firstly, Im not going to start a debate with you, but somehow I think you misinterpret some of my points.
That would be a contradiction, wouldn't it? >>>NO.
Both acute medicine, chronic medicine or whatever branch of medicine goes hand in hand - all have progressed a long way to become what is known as modern medical science. >>> the medicine, though is from the same technology or concept, but the LEVEL OF TOXICITY is different. Why not you try giving a person who has heart problems nevirapine and a cancer person a drug called vioxx. It might sound silly, but that's what you have explained. If you dont know, unlike allopathic, the treatment is a holistic treatment, which means everything is connected, however in modern medical science, they drugs are intended to action to ONLY specific issues.
You have to realize that most food nowadays are either processed or treated. >>> that depends on where you live, either urban or rural area.
How can an average working man find the food that you describe - natural or raw, unprocessed and untreated?>> Why not ? example, drinking carrot juice ? Hello ????
Even the vegetables that you eat everyday has chemicals sprayed on them. Unless, of course, you're talking about organic food, which is not readily available and cost more than an average man can afford!!! >>> yes, unfortunately. Organic food is more costly, but that doesnt mean you cant wash away the pesticides ???? come on, you need to do your research, seriously you cant be expecting me to give you more information and debate more with you, right ?
However, nobody can 100% control their emotions to make sure they are 100% positive!!! Well, maybe if you're a vulcan.......>>> well, I didnt say 100%, but at least you can change the environment. You know that people cant change, why not YOU change ? as easy as that...nobody says it's easy, definately not me. But if you dont change and keep thinking in negative like the majority of public who likes to live in FEAR, you know your immune system will go down. There's always hope...
Malaysia is now shrouded in thick haze. How to avoid? >>> of course this is something seasonal or happen over a period of time, you cant take such issues and take it as an excuse to say to yourself it's better to die than to live, looking at such ad-hoc situation. anyway, our world is getting sicker and sicker because of pollution and yes, the modern medical science prefers to push it to "virus". and you will also notice, if you live in a thick haze area, suddenly you will have symptoms like "H1N1", as your lungs is really actively detoxifying the particles.
In the end, what I'm trying to say is that maintaining a healthy lifestyle is crucial for health but there are factors that are unavoidable, however hard you try to avoid it. >>> by practising healthy lifestyle, your sustainability is much better. how many factors are you talking about then ?
However, they have come a long way in TRYING to understand it! If cancer was fully understood, then you would have a cure >>> LOL, kmarc, if you think modern medical science offers you a cure, im afraid you are in a delusional state. Im going to say to you for one last time, there are people who take enough nutritions and raw foods and worry less who are cure from cancer stage 4. The modern medical science "promise" that the cure for cancer will be found in 10 years time, now, it has been 15 years ??? what happen ? I thought those are briliant scientists ?
But, how come those who takes natural food can be healed ? and the more relevant question is is the SCIENCE used in modern medical science THE CORRECT ONE ?
Another example is the drugs used to treat your common hypertension (high blood pressure). Do you realize that the multitude of drugs used to treat the blood pressure that is high and not address the root cause? The drugs mainly act in reducing the blood pressure. Why so? Because nobody has identified the root cause of the disease!!! >>> Why are you telling me these ? Tell this to the modern medical science. It's a surprise you know modern medical science dont treat the root cause, as what I have said in my past reply
Regarding HIV/AIDS, do you know that there are still no cure for a viral infection? >>> that is in the world of modern medical science. They reject other views and prohibit other views to be known to the public.
Why do you have antibiotics for bacterial infection but no effective drug for viral infection? Again, it is because medical science has not progressed that far to understand and combat viral infections. >>> Please, please, please, please, please, please, please....read Janine Robert's book called Fear Of The Invisible before you start the virus conversation, enuff! By the way, please read my last post about this topic...look for whatever evidence you want, BUT also think about the critical questions that are being asked.
Again, I ask you. If you do not believe in modern medical science, what do you belief in? I do hope that what you belief in has concrete evidence from whatever research methodology that it came from. >>> Dont you worry about that

Modenr medical science can give you thousands and thousand of "statistical" success, but when it comes to reality, Im not sure how successful they are.
It is one of the available methods to treat a condition based on how much researchers understand it! >>> well, as I said it before, it depends on the person of that researcher is. again, this is also involves money as well. Imagine, if the company's researches (pharmaceutical )manage to find a cure, dont you think they will run out of business ? Instead, why not find something that doesnt cure BUT can supress the symptoms ? so that they can take it over and over again for the rest of the lives ? ( oh nvm, this part is very complicated to explain anyway)
So, does that mean that there no means to confirm or refute modern science? You state yourself that "This whole mess is "introduced" by your modern medical science, it is them who needs to realize that they are wrong". In order to realize that something is wrong, there has to be "evidence" to show that it is wrong! >>> Hello ? Did it ever incur to you how come some people who changes their lifestyle(as what I have said), and treat the body with optimal vitamins or herbs are cured while those who went to chemotherapies or radiation or whatever procedure from them died ? I encourage you to watch "Farrah's Story" sincerely from my heart. It is available online...observe what the procedure has done to her and her body.
