF it CANNOT reproduce the results of a treatment convincingly? Like I said, isolated cases of "cure" doesn't proof anything. It could have been a random event that happened even without treatment. And if clear reproducible evidence can't be shown, how do you know which treatment is effective and which is not?

Furthermore, your argument that the evidence is in the people who got healed is also "weak". Reason? Modern medicine also had many patients who got healed by modern medical drugs. Do you think if 100 cancer patients were treated with modern medicine, all 100 will die? Of course not. There will be those who survived after treatment. So, if the results are based on patients who got healed, then how do you differentiate and compare alternative medicine to modern medicine in terms of results?

Here's a quote from the website you provided:
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Ideally, all healing sciences should be studied & compared, the best and safest of which should be incorporated into the healing arts. It should be independent of the pharmaceutical industries, so as to avoid medical & business politicking. Unfortunately, this is not so & therefore consumers suffer unnecessarily from a greed-based medical system.
I whole-heartedly agree with the statement. Note the word "studied and compared". Tell me how a healing method should be studied and how can it be compared to other treatments? How? Definitely not on hearsay, isolated stories of "cure" and unproven claims!

Don't get me wrong. I have nothing against alternative medicine. In fact, it would be great news if alternative medicine can help human kind. Before that can happen, like what the quote say, all healing sciences should be studied and compared and the best and safest method should be incorporated. wink.gif

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What matters is, how can people realize that alternative medicine is good IF it CANNOT reproduce the results of a treatment convincingly? >>> hpw you know it cant reproduce results ? HAVE YOU USED IT BEFORE ?

Like I said, isolated cases of "cure" doesn't proof anything >>> why should it be proven to you when you arent ready to believe it ? The proof is in the pudding(provided the medication is by an expert who really knows this treatment), there's no point to proof because if there's 1 point you miss, that is everyone has a different body composition, therefore every solution needs to be one to one basis, unlike allopathic. allopathic is also trial and error, it's just doctors dont say this to you. Usually they will prescribe a drug to you, until at a point of time, it stops working. Then, a more stronger drugs will be prescribed. No matter how much I explain, you still dont get it, that drugs cant cure you, they supress your symptoms so that you dont "see" or "feel" which makes you think everything is ok, but deep down the body, it is starting to grow worst.

Furthermore, your argument that the evidence is in the people who got healed is also "weak". Reason? Modern medicine also had many patients who got healed by modern medical drugs. Do you think if 100 cancer patients were treated with modern medicine, all 100 will die? Of course not. There will be those who survived after treatment. So, if the results are based on patients who got healed, then how do you differentiate and compare alternative medicine to modern medicine in terms of results? >>> How can you do such comparison ? Your comparison is silly, it's like comparing apple with orange. Those that survive usually is because they arent given the high dosage, besides the cancer WILL COME BACK and not to mention all the sufferings a person have to go through. THEY ARE NOT HEALED. Enuff, I dont want to debate with you anymore, as I said before, if you arent aware that many people who believe the chemotherapies died eventually, then Im afraid you are blind. You are the type that are so ignorant that only by showing you CLEARLY in front of you before and after and also documented statistics then will you be convince...but I tell you, just like modern medical science, you dont have common sense. There are so many factors involved in this war on medicine, it is not a straight explanation to you. The public has been covered FEAR until common sense is uncommon anymore...

Don't get me wrong. I have nothing against alternative medicine. In fact, it would be great news if alternative medicine can help human kind. Before that can happen, like what the quote say, all healing sciences should be studied and compared and the best and safest method should be incorporated. wink.gif >>> Whether what your opinion on alternative medicine is none of my business, life is yours anyway. If all the human are like you, study and study and study and do human trial, which takes ages (if you really realized ) then many would have died. China and India people wouldnt survived for thousands and thousand of years if it's not because of the herbs, is there modern medical science their time ? and even with the modern medical science, human lifespan keeps getting shorter. And as stated in the website, when there is a greed in the system, I doubt the system is a good system.

no wonder there are certain people who keep messaging me dont bother with people in here who shoot me down, dont waste my time to keep replying them. Not to be arrogant, but after seeing people with chronic illnesses, and comparing with the results that people being treated in modern medical science, there's no doubt moderrn medical science is a junk science.

kmarc, if you cant rationalize it, you just cant see it, you just cant. The modern medical science is so influential, they have all the money in this world to change your views, to cover failed cases, to cover fatality cases, to create new definition to make people continue to believe what seems to be right, to continue instill fear in people, causing people to discriminate those who are "infected" by the "test" or diagnosis. I know of a doctor(oncologists, cancer expert), she is the best doctor in UK, earning several PHDs, everyone seeks her advise, even UK government. In the end, she quit, burns all her certs...she herself admit that modern medical science CANT cure cancer, they just can only see the patients sufferings, slowly suffering, hair fall down, inject a lot of morphine for the unbearable pain, all the organs slowly start to fail....yet, all she can do is just watch and prescribe drugs...she's a christian by the way. Modern medical science is always give bad news, always without a doubt. and when doctors fail to treat a cancer patient, they start to avoid patient, or either give up hope...

you know kmarc, sometimes I wonder with all the questions you ask, have you really see how a cancer patient treated with chemotherapies look like or suffer ? It seems to me, your world is like a very simple sicentific technologies with evidence-based that can help human kind...stop watching hollywood movies...

Before that can happen, like what the quote say, all healing sciences should be studied and compared and the best and safest method should be incorporated. wink.gif >>> you think modern medical science care about this ? Dont be a fool, if this happens, those who have cancer wont be given chemotherapies or radiation, and those who are "HIV+" wont be given AZT or Nevirapine. It's ironic that this sentence comes out after what you have debated with me...


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It is not a matter of whether I understand or not. What matters is, how can people realize that alternative medicine is good IF it CANNOT reproduce the results of a treatment convincingly? Like I said, isolated cases of "cure" doesn't proof anything. It could have been a random event that happened even without treatment. And if clear reproducible evidence can't be shown, how do you know which treatment is effective and which is not?

Furthermore, your argument that the evidence is in the people who got healed is also "weak". Reason? Modern medicine also had many patients who got healed by modern medical drugs. Do you think if 100 cancer patients were treated with modern medicine, all 100 will die? Of course not. There will be those who survived after treatment. So, if the results are based on patients who got healed, then how do you differentiate and compare alternative medicine to modern medicine in terms of results?

Here's a quote from the website you provided:
I whole-heartedly agree with the statement. Note the word "studied and compared". Tell me how a healing method should be studied and how can it be compared to other treatments? How? Definitely not on hearsay, isolated stories of "cure" and unproven claims!

Don't get me wrong. I have nothing against alternative medicine. In fact, it would be great news if alternative medicine can help human kind. Before that can happen, like what the quote say, all healing sciences should be studied and compared and the best and safest method should be incorporated. wink.gif
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David_lynn,

First of all, you seem to misunderstand everything I write.

Secondly, where in my reply did I ever shoot you down or discredit alternative medicine? Where?

Thirdly, this is getting nowhere. I was interested in your views on alternative/complementary medicine but the way you reply is sometimes defensive and filled with emotion, hatred and accusations.

Fourthly, with regards to your question on whether I have seen cancer patients treated with chemotherapies, I can tell you that I see cancer patients almost everyday for the past >10 years. Many die but many are still alive (and well!), even after 10 over years. And no, I'm no oncologist.

Lastly, thx for labelling me blind, ignorant, narrow minded and irrational (notice that I didn't ever do that to you, I think) wink.gif. What does that say? hmm.gif

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What matters is, how can people realize that alternative medicine is good IF it CANNOT reproduce the results of a treatment convincingly? >>> hpw you know it cant reproduce results ? HAVE YOU USED IT BEFORE ?

