QUOTE(david_lynn @ Aug 9 2009, 06:07 PM)
hey kmarc,
no problem man, let me just explain our gaps, but i dont assume myself as have a great knowledge BUT everyday is a constant learning process. remember to be always open minded...
However, your idea that modern medical science is a joke and should not be trusted is somewhat appalling >>> if it is for acute or emergency illnesses like fever, cut/burns, labour, it is of course hospitals are the best place to treat such conditions which is very obvious to the eyes. If untreated, it will do more harm than good in SUCH SITUATION.
That would be a contradiction, wouldn't it? Both acute medicine, chronic medicine or whatever branch of medicine goes hand in hand - all have progressed a long way to become what is known as modern medical science. You just can't separately say that acute illnesses are effectively treated by modern science while other illnesses are not! Most treatment options nowadays are based on the same research/study methodology and statistical analysis.
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However, in terms of chronic illnesses, like cancer(there's actually various types of cancers, lymphoma, sarcoma...), heart problems, organ dysfuntion, it is best to understand that such conditions happens after years and years of human consumption of unwanted processed foods which contains chemicals we dont even know, and drugs(although have certain functions but it is still chemicals for borh recreational and medicinal), negative human emotions, poor environment and unhealthy lifestyle. So, it is very wrong for people to assume that drugs can be the solution, because drugs intention is to kill the cancer cells BUT it comes with a price, because drugs are artificial things, and our bodies are natural organs, that has biological functions. Therefore there will be side effects. That is why majority of people who goes to ONLY chemotherapies either die or if they survive, the cancer comes back. WHY ? because the drugs dont solve the ROOT CAUSE. It delays the symptoms. However, if one decided to change the lifestyle to eating natural or raw foods(let food be your medicine) and stop all the FEAR MONGERING things, I sincerely believe the cancer cant survive any longer because we have created an unsuitable environment for the cancer cells, and therefore, the cancer cells have to shrink to very very small percentage called as undetectable in the cancer marker test, everyone has cancer cells. Our public's negativity has bring the fall of our own. We need to be as positive as ever...
I fully agree with you that a healthy lifestyle does reduce illnesses. Here's the example that you gave:
1) Human consumption of unwanted processed foods which contains unknown chemicals
2) Eating natural or raw food
You have to realize that most food nowadays are either processed or treated. How can an average working man find the food that you describe - natural or raw, unprocessed and untreated? Even the vegetables that you eat everyday has chemicals sprayed on them. Unless, of course, you're talking about organic food, which is not readily available and cost more than an average man can afford!!!
3) Negative human emotions
Again, I have no doubt that negative human emotions can be detrimental. However, nobody can 100% control their emotions to make sure they are 100% positive!!! Well, maybe if you're a vulcan.......
4) Poor environment
Malaysia is now shrouded in thick haze. How to avoid?
In the end, what I'm trying to say is that maintaining a healthy lifestyle is crucial for health but there are factors that are unavoidable, however hard you try to avoid it.
As for cancer, know that modern scientist and researchers have not yet fully understood the nature of cancer!!! However, they have come a long way in TRYING to understand it! If cancer was fully understood, then you would have a cure. When something is not well understood, naturally, the drugs or treatment options used to treat the illness would not be very effective.
Another example is the drugs used to treat your common hypertension (high blood pressure). Do you realize that the multitude of drugs used to treat the blood pressure that is high and not address the root cause? The drugs mainly act in reducing the blood pressure. Why so? Because nobody has identified the root cause of the disease!!! If so, does that mean that hypertensive patients don't take their medication?
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for HIV=AIDS case, I believe you can actually study my questions that I have posed on another forum, and more importantly, watch the movie(if it is available in Malaysia, which I doubt) called House of Numbers. Then you tell me which part of the science has progress
I find it very hard to swallow some things that the modern medical science have decided to CURSE the people diagnosed as positive, and of course the people, out of ignorant, choose to discriminate those people. Each and every year, what profesor Duesberg has said in the 80s has come true...and how the world ridicule what Africa's President Mbeki said, also has come true. The evidence how HIV can cause the fall of the immune system is not being documented. Just go and ponder on the questions I ask, because if you said that THERE ARE STILL MANY THINGS THAT THE HUMAN DONT KNOW, how come the modern medical science can know if THE HIV+ people dont take the medication, they can die in 10 years time ???? there are obviously people who reject the medication lives up to 20 years and still living. WHY DOES THE DEFINITION OF ILLNESSES(for AIDS) KEEPS INCREASING ??? I find it very uncommon for a "virus" can create more illnesses as times progresses. It seems like anything that is unsolved, the modern medical science like to dump it as a "virus" issue.