Remember, the drugs killed her more faster than the cancer killed her, and at the end of the film, she asked a question(to her country's Health minister I believe), why does our country dont implement alternatives treatment which has been proven to be successful in other countries ? as I said, there's no point I argue with you here when you dont experience it yourself....really, there's no point.
Classic example, all humans previously thought that the sun revolves around our earth, only to be proved wrong later on that it was earth that revolves around the sun. >>> which is why everyone need to be open minded.
In conclusion, what I'm trying to say is that we have come a long way in terms of medical sciences. However, there are still a lot of research to be done before we can fully understand the human body. Scientist do not fully understand the human body and as such, do not have effective drugs to cure many diseases. Modern science has come to a stage where the MANIFESTATION of diseases can be treated but NOT the ROOT CAUSE of diseases. As time goes by, another medical breakthrough occurs, to progress medical science further and better. Who knows, it may take another 1000 years before humans can fully understand their own body. In the meantime, we can only make do with what we have, as we understand it.
>>> maybe I think you dont understand, that's why you seem to be contradicting. When drugs are unable to solve the root cause, it doesnt cure a "disease". Besides, drugs are synthetic and our organs are natural/boilogical. Consuming drugs for a long period of time will cause organ failure, a classic example why drugs cant solve any of our body issues. It only cover symptoms.
P/s : Humans are not that gullible. Show clear reproducible evidence to proof something wrong and everybody will believe it. >>> 
just read my previous post to see what I mean by the icon at the beginning of this sentence.
QUOTE(kmarc @ Aug 9 2009, 06:19 AM)
That would be a contradiction, wouldn't it? Both acute medicine, chronic medicine or whatever branch of medicine goes hand in hand - all have progressed a long way to become what is known as modern medical science. You just can't separately say that acute illnesses are effectively treated by modern science while other illnesses are not! Most treatment options nowadays are based on the same research/study methodology and statistical analysis.
I fully agree with you that a healthy lifestyle does reduce illnesses. Here's the example that you gave:
1) Human consumption of unwanted processed foods which contains unknown chemicals
2) Eating natural or raw food
You have to realize that most food nowadays are either processed or treated. How can an average working man find the food that you describe - natural or raw, unprocessed and untreated? Even the vegetables that you eat everyday has chemicals sprayed on them. Unless, of course, you're talking about organic food, which is not readily available and cost more than an average man can afford!!!
3) Negative human emotions
Again, I have no doubt that negative human emotions can be detrimental. However, nobody can 100% control their emotions to make sure they are 100% positive!!! Well, maybe if you're a vulcan.......
4) Poor environment
Malaysia is now shrouded in thick haze. How to avoid?
In the end, what I'm trying to say is that maintaining a healthy lifestyle is crucial for health but there are factors that are unavoidable, however hard you try to avoid it.
As for cancer, know that modern scientist and researchers have not yet fully understood the nature of cancer!!! However, they have come a long way in TRYING to understand it! If cancer was fully understood, then you would have a cure. When something is not well understood, naturally, the drugs or treatment options used to treat the illness would not be very effective.
Another example is the drugs used to treat your common hypertension (high blood pressure). Do you realize that the multitude of drugs used to treat the blood pressure that is high and not address the root cause? The drugs mainly act in reducing the blood pressure. Why so? Because nobody has identified the root cause of the disease!!! If so, does that mean that hypertensive patients don't take their medication?
Regarding HIV/AIDS, do you know that there are still no cure for a viral infection? Why do you have antibiotics for bacterial infection but no effective drug for viral infection? Again, it is because medical science has not progressed that far to understand and combat viral infections.
Again, I ask you. If you do not believe in modern medical science, what do you belief in? I do hope that what you belief in has concrete evidence from whatever research methodology that it came from.
Drugs are NOT the solution. It is one of the available methods to treat a condition based on how much researchers understand it! Again, just to stress that there are many things still NOT understood!
So, does that mean that there no means to confirm or refute modern science? You state yourself that "This whole mess is "introduced" by your modern medical science, it is them who needs to realize that they are wrong". In order to realize that something is wrong, there has to be "evidence" to show that it is wrong! Nobody would challenge something if it is proven wrong. Classic example, all humans previously thought that the sun revolves around our earth, only to be proved wrong later on that it was earth that revolves around the sun.
In conclusion, what I'm trying to say is that we have come a long way in terms of medical sciences. However, there are still a lot of research to be done before we can fully understand the human body. Scientist do not fully understand the human body and as such, do not have effective drugs to cure many diseases. Modern science has come to a stage where the MANIFESTATION of diseases can be treated but NOT the ROOT CAUSE of diseases. As time goes by, another medical breakthrough occurs, to progress medical science further and better. Who knows, it may take another 1000 years before humans can fully understand their own body. In the meantime, we can only make do with what we have, as we understand it.

P/s : Humans are not that gullible. Show clear reproducible evidence to proof something wrong and everybody will believe it.
This post has been edited by david_lynn: Aug 10 2009, 11:59 AM