You see, that's the actual problem When people talk about IPS, they are referring to high end IPS panels and here you are comparing everything against the E-IPS only (which is crap). Again, there are reviews all over the Internet and the E-IPS is no where near the proper IPS panels that most professionals are using. It's just a cut down cost panel by LG and part of marketing so that people will buy these LCD's thinking it's IPS so it should work great when the answer is "not so great".

http://www.pcmonitors.org/monitor-reviews/...trasharp-u2211h

If you compare a proper premium IPS panel VS a premium TN panel, I don't think your theory applies. It isn't a relatively and proper comparison at all because it's just like comparing a BMW 1 series with a Honda Accord Just because it's the cheapest model of an expensive product, you can now say BMW is just as cheap as a Honda.

Are there any monitors that have high pixel density, 300PPI or higher? I mean for 19" and above monitors. I spend most of my day viewing text so I think high pixel density makes alot more sense compared to large screen.

@clawhammer

Your league is very much different here. People here usually compare products with similar price point, say around RM700. Then, TN and eIPS come into play as these fall into the budget. Hence, the eIPS is not crap anymore if the price point is right. In fact, you pay for what you get still applies, for a cut down IPS monitor but I still see it better than similar priced TN out there and it should do just fine.

i wonder if any1 have ever exp d same symptom as mine here...

my 2nd display, samsung 19" 932B plus is taking few minutes of 'warming up' b4 it turns on, happens everytime on fresh start

is it a sign of defect?

Well,imo price talks.At the same price range an E-IPS panel display is better than a premium/midrange TN panel with it's better colour reproduction and viewing angles but loses out on response time .
If an E-IPS panel display is crap,by the same logic nearly all TN panel LCD are crappier.


300PPI ?IINM no such computer display exists as the most dense display is a 27" 2560x1440 LCD which has a PPI of 108.79.

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Added on December 16, 2010, 12:51 amDoes the same happen when using that display alone?

This post has been edited by Racerx: Dec 16 2010, 12:51 AM

haven't tried it yet tho...

another sign from d lcd is tat it's power button's light blinks twice in a second before turning on

If you're comparing price range then yes, you are right but at the same, it's not an accurate comparison. Like I said, a BMW 1 series is the same price tag as a Honda Accord but they are not in the same segment


E-IPS is just like any other TN but maybe with some advantages in certain areas. The point is, you do not know how to differentiate what panels are suited for what applications but continously saying IPS is the best which is wrong. It also proves that marketing strategy from LG is working extremely well because it manages to trick people like you into believing E-IPS is another IPS panel when in actual fact it is a total strip down version that it is only carrying the name "IPS" but acts more or less like a TN panel You should really view a proper IPS panel, E-IPS and TN side by side before you conclude.

This post has been edited by clawhammer: Dec 16 2010, 01:33 AM

I don't see how you can call E-IPS as more or less TN when the crystal molecules move parallel to the panel plane instead of perpendicular to it like TN.It's cheaper because it has a wider aperture than previous iterations of IPS.This increases light transmission thus enabling the use of cheaper,lower powered backlight.E-IPS LCDs are also cheaper since it doesn't have an ATW Polarizer so off axis you'll see IPS glow compared to the current gen top end H-IPS and S-IPS displays.

For the car analogy,imo that is not even close to accurate.Comparing a JDM Civic Type R versus a Golf GTi would be better since both cost around the same yet the Type R would be faster on corners compared to the GTi.On the other hand the GTi have a better ride quality and it's NVH is also lower.If you compare their top speed they would be about the same.
The Golf GTi would be the E-IPS displays like the U2311H while the Type R will be the premium TN panels like the Samsung BX2350.

About the marketing hype,i haven't seen any of it.Heck,Dell doesn't even declare that their monitors use E-IPS.I found out after digging through websites since IPS displays under RM1k aren't heard of before and i thought it's weird.

One more thing,fyi i've seen E-IPS vs H-IPS vs TN side by side head on before,colours simply look better on the IPSs compared to the TN.About viewing angles,if viewed within x and y axes both are equally good,off axes then the E-IPS will exhibit glowing.For TN,well the colours are completely inverted if viewed from below [around 45 degrees or so for most ].

I stand corrected with my opinion that E-IPS is better at most usage scenarios with it's better colours,better viewing angles relative to TN panels,fast enough response times for most people.
Since you said before that people who care about the differences in colour are colour freaks and doesn't represent the majority,the same can be said about people who care about the fastest response times too.
Not all people have fast reflexes and eyes good enough to see if it's ghosting or not which is the same case for colours as well.

BTW,i didn't say IPS is THE BEST of all,not once.I knew that H-IPS displays,while having superb colour reproduction exhibits noticeable input lag and ghosting.I also know there's the crowd which can see the ghosting with 5MS displays and swear by TNs with 2MS response times [benchmarked response times not manufacturer claims],these are demanding gamers which are not the majority like the demanding users who want the most accurate colours possible who you called colour freaks.
The E-IPS on the other hand strikes a fine balance between typical TN and IPS,it's neither the fastest nor the best colour reproducer.

This post has been edited by Racerx: Dec 16 2010, 03:08 AM

I have bought the U2311H to replace my Samsung 2233SW.

