Keep on growing Olga, I encourage you brother.

I can see you have sincere heart for God.

God Bless.

brother alvin, before I start my quoting & conversation here.. we're all in here chatting as a family, no hard feeling ok? if any words I quoted wrongly, please correct me.


I came to church empty as a sinner, imagine.. my life is very good, rich with all the material needs and I can full fill my own desire with $. I can buy all materialistic desire needs with $. Do u think I will go church and seek god? I don't think so. Meanings, giving up to go church or seek for god kingdoms does not relates to the word "empty" as we said...

With his grace, we are not superhuman. We walk with him together, we face the challenge together as a team. Its just too dark to walk alone out there. U said that u dislike what other christian told u that "everything in their life is ok not even wanting to bear any weaknesses at all, for fear of saying something would mean that they are empty.", but bear in mind.. u r walking the challenge with god and carrying other ppl cross. And yes, is not wrong to say out that u r facing this and wana do it right, in fact u had done the right things


Please look properly on this quote here u had write, "U r counting on church mates to help u, when they failed to help u with ur desire needs.. u had blame them". what i trying to tell was here, when anything u failed to archive after u "ask/pray" to god, u don't give up and don't blame other.. having faith to it and continue to make your search and face the challenge together with god. Hold god tight and don't let go.

And again, my english is not good and I hope u don't mind I sharing this to u also. I don't know why I feel so much on u, I had the same feeling that u having last time.. I can't say its the same feeling I had been thru it, but when I read all ur conversation... I feels it. Thats why with my broken english I die die say share this out

agreed

This post has been edited by skydrake: Nov 20 2012, 11:22 AM

morning brother olga
u just defended your arrogant attitude by comparing your faith and denied the words u put out was not true

Arrogant and confident are 2 different thing.

Glad tidings Petaling jaya welcomes you.

brother olga, u might not agreed with this.

confidence is from inside, other can see this from your face and the act u have done.
arrogant is from outside, its an attitude that act out purposely or verbally.


these words does not comes out verbally if a person confidence level high.

brother olga, I does not means to offence u. If I really did, I'm sorry
If what I said above was wrong, I will admit and I will correct it.

add-on: dear all brothers fellowers in here, I really happy that we all able to chat here. I'm truly appreciated all the sharing in here also.

as your sharing includes your signature which makes most of us hungry now..

Aiyo it's okay lah guise.

We all learn and strive to improve from our mistakes.

Just be careful to put confidence in the Lord rather than self confidence.

because self confidence was what happened to Peter that caused him to deny Jesus 3 times.

Anyway we are just human trying to be like Jesus.

With holy spirit only the Pondan disciple became brave.

u reminds me, i m hungry too

thats why i wants to point it out.. hope next time when my turn to make mistake, i wants to all to point my mistakes too
without mistakes I makes, I will never grow up.. I don't wants to be babies

Agreed

hahaha

God honours this type of attitude.

no self-confidence but God-confidence.

As long you're always to open to learn and admit mistakes, God can fill you up fast.

The Problem of Spiritual Knowledge without Experience

All spiritual experiences begin with a certain amount of knowledge, but once we have the knowledge of spiritual experiences, it is easy to consider that we have the experiences themselves. This is especially true for young believers. To have knowledge is one thing, but to have the experiences of life is another. If we hear a person testify with spiritual knowledge, we may think that he has the experiences of the Christian life, the church life, and the Spirit. In the first stage of the Christian life, however, what we mainly have is knowledge. Our knowledge needs to be tested by failures, trials, temptations, and many troubles. The more knowledge the Lord affords us, the more He will put us on the test.

In just one year, a believer can gain much spiritual knowledge. Then he may think that he has everything. He may believe himself to be the most wonderful, advanced, and spiritual believer. What he has, however, may be ninety-five percent knowledge in his intelligence, not experience. According to knowledge, he may seem to have been in the Lord for many years, but in actuality he has little real experience. When the Lord puts such a one on the test, he finds that what he has is nearly all knowledge.

There are many different ways the Lord puts us on the test. One is that at a certain point He withholds His hand from us and lets us fail. After we are saved, the Lord’s hand sustains us, but at a certain point He will withdraw His hand. He will leave us to ourselves, and we will be sure to have a failure. That seems terrible, but in actuality it is not. The Lord is very wise. In this way we see that what we thought we had was not real.

Another way the Lord puts us on the test is to give us trials. The number of ways that the Lord has to give us trials is inexhaustible, including physical matters, family matters, and many others. Moreover, trials often do not come by themselves; one trial follows another. The Lord gives us many trials to test us. Then we are in the “fire” to be “burned,” and in this burning we come to know how much of what we have is merely knowledge in our mentality, and how much is real experience. Then we discover that we have little real experience, perhaps only five percent or even one percent of what we thought we had. Little by little we find that the greater part of what we have is merely knowledge in our mind.