Like I said, isolated cases of "cure" doesn't proof anything >>> why should it be proven to you when you arent ready to believe it ? The proof is in the pudding(provided the medication is by an expert who really knows this treatment), there's no point to proof because if there's 1 point you miss, that is everyone has a different body composition, therefore every solution needs to be one to one basis, unlike allopathic. allopathic is also trial and error, it's just doctors dont say this to you. Usually they will prescribe a drug to you, until at a point of time, it stops working. Then, a more stronger drugs will be prescribed. No matter how much I explain, you still dont get it, that drugs cant cure you, they supress your symptoms so that you dont "see" or "feel" which makes you think everything is ok, but deep down the body, it is starting to grow worst.

Furthermore, your argument that the evidence is in the people who got healed is also "weak". Reason? Modern medicine also had many patients who got healed by modern medical drugs. Do you think if 100 cancer patients were treated with modern medicine, all 100 will die? Of course not. There will be those who survived after treatment. So, if the results are based on patients who got healed, then how do you differentiate and compare alternative medicine to modern medicine in terms of results? >>> How can you do such comparison ? Your comparison is silly, it's like comparing apple with orange. Those that survive usually is because they arent given the high dosage, besides the cancer WILL COME BACK and not to mention all the sufferings a person have to go through. THEY ARE NOT HEALED. Enuff, I dont want to debate with you anymore, as I said before, if you arent aware that many people who believe the chemotherapies died eventually, then Im afraid you are blind. You are the type that are so ignorant that only by showing you CLEARLY in front of you before and after and also documented statistics then will you be convince...but I tell you, just like modern medical science, you dont have common sense. There are so many factors involved in this war on medicine, it is not a straight explanation to you. The public has been covered FEAR until common sense is uncommon anymore...

Don't get me wrong. I have nothing against alternative medicine. In fact, it would be great news if alternative medicine can help human kind. Before that can happen, like what the quote say, all healing sciences should be studied and compared and the best and safest method should be incorporated. wink.gif >>> Whether what your opinion on alternative medicine is none of my business, life is yours anyway. If all the human are like you, study and study and study and do human trial, which takes ages (if you really realized ) then many would have died. China and India people wouldnt survived for thousands and thousand of years if it's not because of the herbs, is there modern medical science their time ? and even with the modern medical science, human lifespan keeps getting shorter. And as stated in the website, when there is a greed in the system, I doubt the system is a good system.

no wonder there are certain people who keep messaging me dont bother with people in here who shoot me down, dont waste my time to keep replying them. Not to be arrogant, but after seeing people with chronic illnesses, and comparing with the results that people being treated in modern medical science, there's no doubt moderrn medical science is a junk science.

kmarc, if you cant rationalize it, you just cant see it, you just cant. The modern medical science is so influential, they have all the money in this world to change your views, to cover failed cases, to cover fatality cases, to create new definition to make people continue to believe what seems to be right, to continue instill fear in people, causing people to discriminate those who are "infected" by the "test" or diagnosis. I know of a doctor(oncologists, cancer expert), she is the best doctor in UK, earning several PHDs, everyone seeks her advise, even UK government. In the end, she quit, burns all her certs...she herself admit that modern medical science CANT cure cancer, they just can only see the patients sufferings, slowly suffering, hair fall down, inject a lot of morphine for the unbearable pain, all the organs slowly start to fail....yet, all she can do is just watch and prescribe drugs...she's a christian by the way. Modern medical science is always give bad news, always without a doubt. and when doctors fail to treat a cancer patient, they start to avoid patient, or either give up hope...

you know kmarc, sometimes I wonder with all the questions you ask, have you really see how a cancer patient treated with chemotherapies look like or suffer ? It seems to me, your world is like a very simple sicentific technologies with evidence-based that can help human kind...stop watching hollywood movies...

Before that can happen, like what the quote say, all healing sciences should be studied and compared and the best and safest method should be incorporated. wink.gif >>> you think modern medical science care about this ? Dont be a fool, if this happens, those who have cancer wont be given chemotherapies or radiation, and those who are "HIV+" wont be given AZT or Nevirapine. It's ironic that this sentence comes out after what you have debated with me...
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Hmm~~ i saw david lynn here ~~ no point puttin comment here~~

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David_lynn,

First of all, you seem to misunderstand everything I write. >>> which part ? if I misunderstand, correct it then.

Secondly, where in my reply did I ever shoot you down or discredit alternative medicine? Where? >>> if I did say you specifically, then im sorry, but I believe my reply was intended as the forumers here. Please also point to the part where I discredit you.

Thirdly, this is getting nowhere. I was interested in your views on alternative/complementary medicine but the way you reply is sometimes defensive and filled with emotion, hatred and accusations. >>> I think maybe my sentences may reflect that but certainly I dont filled with emotions(especially hatred), especially when I dont even know you, isnt that correct ?

Fourthly, with regards to your question on whether I have seen cancer patients treated with chemotherapies, I can tell you that I see cancer patients almost everyday for the past >10 years. Many die but many are still alive (and well!), even after 10 over years. And no, I'm no oncologist. >>> Many die but many are still alive (and well!), hhhmmm, I dont see them, so I wouldnt even know their real status. But I do "assume" (since I only hear from your words) that their cancer stage might be not that chronic, especially stage 1, and the less frequency they take the chemotherapies dosage. I do believe they might be changing theor other part of life as well, especially lifestyles....I dont know.

Lastly, thx for labelling me blind, ignorant, narrow minded and irrational (notice that I didn't ever do that to you, I think) wink.gif. What does that say?  hmm.gif >>> can you point out which part that I imply "blind, ignorant, narrow minded and irrational", Im sorry if I did that, but I dotn think that's on purpose... sweat.gif But if you are here to concentrate on commenting more about how emotional my sentences are, then might as well stop this discussion, right ? afterall, everyone here likes to concentrate on that part... wink.gif
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Added on August 12, 2009, 8:58 pmthen why bother to put this comment ? shakehead.gif shakehead.gif

QUOTE(agent man in pain @ Aug 12 2009, 02:47 AM)
Hmm~~ i saw david lynn here ~~ no point puttin comment here~~
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so much to digest before indulging in multiple sex partners...hahahaha
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hhhmmm, multiple sexual partners, isnt a good practise either, unless you are sure they are clean from STDs, which is now renamed to STIs, because it is no longer a disease, but just an infection. to be frank with you, i doubt condom can really prevent STIs, as it's the same as a skin disease, but in a more private area(which is only exposed when there are intimate actions)...it's more of a damp skin disease. But, if we are shy to talk about STI just like any other diseases, then Im afraid this wont solve the issue, instead it would bring the issue to an "underground" stage, due to fear of discrimination....being narrow-minded among the people wont really do the community good, seriously. and promoting HIV as if it is a death sentence is one of those stupidity that people can do to fasten the death of those people somehow infected...

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so much to digest before indulging in multiple sex partners...hahahaha
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so much to digest before indulging in multiple sex partners...hahahaha


prevent better den cure dear wink.gif

digest it full full.. laugh.gif
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well, sex is a something we need. It's just some people dont do it that often, others just have a more higher need. that's all.

