Could be. Either the brother is newly converted or already converted long ago but the point remains that both of them were unbelievers before one of them come to know the Lord.

Nah no worried, we are all here to share in fellowship as the body of Christ. You are still my brother in Christ, irregardless.

Yeah, the gospel is for everyone. But here, it is referring to a brother in the church. To note that, Paul does not simply deal with a certain sin; he deals with the person who lives in that kind of sin. There is an important distinction here. For example, to commit fornication is different from being a fornicator, one who lives in that sin and remains in it. A fornicator is not merely one who commits fornication as David did in the Old Testament; he is a person who lives in that sin. That sin becomes his living. Thus, such a person becomes a fornicator. In this chapter Paul is dealing with the person, not merely with the sin. This means that he is not simply removing sin from the church; he is judging and removing a sinful person. Suppose, due to weakness, a brother commits a particular sin. We should help him to repent, to forsake that sin, and to return to the Lord. If he is willing to do this and if he brings forth the fruit of repentance, the church will certainly forgive him. However, if he remains in that particular sin and becomes a kind of person who lives in it, he must be removed from the fellowship of the church. Otherwise, the entire church will be leavened.

But good news ... that brother was recovered in 2 Cor

This post has been edited by pehkay: Apr 6 2012, 01:31 PM

If you think about, naturally anyone who are deeply ingrained in sin would avoid God.

It's a natural reaction.

The bible did mentioned that our minds automatically become hostile to God in Romans 8:7.

If that's the case I don't see why that person would still want to come to church unless perhaps he's looking for an answer.

Really from my experience I know people wouldn't really want to come to church because things like this really convicts him/her.

If He/She is looking for a way out, we should help as brothers and sisters.

I believe Paul really meant expel in the sense not to associate that's all he didn't say explicitly to remove the person or to refuse the person into coming to Church.

No Prob, Happy Easter Bro.

dun understand

Unfortunately, he did.

Your description above illustrate a person who commits sins and is convicted (there is hope) .... Yes, we should help that brother. But the one portrayed above is so blatant that even Paul himself knew .... probably the whole church and even unbelievers knew of it ... a living. But, the divine revelation revealed here is not centered on how to deal with the brother but to see the intrinsic root cause and Paul's pattern of his exercise of his spirit instead of his soul.

The root cause negatively (not positively, since Christ is the solution) of the source of such problems in the church in Corinth is that Paul dealt firstly with the first problem, the matter of division, which is mainly related to the natural life of the soul. The second problem, dealt with in chapter five, the second section of the book, is the sin of fornication, which is related to the lust of the flesh.

Once a church is diverted from the central vision of God’s economy and gets into the soul, the door will be open for the lust of the flesh to come in. This will open the way not only for jealousy and strife, but even for gross sins. Therefore, it is extremely dangerous for us to remain in the soul. In this Epistle Paul first deals with the soul and then with the lusts of the flesh. The dealing with the soul is primarily a dealing with division. The first four chapters of this book deal with the problem of division, which comes from the soul. Division is a soulish matter, mainly a matter of the mind. It is the result of opinion, and opinion issues from the mind. This is clearly indicated in the first four chapters. From reading these chapters we see that there were divisions among the Corinthians because they were very much in the natural mind. They turned from the spirit and exercised the soul. They departed from the central vision, and this opened the gate for the lust of the flesh to come in.

Here, we all must learn to deny the soul and renounce it and to live in the spirit. We should remain in our spirit and exercise our spirit in every situation. This will close the door to the lust of the flesh.

Paul pattern is er ... "so ken!!"

In verse 3 Paul says that although he was absent in the body, he was present in the spirit. The apostle, as a spiritual person, behaved in his spirit, in contrast to the Corinthians, who behaved either in the soul or in the flesh. Although Paul was absent from them in the body, he was still present with them in the spirit and exercised his spirit to judge the evil person among them. In verse 4 Paul even says that his spirit was assembled with them. The apostle’s spirit was so strong that it attended the Corinthian believers’ meeting. His spirit was assembled with them to carry out his judgment upon the evil person. Paul dealt with the church not only by writing and by sending Timothy to them but also by exercising his spirit. This proves that he was a person who lived in the spirit. It also reveals how strong his spirit was. Paul’s spirit was so strong that it could even attend a church meeting far away.