In summary:
U2311H have better black shades, better viewing angle
2233SW color shift in different angles (common for TN panels)

Viewing both LCD side by side, I don't feel any difference in the color. Looks almost the same for me. Average user might not be able to see it. As an average user myself did not see any improvement in terms of colour reproduction.

You are right because E-IPS is a totally strip down version of those IPS used by professionals. LG place the name "IPS" for marketing purposes so people will generally think they are buying an IPS panel LCD when in fact this E-IPS is more or less the same as a normal TN panel. A proper IPS would look a lot better, imagine putting a 27" Samsung P2770H side by side with Apple Cinema Display Now that's IPS!

What i care now is their making replacement quite slow. They should able to intro LED backlight + IPS panel in time since LED backlight technology run into stable stage. Dominating case again? BTW BenQ VA panel monitor reach M'sia yet?

If they can make something with H-IPS/S-IPS with LED just like cinema display and it's within my budget, I'd be the first one to buy

if and only if steve job thinking to close down his store xD ! anyway if i hav the money i will go for cinema display FOR SURE =D

Apple huh... how much is it for the Cinema Display 27"?
And... is the panel glossy or is it just a demo picture?
http://www.apple.com/displays/
If it's glossy, it would be sucks to have it on IPS.

guys...which 1 nice eh??

LG E2350T 23" LED or LG E2340V 23" LED?

E-IPS is a stripped down version of high end IPSs from today,but compare that to any others below RM1k and it's obvious which is better colours and viewing angles wise.How can you say E-IPS is more or less TN when it's totally different and it is in fact a 8bit IPS panel?Of course the S-IPS panel in the ACD is better,but it friggin costs 5 times more.........and it's not even a professional display.For professional ones look at the EIZOs and NECs.The E-IPS should be comparable to 8bit IPS displays of yesteryear while today's higher end IPS are 10bit.Heck,it's static contrast ratio is better than IPSs of yesteryear.
I can't see the problem if it can't match higher end IPSs when it costs as much as a normal TN panel display anyway.

Can't find the EW2420 in priceslists anywhere,but reviews show that it has top notch contrast ratio,but it's rather slow input lag wise and response time wise.It also has gamma shift,though not as bad as VAs of yesteryear.

It's glossy,so much so you can use it as a mirror if you turn off the display.But because it's glossy the colours have that extra pop.The price is around RM3.5K IINM.The U2711 is the same thing except that it uses CCFL [Wider colour gamut vs WLEDs like the one in ACD 27"] and has tonnes more ports
They are pretty much the same except that the E2350T doesn't have HDMI.If you want a fast TN you can't go wrong with either one.

That's why marketing departments will always have good people to trick buyers like you into thinking E-IPS is a wonderful LCD just like any other IPS panels

i go print at shop with have all ppl doing photoshop,illustrator etc all adobe..then they use LG E2350T..nice view i see..

dunno how DELL U2311H look in real eyes

I didn't say it's as good as S-IPS/H-IPS panels of today,but it costs as much as a TN panel only.Can't you get it?
It offers the same colour reproduction capability and viewing angles of IPS in 2006 +- while costing as much as TNs of today which still are 6bit panels.I reiterate,it's friggin sub RM700.

And what sort of failed marketing are they doing when the consumer have to dig through tonnes of website to find out that the panel they're using?That's counter effective.
Want effective marketing?Look at Apple.

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Added on December 17, 2010, 2:34 amShops i went use the U2410,and that's for viewing photos for printing only and they are shops in Kota Bharu

This post has been edited by Racerx: Dec 17 2010, 02:34 AM

All these while you can only compare E-IPS and that's the most you are talking about Nothing else and you've forgotten that the actual IPS panels are H-IPS and S-IPS. E-IPS is just a piece of stripped down version and literally suits people like you that wants to own IPS panels at cheap prices and be a fanboy out of it. I've own so many LCD's, TN is superb in terms of gaming but like I've said, you can't differentiate the actual needs as to which LCD suits what purposes but keep on commending E-IPS, E-IPS and E-IPS.

Marketing on the other hand is to easily convince people like you thinking RM700 would get you an IPS. Look how easy it is for LG? LOL! Yes, you're an IPS owner for RM700 but an IPS which is just like TN or wait, maybe the color on the gal with the bikini in the movies looks like a real "blue" instead of a fake "blue" from a TN panel. Seriously, it doesn't make sense at all, lol. Lastly, E-IPS is no where near S-IPS or H-IPS. If I have RM700 to spend, I rather buy a bigger TN panel which works just as great for my games. For color freaks and IPS fan boys like you, I'm sure you would even buy if there is ever a F-IPS (fake IPS) panel as long as it's IPS and it's CHEAP

Edit:
If you still don't know what you're talking about, read this: http://www.pchardwarehelp.com/guides/lcd-panel-types.php
When people talk about IPS panels, they are referring to proper S-IPS or H-IPS and all those facts I've stated earlier applies. IPS panels consumes more power than TN panels but oh wait, yes E-IPS is the exception. There you go, E-IPS is the best - just to keep you happy and the only IPS ever in your mind

This post has been edited by clawhammer: Dec 17 2010, 03:42 AM