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prevent better den cure dear  wink.gif

digest it full full.. laugh.gif
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well, sex is a something we need. It's just some people dont do it that often, others just have a more higher need. that's all.
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Dat simple? Hey u frm mmu?
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simple ? it's more complicated than you think...

yeah, everyone need sex seriously, of course after teenage age please. Sex is something good for us, though doing it at an alarming rate might not be good for men because overuse of energy. Sex is actually an exercise, though many love to joke about it.

it's more like this(yin and yang concept), in a ideal world, men is more into physical while women is more into emotional, though men and women of course have attraction into physical and emotional things as well, but lesser attention. So, that's why men tend to think of sex more. Nothing is wrong with that to be frank, since sex is the one that produces offspring.

But in reality, things dont go that smoothly. In reality, since we are organic matters, there will tend to have lots of variations in life. In reality also, we cant expect every men will love women or vice versa. Human consists of physical body, mind and your soul. That is why some men who are born "physically" men but he got woman's soul/mind, that's why he feels he need to go for sex change operation or dress like a woman and of course choose to live with the same gender, same goes to the woman as well(bear in mind, this is not a life that one person chooses, but it comes as a package in them). That is why gay people are usually sexually active(men are into physical), though not all are like that because there are variations in life. But remember, nobody can see that except God and that person himself/herself. But, we live in a judgemental world. Everyone in this world lives in a world where they think whatever that is "different" from the norm is wrong, and needs to be condemn or punish. Human like to "label" people, discriminate people and "portray" that whatever that is different will be punish by God. BUT, have we ever heard anything from the mouth of God saying that is what He meant ? (not any religious books) Yes, it's true, even before God can judge a person when that person dies, human(out of busybodiness) already start to judge and punish, this including "religious" people....everywhere you go, it's the same. Even better, the modern medical science love to associate diseases with sex. example ? Dont worry, you wont miss it...they are actively promoting how that virus can kill your immune system, when all they do is use FEAR to lead people to believe, and the evidence ? wink.gif

But of course, those who abuses sexual activites also must be controlled(since a person dont know the status of the body health of that person he/she chooses to mix with). But more importantly, it must be controlled in a positive manner, not through rejection and discrimination. Discrimination and rejection is like "sweeping the dirt under the carpet". That's why there are cases where after married for years, suddenly the husband revealed his true self...religion definately cant change that person, only guide him to follow the good route and live with someone he/she is really happy with, not fake make-up just to please the judgemental people.

that is why when our soul is hurt or live in fearful condition, our physical body cant accept any healings, no matter how good that medicine is. It is even worst, when our body needs time to heal, suddenly doctors inject poison into the body. HOW CAN THE BODY HEAL ? Yes, because of FEAR, human suddenly lost the common sense. To be healed, human need to allign the physical body, with their mind and soul...and all the positive things will come eventually.

that is why, when a person chooses not to be open minded, the worst nightmare will definately come. Living in a judgemental world is indeed a very hard thing to do not just for those who are "different" but also "normal" people.

MMU ? Im not that young... icon_rolleyes.gif

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Dat simple? Hey u frm mmu?
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This seems like PHD paper presentation man!!

Someone there, please do not copy and paste the article from somewhere else and claim yours.

Write with summary and info link that feel suitable.
If not this tread is dead of boring
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Someone there, please do not copy and paste the article from somewhere else and claim yours. >>> I dont think it's about getting the "glory" but more to awareness that many people have fallen to, especially the medical.

Write with summary and info link that feel suitable.
If not this tread is dead of boring >>> as what I have did.


QUOTE(d3ga3xx @ Sep 13 2009, 11:43 AM)
This seems like PHD paper presentation man!!

Someone there, please do not copy and paste the article from somewhere else and claim yours.

Write with summary and info link that feel suitable.
If not this tread is dead of boring
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its best to discuss with ur partner 1st about his/her health background before SEX, even future husband/wife. As he/she might already had the disease from previous sex partner.smile.gif
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hi, i would like to ask is there a std that has the symptoms of having the external female genitalia (vulva) area shrink and that it causes some pain and discomfort? i could not find any std that has this description and the closest that i could get was lichen sclerosis.
asking for friend
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wat bout oral?
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Can we just go to any test lab like Path lab, BP....etc for the test?
not just HIV but for all STD?

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QUOTE(mouldybread @ Jan 3 2010, 10:24 PM)
hi, i would like to ask is there a std that has the symptoms of having the external female genitalia (vulva) area shrink and that it causes some pain and discomfort? i could not find any std that has this description and the closest that i could get was lichen sclerosis.
asking for friend
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Doesn't sound like an STD =)
STD are usually diagnosed based on visual.
And..... it's not an option to post a picture of the lesion here in this forum.
Why don't you get a dermatology consult? =)
If it really is lichen sclerosis, you'll get steroid cream to apply locally.
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QUOTE(mouldybread @ Jan 3 2010, 10:24 PM)
hi, i would like to ask is there a std that has the symptoms of having the external female genitalia (vulva) area shrink and that it causes some pain and discomfort? i could not find any std that has this description and the closest that i could get was lichen sclerosis.
asking for friend
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tell your friend to go see a doctor
the sooner the better
scared its a serious problem
who knows
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i suspect i got genital warts on my penis( around the head. something like whitish cauliflower like. any treatment to do in house instead of seeing doctor? how much it cost for the treatment and fees if go to hospital seek for a doctor?
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from what I knew, oral sex is even worse... sweat.gif
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QUOTE(skon9 @ Mar 10 2010, 07:08 PM)
from what I knew, oral sex is even worse... sweat.gif
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WAT!!!??? rclxub.gif
But i love that.....and love sex too....hmmmm..... whistling.gif sweat.gif


valkryie85: you said tat STDs are mainly visual. but doesnt tat mean it is usually too late? Just asking...
Is there any test in pathlabs or clinics that can be done for this?


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hey, does genital warts will get infected through saliva?
i suspect i got genital warts on my penis( around the head. something like whitish cauliflower like. any treatment to do in house instead of seeing doctor? how much it cost for the treatment and fees if go to hospital seek for a doctor?
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genital warts has no cure, your body will be the cure, the initial first year... you have to see the doc, and they will remove the warts by applying acid, or freezing it. eventually your body will develop an immunity to it. but be warned, it can recur.
fees? i really dunt know
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QUOTE(lol_man @ Mar 10 2010, 06:24 PM)
hey, does genital warts will get infected through saliva?
i suspect i got genital warts on my penis( around the head. something like whitish cauliflower like. any treatment to do in house instead of seeing doctor? how much it cost for the treatment and fees if go to hospital seek for a doctor?
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Genital warts can be infected through saliva if your partner's mouth is infected with an STD. Then she may be able to pass that infection to you
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WAT!!!???  rclxub.gif
But i love that.....and love sex too....hmmmm..... whistling.gif  sweat.gif
valkryie85: you said tat STDs are mainly visual. but doesnt tat mean it is usually too late? Just asking...
Is there any test in pathlabs or clinics that can be done for this?
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yes, I read from an article before. By doing oral sex, it increase the chance of getting STD and other sex related disease.

don't play play with mouth biggrin.gif
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Genital warts can be infected through saliva if your partner's mouth is infected with an STD. Then she may be able to pass that infection to you
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Add herpes, syphilis to that list.
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too long...any short understanding for STDs?
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hmm whatever dat dont kill you makes you stronger ??? remember to wear domdom when having sex , refrain from doing oral sex if youre having ONS, ask your partner to get an std check before you have it without domdom...
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before go fo sex better u mandi la
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Does sucking nipples can infected by STD's types?
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STD = Sober Tainted Damnation! Get rid of it. If cant, be wise about it.

