This is what i think, so if it somehow offense anyone, i am sorry.

I stay in Malaysia for quite awhile, well from Sarawak to be exact. The reason i think that Singapore won't be a good place for kids is that they will be affected by peer influence, as i work here for 1 year, i notice most of the kids here being pampered by technologies. Even a young kid at the age bout 12 already having iphone 4. For this, i think this is a bad influence.

Also, staying in HDB where you all know that majority of the people here busy on working and have less time for their kid. And due to commitment in work, i notice my house owner don't know much bout their neighbor. So, your kid will ended up most likely in the flat doing nothing, or somehow they will know some kids from the block where their parent don't even care less. This is what i know from where i stay and what i observe. The truth is that Singaporeans are really bad at taking care of their children (no offense for those Singaporean that reading this).

And, Singapore here have too much disease. You call label me as "kia si" but during MRT ride, i notice a lots of people having serious skin disease and the cancer rate in Singapore are quite high. The pollution started as early at 5a.m. Smokers are everywhere at Jurong East (other places also having smokers). Even newspaper had statistics showing that the smokers in Singapore are increasing. Sarawak still having a better air than Singapore.

Lastly, i don't want to grow old in Singapore because once you reach certain age, you won't be able to do anything except watching TV inside the flat and sleep and eat. I rather buy a house in Malaysia where i got a piece of land where i can plant something. Well, at least i have something to do rather than in Singapore.

Didnt the government introduce measures to stop people like yourself from buying hdb as an investment tool rather then a home.

For kids, the majority of those who grow up in singapore tend to have certain mentality since their used to having luxuries which children in other countries dream off. Maybe thats why whenever you fly in SIA, you'll most probably hear a Singaporean throw a tantrum about not getting his/her way and giving excuses like PPS like that video some time ago titled the ugly singaporean.

This post has been edited by crapp0: Jan 19 2011, 08:24 AM

I ve seen same problem exist everywhere, include here in Malaysia.

It's both the kids and the parents problem, not the country.
Kids doesn't know how to differentiate needs and wants, and the one who paid for it is the parents.

what i intended to do is get a PR in Singapore and married. Then i will opt for a flat and maybe have the most 1 kid here, and at the age of bout 5 i will think to migrate to Aus. Well, that is my personal planning.

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Added on January 19, 2011, 8:41 amTat is why i mention, for KL "yes", for Singapore "yes".

But for Sarawak, it is a whole diff story.

This post has been edited by rickysim84: Jan 19 2011, 08:41 AM

I'm not really sure if Singapore is a good place for Malaysian kids, but I think there is of course pro and cons..
If speaking of technologies I think it will certainly catch up on our country. In my state selangor its not weird to see school children getting expensive phones and ipods.. thought i haven't seen any ipads yet ... sooner or later sarawak will be the same as parents are so worried about their kids security hence they get them those phones.

I do think the kids here if they really went thru the education system they could be very well accepted globally. Maybe their hunger for success is not high enough. Recently they announce their exam results and it turned out to about 40% of them scoring excellent scores are foreigners especially the top one is from Malaysia. Well, enough said on Malaysian system where the best kids don't get the best opportunities in MY.. But in SG they do value those super bright students. My classmate from secondary school studied in Medicine in Singapore almost entirely free of charge.. of course with bond.

Kuching is a whole different story, had a friend there that lives a far more luxury tech lifestyle compared to me.

Anyway my point is, it's how the person raised and how much he/she relied on it, is like kids staring at other kids who own something cool and they want one for themselves or humans that can't live without cars, cellphone, internet and etc.

Singapore has nothing to do with it.

No body heard about StuartWright ?

They have chicks on oil rigs.

yes, u have friend which lives far more luxury lifestyle, but compare to Singapore, i see 10 kids at least 2 having at least psp, iphone, ipad, etc, but in Sarawak, 10 kids, i can hardly spotted one.

In a country which their technology keep improving, comparing to a country which developing in slow pace, so which kid will get influence more? I notice the kid in Singapore rebel towards their parent more than wat i see in Malaysia.

This post has been edited by rickysim84: Jan 19 2011, 09:35 AM

Thanks for the reply. How's the working culture in StuartWright?

