QUOTE(hotjake @ Mar 21 2012, 11:30 AM)
Okay apart of my misunderstanding/ wrong idea/interpretation of the original foreveralone Guy, clear my misunderstanding of the idea of God's justice in the Bible as it is very mind-boggling

Justice is the quality of being fair, and a person who is just acts fairly and in accordance with what is right, do you not agree? however ideas about what is fair and right differ from time to time and from person to person. you guys believe strongly God is just, so by examining his actions we will be able to know God's concept of justice, correct?
God tells us that anybody who disobeys him will be punished "seven times over" (Lev 26:18), that is, one sin will be punished seven times. Seems fair? He also tells us that he will punish the innocent children, grandchildren, and even great-grandchildren of those who..... ahem
I the Lord am a jealous God, punishing the children for the sins of the fathers to the third or fourth generation of those who hate me (Deat 5:9).
this is known as collective punishment; punishing a whole family or group for the crime committed by one of its members. collective punishment is condemned today as unfair and unjust but God apparently considers it quite just. God tells us that even minor offences should be punished by death. For example, those who work on Sunday should be stoned to death. Once a man was found collecting firewood on Sunday and God said to Moses and the people who caught the man:
"The man must die. The whole assembly must stone him outside the camp." So the assembly took him outside the camp and stoned him to death as the Lord commanded Moses (Num 15:32-36).
God's idea of justice does not seem to embrace the idea that the punishment should fit the crime. we are told that all who do not love God will suffer eternal punishment in hell. There are many kind, honest and generous people who do not believe in God and they will all go to hell.
i have a lot of misunderstandings of the bible. God and christians

again no anger was involved in my reasoning/analysis
In the old testament God reveal his judgement and wrath through the law. If you prefer the old covenant then your salvation must come from the law.
The reason for the law is to reveal Sin. Because without the law we would not know what is really Sin. The Law here refers to the 10 commandments.
God knows that Man would eventually try to earn Salvation by works without being told. He is good enough to let us try it anyway because in the end we will come to understand it cannot be achieve. Why? Because self effort has no power to over come the power of sin and the Law is basically to deter people from sinning. The more you try the more you can't. Mind boggling isn't it?
We are mere mortals, what power do we have as humans to overcome something more powerful than us?
QUOTE
Romans 7:7-11
What shall we say, then? Is the law sin? Certainly not! Indeed I would not have known what sin was except through the law. For I would not have known what coveting really was if the law had not said, “Do not covet.”b But sin, seizing the opportunity afforded by the commandment, produced in me every kind of covetous desire. For apart from law, sin is dead. Once I was alive apart from law; but when the commandment came, sin sprang to life and I died. I found that the very commandment that was intended to bring life actually brought death. For sin, seizing the opportunity afforded by the commandment, deceived me, and through the commandment put me to death.
That is why there is a new covenant in the NT. Under the New Covenant, the law have been made void.
You don't have to do it anymore by your own effort. That is why it's our faith in Jesus Christ that will overcome Sin because Jesus is the only one who overcame it.
QUOTE
Romans 8:1-8
Therefore, there is now no condemnation for those who are in Christ Jesus,a because through Christ Jesus the law of the Spirit of life set me free from the law of sin and death. For what the law was powerless to do in that it was weakened by the sinful nature,God did by sending his own Son in the likeness of sinful man to be a sin offering. And so he condemned sin in sinful man, in order that the righteous requirements of the law might be fully met in us, who do not live according to the sinful nature but according to the Spirit.
Those who live according to the sinful nature have their minds set on what that nature desires; but those who live in accordance with the Spirit have their minds set on what the Spirit desires. The mind of sinful mane is death, but the mind controlled by the Spirit is life and peace; the sinful mind is hostile to God. It does not submit to God’s law, nor can it do so. Those controlled by the sinful nature cannot please God.
This post has been edited by unknown warrior: Mar 21 2012, 12:05 PM