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nope...wont get infected...
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it is AIDs also ?
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it is AIDs also ?
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aids is different then std la...
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hey, does genital warts will get infected through saliva?
i suspect i got genital warts on my penis( around the head. something like whitish cauliflower like. any treatment to do in house instead of seeing doctor? how much it cost for the treatment and fees if go to hospital seek for a doctor?
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All STI can transmit through Oral Sex. Although the % for different STI varies, it's advisable to use condoms even for oral sex.

HPV is incurable and will stay with you for life. There's also a many types of HPV virus, some of which can cause cervical cancer. Genital warts are the most recognizable sign of genital HPV infection and like Herpes, HPV will recur over time and the number of recurrances or when it will recur cannot be predicted. Both of which can also spread to your partner even if there are no symptoms present. Fortunately, recurrences tend to decrease over time as your body builds immunity against the virus.

2 types of vaccine exists for HPV. One is Gardasil and the other Cervarix. Both of which are ONLY preventive, meaning if you're already infected, then you're out of luck as it will not help you at all. Those of you who have kids or plan to have one soon should think about getting them Gardasil jabs (available in Singapore, Malaysia unknown).

There are many types of treatment and fees will at least start from RM150 and above.

Get yourself checked as soon as possible, good luck!
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Hrmm I heard from somewhere that sucking a nipple would cause other types of STD's though
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Hrmm I heard from somewhere that sucking a nipple would cause other types of STD's though
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you heard from who ?? first you need to know how std can be transmitted...
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Isn't that part of oral too?
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Isn't that part of oral too?
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but no bodily fluid being transmitted ma...wait does sweat count ?
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Doesn't saliva count as bodily fluid?
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Doesn't saliva count as bodily fluid?
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yes but the fluid cant be absorbed into body through nipple..
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hi.. it is real?

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What if the nipple lactates? does that count as bodily fluid?
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What if the nipple lactates? does that count as bodily fluid?
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Yes. It's a risk. But the overall the risk of an adult contracting HIV from nipple noshing would be extremely low.

However, this is a real risk of contracting herpes if the person has herpes and an open wound near her breast.

While perspiration is a form of bodily fluid, it has not known to transmit any form of STI.

Oral Sex Transmission guide (Fellatio & Cunnilingus & Anilingus)

HPV
Very low risk

HIV
Theoritical risk, the environment of the saliva is far too harsh for HIV virus to survive within. However, if there is an open wound in the mouth (such as bleeding gums and wound), then there is a small risk.

Herpes
High risk

Syphilis
High risk

Chlamydia
High risk if in contact with infected secretion and fluids

Gonorrhea
High risk

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Well in that case is Herpes, Syphilis, Chlamydia and Gonorrhea curable?

I know HIV isn't
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QUOTE(Kerry1136 @ Jun 1 2010, 11:03 PM)
Well in that case is Herpes, Syphilis, Chlamydia and Gonorrhea curable?

I know HIV isn't
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Herpes
HSV-1 (cold sore) and HSV-2 virus (genital) are not curable but controllable with medicines such as acyclovir, famicylovir and valacylovir. HSV-2 can be fatal to babies during the neonatal stage and can pass to babies if mother has an outbreak during childbirthing. However both strains are not life-threathening to adults and does not cause any major health problems but are both an annoyance because it can recur at any unspecified time and are both contagious. Recurrence tend to decrease after the 1st year of infection.

HPV
No cure. Vaccine is available for the uninfected but only works against certain types of HPV strains and useless for those who have it. Certain strains are known to cause and develop cervical cancer. The body cures itself of this virus over time but it is not known if the virus is truly cured or gone into latency like herpes. No conclusive HPV testing available

Syphilis
Curable with penicilin. Can lead to heart failure and many other health complications if left untreated

Chlamydia
Curable with antibiotics and usually treated inconjunction with Gonorrhea. Can cause serious reproductive and other health problems with both short-term and long-term consequences.

Gonorrhea
As with Chlamydia, this is curable with a bout of antibiotics. Can cause serious reproductive problems if left untreated

HIV
No cure but controllable with a variety of highly active anti-viral treatments. This is a long term illness and some people have been known to not develop into full blown AIDS.

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Well knowing the curable state of gonorrhea, syphilis and chlamydia what are the early signs for those?
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QUOTE(Kerry1136 @ Jun 2 2010, 08:25 PM)
Well knowing the curable state of gonorrhea, syphilis and chlamydia what are the early signs for those?
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Most symptoms for all of the above are similiar,

If you have had unsafe sex and you notice the following develop within a month after the encounter, you should see your health care provider if you notice:

lesions or multiple lesions on your genitals that may or may not be painful
inflamed and reddened external urethra meatus (area around the pee-hole)
milky pus or thick yellowish liquid constantly dripping out of your urethra (pee-hole)
painful and/or burning urination
constant frequent need to urinate but very little urine upon urination (UTI is most common)
enlarged scrotum which may or may not have pain
swollen lymph nodes around the pelvic area

Most of these symptoms usually come in combination with common flu symptoms like headache, feeling of malaise, fever and vomitting.

Please note that gonorrhea & chlamydia are asymptomatic for some people, which means they do not experience any symptoms. For Gonorrhea, some people never experience anything for their entire lifetime and for Chlamydia, symptoms may not appear for months or even years especially for women.
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Well you just mentioned that all the mentioned above is if you had unsafe sex. But these symptoms includes if you perform oral as well right? just like nipple sucking.
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Unsafe sex includes sex of any kind without condoms. These symptoms can appear even if you perform or receive oral sex such as cunnilingus, anniligus or fellatio.

Nipple sucking does not transmit any form of STI unless there is an open wound or lacetating. For HIV, it is a extremely small risk as this is also dependent on many other factors on both parties. For Herpes, the risk is high if there is an open wound nearby. For other STI, I really do not know but I do not think you would want to take any risk if you see a wound of any sort around the area.

A well known doctor in the Malaysia has said that most STI are a result of unprotected oral sex and this was published in the Star sometime in January of this year.
Using of condoms during oral and vaginal/anal sex will guarantee that no STI can infect you unless the condom breaks during sex. French kissing a person with an open wound/sore in her mouth can still make you susceptible to herpes.

If you frequent sex workers or have a lot of one night stands:

Use a condom for both oral and penetrative sex

This ensures that you are 100% protected from any STI unless the condom breaks during the act.



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Well with your statement even with a condom we still can't prevent cases such as through french kissing or nipple sucking right?
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QUOTE(Kerry1136 @ Jun 4 2010, 02:47 PM)
Well with your statement even with a condom we still can't prevent cases such as through french kissing or nipple sucking right?
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yeah especially hurpezzz, because its skin contact, and you wont know if one has herpes unless theyre under bright lights or u notice the inner mouth lesions besides the wound on the lips or the outer layer. We know how much of a conservant malaysians are when it comes to making up under bright lights. And what about mononucleosis aka mono, the thing fck ups your system so bad, i remember having it in my college years and i thought iw as going through the stages of aids phase. I felt weak and fatigue for months until i fully recovered.

Kissing and getting blown isnt safe unless u know the person.

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QUOTE(Kerry1136 @ Jun 4 2010, 02:47 PM)
Well with your statement even with a condom we still can't prevent cases such as through french kissing or nipple sucking right?
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Not for herpes no. But the truth is, a large percentage of the human population have herpes in their system. The mouth cold sores (HSV-1) that you experience during your childhood and chicken pox are caused by the herpes virus. Many people carry the herpes virus are asymptomatic which is why it is so easily spread. Chances are, you may have the HSV-1 in you as well because it's so easily spread.