We should be advised and warned to be in fear and trembling and to have no trust in ourselves. If we have any trust in ourselves, it is easy to be tempted. This temptation is another kind of test. Temptation comes to us when we have some trust in ourselves. Because our heart is deceitful, the trust we have in ourselves is often in secret. Sometimes we do not even admit it to ourselves. The only way for the Lord to prove that we have a secret trust in ourselves is to allow temptation to test us. When we are tempted, we realize that we have self-trust and self-confidence. These temptations prove to us that we are not competent, that we are not good enough to trust ourselves, and that we are not good enough to meet the situations. Whenever this kind of temptation comes, we always fail. Even if we try our best, we simply cannot make it because the Lord’s hand is withheld from us in order to allow us to meet the situation alone and prove that we are not competent for anything.

By all these tests we will realize how little we have and that what we mostly have is knowledge in the mind. Then something real will come out of this burning, and we will begin another stage. We will be equipped and further nourished with spiritual knowledge. We will know things in a deeper, fuller way. Then even though we have learned the lesson of the first stage that knowledge is not real experience, we will once again consider that we have much and have become rich. We will once again enter into a dream that we are spiritual and have acquired much. Then in the same principle, the Lord will put us on the test again. This is the process of the Christian experience.

The process of Christian experience can be compared to a potter with his clay. First, the potter paints a design on the clay, making it look beautiful. After being painted, however, the clay must be put into the fire to be burned. The Lord as the Potter always paints us first and then puts us through the fire to be burned. Day after day He operates according to the same principle in order to work something of Himself into us, first by spiritual knowledge and revelation and second by testing. This is the reason that many of the Lord’s children, after hearing a message and gaining some knowledge and revelation, are put into testing. The more we are clear about this process, the more we will be saved from troubles. This will humble us.

Well something has to be done.

I've seen christians like you say the same thing. That is if you are still single of course.

Then 30 years old still single, 40 years old still single, 50 years old still single...

Then the pastor who preach this, wah..he get married and have two or three kids. Apa ini? Not walking the talk man. But if come from Apostle Paul, respect lah, after all, Paul walk the talk. Remain celebate, never take a cent from the church, earn his own money tentmaking.

I am not as careless as you think I am. I've gone out with a number of non-christians but have decided to call it off due to very MATERIAL differences in religion. I am looking for somebody who have that open heart to accept the gospel. Who knows? The unbeliever may accept christ as her saviour. I am not looking for a super holy girl though. Somebody submissive and nice. Also chemistry is important.

I not lacking faith, I am just doing what god has given the skills, time and effort I have to, to do what I have petittion and prayed for. I am not going to sit there and do nothing about it.

I have gone to young adult and youth services. Many times try to make friends with christian ladies. However, nobody seem interested and remain aloof. Ask out also, say not interested. So what alternative I have?

I go to match.com and find loh...

So this means Devil make me anxious? huh?

Aiyah resists and he will flee. Put on the armor of god loh. Breastplate of righteousness, helmet of salvation, belt of ???? forgot lah.

yup, the end result is complete trust and reliance on God.

that's is the rest, the Holy Spirit talks about in Hebrews 4:1.

It took awhile for me to wrestle away from the trust of man to be pinned to God.

was a painful journey.

lol. Even though The apostle Paul chose to be a celibate, he wasn't exempted from life temptations like all of us. He has desires that burns like you and I have, brother. But He chose to completely Trust God, that is the difference. It gave him contentment and peace.

Having Faith is not only about acting on things.

It is also coming to a place of rest and not worry about your problem.

But you said you cannot rest and you're not going to sit there and you must do something about it.

Somehow you're being very obvious about this restlessness.

Well I've said it and I say it again.

Until you come to a place of submission and trusting God to the point of not needing this desire, you may probably not get what you want.

I'm not trying to discourage you but trying to help you get your prayers answered.

Anyone here attending Enoch Lam preaching on 12/12/12 at PRGM? I forgot what is the the exact time and venue inside PGRM.. if not mistaken it was 8pm.

I had attending his Enoch Lam preaching a lot of time in this year from "Yeah Show, How Taoist vs Christian describe ghost? and some preaching, because his HongKong Cantonese language makes me easier to understand and it makes great helps to me.

If anyone of u attending this 12/12/12 at PGRM?, I will make this opportunity to see you guys in person a step closer as a friends. Let me know...

This post has been edited by skydrake: Nov 21 2012, 12:41 AM

Morning Guise,


Romans 10:4
Christ is the end of the law so that there may be righteousness for everyone who believes.


Christ is indeed the end of the Old Covenant.

Start looking towards Christ instead of relying on your own confidence in obedience. Because relying on your self confidence in obedience is under the Old Covenant. The Old Covenant is obsolete.

The Law makes you focus on yourself. Your lack of performance or the abundance of it. Either way, both are not accepted before God to be boast about. (Romans 3:27, Ephesians 2:9)

Grace makes you focus on Jesus. The Bible says we are transformed by Beholding Jesus, into the same image.

Believe that you are Righteous by your Faith, not by your works.

This is key. Obedience is the fruit not the root under the New Covenant.

Obedience will come when you know you are righteous by Faith.

The Holy Spirit will nudge you and remind you to obedience once you understand
you are justified by Faith.