Singapores tech doesnt really improve, its just their wallets which then allows them the luxury to guy goods not easily accessible to the masses at other countries.

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Added on January 19, 2011, 10:04 amI have no clue, i've only seen them on the oil rigs since its usually a "sausage fest". So its refreshing when you see a girl onboard.

This post has been edited by crapp0: Jan 19 2011, 10:04 AM

yeah, tat is one of the major point also, due to currency.

Not just currency but economic situation as well.

I agree. It's not a problem particular to Singapore as opposed to other countries.

It's a trend associated with Asian culture + higher std of living (ie. higher disposable incomes) + smaller & smaller families with fewer & fewer kids. What you see in Singapore is not so different from what's happening in Taiwan, HK, Japan or Korea. In fact, China's kids are among the most spoilt on earth. They are not nicknamed "little emperors" for nothing.

there is a quota of how many EP can a company apply base on the number of SG/PR employee they have and the ratio is different for special company such as maid agency or construction. So if others being equal, the comany can only employ PR or SG once it hit the quota.

If you are EP holder who rent a room in SG and intend to do that for a long period (say 10, 20 years) then it will be good to apply PR and pay CPF. Yes EP can take back more salary per month but what about the rental you??


I use the CPF to pay for my HDB or you can see it as "committed rental" and I can only buy a HDB if I am PR or Singporean. So I get to "keep" the room rental as it is now a form of investment. I prefer EP if I am stay in JB work in SG.

Totally agree with you. Besides, over pampered, the kids are also over obedient (or i should say kia si)........ There was once when I was crossing a very small road (using the pedestrain crossing with traffic lights) in the neighbourhood area, and there was this (10+year) kid with his mom behind me, the moment I crossed, the trafiic light turn red. The mom and I was at the opposite and this kid awas still at the other side of the road........................(the intersting part)that moment the road was very very quite and totally no car, so the mom shouted to the kid asking him to ignore the traffic lights, but he juz stood there, and shout back to his mom "nono, red light", and he would cross the road even the mom walk back and try to drag him over.


And beside that, my experience with singaporean (not all, but lots of them), they always thought that Malaysia = Johor, and ohor bahru is the most developed place. My ex college went to KL without bringing camera, cuz she thought there is nothing interesting, and the other one even thought KL area have Padi field and "jungle". Wondering whats is the use of internet.

This post has been edited by limfgn: Jan 19 2011, 12:24 PM

why? coz if u are on EP, you can't buy HDB in Singapore and got no CPF. I am still in dilemma whether or not to apply for PR since i stay in JB. I really wanted to buy a HDB flat since its a sure win investment, but I am not married and not attached. So it will take another 11 years before i can apply to buy for a HDB flat.

Plan A is if i get my PR now, i can start saving on CPF and got more money for down payment later when i reach 35 years old.

Plan B is i buy a Studio apartment in JB now (around 100k) and pay for my own house and wait till i reach 35 years old, then apply PR and sell off the studio and buy a HDB with the money i get from the studio apartment.

Plan C is to apply PR, then use this 10 years time to get my self a degree in Singapore, and plan those property things later after i get my degree (I am only on STPM and i asked b4, if i want a degree, i need to study diploma + advance diploma then degree).

So you guys think, which is better har? btw i am very satisfied with my current life earning small SGD salary but using RM daily in JB and i find the traffic is really not as bad as most people say. KL traffic is far worst than the causeway.

Dude just apply for PR and get it first. As you said u could use the PR status to get cheaper education and to start saving on CPF. I was in the same situation with u and i went ahead and got my PR last year. As i do not qualify for any HDB at the moment my only way to get a place in SG is thru private. Of course its insane to buy a place now which is about 1 mil for a 3 bedroom Condo ?!? Anyway i also got this studio apartment in JB town for about 130kk++ still building. I think its a good measure while waiting for the market property to cool down and to build up on ur CPF .

even i m not PR, my current company pay me the employer contribution in cash.

can anyone convince me why should i be the singaporean PR? I wanna listen to more opinions before i decide.tq

mind to share ?

i do knw some company who hire a lot of foreigner , do have a system to cash back the cpf for employee.