Having HSV-1 grants you some protection against HSV-2 but this is not always the case. You can still have HSV-1 and HSV-2 at the same time. Statistically speaking, the chances of male acquiring herpes from the female is about 3% while females have an 8% chance of catching it from males during the viral shedding stage. If open wounds are present, this percentage jumps up to 60 to 70%. Remember HSV-2 can also occur in the mouth and HSV-1 can also occur in the genitals.

The fact of the matter is this - both HSV-1&2 are not life threathening and will not cause any health complications other than being a recurrent annoyance in your life.
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I know I shouldn't be asking this kind of sensitive questions here but I really hope all the bros and sis out there can help me out with this. I visited a massage parlour in Thailand recently and I really dont know there are hanky panky services inside. I think after 45 mins of massage, she began to ask for some extras. Since I'm a first timer and I never touch any girl before, I decided to go for it without thinking of the consequences. I thought it should be very safe as I don't have any sexual intercourse with her but there are something appears in my mind after the session

1. She kissed me lip to lip and I think I got a broken gum that time [due to the dry weather], is there any possibility I'm infected with HIV or STD ?

2. I did licked her breast and accidentally bite her. She told me she got a one year old daughter, but I think she is not lactating. Let's say if I drank one or two drops of her milk, is it possible I am infected too ?

3. As I lay down, she did ride on me and rub on my penis with her vagina for around 5 mins. She is wearing her panty throughout the whole process, but I am unprotected without condom.

4. She did teached me how to massage her clitoris. I got a finger's nail cut that time cos I used to bite my fingers. Is it possible for me to be infected ?

5. She told me she got no AIDS but who would tell if they have it.

6. I got a new mouth ulcer today [嘴破], a little cough and sore throat, a little bit of dryness on my tongue and upper part of my mouth.

7. One time intercourse with an AIDS infected person will confirm AIDS or there are some chances I am not infected ? I dont have vaginal intercourse with her but I'm afraid of her vaginal fluid passing through her panty and the virus transmitted to me.

I am having imsomnia for few days already and I really dont have 3 months to wait since I am going abroad. From the situation above, how high is the possibility I am infected, I want an honest answer. I really regret now. Hope you guys can help me out and thanks a lot.

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ok jokes apart..........chance is quite low (except number 7).......
as for the symptoms.......i believe my prescription above will help you get some good sleep and rest your mind

if symptoms (broken gum today [嘴破], a little cough and sore throat) persist........go consult a doctor....

by the way.....it will be helpful to post the closeup picture of the broken gum just in case it might be a primary lesion of STD


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Bro, I suggest you to have medical checkup, no matter got infected or not, it is a must for you. Let's say if you are infected (hopes it is not), you can have early treatments. If the diagnose shows you do not get infected, then you are buying "安心". Don't be shy to see a doctor, they are professional which will help you. This is normal and will happen around the whole world everyday.


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QUOTE(dhui @ Jun 6 2010, 01:03 AM)
Bro, I suggest you to have medical checkup, no matter got infected or not, it is a must for you. Let's say if you are infected (hopes it is not), you can have early treatments. If the diagnose shows you do not get infected, then you are buying "安心". Don't be shy to see a doctor, they are professional which will help you. This is normal and will happen around the whole world everyday.
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For sure I will go for doctor or medical test, but it's 3 months later. I know nothing about AIDS and ignorant about it before sad.gif

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1) go look up online on symptoms.

2) any fluid that u excrete from inside ur body (if u have aids) have the possibility of passing the disease.
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Go to any health clinic, request for an anonymous HIV test. As long as you're a Malaysian you only pay Rm1 for the service. Result is almost instantanous.
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QUOTE(Cruxidex2010 @ Jun 6 2010, 01:08 AM)
For sure I will go for doctor or medical test, but it's 3 months later. Now I just want to know how high is the possibility cos I know nothing about AIDS and ignorant about it before
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Why 3 months later? Nothing is important than your health rite? blink.gif
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I google before, it needs at least 3 months time for a confirm result. Tests within 3 months time were not accurate and now I just want to know how high is the chances or possibility I am infected ?

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Contrary to popular belief....the thailand prostitutes/"extra service" provider are actually very concern of their own physical well-being ...

Besides, there's no point worrying about stuffs you can't control now...

> If I said yes..you got AIDS.. what would you do?
> If I said no.. you don't..What would you be doing instead?
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QUOTE(zalmerox @ Jun 6 2010, 03:07 AM)
Contrary to popular belief....the thailand prostitutes/"extra service" provider are actually very concern of their own physical well-being ...

Besides, there's no point worrying about stuffs you can't control now...

> If I said yes..you got AIDS.. what would you do?
> If I said no.. you don't..What would you be doing instead?
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Therefore, please live your life to the fullest and avoid all such temptations / danger. Best is for u to ask a doctor what are the chances for u to get it as i think forum answers are not reliable for this.
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I think the chances quite high. Any clinical doctor will do or I have to go for medical lab ?
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QUOTE(zalmerox @ Jun 6 2010, 04:07 AM)

Besides, there's no point worrying about stuffs you can't control now...

> If I said yes..you got AIDS.. what would you do?
> If I said no.. you don't..What would you be doing instead?
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HIV+ and AIDS are completely 2 different things. If TS are being given PROPER suggestion and shit happens.. he can still go for treatment to ensure his condition doesn't become full blown AIDS by taking meds to slow down the progression.
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QUOTE(ee7han @ Jun 6 2010, 12:10 PM)
chill bro, everything willl be alright! smile.gif sawadeekaaap
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R u sure he will be alrite..coz from what i see he is infected with something..
i also suggest u se the dr..u can ask ur fanily or frenz to take the result from the dr..
rather than juz went to oversea like that..ur health is the priority..
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QUOTE(Cruxidex2010 @ Jun 6 2010, 12:31 AM)
I know I shouldn't be asking this kind of sensitive questions here but I really hope all the bros and sis out there can help me out with this. I visited a massage parlour in Thailand recently and I really dont know there are hanky panky services inside. I think after 45 mins of massage, she began to ask for some extras. Since I'm a first timer and I never touch any girl before, I decided to go for it without thinking of the consequences. I thought it should be very safe as I don't have any sexual intercourse with her but there are something appears in my mind after the session

1. She kissed me lip to lip and I think I got a broken gum that time [due to the dry weather], is there any possibility I'm infected with HIV or STD ?

2. I did licked her breast and accidentally bite her. She told me she got a one year old daughter, but I think she is not lactating. Let's say if I drank one or two drops of her milk, is it possible I am infected too ?

3. As I lay down, she did ride on me and rub on my penis with her vagina for around 5 mins. She is wearing her panty throughout the whole process, but I am unprotected without condom.

4. She did teached me how to massage her clitoris. I got a finger's nail cut that time cos I used to bite my fingers. Is it possible for me to be infected ?

5. She told me she got no AIDS but who would tell if they have it.

6. I got a new mouth ulcer today [嘴破], a little cough and sore throat, a little bit of dryness on my tongue and upper part of my mouth.

7. One time intercourse with an AIDS infected person will confirm AIDS or there are some chances I am not infected ? I dont have vaginal intercourse with her but I'm afraid of her vaginal fluid passing through her panty and the virus transmitted to me.

I am having imsomnia for few days already and I really dont have 3 months to wait since I am going abroad. From the situation above, how high is the possibility I am infected, I want an honest answer. I really regret now. Hope you guys can help me out and thanks a lot.
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Point 1: The environment of the saliva is very harsh for HIV virus to develop. Therefore, unless there's an open wound in her mouth that's bleeding - the chances are slim to none. Even with an open wound, the chances are still extremely slim.

Point 2: It depends if she's HIV infected and how much milk you have ingested and if you have any open wounds in your mouth. As I have said, the harsh environment caused by your saliva disrupts the HIV virus. It's an extremely slim chance you will be infected this way.