Regarding HIV/AIDS, do you know that there are still no cure for a viral infection? Why do you have antibiotics for bacterial infection but no effective drug for viral infection? Again, it is because medical science has not progressed that far to understand and combat viral infections.
Again, I ask you. If you do not believe in modern medical science, what do you belief in? I do hope that what you belief in has concrete evidence from whatever research methodology that it came from.
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if i were to choose between cancer and HIV=AIDS, cancer is still more dangerous than HIV=AIDS. But more importantly, the drugs is not your saviour. We are only being told by "doctors" that those drugs are the ONLY solution, is it the truth ?
Drugs are NOT the solution. It is one of the available methods to treat a condition based on how much researchers understand it! Again, just to stress that there are many things still NOT understood!
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That's what I understand after reading your posts anyway. If you belief that modern science is fake, what methods are you going to use to refute the evidence.... modern science? >>> I dont have to refute at all. This whole mess is "introduce" by your modern medical science, it is them who needs to realize that they are wrong. BUT, I dont see any such sign so far. If this happens, the pharmaceutical companies will have to go bankrupt, and they will do anything to make sure anyone who can affect theor profits be eliminated. Sad, shocking, but you dont see it
And if you don't belief in modern science, what do you belief in??? >>> it's in my postings, you will find it. I dont believe in drugs.
Modern medical science is not exact science. It is not as simple as black and white or 1,2,3 but unfortunately includes shades of grey. >>> I agree with you. BUT it is the grey area that they propose to the community DRUGS is the only solution, and claiming how people will die in such period of time. Come to think of it, dont you think they make themselves as God ?
And I just don't understand your example of H1N1 vaccination and vitamin C..... most laymen are aware about vitamin C and infection. What's your point? >>> sorry, the sentence might confuse you. What I meant is the we dont really know how far these vaccinations can protect us, however, injecting something foreign to our body isnt a good choice because we dont even know the ingredients used in those vaccines. Sometimes, they may contain mercury, lead or other dangerous things which we dont know, OR even certain types of "virus" that really has been created, we dont know. Vit C is a natural detoxifier, it can neutralize certain dangerous things that is not of benefit to our body. But the Vit C must be taken from natural resources, usually fruits and not chemicals ( yes, it can be easily bought from the pharmacy ) Herbs can also be beneficial to us as well....my point is anything that is from nature they are good for us.
no, I dont want to debate, because it's just no use at all. My friend, go to all the website I have posted and read them, and if you really are interested in vaccinations, HIV, you NEED to read the work of
Janine Roberts, in the book Fear Of The Invisible...the investigation she started in 1994, and YES, inside the book there are concrete evidence the person who introduces HIV as the cause of AIDS, might be a big mistake afterall....after 25 years and growing.
So, does that mean that there no means to confirm or refute modern science? You state yourself that "This whole mess is "introduced" by your modern medical science, it is them who needs to realize that they are wrong". In order to realize that something is wrong, there has to be "evidence" to show that it is wrong! Nobody would challenge something if it is proven wrong. Classic example, all humans previously thought that the sun revolves around our earth, only to be proved wrong later on that it was earth that revolves around the sun.
In conclusion, what I'm trying to say is that we have come a long way in terms of medical sciences. However, there are still a lot of research to be done before we can fully understand the human body. Scientist do not fully understand the human body and as such, do not have effective drugs to cure many diseases. Modern science has come to a stage where the MANIFESTATION of diseases can be treated but NOT the ROOT CAUSE of diseases. As time goes by, another medical breakthrough occurs, to progress medical science further and better. Who knows, it may take another 1000 years before humans can fully understand their own body. In the meantime, we can only make do with what we have, as we understand it.
P/s : Humans are not that gullible. Show clear reproducible evidence to proof something wrong and everybody will believe it.
This post has been edited by kmarc: Aug 9 2009, 07:48 PM 
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