hey guys...cool it, cool it. It's good to have such debate i think, but i just want to comment 1 thing...rac3r, you are already very comfortable with the current paradigm, so it is very hard for you to accept what david has just said to you ( me too actually ), BUT the information and questions that David asked is very important, that from my understanding, I dont think it has ever been answered yet. It is still in grey area.

furthermore, yes, there are people who has misdiagnosed, was starting to take the drugs when suddenly they retest, suddenly came out negative. How would you feel ? If me, I would want to sue that doctor or hospital.

ADD ON : furthermore, I think david's intention is really sincere from the way he explain things. He dont force you, He just ask you to think critically.
( I think lah ) You know right, once you are diagnosed positive, the public will treat you with one kind. which i dont think is the
right way.

This post has been edited by shaquenator: Jun 23 2009, 04:53 PM

rac3r,

i think you take it too personal already. as David stated, STDs are real but NOT HIV.


david_lynn intention might be good thinking he can keep spreading the bad side of getting tested which leads to people thinking that there is no point to get tested at all since the results is not true at all > im afraid I have to disagree with you. The reason is

1) he really do provide link that has some explanation to why the current paradigm is incorrect, with the studies attached
from what I can read, there's 2 study :

Padian study - a study that shows quite a lot of couples(1 positive and 1 negative ), they are practising unsafe sex and after 6
years following them, none sero-converted. This real study itself seem enough to make me rethink again about the sexual
transmission, because to be frank, I think david might be right, where is the evidence that HIV can be transmitted sexually ?

Concorde study - a study that shows HIV patients on AZT died earlier than those who didnt take it. It clearly shows the AIDS
medication in fact have a lot of side effects, some are like the AIDS illnesses. It is quite harmful, and I study the information
further in the TIG website that david gave, hhmmmm....I think something fishy is there(i dont know).

I think what david is doing is making other people look into the facts themselves, not asking you to believe at all. That is why he provided the links. Hhhmmmm, as compare to you, you keep saying to him that he is wrong and that he is a "denialist", but at least he provides links that really debate back why the current thinking might be a mistake. YOU DONT.

2)I also look at one of the survivor website, Maria - she has been diagnosed since 1984, she almost died because of the medication.
But, when she stop, all the illnesses just stop. I mean how can this be coincidental ? and there's only 1 possible reason for that.
Besides, when she requested her Greece government to prove that HIV can cause AIDS, it is shocking ( cant believe what I read )
the Greece government have not provide them almost 2 years now and they are still awaiting for the evidence.

3)Then I go into Janine's website, Fear Of The Invisible...it seems that there are 2 discoverer of HIV - Robert Gallo and Montagnier.
Robert Gallo, shockingly was told to get out of NIH quietly due to scientific misconduct. On the other hand, Montagnier, dont believe
HIV has been isolated OR HIV itself isnt enough to cause AIDS. It is quite shocking when we really go inside and read it. By the
way, Janine's website really do have evidence that Robert Gallo has committed a fraud.

hhhmmm, really, it gives me a lesson that, sometimes, if we dont really read with an open-minded thinking and choose to be close-minded, it is indeed not to your advantage. Nobody ask you to believe it totally without seeing the evidence as what David already said to you. He ask you not to trust what he said, look at the website.

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Added on June 24, 2009, 1:48 pmADD ON : bad news is many asians arent willing to be open minded and ask questions =) Yup, I agree fear already blinded people's thinking, as what David says...

This post has been edited by shaquenator: Jun 25 2009, 09:05 AM

does he sound that young ?

This post has been edited by shaquenator: Aug 19 2009, 12:12 PM