Point 3: Unless her vaginal fluids manage to enter the penis urethra or touch an open wound in your groin area. No, you will not get infected by rubbing or grinding against her. Like all viruses, HIV is incredibly fragile and does not survive well outside the body.

Point 4: It is possible but there has been no documented cases of anyone being infected with HIV via fingering. Any chance that you could be infected here is slim to none.

Point 6: HIV usually take many months if not years to manifest the initital symptoms. Relax

Point 7: It's like a lottery. For some people, even with direct unprotected sex, they do not get infected. But rest assured that if you did not have oral or vaginal unprotected sex with her, the possibility that you can be infected with HIV based on what you have described is close to being an impossibility.

If you wish to know your status, you may go for free anonymous rapid testing 6 weeeks after this encounter.

http://www.ptfmalaysia.org/2010/services_hiv.html

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Tuesday: 7:00pm – 9:00pm
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QUOTE(STDinfo @ Jun 6 2010, 12:49 PM)
Point 1: The environment of the saliva is very harsh for HIV virus to develop. Therefore, unless there's an open wound in her mouth that's bleeding - the chances are slim to none. Even with an open wound, the chances are still extremely slim.

Point 2: It depends if she's HIV infected and how much milk you have ingested and if you have any open wounds in your mouth. As I have said, the harsh environment caused by your saliva disrupts the HIV virus.  It's an extremely slim chance you will be infected this way.

Point 3: Unless her vaginal fluids manage to enter the penis urethra or touch an open wound in your groin area. No, you will not get infected by rubbing or grinding against her. Like all viruses, HIV is incredibly fragile and does not survive well outside the body.

Point 4: It is possible but there has been no documented cases of anyone being infected with HIV via fingering. Any chance that you could be infected here is slim to none.

Point 6: HIV usually take many months if not years to manifest the initital symptoms. Relax

Point 7: It's like a lottery. For some people, even with direct unprotected sex, they do not get infected. But rest assured that if you did not have oral or vaginal unprotected sex with her, the possibility that you can be infected with HIV based on what you have described is close to being an impossibility.

If you wish to know your status, you may go for free anonymous rapid testing 6 weeeks after this encounter.

http://www.ptfmalaysia.org/2010/services_hiv.html

PT Foundation HIV Screening Hours:

Tuesday:      7:00pm – 9:00pm
Friday:           11:00am – 2:00pm
Saturday:      3:00pm – 5:00pm

Call in advance for an appointment! 03 – 4044 4611
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1. I don't know if I had ingested her milk, perhaps no. If I did, may be one or two drops. Is that sufficient for the transmission of virus ? I do.n't think she is still lactating, I mean her baby already one year old
2. She is rubbing mine with her panty on and I think both of us got pre-cum. That's what made me think it's possible.
3. Yes, there are no documented case for fingering but I got a finger's nail cut before the session

Thanks for your time

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QUOTE(Cruxidex2010 @ Jun 6 2010, 01:07 PM)
1. I don't know if I had ingested her milk, perhaps no. If I did, may be one or two drops. Is that sufficient for the transmission of virus ? I do.n't think she is still lactating, I mean her baby already one year old
2. She is rubbing mine with her panty on and I think both of us got pre-cum. That's what made me think it's possible.
3. Yes, there are no documented case for fingering but I got a finger's nail cut before the session

Thanks for your time
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1. Nobody knows - again there are no documented cases for adult getting infected from this manner. My guess is that your chances are extremely slim to none.

2. My opinion does not change - the chances in which you could get infected in this manner is extremely remote. As I have said, the virus does not survive well outside the body and the quantity you've suggested is probably insignificant to matter.

3. Again, the chances are extremely remote.

I suggest not reading up to much on the symptoms as they are NEVER an accurate way of determining whether you have HIV. Having HIV-like symptoms does not necessary mean you have HIV and unlike other STI, only a blood test can conclusively tell you if you HIV+ or HIV-.

You want to know for sure, get youself checked at the above link that I've mentioned after 6 to 8 weeks. The results will be quite conclusive and I'm certain you will be HIV negative.

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Seroconversion can be undetectable up for 6 month, the virus can go dormant up to that period of time and it can go unnoticed. 6-8 weeks,3 months is still too early to determine. You can go for an immediate checkup but do a later checkup after 6month as well.

I dont think you have hiv. The obvious early symptoms is having a flu within the 1 month period of contact. Dont think about it too much after you read this post though, cause sometimes the minds play tricks smile.gif .
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So, did I just worry too much ? I couldn't judge cos I got no experiences before and I know nothing about HIV or AIDS. This would be my first time and probably the last time. It's worse to live under those nightmares and thanks to everyone, I do appreciate for your time
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So, did I just worry too much ? I couldn't judge cos I got no experiences before and I know nothing about HIV or AIDS. This would be my first time and probably the last time. It's worse to live under those nightmares and thanks to everyone, I do appreciate for your time
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What you experience is normal. Fear and anxiety can wreck havoc on your mind. Based on what you have said, I'm fairly certain you do not have HIV. HIV tranmission usually occurs via direct exposure to blood, intercourse or needle sharing. Even with direct exposure, for HIV to "take" - you have to be exposed long enough and this is usually done via repeated unprotected sex with multiple partners. If you were to get infected in this manner, then you would certainly be the first in the history of mankind. So relax, you're fine.

For peace of mind, I suggest you go to a doctor. Tell him your situation and ask him if its necessary to take a test to find out. If he tells you it's not necessary to check then it's not necessary.

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I wonder if drink/swallowed the vagina fluid into the throat.....will the STD's transfered through this method unsure.gif
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I wonder if drink/swallowed the vagina fluid into the throat.....will the STD's transfered through this method unsure.gif
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Consumption of vagina fluid or seminal fluid will put you at risk of STI including HIV.

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Cruxidex2010, I would say, HIV is less likely for your case, but for other infections like yeast infection, this is something your should worry about.
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QUOTE(red-queen @ Oct 11 2006, 10:45 AM)
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oral sex cant transmit std?
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indeed it can, as we may have cuts and ulcers in the mouth whereas the genitalia may also have broken skin, hence the high chance of contracting STD.

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QUOTE(EmperorMeng @ Mar 10 2007, 10:06 AM)
oral sex cant transmit std?


u can get cytomegalovirus, toxoplasma...& many more virus.......transmit from body fluid.


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But no sex sucks, better safe sex. and watch out for this painfull resulting transmissions, as had met a dude with ipdydimis orchitis (sot sure spellings), wow.. load of pain in the story.
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for HIV.... get an antibody test after 3 months of exposure...
The CDC has stated after 3 months of exposure then the result will be conlusive...
Either the traditional ELISA or Rapid test it will be conclusive after 3 months of exposure...
The 3 months after exposure has been the guideline since 2004...
The guideline for 6 month is for people who have immonusurpressed.. and also for people who on PEP...
If you scared enough and can't wait you can get PCR test a 12days after exposure but remember... that is not a standalone test...
At 3 months after exposure and antibody will show a conclusive result... some testing centre might still suggest 6 month mark although it is not neccesary...
What ever symptoms you experience don't try to related it with HIV... HIV has non-specific symptoms.... Most of the symptoms can be caused by a lots of things.... Some people don't experience any symptom untill they get really sick....
If you believe you have expose yourself to HIV... GO GET TESTED... 6-8weeks mark and confirmation on 3 months mark.... Don't rely on symptoms as they are not reliable to diagnose HIV... the ONLY way to know your status is to TEST.... Always wear condoms when having sex.... NO EXCEPTION untill you know your partner status... HIV do not have clean or not clean... it is HIV positive or negative....