This post has been edited by pehkay: Apr 6 2012, 02:09 PM

whats de difference between protestant, orthodox, catholic, non trinitarian and restorationism?

can they be friends and enter to each other church to pray?

nope is totally different. Its like asking if muslim can go curch pray haha

Yes I understand but the point is this.

If that said Sinner is cast out or evicted from ever coming to Church again, his/her only point of contact is the world. And constant fellowship with the world only worsen the state of his/her sin because that is basically what the world is about. The people of the world is not going to tell him to repent. That is for sure.

We are all sinners before we come to Christ. This is the thing that a lot of people forget after conversion to Christ. If it wasn't by the grace of God, we will still be lost in sin. If God gracious to us, we should in turn be gracious to people who have back-slided or lack the understanding why it's wrong to continue sinning even after conversion.

Different people mature at their own pace.

It doesn't mean when one faith is weak, we should disassociate ourselves totally from him because by then he would have no one to teach him or learn.

That is why I don't think Paul is talking about physical evicting, because by doing that it's is not going to help him at all.

You must understand one thing. Jesus came to save the sinners. Not the righteous. The church is a sanctuary not only for believers but for all who seek God.

People who continue to sin after conversion lacks understanding. They can only be admonished by the word of God. By evicting them totally, I don't see how He/She can come around.

Even if we pray for him, God still uses people to reach to people. The Church is the people.

where you stay? why not just go to a church nearby?

church is everywhr in malaysia..

i prefer ppl bring me to their church..then can intro ppl there to me..

went alone nobody wil choi u..den u nt familiar thr.. gt ppl inside u know wil b beter..

Y i pray for so long to let me strike lottery God never let me kena hu hu hu

small prize i oso dun mind

I guess I was trying to veer from this point that it is not a matter of how to deal with this brother, in which, I did predicted you will bring it up . Nobody was saying that we don't talk to that person. Only by the principle of Matthew, we just have to treat him as if he is an unbeliever, that's all, from the fellowship of the church. As much, that brother, in eternity, is already saved and is our brother in God's life and nature. And yes, we are all saved sinners. But it is more for the testimony of the golden lampstand.

After all, he was recovered in 2 Corinthians ... so some believers stayed in contact with him and recovered Him. He probably "woke up" after being excommunicated ... who's knows ... you cannot say that God has used this way.

Why do I get the feeling that your sentences on the church .. as if it is a physical building

Anyway, these are not central thing/focus ... we are too distracted by these outward things ....

This post has been edited by pehkay: Apr 6 2012, 03:35 PM

Bro, Gods ppl are never rich..Lottery is betting or gambling which he forbides.
For when u are rich, u will use your money to do sin.

He will just give u what is enough...

LET me tell u:

More = greedy

Do u agree with me?

This post has been edited by armadasaxon: Apr 6 2012, 03:34 PM

U sure boh?

I went so many church, when im alone, the pastor sure notice there got a new lonely guy .. He will call me out and intro leh..

I nvr go to big church, as the bigger u r, u will lose the the closeness.

Small = ez to control and do gathering and talk to each other
Big = too many things to do,where got time to notice small thing .

wat u mean greedy? Im not greedy cos never strike lottery b4. I just want pray him let me strike lottery and b religiously buy the ticket every week. But he seem never care my needs

Wow ... you went to many different church meetings? Is it a norm nowadays?

strike lottery for yurself rite?..GOD prefer u strike lottery go help ppl..LOL..no hard feelings ya.

I used to switch church..But many of them i went to,either has fighting,or pastor corrupting the money and so..
At the end i fed up with the church.

I will HELP PPL!!! Even no strike lottery i also help ppl!! Just i want to strike lottery but God never answer my pray sometimes i dunno if he got listen or not

Church mmg corrupt 1 la.. Paster is like politician will clever talk in fron tof everyone. More worse is they use god name to talk the rubbish all