ALWAYS WEAR CONDOMS! SEX ONLY LASTED FOR MINUTES... HIV LASTED FOR LIFETIME....
EDUCATED YOURSELF ABOUT SAFE SEX... IT WILL SAFE YOU....
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QUOTE(the_cats83 @ Sep 22 2010, 07:05 AM)
for HIV.... get an antibody test after 3 months of exposure...
The CDC has stated after 3 months of exposure then the result will be conlusive...
Either the traditional ELISA or Rapid test it will be conclusive after 3 months of exposure...
The 3 months after exposure has been the guideline since 2004...
The guideline for 6 month is for people who have immonusurpressed.. and also for people who on PEP...
If you scared enough and can't wait you can get PCR test a 12days after exposure but remember... that is not a standalone test...
At 3 months after exposure and antibody will show a conclusive result... some testing centre might still suggest 6 month mark although it is not neccesary...
What ever symptoms you experience don't try to related it with HIV... HIV has non-specific symptoms.... Most of the symptoms can be caused by a lots of things.... Some people don't experience any symptom untill they get really sick....
If you believe you have expose yourself to HIV... GO GET TESTED... 6-8weeks mark and confirmation on 3 months mark.... Don't rely on symptoms as they are not reliable to diagnose HIV... the ONLY way to know your status is to TEST.... Always wear condoms when having sex.... NO EXCEPTION untill you know your partner status... HIV do not have clean or not clean... it is HIV positive or negative....

ALWAYS WEAR CONDOMS! SEX ONLY LASTED FOR MINUTES... HIV LASTED FOR LIFETIME....
EDUCATED YOURSELF ABOUT SAFE SEX... IT WILL SAFE YOU....
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just wondering, does a clean pap smear mean that you are 100% STD free, or are there specific tests that need to be done ?
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Hehe... I agree on the no sex is the safest. thumbup.gif But still what is the symptom?? If we got STD's?? Some of people are still shy to meet to doctor. blush.gif
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QUOTE(electricute21 @ Sep 24 2010, 10:45 AM)
Hehe... I agree on the no sex is the safest. thumbup.gif  But still what is the symptom?? If we got STD's?? Some of people are still shy to meet to doctor. blush.gif
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sometimes there will be no symptom ...many ppl didnt realised it and some never go for std checkup oso...just normal elisa hiv test cant detect std...i believe alot of ppl do hiv test but not std test...
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QUOTE(electricute21 @ Sep 24 2010, 10:45 AM)
Hehe... I agree on the no sex is the safest. thumbup.gif  But still what is the symptom?? If we got STD's?? Some of people are still shy to meet to doctor. blush.gif
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Symptoms will be rather obvious when you have STI. Very often, you will notice abnormalities around your genital areas. They can include blisters, multiple spotting, unusual growth around the penile head, continuous discharge from the urethrea, constant itching, painful urination etc.

Get help from your nearest GUM clinic if any of these symptoms persist!


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QUOTE(pinkdalmation @ Sep 24 2010, 09:48 AM)
just wondering, does a clean pap smear mean that you are 100% STD free, or are there specific tests that need to be done ?
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A clean pap smear does not guarantee that.

There are test for Chlamydia, Gonorrhea, Syphilis, Herpes and HIV.

Chlamydia/Gonorrhea - urine test/visual
Syphilis/HIV - blood test
Herpes - viral culture from open blisters for 100% accuracy or Igg Herpeselect test (very good indication but still not 100% accuracy)
HPV - usually visual but otherwise none.



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so you have to specifically request for the tests when you have your yearly check up ? and is it recommended to screen for all of those ?
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QUOTE(pinkdalmation @ Oct 16 2010, 07:02 PM)
so you have to specifically request for the tests when you have your yearly check up ? and is it recommended to screen for all of those ?
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if youre not frequently changing partners then test it once is enuf ....
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actually beside hiv need to wait till 3 or 6 months only know..how about sex transmition? How we know the accurate test we tested? Some ppl said maybe 2 days till 20years..so mean tat until lifetime also we never know we really get any sex transmition? If a person who really dun have any std and bleeding inside viginal or during period mean they will have high risk of std?
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if youre not frequently changing partners then test it once is enuf ....
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so if never test before, just test for it once then its okay already ?
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i think should test once a year...who knows our partner have do anything outside...
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A standard yearly health check does not include checks for STI. You need to request for it.

It is usually a good idea to check yourself once a year if you have mutliple partners or is sexually promiscuous. It's also good to have a premarital check if you plan on getting married soon to safeguard your partner. It's all about trust, if you are monogamous and your partner is true to you as well then there's really no reason to have further checks after the 1st.

In reality, most people don't bother checking themselves if they have no symptoms in the genital area. If everyone were to dwell on such matters, then nobody would dare to have sex! If you have used proper protection during oral and penetrative sex, then the chances of you contracting any form of STI is close to NIL. If you were to catch anything even with all the protection then it's most likely due to kissing (open sore present in mouth) or you going down on them.

HIV test are highly accurate and reliable after the 3 month mark. So if you are negative 3 months, that means you're negative period. The 6 months mark is recommended for people who have undergone immunosuppressed treatments or have autoimmune diseases. Of course, anyone is free to test themselves after 6 months as well if it gives them true peace of mind.

Certain STI tests have 100% accuracy. Chlamydia, Syphillis, and Gonorrhea can be easily detected via urine and blood test and they also have very obvious visual symptoms as well if you have it. The exception is Chlamydia which can exhibit no symptoms on infected individuals until after a few months.

Herpes and HPV can stay hidden within you without symptoms as well. Some people may have Herpes but will never exhibit any symptoms throughout their lifetime or may have their first outbreak many years after they first caught it. To my knowledge, there is no reliable test for HPV. Herpes can be tested in 2 ways, one is a viral culture from a swab on your genital lesion. If you do it when you first notice painful lesions then the results is 100% accurate if it comes back positive. The accuracy will diminish over time and reccurence. The 2nd method is via Herpeselect Igg blood test which offers a very high degree of accuracy as it looks for specific Herpes glycoprotein G (gG) to differentiate between HSV-1 and HSV-2.

HIV test is only reliable and confirmed after a blood test. Many HIV related symptoms are usually symptoms of the common cold and fever as well and thus not an accurate indication.
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so if never test before, just test for it once then its okay already ?
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i think should test once a year...who knows our partner have do anything outside...
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+1 ...yeap unless youre sure hes 100% faithful ...
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true ... never thought about that -_-"
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but all i think is better know earlier and cure earlier...dun say about raw sex or those one night stand... sometimes not our fault to have a lot of partners... make sure protect sex or have a good hygiene is the most important...
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actually i was wondering... Std and hiv will get by sexual intercourse of body fluid or blood?
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QUOTE(alvia @ Oct 19 2010, 08:06 AM)
actually i was wondering... Std and hiv will get by sexual intercourse of body fluid or blood?
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You can actually get a lot of information by just reading some of the past posts.

STD (STI) as the name implies is sexually transmitted diseases/Infection. They are transmitted through the exchange of bodily fluids (sexual intercourse/oral/anal sex) and in the case of HIV and Hep.C, it can also infect you if it enters your blood stream as well (Many HIV positive individuals were infected through the sharing of needles).

Herpes is an exception because it's also a skin disease as well as an STI. You do not need to have sex to get Herpes, just kissing (esp if there's are sores present in the mouth) can infect you. There are 2 variants, HSV-1 and HSV-2. HSV-1 usually appears around the mouth and HSV-2 usually appears on your genitals, but it is not uncommon to also find HSV-1 on your genital areas and HSV-2 strains infecting the mouth area.
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that's mean if the person free from hiv and bleeding when sexual intercourse will it get hiv or std?of course both partners are free from hiv
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QUOTE(alvia @ Oct 19 2010, 03:06 PM)
that's mean if the person free from hiv and bleeding when sexual intercourse will it get hiv or std?of course both partners are free from hiv
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doh.gif Isn't it common sense? If you don't have HIV, how you give someone HIV? If that person got no HIV, how he/she give you HIV? Doesn't matter if one is bleeding or not, if both parties are negative, you can't get something from nothing.

If one party is positive and the other party is negative, it also doesn't mean they will get infected for sure. It just means your risk is very much higher if you have engaged in unprotected sex and even greater if you have wounds or other STD present. That don't mean you should go around having unprotected sex though as the risk of catching other STD is still present.
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QUOTE(STDinfo @ Oct 19 2010, 09:59 AM)
You can actually get a lot of information by just reading some of the past posts.

STD (STI) as the name implies is sexually transmitted diseases/Infection. They are transmitted through the exchange of bodily fluids (sexual intercourse/oral/anal sex) and in the case of HIV and Hep.C, it can also infect you if it enters your blood stream as well (Many HIV positive individuals were infected through the sharing of needles).

Herpes is an exception because it's also a skin disease as well as an STI. You do not need to have sex to get Herpes, just kissing (esp if there's are sores present in the mouth) can infect you. There are 2 variants, HSV-1 and HSV-2. HSV-1 usually appears around the mouth and HSV-2 usually appears on your genitals, but it is not uncommon to also find HSV-1 on your genital areas and HSV-2 strains infecting the mouth area.
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What if the person with HSV-1 infected on the mouth has been cured by applying cream? Can that person still infect others with that herpes and is that person still carrying the herpes virus or treated as herpes patient? Because once its cured, theres no other signs of we knowing that person has been infected with herpes nor if she/he still carrying the herpes virus.
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QUOTE(~Mew~ @ Oct 20 2010, 10:51 AM)
What if the person with HSV-1 infected on the mouth has been cured by applying cream? Can that person still infect others with that herpes and is that person still carrying the herpes virus or treated as herpes patient? Because once its cured, theres no other signs of we knowing that person has been infected with herpes nor if she/he still carrying the herpes virus.
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There is no cure for herpes, once you get it. It stays with you for life and outbreaks and recurrence can happen from as low as nothing in a persons lifetime to 1 or 6 times or more in a year. The only treatments are topical creams and suppressive daily anti-viral drugs (usually prescribed for HSV-2 but may also be prescribed for HSV-1).

And yes, a person can infect others even if there's no symptoms but herpes is a very common thing especially HSV-1 and there's a lot of people that is infected with it.

The bad news is, HSV-1 can also infect the genital areas but is much less likely to recur in that region as compared to HSV-2 and vice versa. In any case, HSV-1 & 2 outbreaks become less and less frequent as your body builds its immunity over time.
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QUOTE(STDinfo @ Oct 20 2010, 11:15 AM)
There is no cure for herpes, once you get it. It stays with you for life and outbreaks and recurrence can happen from as low as nothing in a persons lifetime to 1 or 6 times or more in a year. The only treatments are topical creams and suppressive daily anti-viral drugs (usually prescribed for HSV-2 but may also be prescribed for HSV-1).

And yes, a person can infect others even if there's no symptoms but herpes is a very common thing especially HSV-1 and there's a lot of people that is infected with it.

The bad news is, HSV-1 can also infect the genital areas but is much less likely to recur in that region as compared to HSV-2 and vice versa. In any case, HSV-1 & 2 outbreaks become less and less frequent as your body builds its immunity over time.
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Thanks for your quick response. Hm so i guess its a pretty unavoidable case as it can be spreaded to others too without you knowing. For instance, utensils that we shared in public are easily infected without us knowing if the previous user is infected with herpes.

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QUOTE(~Mew~ @ Oct 20 2010, 01:07 PM)
Thanks for your quick response. Hm so i guess its a pretty unavoidable case as it can be spreaded to others too without you knowing. For instance, utensils that we shared in public are easily infected without us knowing if the previous user is infected with herpes.
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Possible but very highly unlikely as the virus does not survive very well in normal environment. The window of survival for the herpes virus in normal environment is approximately 10s or less and approximately 15 to 30 mins on a damp towel under optimal conditions. Under lab controlled environment, it has been known to survive for longer than 30mins to a day but again - it's under a controlled environment without any other external influence. In real world environment, there are other germs and factors which will eliminate the herpes virus very easily.

Similarly, you can't get infected by herpes or any other STDs for that matter by just sitting on the toilet bowl.

I wouldn't worry too much about it. HSV-1 is very common and many people around the world are infected with it since childhood due to many factors unrelated to sex.


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i think they must invented anti-bacteria condom
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QUOTE(STDinfo @ Oct 20 2010, 02:33 PM)
Possible but very highly unlikely as the virus does not survive very well in normal environment. The window of survival for the herpes virus in normal environment is approximately 10s or less and approximately 15 to 30 mins on a damp towel under optimal conditions. Under lab controlled environment, it has been known to survive for longer than 30mins to a day but again - it's under a controlled environment without any other external influence. In real world environment, there are other germs and factors which will eliminate the herpes virus very easily.

Similarly, you can't get infected by herpes or any other STDs for that matter by just sitting on the toilet bowl.

I wouldn't worry too much about it. HSV-1 is very common and many people around the world are infected with it since childhood due to many factors unrelated to sex.
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ohmy.gif Oh...i see. Im just a lil over worried about it. Thats why such question pop-ed up in my mind. Wow once leads to another, i never know herpes can be infected due to factors unrelated to sex.

edit: herpes sounded like a no timer bomb to me, no signs or with signs too, you never know when you will get it again after the first outbreak. Its just like cancer, you will never know when the cells are activated.

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QUOTE(~Mew~ @ Oct 25 2010, 11:29 PM)
sorry for late reply, just got back from oustation

ohmy.gif Oh...i see. Im just a lil over worried about it. Thats why such question pop-ed up in my mind. Wow once leads to another, i never know herpes can be infected due to factors unrelated to sex.

edit: herpes sounded like a no timer bomb to me, no signs or with signs too, you never know when you will get it again after the first outbreak. Its just like cancer, you will never know when the cells are activated.
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Can't really worry it all or you'll end up never having sex. If anything, herpes is an annoyance, one that comes and goes and one that can spread through sharing of utensils or skin contact (even if sores are not present). Fortunately, it is mostly harmless and tends to recur less as you grow older.

There are some dangers to herpes, but limited to pregnancy cases and that's an entirely different scenario altogether.
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QUOTE(STDinfo @ Oct 26 2010, 04:41 PM)
Can't really worry it all or you'll end up never having sex. If anything, herpes is an annoyance, one that comes and goes and one that can spread through sharing of utensils or skin contact (even if sores are not present). Fortunately, it is mostly harmless and tends to recur less as you grow older.

There are some dangers to herpes, but limited to pregnancy cases and that's an entirely different scenario altogether.
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biggrin.gif I agree with you haha. So no worries icon_rolleyes.gif
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LOL.
BTW condom can reduce risk but there are still risk involve, i heard a doctor saying when I attended a talk on the topic of sex.

To b safe, u n ur partner must be honest to each other.
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then, about the anal-sex, is it not advisable to practice this kind of sex among married couple?

just wan to know..

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